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[–]1raceAround126 12 points13 points14 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
What a strange situation. But I guarantee the girl Jade is the driver behind all of it. Sex to her means very very little.
Polyamory is the feminist label for plates. Poly women get the validation and supplication of a pussy man while getting railed by alphas. It's all a means to eventually branch swing if possible, or to just stay in a happy equilibrium.
Let me clarify. Let's say that Alex doesn't exist. If Jade or Hannah both said that they were availble to be fucked on one particular night only of that week and you had no other options, which would you choose? My guess is that you would pick the better looking one whichever that may be.
This is how men are wired. Which is why this made me laugh:
Alex is off sleeping with some model in another country for a bit
Alex for sure is not fucking models in another country. He's holed up in some crappy hotel and his evening consists of a pot noodle and a wank! He does this because Jade is probably the only woman who gave him the attention he craved. He has to be OK with this situation.
Source: I have fucked married women. And the reason your story rings out and why I actually believe this one is:
Jade’s preoccupied finding women on Tinder she can coax into a threesome with me
This just seems to be a recurring theme with married women who have cheated with me. Although most of the time I had no idea at all they were married, some went to extreme lengths to set up threesomes. I have no idea why they do this but they do.
The only winner here is Jade. Watch yourself. Have your fun by all means, if she helps you get to a place where you're easy dating girls then even better. But don't think for a minute that a poly lifestyle is workable. From the man's perspective, unless you take that male pride, masculinity and dominance over your woman and push it right down into a hole somewhere never to be seen again, there is no way any real man can watch or know that any girl they are serious about in any way is getting railed by randoms. Men just aren't wired that way.
Most poly relationships fail through the simple fact that women get dick easier than men get pussy. That simple. It's always the case. I seem to have little problem getting girls, be it plating or ONS. But I attribute that simply to living in the gym, being a guitarist in multiple bands and having a lot of friends. That didn't happen overnight and I know guys better looking than I who get zero attention.
But I've known girls who by some virtue of feminst ideology never wear makeup or shave their parts, who really do not look appealing at all have multiple guys buying them drinks all in a bidding war to take her home for some vanilla starfish sex. That is the human race.
[–]ohsoentitled 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
The only winner here is Jade.
I don't really see how that's the case. Your comment about Alex actually being a beta is assuming a bit much but might be true. If he however is seeing someone else in another country, and I have other plates here then how is everyone not winning?
Yes, Jade has more options but I'm not spending time comparing my game to hers. Just as RP men will swap a plate with a better one, so women will branch swing given the opportunity. Both are hypergamous actions.
There's been a lot of comments of possessiveness, cuckoldry, GFs, BFs and wives. This is plain and simple, I have plates, she has plates, Alex has plates, is everyone cool with that?
[–]1raceAround126 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The point is it's different for men and women. It just is.
[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Although most of the time I had no idea at all they were married, some went to extreme lengths to set up threesomes. I have no idea why they do this but they do.
For the same reason straight girls do it: they want to lez out, hard, but want the security of having some cock in the room so that they don't have to think, "Shit! What if I'm a lesbo?!"
Married women can be more chill about it b/c they have a man locked down; single girls are at least a bit afraid that they might lose you to better pussy.
[–]fucknshuck 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I have had this experience as well. I don't get it either. They are always the ones that bring threesomes up and start looking.
[–]fucknshuck 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Mark my word this will lead to drama. Been there done that. Have fun with it while it last but when the drama starts hard next.
[–]FrameWalker 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Learning to not be jealous is RP.I think there's little reason to give any commitment to a girl that gives it up for free.
[–]Icaria25 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Basically OP is doing good and Alex unless he's just using Jade as main plate ( = not really committed ) is retarded. Unless he's low smw and trusts the girl to have his sons at the end of their sexual trip. I guess it's a bet, though not a good one.
[–]vaelamin 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Alex went to go fuck a model didn't he? Still though facetimeing the guy who fucked your GF is pretty BP.
