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[–]Docbear6437 points38 points39 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I think I was 14 when my uncle explained this to my mom and my Aunt - to - be( his eventual wife). It was so outrageously appalling to me that he would say such a thing despite the fact I had seen him with Dimes and attractive women all throughout my teens and childhood. Sure enough now I couldn't disagree if I wanted to .
The point whether you say women are children or women are like dogs is that women need to be lead , they openly express all the time how they want a guy who can make plans for a good date , They ask what to wear , what they should do , etc. Embrace the desire they have to follow and lead them , you may just find you enjoy it after a while.
[–]scrodzilla9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Damn right. My girl claims to be a "strong independent woman" but loves it when I tell her exactly what to do in and out of the bedroom.
[–]theONE843663[🍰] 11 points12 points13 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
"... you may just find you enjoy it after a while." <--- Just goes to show how much damage has been done already. Since when did men stop enjoying keeping their bitchez in check? Both dogs and women I'm talking about here...
[–]Docbear6412 points13 points14 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
When men started being taught that telling a woman what to do is abusive even if women universally declare indirectly that they love being told what to do .
[–]theONE843663[🍰] 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Society is fucked up I'm telling you man.
[–]Heathcliff-- 44 points44 points44 points 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
[deleted] ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^0.6563
What is this?
[–]SomeNetworkGuy25 points26 points27 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Just a word of advice, and it probably goes without saying, but don't forget to be loving and fun with your children too. Not only will it be rewarding for you personally, but you'll have a stronger relationship with your kids as well.
[–]harkrank 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Discipline and tough love is great in the workplace or with women, but it doesn't translate into raising kids that easily. First of, your techniques are used when you want people to do something. With a kid you don't really want him to do something, you want him to learn and become a person, and that will not happen if he's getting hounded. Kids are smart and they will see through the role playing you and your wife will try to do, as they mature they will think you are ridiculous.
Secondly, if you train your kids like dogs your kids will learn to be treated like dogs, to be subservient to other people they meet in life. Beta.
[–]SirGaetanDugas 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Great post and a solid reminder to todays chubby manlets:
A Man shows true love very differently than women and children do. He gives them what they need to thrive, not what he feels good to him in the moment.
Stern discipline isnt fun to dole out. It requires patience, foresight, and true affection.
[–]RedEyesBlueShades0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Highlight mine. And this is something very few truly appreciate and understand. Well said.
[–]SirGaetanDugas 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Glad it made an impression dude
[–]TelemachusRising 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
But that's not best practices!!! Says the Study from Hamsterton Institute designed to confirm that being a big pussy is the best way to get kids to learn.
[–]Aaronindhouse-1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This just in: Hamersterton Institute confirmed to also find safe spaces ideal settings for an academic setting. Safe spaces increase study effectiveness by a whopping 200% according to their recent studies.
[–]orange_juice007 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Great read. As someone who's aiming to become a teacher, I thank you for this advice. A small tip though: I don't know the rules in your country, but in mine, a teacher is not allowed to send students out of the classroom. If one of your student's parents are assholes, they can get you fired for doing that.
[–]longschlong121 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Great comment, training to be a teacher, didn't like being the 'strict' teacher as I always wanted to be the fun and cool teacher.
Realised this was not going to work with younger students, maybe with more older mature students. A lot of interesting points that I'd definitely use.
[–]RedPistola0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is a great post. Please consider writing up some lessons on how to implement this conditioning with the various people in our lives
[–]CioranVlad18 points19 points20 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Women act like cats, hard to get, they want to be like cats, doing their own way. Men act like dogs. Every gender, want the oposite. Mens turn into cats. And women actually love it, they are trying to get your atention, and from time to time tou give a little something and they go craxy. On the other hand women want to be dogs, just deprive them of affection, and when you meet then they will be running to you. I curently have a cat, and a kinda LTR with a chick who has 4 cats. I learned a lot about women just by looking and observing my cat. For example, if i don't show her attention at all she will come to me, bite me, anything just to pet her. As soon as i pet her she start purring. Same goes with women. If my gf annoys me i ignore her, and she will come begging to me. But i have to hold me.frame and not fall back into being a BB. C Gentlemen, don't give then almost nothing. Even the smallest things. They will be thrilling for the smallest things.
[–]TrumpWillWinAmerica 15 points15 points15 points 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
girl with 4 cats...?
a man with a cat...?
[–]CioranVlad0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, i live on the country side and i have a mice problem. And i let my cat live inside.
[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
(2-negative) treat her harshly and she'll find this as an excuse that "it was you who started it," believe me brothers.
Yes, because negative attention is still attention. You still care. So she manouvres herself out of responsibility. The more you try to make her responsible, the lower your status, the higher her status, and the more she feels that as a superior creature everything must be your fault.
That said next time she treats you like shit, ghost
This is literally the only thing that women respond to. Completely withdrawing both your attention and your presence. Without this option (eg married or cohabiting) your lovelife will be miserable.
[–]throw1745311 points12 points13 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I remember making a similar point in the first post I made here, here's the extract:
A couple of times with the guy I’m currently seeing I’ve acted in a way, or said something, that could be taken as disrespectful or a “breaking” of the dynamic. The motivators for me doing so were, a situation i was in the right over, and two, an insecurity over whether i could trust him. His response both times was actually quite brilliant.
