Without the Counterballancing Forces of Certain Darker Aspects of Male Nature, The Equally Immoral Parts of Female Nature Run Unchecked - A practical justification for sexually deviant behavior, domin

notnotnotfred · 2014-04-04T03:06:45+00:00

It is because of this that I with a straight face maintain that things like rape, domination, and the threat of physical violence are morally justifiable, and served a very real purpose in mitigating the effects of the darker parts of female human nature.

no. nuke this post from orbit.

rapiertwit · 2014-04-04T10:05:40+00:00

Chicken and egg. You could just as well argue that male domination through force happened first, and females adapted by becoming more adept at deception and manipulation.

This feels like an attempt to place some sort of Original Sin (Gender Wars Variant) at the doorstep of womankind. It's basically Patriarchy Theory in reverse - paint an unrealistically negative picture of one sex and blame all of history's problems on that half of humanity. Except instead of portraying the "good sex" as the hapless victims, you've painted men as the heroic saviors of humanity from the big bad predatory pussy. Nope, not buying it, and frankly this is exactly the kind of fodder that those who want to discredit this movement as a bunch of misogynists will make use of.

rightsbot · 2014-04-04T02:56:17+00:00

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AlphaWookie · 2014-04-04T03:02:25+00:00

utter quakery OP.

ThePendulumSwingeth · 2014-04-04T05:21:36+00:00

I think this is an important post.

It's a naive poster who is trying to speak some truths that we don't quite wanna hear.

The thing is, we're all trying to figure out the same thing: why we can't any more, like the birds, just mate and make eggs and so on.

Let's talk about this.

ThePendulumSwingeth · 2014-04-04T04:10:32+00:00

Fascinating. I've always thought there is some mystery as to what is really going on and I can understand the why of this posting. If only we could get a perspective, a handle on it all. BUT: "That deviant sexual strategy is immoral because the woman who it affects doesn't want it to happen, doesn't like it, it's in opposition to her fitness and optimal reproductive strategy, and it hurts."

The deviant strategy I guess is rape. That part's disgusting.

ThePendulumSwingeth · 2014-04-04T05:01:06+00:00

"...I with a straight face maintain that things like rape, domination, and the threat of physical violence are morally justifiable..."

See, the reason I pay attention to this is because this shit does go down. I would like to know why. I have never gotten an understandable response. I take this post as introducing the idea that it's evolutionary. I could care less about the "morally justifiable" argument, but I think there is more than that going on here. This response, while it's horrendous in some ways, is trying to explain an important situation between men and women.

mirazatha · 2014-04-04T05:01:18+00:00

it seems kind of similar to the yin/yang kind of theory

iethatis · 2014-04-04T05:41:39+00:00

That sounds a bit crankish, but there is a kernel of a good idea in there. I think it's clear that there is some sort of equilibrium that has been disrupted by imposing constraints only on men's behavior, and removing them on women's. This creates a huge opportunity for exploitation which disadvantages men more often than not. There is no force in contemporary culture that teaches girls to act with personal responsibility, fairness, and morality, and the misdeeds of women are often hidden and suppressed. Gossip, neglect, subterfuge, poisoning, social exclusion, (etc etc) are primarily the domain of woman, and society as a whole would benefit from shining a spotlight on these phenomena.

HarryPeckerCrabbe · 2014-04-04T06:02:08+00:00

Your arguments, in many regards, aren't far off what many evolutionary biologists would state. Certainly male and female sexual practices have co-evolved over four million years plus of hominid evolution, ergo a natural Ying/Yang relationship. It will be interesting how the advent of things like penicillin and the nanny state impact evolution over the next 100,000 years - certainly birth rates are markedly declining.

ThePendulumSwingeth · 2014-04-04T05:21:30+00:00

And check out this one. This'll really blow ur minds.

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1w4d7m/orgasm_and_arousal_during_rape_or_sexual_assault/

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