[–]Icaria25 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Well i was in the reproductive department of sex there... OP is framing her as a plate, Alex while he may have his fun has a bond to her as far as we know. Basically he's committing to a whore, and although she may be honest so far, no1 knows the risks on genetic fathership. Perhaps he is aware of the situation... maybe he's gullible. Don't know him so just wondering his possible scenarios. More specifically
Is this a feeling that would be beneficial in some way to suppress in the pursuit of sexual freedom?
This op comment swiped my feet, looks a hedonistic outlook. It may just be about sex to OP but for the other guy this shit can be a life deal breaker. Sexual freedom isn't worth cuckoldry.. So i was wondering if he knew better, he's gonna get lucky or he's in for the dirty long ride.
[–]ohsoentitled 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think there's a very distinctive difference between GFs in a monogamous relationship and a polyamorous one. As I recalled in the original post, they're primaries.
What this seems to mean is that they have a more intimate relationship than either of them do with anyone else (e.g. Jade and I). It's also far less possessive than a few people are making out. She isn't HIS GF, it's more like two independent people turned interdependent.
[–]Javier_Mendoza3 points 10 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link
I stay far away from polyamorists. My experience is that they are all deluded. I like to keep my life nice, simple, and drama free.
Basically two scenarios. One is Alpha guy with a harem. This is just assumed with any alpha. Women figure if you are a smooth guy who picks up chicks on the regular then you are not monogamous. Discretion is key to avoid drama. Plates are too preoccupied with gaining Alpha Market Share to bang other dudes, other than as a suicidal jealously gambit.
The other scenario is average/ugly girl banging several losers. This is just open female hypergamy. She is trying out cocks in the safest possible way, with your direct permission. The loser guys are so cucked they are afraid to assert any will or emotion. Sooner or later, the main loser gets passed over for another loser. It's the same as her monkey branching a normal relationship. Polyamory is just semantics.
You may get threesomes out of it but it's always under her supervision. She may put up with you banging other randos for now, but once she promotes you to her 'primary' that will end. It will be her way or the highway.
I don't see how subscribing to polyamory immediately defines you as a loser who might get "promoted" or has to do things her way.
Polyamory by definition is having multiple intimate relationships. This doesn't mean only BP chumps can be polyamorous whilst one of their girls is going around getting railed by other guys.
If I maintain a harem, and one of my plates decides to see other guys, that's polyamory. I don't have to put up with any shit as an RP guy anymore so than you would do with multiple plates.
[–]Javier_Mendoza2 points 10 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Being polyamorous doesn't make you a loser; but every poly couple I've met has been full of losers. Pattern recognition. Sitting in bed with a girl while she Facetimes another dude? Thats humiliating to both men. Losers.
Typically, the strong personalities exert their will on the weaker ones. If male, you end up with a harem. If female, you get one woman, many men. People don't like competition. Jealousy is a lizard-brain level reaction, you can't make it go away with neocortex rationalizations.
[–]Derbi50 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Chances are a plate is going to be fucking someone else anyway. A slut for you is going to slut it up with another guy anyway.
I guess it depends on if you even want to know or if you don't.
[–]Thenextprince 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Exactly. This is redpill, idk why these guys are acting like plates are loyal. She's already fuckint other guys shes not loyal, might as well use her for your urges and be comfor table with the fact they're all sluts
I don't think anyone here is saying that plates are loyal. For a plate to be disloyal would be to imply betrayal and polyamory from my experience is far too open and honest for sleeping with someone else to be considered betrayal.
[–]Statecensor 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Too many legal troubles if she ever gets pregnant and you are the top earner in the polyamory chain even if its not your kid. You also have to worry about STDs and extremely anti social behavior that you have not noticed because you are still in the fucking her brains out phase of the relationship. Women do not wake up and become polygamists without trauma. You also need to remember her words. Alex is her primary you will need to be ok with the fact that they might make financial and other decisions as the relationship goes on that benefits them but not you or attempt to put you under their thumb financially without you thinking it all the way thru.
