Beginner field report, almost had it

nicethingyoucanthave · 2013-11-09T15:51:42+00:00

Who the fuck gets water in a club?

Molly does.

Actually, probably the last time I bought a drink for a girl in a club was a situation similar to the one you describe. It was an upscale place, I knew that, but I still figured they toss me a Dasani for a couple of bucks. That's the only reason I agreed to it. Nope. Voss. It was like $20. I just lolled. Fucking D.C. man.

We then go outside to meet up with her friend and some guy she was with.

Next time say, "I'll catch up in a minute," sit down somewhere, and take out your phone. Text someone. I actually have a joking arrangement with an old friend that I'm allowed to drunk text her no matter how late it is. It doesn't wake her up. So anyway you sit there for a minute, and if the girl leaves without you, then she wasn't interested anyway.

Don't beat yourself up over it. You think you're making mistakes but the thing is, that day could be your groundhog day and you could live it over and over 1000 times and maybe still never get the girl. It happens. Enjoy the experiences you actually have and don't fixate too much on experiences you imagine you might have had.

Mr_Bell · 2013-11-09T15:32:43+00:00

Been there.

That blue light is so warm and cozy... I think I'm gonna walk toward it... NO!!

rp_manifesto · 2013-11-09T18:10:29+00:00

Mistake #1 isn't a mistake. Many clubs have water stations. Or just ask the bartender. When everyone is dancing hydration is essential, no shame in that.

Mistake #2 is only a mistake because you let it shake your frame. Theres nothing wrong with a girl making a suggestion and a guy going along. You dont have to be like "No! No Pizza! We have to go here instead!" unless you have a valid reason or argument to do so such as "This place has the best Gyros" or whatever.

Or you could have agreed with a time constraint "Sure I can go get a pizza real quick before I go" implying that you will be leaving after you eat, and that you were already thinking about leaving but now you'll do "one more thing".

One more way you can turn #2 around is to invite the people she knows to come with you, as though it was your idea even though it wasn't. This works with basically anything, men and women, and it works if you are trying to amog other Alphas or if you are trying to trump betas who have social pull with a group you are new to. "Hey we are going to X spot for pizza, you guys should join us". It makes it look like you are in control of the group when you are not, and no girl is going to be like "It was my idea!" because thats not what a woman wants anyways. Even though she knows whose idea it was, it will appear that you are in charge and this will increase her value in the eyes of her peers (because she is with a man who has direction).

Basically just cause its not your idea doesn't mean you cant take it and make it yours. There are no rules. This is the jungle baby.

IllimitableMan · 2013-11-09T19:09:00+00:00

determined to have fun and not give a shit about women.

Lol.

If you're trying to not give a shit about women, going out to a place where there's lots of women won't help you instill the mindset and deprogram/reprogram yourself to not give a shit about women. Obviously you still care about your lack of success with women.

You need to raise your SMV to fix that, not go out "as you are" and hope you "get lucky" or otherwise fool yourself "I'm not here to get laid I'm here to dance" this is the kind of shit girls say to hamster why they were in the right place and right time and then "it just happened" you're being intellectually dishonest with yourself. Your intention is to get laid but you're not confident of your skill to make it happen, so you're giving yourself a crutch of plausible deniability to rationalise away your lack of success if you don't end up balls deep in a whores orifice.

Mistake #1. She wanted to get some water. I said alright let's go. Who the fuck gets water in a club? You can't. We couldn't find any.

If a girl says "I want to get water" I'll say "OK, bye" if you don't have her number say "Wait, put your number in" if she goes she goes but you have her number you can go back to her later. If your interaction was good enough she'll beg u to come with her or she'll just stay. The problem here is you're letting her lead the interaction, by pandering to whatever need she has eg: "water" you're basically being accommodating to her. You honestly can't do these tiny little things, it's quite pathetic really that anything u do for a chick you lose respect for, but that's how it is. Only do things/favours for your close guy friends, everyone else is just shit testing/trying to exploit you (guys included) but women are the worst for this shit. They act like they have a fucking fundamental right to have shit done for them and if they're not sure if you're alpha they'll be giving you hoops to jump through. Jumping through hoops does nothing but destroy attraction for you.

Mistake #2. She wanted to find some pizza. I said alright lets go. And basically let her lead me to wherever she wanted to go. At this point I had given up my role as the man. We were doing whatever she wanted to do, and it was because I wanted to have sex with her. My instincts are to be NICE so she will fuck me. I totally gave up my needs (which was to put my penis in her) in order to make her happy. I ended up leaving soon after this as I realized it was probably going nowhere and cause I was drunk as fuck.

OK so now we're in the paradigm where the girl was allowed to lead the interaction and dictate where you go. Now you're with her and her friends so you're the outsider, unless you had a good effect on her or were able to perform well socially with her friends you'll be seen fast as the "creepy guy" and won't be accepted by the group. That in and of itself a DLV (demonstrates low value) and thus your chances of fucking her go right the fuck down. Not good, but this is what happens when you let girls take charge doubled up with an inability to win her group over.

