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A question for redpillers: how would you reduce rape in countries where rape is commonplace?

CrisisEraDynamo

September 20, 2013
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Title A question for redpillers: how would you reduce rape in countries where rape is commonplace?
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CrisisEraDynamo

Upvotes 0
Comments 17
Date September 20, 2013 9:59 PM UTC
(12 years ago)
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[–]no_game_player 9 points10 points11 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I don't see where it's "our problem". No one here is advocating rape (despite what TBP/etc would claim). This isn't a sub focused on women or women's issues. So why ask us?

I would submit it's the general "all men are responsible for anything a man does" bullshit which generally comes out of, surprise, feminism.

Buuuut, so long as you're asking, and after saying that I'm not an authority or representative of anyone or anything, most especially TRP:

I would emphasize self-defense if I were magically the rape-prevention advisor. Just as we don't run PSA campaigns suggesting murderers not murder or burglars not burgle, but instead we suggest ways of protecting yourself, so too I believe that if women want to lower their chances of being assaulted or battered in any form, then learning self-defense techniques is valuable.

Heretical, shocking, victim-blaming, I know. But it's so crazy it just might work. And, in fact, it has. There are plenty of stories of women fighting back and thus not getting raped. And plenty of others of women just "shutting down" and not resisting and getting raped. So, crazy thought, teach them to fight back.

Of course, there's a risk of escalation. But since the premise usually is that rape is the worst possible crime, then what's a little risk of death or dismemberment versus the risk of getting raped?

[–]dropit_sphere 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

| I don't see where it's "our problem".

This is the correct answer. Further, it cannot be "our problem," because we literally do not have the power to fix it. This is the American messiah complex on steroids. It is extremely arrogant to start with the premise that we are The Anointed, sent to accomplish the White Woman's Burden in $COUNTRY.

Seriously, what exactly is the plan? Invade South Africa? Invade India? OK, I'm reaching. How about we put up posters "telling men not to rape?" That might even work, but sends you on the exact same path of matriarchy, divorce, and demographic destruction (even India is not immune) that the U.S. is on.

It's such a wrong-headed approach. No one cares about "reducing rape," in the abstract anyway, they care about their sister or daughter or wife. So, I suggest: their brothers, fathers, and husbands accompany them in public. This is not even close to perfect, but it is more than NOW has done or ever will do.

[–]autoNFA 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I disagree that no one cares about reducing rape in general; I'd imagine it would be stressful to live somewhere where people like oneself or one's relatives are getting raped on a regular basis and not having means of recourse.

Being accompanied by male relatives is a bad solution - it's resource-intensive/lowers productivity and won't help much if there are several attackers. Better to deter attackers in the first place by eradicating corruption, establishing precise and consistent rule of law, and imposing heavy punishments on those convicted beyond doubt.

You're right that we of totally different countries have no effective way of solving these problems in other countries without hurting ourselves badly in the process and risking making the problem much worse. International pressure is far less effective and gets results slower than domestic pressure. OP, I don't see why the question should be directed at this subreddit in particular - an international politics sub would be more appropriate.

[–]dropit_sphere 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I upvoted you. I was unclear when I said no one cares about reducing rape in general. What I meant was that very few people will be willing to sacrifice to reduce it in general. And I think that's what it would take.

[–]CrisisEraDynamo[S] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Thanks for your answers, everyone. I did this because we have to be able to answer criticisms of our positions, no matter who they come from. This way, our positions will become stronger.

I do not believe that all men are responsible for anything a man does. I sincerely wanted to ask how to answer a claim like this, since I have some sympathy for traditional sex roles in Western society. I am thankful for the answers I have received.

[–]no_game_player 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's all about scope. If you want to talk about traditional sex roles in Western society, then do that. You're not responsible for changing the rest of the world. At least, not in that conversation and not if you don't want to be. If you want to conquer/save the world, well, that's a different conversation/philosophy/subreddit.

Feminism wants to be everything to everyone (or at least, most people). TRP doesn't. I think the narrower scope is helpful. And in fact, I think it's when it tries to make the broadest, most general claims is when it's at its weakest.

