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Yes they can!

showmerex

September 2, 2016
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Title Yes they can!
Author

showmerex

Upvotes 30
Comments 34
Date September 2, 2016 11:43 PM UTC
(9 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/50w7sn/yes_they_can/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/yes-they-can.942374
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[–]civilsaint 16 points17 points18 points 9 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

What's wrong with this? It promotes women's health awareness.

[–]Arby01 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

because, like the 'save the boobies" pink ribbons everywhere - it will actually be funded more even though fewer people are dying of it and women already enjoy a longer lifespan. Then we will hear about how the fastest growing poverty demographic is old women (which will be true, because boomers are the largest demographic and they are in old age and the men are already dying off)

Look at the harm that misinformation is causing. It makes you think women suffer from heart disease at higher rates than men, it makes you believe they die of it more often and it invites funding gender specific investigation and treatment rather than for everybody.

[–]unpicked-username 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

1 in 3 is appauling.

If you cannot respect women raising money for diseases affecting them, why should you expect them to respect raising money for the different cancers that only affect men?

[–]dungone 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No, it's not. It's misleading. Everyone eventually dies. If you die of heart disease at the ripe age of 90, it's not the same as dying of it at 45.

[–]JebberJabber 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

It makes you think women suffer from heart disease at higher rates than men, it makes you believe they die of it more often

The whole theme of the poster is that heart disease is not just a men's problem. There is nothing to suggest women get it more.

it invites funding gender specific investigation and treatment rather than for everybody.

Heart research has always been and still is overwhelmingly gender-biased towards men. The default is to research males for heart stuff, unless the budget stretches to including both genders or it is known that both will need to be included.
Female studies are often done later to complete the picture.

The ad is reminding women that they need to look after their heart (i.e. diet, exercise, stress, sleep, checkups).

Remember the medical community is evidence based. They don't consult the tarot to work out what things to target in public health campaigns. They do calculations on things like years of active life gained to decide which diseases to target, and they measure the effectiveness of their advertising.

Remember also that doctors are smart and pragmatic. I imagine they are targeting women here but you don't know that is all that is happening. It might be they have decided that since men are such fuckwits about looking after ourselves it would be extra useful to get women thinking about heart health, so they will encourage us to live more healthily.

[–]Arby01 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

There is nothing to suggest women get it more.

1 in 3 implies a devastatingly high rate - without the corresponding male rate (and age brackets, etc) it is intentionally providing a statistic in a completely misleading way. To pretend to believe that this isn't intentionally trying to manipulate public opinion to give the impression that it's more serious is dishonest.

Remember the medical community is evidence based. They don't consult the tarot to work out what things to target in public health campaigns. They do calculations on things like years of active life gained to decide which diseases to target, and they measure the effectiveness of their advertising.

Really? Then why aren't there far, far more initiatives on male health since men have a shorter lifespan?

If what you propose were even remotely true then breast cancer campaigns would have ended after receiving far more funding than everything else combined despite being a fraction of the cancer deaths.

I imagine they are targeting women here but you don't know that is all that is happening. It might be they have decided that since men are such fuckwits about looking after ourselves it would be extra useful to get women thinking about heart health, so they will encourage us to live more healthily.

Yeah, and maybe aliens are secretly running the world but useless speculation is simply useless.

[–]JebberJabber 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

why aren't there far, far more initiatives on male health since men have a shorter lifespan?

Because doctors don't suffer from the ideologically-generated delusion that men and women are "equal" in every way that suits male interests. They don't expect men and women to be the same, they just look for opportunities to improve the health of each.

I haven't looked at the breast cancer vs prostate cancer issue but I know that medical people spend a lot of effort on measuring effectiveness of interventions and using that to guide budgeting decisions.

It is easy to imagine a politician being more in favour of funding a breast cancer screening program, but the numbers backing the different proposals are written by people who were brought up in the tradition of peer-reviewed research. I lived with doctors for years, they really are not receptive to bullshit.