Polyamory like its relative polygamy are good for the men/women who are the head of the group and its sub men/women so long as they have few options otherwise. If you have options then in the end its just a waste of your time. For example with polygamy poor women benefit from the system so it makes sense for them to be part of it.
I agree that polyamory might have no longevity. If you start looking at the prospect of kids, marriage, economics etc the whole thing looks far too complicated. Not to mention that the legal systems of most western countries don't support it.
Putting that aside though, if we're just talking about sex and intimacy do you think it's viable?
[–]daddymonsterpoodle 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
If its not broke, don't fix it. You have found a girl who seems funky, likes to fuck, and is cool with you sleeping with other women. Enjoy it while it works. Dont get oneitis.
[–]Thenextprince -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This seems like a dream come true idk what the big deal is. I don't understand the possessiveness over plates. They're women, they all cheat. Might as well be comfortable with it & get your nut.
Considering that polyamory is based on open relationships I don't think it's possible to cheat per se. There are boundaries that could be crossed I suppose, but they're far less restrictive than conventional monogamous relationships.
[–]aanarchist 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
as long as you don't finance her and she brings something to the table
[–]excesssound 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is the easiest possible way to get HSV.
[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yes and no. I've been around it a lot. Let me give you my executive summary:
[–]ohsoentitled -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It works when you aren't in a pair bond. It isn't the same sort of "love." It's more like familial love but with genitals involved.
This is an excellent analysis :)
I've seen women pack up to drive out a female more than once.
Not been around this long enough, but I can see that this might happen.
If you are a guy that just likes to have a lot of sex with a lot of women, you aren't into poly. You are an ally cat... and there isn't a fucking thing wrong with that.
LMAO i.e. poly is an ally cat that has feelings and emotions and stuff ;)
[–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Poly is for cucks, plating is for alphas.
It's very simple - you are an idiot if you're emotionally supporting and committing to a girl who's having physical and/or emotional relations with other men. If you have a GF, this is a sure way to just nuke your status in the relationship and have her to get do trial runs to screen for better options until she finds one. Unless your SMV is much higher than hers (remember a 7 guy versus a 5 girl, the 5 girl can still get way more dick than he can get pussy), there's no way you're going to be competing with the attention, validation, dread, and sex options that she's going to be getting.
So you only want to do this with girls who are plates, like 100% no emotions slampieces. Plating is basically her getting to orbit you and have a chance of a upgrade to a GF, so she is already motivated to earn your approval. She wants to you to start investing in her emotionally (making the plate relationship transition to a GF/BF) and this is when if you open the "relationship", you'll be getting laid and the residual dread will have her trying to destroy your dick in a good way.
Open plating works, open relationships don't.
[–]Senior ContributorMentORPHEUS 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's very simple - you are an idiot if you're emotionally supporting and committing to a girl who's having physical and/or emotional relations with other men.
I agree but with some qualifiers. Change committing to overcommitting, and add unless your Abundance Cup runneth over.
The young, inexperienced Beta, who agrees to "polyamory" when suggested by his oneitis in a desperate bid to keep her; yeah, idiot. Once you've suffered the "problem" of way more women than you can keep adequately fucked month after month, the lesser men in their lives keep them from starving entirely, which helps keep them available for me long-term, very part-time, and very low-maintenance. I don't experience it as dreadful and humiliating, but rather satisfying that I'm the man many women keep returning to fuck, which is more like "It's good to be the king!"
So you only want to do this with girls who are plates, like 100% no emotions slampieces
Again, good advice for the inexperienced, but I've always preferred some kind of connection besides just sex with the women I sleep with. My preference is to have a long-term primary partner and long-term plates, which has been like living many lives concurrently in one over the last 20 years. Overattachment is always a potential problem, but if you can compartmentalize your relationships well, it can make for a more enriching life than just a string of pure fuck buddies, if this is something you value.
So this is an interesting point. There are some key aspects of game that don't apply in the case of polyamory as you mentioned e.g. dread.