So I can understand what led you to ask but I don't think "we" had a need for this. TRP doesn't have to be able to answer any and all mud that is slung at it, especially when it's off-topic.

That is, if someone wanted to "attack" TRP by saying "yeah, but what about women in Lower Midzimfuckistan?", it's perfectly fair to not respond or dismiss with "we don't care/that's not our concern". Just like, for instance, feminism would do if you asked "but what about men dying from work-related incidents" which would be dismissed with "just a side-effect of male privilege / patriarchy" and then mocking shouts of "wat about teh menz? lolol"

HTH ;-)

[–]16 MGaiusScaevolus 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Education and prosecution of rape as a crime. But it doesn't help to redefine rape, a la western culture, into anything a woman dislikes/regrets doing.

[–]Colorful_Harvest 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

What about countries where rape is commonplace?

I take issue with the fact that rape is as commonplace as the media and the rest of Reddit with suggest. I know Reddit has a hate boner for India right now regarding their "rape epidemic" so let's concentrate on that.

It says that the city of Delhi, home to 7.5 million women, recorded 585 cases of rape in 2012, compared with a total of 484 cases from the cities of Mumbai (232 cases), Calcutta (68), Chennai (94) and Bangalore (90 cases). Delhi, Mumbai and Calcutta are megacities with populations of more than 10 million people. Source

Lets compare those number of rapes to some American cities with populations less than 10 million:

Houston (Current Population: 2.145 million): 771 rapes in 2011

Los Angeles (Current Population: 3.82 million): 828 rapes in 2011

New York (Current Population: 8.3 million): 1092 rapes in 2011

Some would argue that because of India's cultural influences, rapes aren't reported as much as other places, but that's a moot point. The same thing could be argued for the US as many feminists do. There's no way to know the true numbers, only the numbers that are reported in actual statistics. And the numbers don't substantiate an actual "rape epidemic" in places such as India as reported by mainstream media.

[–]through_a_ways 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Redditors have a hate boner for India because Redditors are largely devoid of critical thinking. Don't think too much of it.

[–]CrisisEraDynamo[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You mention India? Well, I raise you South Africa.

[–]Colorful_Harvest 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

That's not fair. :P I have to concede on anything related to Africa, as that place is the ultimate shithole. I argued it's not as commonplace as reported by media, not that it isn't.

South* Africa* has* problems* that are way beyond the scope of just a rape epidemic.

I doubt though that socialism, an entirely western thing, would make a dent into the problems of South Africa. Countless billions have been given to Africa in the form of money and food aid (doesn't that sound a bit like socialism?) and it's still the supreme shithole of the world.

[–]Nemester 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

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Blacks are more prone to this sort of bad behavior. Not our problem in first world countries.

The average black had a better quality of life under apartheid than they do now. White males manage governments much better. They recognized a problem (intertribal violence between blacks) and tried to prevent it for the good of everyone.

Leftoids cried out and now south africa is on a steady course back to the stone age.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, we're dealing with a lot of different cultures here and different kinds of rape; A South African rapes a child believing that sex with a virgin will cure AIDS, A Kazakhstani abducts and rapes a woman as a part of traditional "bride kidnapping", An Egyptian sees a woman wearing Western clothing and assumes that she is a nymphomaniac and drags her off, An American prisoner makes another man his bitch to establish hierarchy.

There are so many different scenarios that it doesn't make sense to offer generalized solutions beyond perhaps the development and distribution of cheaper self defense tools (guns, tazers, mace) and training for those who acquire them.

[–]JohnPeel 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The situation in the third world is basically the result of giving cavemen automatic weapons. They didn't even have metal for crying out loud. We can't do anything except leave them alone and let them figure their own damn problems out.

[–]Nemester -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The "cavemen" were only really in africa. Most of rest of the world has at least some example of some sort of advanced civilization.

[–]Nemester 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't give a fuck about other countries. It is their problem to sort out, not mine.

[–]euneaux 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Give all the guys there free tablet computers preloaded with links to free porn content.

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