We were doing whatever she wanted to do, and it was because I wanted to have sex with her.

Yeah you let her pimp you with her pussy that's why you didn't get to fuck her pussy. She can instinctually smell the beta on you from your actions.

My instincts are to be NICE so she will fuck me.

Those aren't your instincts, your instincts are to talk shit to her, escalate physically, command her to undo your zipper push her up against a wall and spontaneously fuck her. Your blue pill social programming has told you that chicks are just guys with vaginas and equal to us spiritually, mentally and in their cognitive ability - which anyone who's ever lived an unsheltered life knows is blasphemous motherfucking bullshit. Still got more pill to swallow my friend.

TheeRyanGrey · 2013-11-09T16:55:16+00:00

Your first mistake. You don't go to a club to not give a shit about women. Clubs are for women to get laid. Worst place in the world not to give a shit about women. The reason clubs can charge such astronomical prices for entry and service is because there's no easier lay in the world than club girl.

2.Second mistake: If you dance with a girl the way you did---Little tip for TRP: THIS IS EXACTLY HOW YOU SHOULD DANCE WITH GIRLS; Club Dancing is foreplay so get handsy and get sexy---you should try and kiss her within 30 seconds.

3.She shit test you hard because she was getting wet. You should've spun her around, pulled her in, and kissed her. She gave herself an out, a way to rationalize the cheat. Your job was to step through the door and take responsibility for it. KISS HER.

4.She gave you the compliance shit test: Go do something with her other than turn her on. It worked. You left.

5.She continued to make you do stuff you didn't want to. You said your plan was "not giving a shit about women" and yet here you are following this bitch around the club. WOOF. She completely took you out of frame my dude.

6.NEVER EAT DURING A PICK UP. NEVER. Food makes you both less sober, kills the attraction you built up, and makes people sleepy. Eat after you guys bone.

wakethfkupneo · 2013-11-09T17:05:03+00:00

She wanted to get some water.

She wanted to find some pizza.

Looks like she was into you and doing the 'isolate' part (that should really be your job).

(can't find better link, just to ilustrate) instigate-isolate-escalate

theredpillmorpheus · 2013-11-10T05:48:42+00:00

"She was thirsty and hungry and I gave in and let her have something to drink and eat. So beta."

Pretty much as soon as you started analyzing the situation, you blew it. You were IN dude. You were accepted as part of her group, hanging out afterwards, and getting food. That's NORMAL.

Also, you're contradicting yourself.

"My goal was to just dance and have a good time"

"I totally gave up my needs (which was to put my penis in her) in order to make her happy. "

_whistler · 2013-11-09T16:38:59+00:00

Fear is the mindkiller. Neediness is the gamekiller. Alcohol kills both.

One of my good friends has the same exact problem. He knows what he needs to do, but he gets needy as soon as there's any remote possibility of sex. In his case, and in your case described above, not getting "drunk as fuck" would be a huge help to keep this in check.

2013-11-10T04:35:37+00:00

I don't even care about girls tonight!

Tonight, I JUST WANNA DANCE!

500_lizards · 2013-11-11T05:49:27+00:00

Kudos for the field report. There aren't enough of them.

roue_ · 2013-11-12T00:45:58+00:00

That last bit gets a thumbs up. Control the situation you're a man not an emasculated little boy. Go out next time and you will deffo pull if you have the same attitude conveyed in the ending of your post.

deepthrill · 2013-11-09T13:19:39+00:00

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2013-11-09T20:49:12+00:00

Try going for a girl who doesn't have a boyfriend.

LasherDeviance · 2013-11-10T00:28:30+00:00

OK. A lot of guys here(noobs) dont understand, you dont have to smash a chick the day that you meet her. That's basic PUA 101, getting a ONS. Also that's not what The Red Pill is about. Go to /r/pua or /r/seduction for that. Granted, I want you to take the red pill, but at the same time, this isn't where you come to learn to hit on chicks. This is where you to come to understand them and yourself at the same time.

Pushnikov · 2013-11-09T15:34:49+00:00

Ya, those instincts are a bitch. Ironically, a recent study on Testosterone indicates that generosity is strengthened with testosterone.

So, you are literally fighting your natural instincts (don't ask me why our hormones are this fucked up) - it's not you, it is literally your body kicking you into "do what the bitch wants" mode. Don't feel bad, just learn to overcome it and keep analyzing your moves.

One way you take this and use it to your advantage is to take that "generosity" instinct and realize you're not actually "giving" her anything when you give into her. You need to offer something (not money or physical things - but experiences and ideas and opportunities.)

Title	Beginner field report, almost had it
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Date	November 9, 2013 12:50 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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