However I think there are a couple of key distinctions:
you are an idiot if you're emotionally supporting and committing to a girl who's having physical and/or emotional relations with other men.
A girl with an RP man will always lean on them emotionally for stability. But should this be tolerated if she's seeing other men? I would apply the same rules as I would with any of my friends i.e. support if required but I'm no emotional tampon and would not tolerate excessive complaining or drama etc.
If you have a GF, this is a sure way to just nuke your status in the relationship
Whilst I agree, the point is that you wouldn't have a GF. You essentially have plates, some that you might consider equivalent to a conventional relationship with regards to levels of intimacy.
like 100% no emotions slampieces
I quite enjoy being a little closer emotionally to some plates. So long as you have a handle on your own emotions (aka you're don't let yourself get blinded by infatuation) then I don't see why there can't be emotions involved here.
a chance of a upgrade to a GF
I think the point I'm making here is that there is an alternative to "upgrading" to a monogamous relationship with a GF. If you consider it an "upgrade" then why? If we ignore kids for a moment, I would contend that many of the benefits of acquiring a girlfriend could be achieved in open relationships too.
there's no way you're going to be competing with the attention, validation, dread, and sex options that she's going to be getting.
This I do agree with. There's no way that I can compete with her in terms of options which is why I don't. Sure, I can't really play the dread game and that could be a problem.
[–]Thenextprince 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
What if you treat all plates as no emotion slampieces?
Then you're an ally cat that just fucks a lot of girls as another commenter put it. And there's nothing wrong with that :)
[–]Stythe 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
This is the thing to me. If they are just fucking and there's no rap relationship transaction, why call it a relationship at all, poly or not?
If he's more into her or providing, then he's allowing his resources to be used. Even if he's okay with it, objectively he could use that time/money/ whatever for himself, so he's losing something for her gain.
If she's more into him, he's just plating her.
When I look at it from a facts only perspective and not how they feel, I can't see how a poly relationship works. It seems like two people who are emotionally lonely but afraid to be alone, so they attach to people they don't much care for or aren't threatened by or afraid to lose and fuck others in the meantime. I've met people doing this and they all seem to have some issues. I can speak for everyone, but I haven't come across a legit poly relationship that seems even or fair, and I don't expect to, because it doesn't satisfy people's emotional needs. It literally is a superficial relationship. It just can't go deeper by its very nature as nobody is fully invested.
I'd live to hear objective opinions though.
[–]ohsoentitled 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I actually think it could be the opposite of what you're describing. I'm sure this won't be the case all the time, but I see it as an opportunity for entirely independent people to enjoy the sex and intimacy of someone else without the possessiveness and attachment that comes with a lot of traditional monogamous relationships.
Perhaps I'm talking ideally here but so far my experience has been more like a group of friends that just enjoy sex. There's no draining of resources, there's no jealousy, there's no overcommitment.
I see no reason why people can't be fully invested. What does fully invested even mean? Why couldn't you full invest with multiple people? These are the kind of questions I'm interested to find answers to :)
[–]Stythe 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I can't say for sure. This isn't an area I have much experience in. I've heard polyamours relationships can also be a great way to get over jealousy. I suppose if everyone contributed equally and there was proper connection/etiquette in may be possible, I just don't see that being the case in my experience.
Polyamory works when it's one guy with a high enough SMV that two or more girls don't mind openly sharing him and don't bang other dudes, which means it works when it's called "polygamy", and even then it will have a beginning, a middle and an end, unless one lives in a highly structured society in which women will get killed/cast out for whoring around, e.g. Greater Jihadistan.
If he's using Jade as a cum dumpster, then fine, but don't catch da feelz or shit will go bad in a hurry.
[–]Senior ContributorMentORPHEUS 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
We lay in bed afterwards and she asks if I’m seeing anyone else. Usually I might elude to something at this point but honesty seems to be the name of the game here so I tell her that I’ve just arrived but I’m meeting other girls later in the week.
