Game does not exist, and is a post hoc fallacy for explaining things out of our control.
Looks are the primary determinant of attraction, in both men and women.
Here is an excellent introduction:
http://psycnet.apa.org/index.cfm?fa=buy.optionToBuy&id=2008-00466-005
Summarizing:
Undergraduates, of both sexes, were given questionnaires that asked them they care about attractiveness between 1 (not at all) to 9 (extremely).... Men said 8, women said 7 (less than men).
The researchers then did 2 hour speed dating events and after all was said and done, the students could indicate whether they were interested in meeting again and were free to set a date.
During the following month, they would get extensive followup questionnaires to see how their relationships developed, both for speed dating matches and other people they may have met outside of speed dating.
Physical attractiveness predicted relationship initiation quite well, even more so for women (correlation .46) than for men (.43)
Also looks predicted quite well whether they would initiate sex (.33 for women vs .21 for men), whether they would think having sex was a good idea ( .42 for women vs .27 for men), their commitment to pursuing/maintaining a relationship (.45 for women vs .28 for men) and to a lesser extent whether they would enjoy the date (.22 women, .11 men).
For men and women, the most effective way to become attractive is through surgery, make-up, and the use of PEDs to increase muscle mass and decrease body fat (the last option being more important for men).
Any discussion of Game that does not advocate cosmetic surgery and the use of PEDs, as well as anti-aging ancillaries (e.g. Retin-A for reversing sun damage), is worthless and misleading. Very few game figures write about proper use of anabolic steroids. None that I know of advocate cosmetic surgery.
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If that is the definition of game, then it has no useful meaning. Both men and women use techniques to increase their attractiveness every day in a million different ways. Personal grooming is not game. Being a normal human being with interesting stories and hobbies is not game. Game is using a specific set of tricks to increase your chances of sleeping with a woman, normally one who you just met in a bar-type setting. For example, here:
You cannot dibs the entire spectrum of actions that positively affect attraction.
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Working out, dressing well, and understanding basic social cues is not game. It's common sense.
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I'm confused by this response. Do you think that working out, dressing well, and understanding basic social cues is game? Are you saying women can't tell when men use working out, dressing well, and understanding basic social cues to pick them up? Or are you saying that working out, dressing well, and understanding basic social cues is not game, and that women can't understand what game really is?
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So in that case, game is a fancy word for teaching socially inept men how to interact normally with society. "Game" here would equivalent to "social skills". Therefore, game would not be a useful concept.
However, your description of game does not fit with the description of game that others use. For example, here:
These are definitely not common sense social skills. In fact, they are the opposite of what most people would say is socially acceptable.
This is just being rude for no reason.
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So game the way you're describing is so broad as to be an almost useless thing to discuss.
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So to you, game is just not texting 100 times in an hour's span?
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That's funny, because to me it sounds like you have no rebuttal.
To be honest, it's obvious that game "exists" (though its morality and effects on success is still up in the air). But the argument you're trying to use here is quite poor.
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You wanted an answer to your rhetorical question?
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Wow still going, eh?
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Yes, that would make me no longer want to pursue interactions with him. I would assume he had emotional or mental issues.
Well, you may say, if there are ways to act that make you less attractive, surely there are ways to act that make you more attractive.
Of course there are. I am more interested in people's personalities than in their looks so the way they act, especially initially, is extremely important in forming an opinion of them. That doesn't imply that game as described by TRP increases your chances of success in dating. And even if it was shown that game as described by TRP is effective, that doesn't imply that it's morally right or that it should be used.
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