[–]Arby01 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

they just look for opportunities to improve the health of each.

sure. But to pretend that isn't governed by those that are either ideologically or politically motivated is hopelessly naive.

I haven't looked at the breast cancer vs prostate cancer issue

I wasn't singling out prostate cancer. Breast cancer receives far more funding than it's relative importance in the scheme of all cancers. Fund raising campaigns are not run by doctors, even if I were to agree with your idea that they are objective scientists. Unless you are claiming that Breast cancer funds are going to other research, your point is obviously wrong and simply demonstrates your own non-objectivity.

I lived with doctors for years, they really are not receptive to bullshit.

Anecdote is not data. As an aside, I worked with doctors for many years. All of them were subject to the same foibles as every other human. Which includes being overly full of their own bullshit.

[–]Ultramegasaurus 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Heart and stroke aren't gendered issues

[–]JebberJabber 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Men are much more prone to heart and stroke problems. I don't know why.

Our lifestyle has differences in exercise, diet, stress, sleep?
Our bodies have heavier bones, bigger muscles and less fat. And we are bigger overall.
Our metabolism is different, and our blood chemistry isn't the same.
Our medical care is different. We don't get regular checks and we don't investigate changes so readily. There could be differences in how well we respond to doctors advice, or follow treatment plans.

[–]showmerex 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I just thought It was a poor way of getting the point across and quite derogatory kinda but that's just me I guess

[–]civilsaint 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I wish they would do something like this for breast cancer in men, but I don't think it would go over well.

[–]showmerex 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

How common is breasts cancer in men? Personally I think a massive push needs to be made for IBD'S and other autoimmune diseases (inflammatory bowel disease) more and more people are being diagnosed each year (including myself) and I've found no one really knows what they are or even the basic symptoms which are very easily mixed up with IBS. It's quite scary

[–]civilsaint 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I didn't know that.

Breast cancer isn't as common in men, but it's much more deadly.

[–]showmerex 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I'd just go get a blood test ask them to check CRP if you were ever suspicious about an auto immune disease

[–]jamminnummeruno 27 points28 points29 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nothing wrong with this.

Yes, I know I know, they get more funding, but 1 in 3 is 1 in 3.

There is nothing wrong with bringing attention to something that affects one third of a group, kinda like domestic violence against men.

[–]Goatus_OQueef 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Spot the grammar fuckup for 10 points

[–]showmerex 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Dies

[–]Anonymous--Rex 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Which one? 10 points each?

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[–]unmodster 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Call the burn ward! Incoming!

[–]Cheezetm[🍰] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That looks like a welding whip. Why is there a flame coming out of it? Surely doesn't look like any torch I've ever seen.

[–]mikesteane 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If 1 in 3 women dies of heart disease, DV must be really widespread for that to be the leading cause of death in women.

[+]-_-I-_-I-_- 9 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

TIL that 1 in 3 old women - 7-to-11 years older than men on average - die from the complications in their circulatory system and hearts giving out.

Hello, Captain Obvious.

[–]showmerex 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I like you username

[–]ThePigmanAgain 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Anyone who would hold a welding flame that close to her body clearly does not know what she is doing.

[–]feedmecarrots 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It has always been easier to elicit sympathy for women and get donations. I have to wonder how many women's charities consume all the donations in administration so that none of it goes to work?

[–]showmerex 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Probably most of them, you should know they need that money for child support and buying clothes.

[–]feedmecarrots 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Shoes, coffee, and doughnuts?

[–]hobbes9891 point 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

sadly, if they were as good as men at suicide, then people might actually give a damn that suicide is an epidemic that is laying waste to our society....

[–]unmodster -3 points-2 points-1 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

They can do anything a man do, just not as well. Like welding, for instance, or sports, or business...

[–]showmerex 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

https://www.theguardian.com/observer/osm/story/0,,543962,00.html

I think you'll enjoy that

[–]unmodster 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow! Good read!

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