Silence
From a frame perspective this was the best response. The outcome both times, was essentially the same. I later apologise to him for my tone, try to very briefly explain the thought process or emotional factors that had led me to act that way, and politely and enthusiastically talk normally. He either accepts or ignores my apology, and then talks as if nothing had happened, or in the case where I was in the right, he briefly apologised and explained too.
But he did so on his own terms, at a time that suits him, when we are back within a dynamic of his choosing and when I was behaving well.
You could also see this from a pavlovian perspective, I’m feeling anxious or confused or some other whimsical emotion often disparaged here, and act out. He removes his presence, and only returns it when I am behaving as he would like. I am then conditioned to not do so again, or be less likely to.
I also ultimately feel more drawn to him and respectful, because our interactions are on his terms, and that kind of independence and control in a guy is very attractive.
That post is old, I was transexual at the time, dating men, and am now living as a guy, but your post reminded me of my own observation.
[–]ChiangRai8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I am a little annoyed on that you'd say that about dogs. Rude.
[–]casemodsalt10 points11 points12 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Seriously. My dog is much more interesting and loyal than any vag I've ever met. Women are dime a dozen but dogs are dogs man. Can't replace them. Like gold almost.
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[–]supernormalnorm 3 points3 points3 points 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Okay you have a point. Let's just say, all women and dogs are the same EXCEPT dogs have a sense of loyalty.
Fck, dogs>women. AWALT AWALT
[–]p3n1x0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Dogs are loyal because most are weak on their own. Hence the necessity for a pack and the weakness to do anything to be accepted.
Beta's tend to run in packs....
Just throwing out a different perspective.
[–]DigitallyDisrupt2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Pavlov, Pavlov's dogs, pavlovian
[–]supernormalnorm4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
NAH it's all about the life of Pablo. The life of Pablo man.
[–]DigitallyDisrupt0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Wifing up a Kardashian appears to be bad for your health.
[–]Aaronindhouse2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
honestly, Even the truest alpha would probably have problems holding frame while keeping a LTR with a kardshian. Not worth it imho.
[–]aazav7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Pavlovian*.
If you're going to use a term as a reference, learn how to spell it before trying to use it.
[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
You're not grading term papers in your women's studies class. Stow the mockery.
If you correct a man, do it for his benefit. Not yours.
[–]throw174531 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
You've just done exactly what you are criticising.
[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
/u/supernormalnorm made some effort to contribute something valuable to the community.
/u/aazav tried to start a pissing contest.
You tell me which one earned his mockery.
[–]MEpicLevelCheater-1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
ECs get special benefits, like exemptions from hypocrisy. They do this for your own good.
[–]throw174531 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
lol understood.
They do this for your own good
Could be the opening line of an Orwell novel...
[–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
just can't help it can you.
Take a few days, I'm not sure if misguided, or trolling
[–]supernormalnorm0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There goes Mr. Pablo Grammar Nazi
[–]ReddittFeist2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Actually, one of the most important sayings of all is: "Women are like cats, men are like dogs."
It's great and all to use the metaphor of dog training for building a better girlfriend, but seriously, they really are like cats, with all that that means. AWALT.
Now this doesn't mean one shouldn't train one's GF/wife.
And the single most reliable guide to maintaining relationships I got from some dead bedroom site was: "Reward the good and never reward the bad."
Pavlovian conditioning/operant response training is important, but results require a lot more outcome independance than most guys understand when transitioning from beta to alpha.
But seriously, think about how you raise a devoted cat as opposed to an obedient dog.
[–]Andgelyo3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
did you mean pavlovian? lmao surprised nobody caught that
It was his soft attempt at a Kanye joke.
[–]KolaDesi1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I'm shocked you even got a girl, wow.
I guess you woudn't mind if your girlfriend started to consider you like a dog.
[–]supernormalnorm1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
White knight Pablo alert here
[–]Sweedie1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hi, Sheldon.
"Anyway, lots of similarities between women and dogs. Desired copulation position is another one, among many more." - From what I understand doggy style sex is more popular with men than women. Does this mean men are also dogs?
"...and they never complain." - Yes, because dogs can't speak and haven't developed complex thought processes.
[–]RedPistola0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
More specifically, you weren't very detailed on how you carried it over to plates.
[–]SublimeProg3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's because he doesn't have any plates yet, but he has made a tinder account.
[–]1The_BitterTruth0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Title is kind of misleading - otherwise decent post.
[–]CAinCa0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
OP mentions Pavlov but what you should really look at is behaviorism and applied behavior analysis. JB Watson, and BF Skinner truly figured out how to get people to do what you want (Watson left academia to work in advertising- he basically invented the idea of a 'coffee break'). Look at casinos and how they manipulate schedules of reinforcement and learn the perils of providing non-contingent reinforcement with females. Keep them always working for your attention and the resources you're willing to share.
[–]throw174532 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Pavlov isn't actually too relevant here, as the examples in the OP are Operant conditioning.
Where the reward//punishment comes after the behaviour you are seeking to influence.
Classical conditioning is where you have a random stimuli that over time comes to be associated with an involuntary response - Bell ring before food -> dogs salivate -> over time dogs salivate just at sound of bell ringing.
[–]readgrid-1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thats why I cant get rid of one poor woman. I ignore her too much.
[–]lqtys-1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
But ghosting wouldn't be interpreted by her as (2-negative) attention? It's like a punishment you are doing for her, her hamster will interpret it as you are angry at her and thus are ghosting her, and it will reinforce the bad attitude because she knows now that she can hurt you that way.
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