Well played. Men inexperienced with multiple plates will be surprised how well you can navigate "the talk" regardless of content, when you're 100% OI, confident, and honest during.
Needless to say, going to a date with that kind of backup plan made every aspect of game easier.
Abundance mentality in action!
I want to say this is a kink but it seems more like people who just have their feelings of jealousy under control
Yes, this is the endgame of true, comfortable polyamory. It's not a "higher or superior" position to reach, but necessary to fully enjoy polyamory unconflicted. It's not for every man, and nobody is any less of a RP man for not wanting this in their own life. This is the full manifestation of OI and the "She's not yours, its your turn." Not an easy position to reach; my own early BP feelings of oneitis and Disney-style love had already been left a burnt-out hulk before I could approach it, much less settle in after experience.
Thanks for sharing, sounds like a great experience that many will never taste.
[–]Thenextprince 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Tbh it sounds like polyamory is for me. I don't care whos fucking my plates as long as I still get pussy when I want it. Me and my bros shared girls all the time at my old school.
Not like your plates are loyal anyways.
[–]TheJedi_Lied 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I'm traveling and recently acquired a poly plate as well. It's very interesting. I think all in all polyamory is a natural sexual strategy for men. Good practice for unattachment too. She'll fuck around anyway: spin the plate don't get attached spend no $ move on when she stops putting out.
[–]ohsoentitled 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I would sever any relationship or friendship where the value I receive is anything less than equivalent to what I put into it. The sexual freedom is compelling but I won't lie by saying that's the only end goal.
RP is a valid framework for men who's end goal it is to acquire a GF and keep her for the emotional intimacy it provides. I'm certainly not against that idea, especially if it can work with more than one girl at a time. Hence this post.
[–]1Sir_Distic 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I realized I was poly a few years ago. After things ended with my last ex.
I can't be satisfied being with 1 person. I've known a few other poly's and they have all acted like this Jade you describe.
As Marsupian mentioned somewhere else, for high SMV RP guys plating essentially is polyamory.
How did you feel when you met other girls that were poly?
[–]letriggeredface -4 points-3 points-2 points 10 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Mate, you're literally asking if its RP to cuck yourself so you can pursue pussy while fucking someone. Even though TRP teaches you how to do this without getting cucked.
Oneitis, recommendation: fellate a shotgun.
[–]Senior ContributorMentORPHEUS 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
cuck yourself
Every time polyamory involving M>1 is brought up, the word CUCK starts flying. Congrats on being the first ITT.
This is a PLATE, not his monogamous GF or wife, you buffoon! They're not together to raise children (Cuckold def 1) nor is this a subset of BDSM humiliation of her primary (Cuckold def 2.)
[–]AmbitiousSimon 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Dude, he is talking about plates, not about a gf.
I wouldn't give a too much of a fuck if i had other plates.
[–]Endorsed ContributorMarsupian 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
If you have high smv being polymorous is basically the same as having plates but giving it a special name and having a conversation on the topic. When you are low smv it's a way for your girl to use your resources while fucking other dudes.
What matters is not how you label your relationships, what matters is how much you are paying and what sex you are getting in return.
Obviously this is not for guys looking for monogamy.
Good point, in the absence of anyone paying for anything are we down to just swinging? :)
[–]ohsoentitled 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Interesting, but the question here is really about how comfortable you'd be knowing that one of you plates was sleeping with someone else and whether that would spark feelings of jealousy.
[–]letriggeredface 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
how comfortable would you be?
Zero percent. Unlike you i find no comfort in having my girl take a buncha dicks while shes mine.
[–]permashred 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
She's not yours, it's only your turn
That sounds awfully possessive given that she's a plate, but fair enough.
[–]Thenextprince 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
She already most likely is Cheating anyways. Honestly, I don't care about sharing a bitch. Pussy is pussy. Ill fuck her, pass her to a home/share her with a home.. outside of bed, I feel no possessiveness over a woman. She's not mine alone and never will be. Bitches love to feel like they are during sex tho.
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