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Yet another justification for false rape: "it was during a row with her husband about lack of intimacy in their marriage that the woman claimed she had been raped."

AnthonyZarat

December 26, 2012

54 upvotes

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http://www.kentonline.co.uk/kentonline/news/2012/october/23/facebook_attack_victim_marsh.aspx

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Title	Yet another justification for false rape: "it was during a row with her husband about lack of intimacy in their marriage that the woman claimed she had been raped."
Author	AnthonyZarat
Upvotes	54
Comments	19
Date	December 26, 2012 12:55 PM UTC (13 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/15gski/yet_another_justification_for_false_rape_it_was/
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[–]Whack-a-Moomin 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

[–]tyciol 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Marsh seems to know he did wrong

But he didn't. Except:

"We did regrettably kiss once affectionately," he said. "It was a 10-second French kiss with tongues. It was something that shocked me. I was quite ashamed.

If he was shocked by it, that means she initiated it and was very participant. Regardless of...

he was convicted unanimously of indecent assault in relation to French kissing the girl

It's still bullshit. How exactly can you assault someone and be 'surprised' by a kiss with them? Those who assault others are not surprised by the assault.

"I never touched her physically on her body. I am saying she is lying about it." Marsh, who was shaking and crying in the dock as the verdicts were announced, must now sign on the sex offenders' register.

This guy didn't do anything wrong and now he has to be on a registry? Fucking hell.

All the more reason men should never tell the damned truth about anything seeing as how there's no justice in courts that we condemn a man for not resisting a kiss hard enough.

If a young boy had gone up to an older woman and started french-kissing her, odds are we would not be prosecuting her and probably find a way to prosecute him as a young offender.

But if a young girl goes to an older man and french kisses him, well, he's naturally a predator who needs to be ostrasized?

This guy's story needs to be spread so any older men kissed by younger girls learn to STFU about it. Don't be honest, because even if you didn't initiate it and your crime is not protesting hard enough, you'll be villainized.

[–]Whack-a-Moomin -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

If he was shocked by it, that means she initiated it

I don't follow your logic. We've all initiated acts (said things, for example) only to be shocked immediately afterwards that we did it. Besides he did carry on kissing her, if she started it and he didn't want it how did it go on for 10-seconds?

Those who assault others are not surprised by the assault.

I'm not sure I agree. I've punched people before and been shocked the next moment that I did it. You can be surprised that you just 'assaulted' someone.

Look he did do something wrong, not a major wrong but a wrong nonetheless, you don't snog kids. Period.

If a young boy had gone up to an older woman and started french-kissing her, odds are we would not be prosecuting her and probably find a way to prosecute him as a young offender.

I'd like to think that isn't the case but honestly that could be the case. Apart from the child being charged.

I don't agree with the sentence but a better idea than STFU would be for ALL adults to not get off with any kids. If they throw themselves at you resist, it isn't that hard. To put it another way: I don't need to hide my sexual experiences because they don't involve children.

[–]tyciol 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

We've all initiated acts (said things, for example) only to be shocked immediately afterwards that we did it.

Good point. I should've said "that implies she initiated it" rather than 'means'.

he did carry on kissing her, if she started it and he didn't want it how did it go on for 10-seconds?

Not a relevant issue. Not everyone assaulted or raped resists or stops it. Using force against a female to end a kiss could be construed as assault. Due to the power that females have over males, doing anything to upset them is risky because they can claim you assaulted them sexually or otherwise.

he did do something wrong, not a major wrong but a wrong nonetheless, you don't snog kids.

It's not been established that he was the snogger and not the snoggee. I also don't understand why kissing is illegal, to prevent the spread of herpes? This gets spread by teens kissing each other though.

a better idea than STFU would be for ALL adults to not get off with any kids. If they throw themselves at you resist, it isn't that hard.

Physically it may not be. Socially, it can be, because the possibility of "do what I say or I'll tell my parent/the police you groped me" exists.

[–]Whack-a-Moomin -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]Ted8367 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'd be interested to see what the ultimate outcome is

http://www.kentonline.co.uk/medway_messenger/news/2012/december/7/andrew_marsh.aspx

A former grocer said to have taken advantage of a schoolgirl's infatuation more than 10 years ago to indecently assault her has been spared a spell behind bars.

Judge David Griffith-Jones QC told 39-year-old Andrew Marsh he was "persuaded" to impose a non-custodial sentence despite his continuing denial of any wrong-doing.

Maidstone Crown Court heard Marsh was brought to justice after the husband of his accuser tracked him down via Facebook and then beat him up.

He was cleared of rape following a trial at Maidstone Crown Court, but convicted of indecent assault in relation to French kissing the girl.

[...]

Judge Griffith-Jones, who was told Marsh has lost his current job following publicity of the case, said there was little that could be said on his behalf.

"I also note that your victim's husband took it upon himself to exact a degree of retribution against you for what he understood had passed between you and his wife."

So violence is justified after all? I don't think much of Judge David Griffith-Jones.

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[–]Wizzad 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

TBH the incentives that will result from that will cause a real fucked up justice system. You could file charges for rape on day 1 and admit false accusation on day 2. Also real rapists might go free because the victim is desperate for money.

It seems like we just need a better way to deal with rape in the legal system. Just like with every other big crime, everyone should be a suspect. The victim might be lying, the accused might be guilty, anyone else might be helping/lying/whatever. The most important thing to note is that no one is guilty till proven by non-testimony evidence, which means that you cannot prosecute someone based on someone else's word since that person might be lying.

Of course this is difficult to do as rape is quite a complex issue, but if we can put people on the moon, we are also able to put guilty people behind bars and innocent people on the street.