Exercise shaming in the wild

AlexDr0ps · 2018-11-09T15:48:05+00:00

Related: I am currently enrolled in an Intro to Psychology course I needed to take to graduate university. The last chapter or so has been all about gender stereotypes, which translates to programming men to act as women and visa versa. One of the 'facts' I had to memorize for my last exam was that masculine stereotypes are not emotionally or physically healthy for men.

Colleges are seriously telling men that muscles are unhealthy nowadays. Completely unreal

DeontologicalSanders · 2018-11-09T16:33:01+00:00

"This drive for muscularity could be a sign that young men don’t have mastery over their lives, but they may feel that they’re mastering how to work out. In this context, in simple terms, you could say that girls vomit, while boys are much more preoccupied with exercising than normal."

Lol, did she really just compare bulimia to lifting weights? What the actual fuck?

NeedingAdvice86 · 2018-11-09T16:22:18+00:00

Good news..actually.

Because the lazy, weak fucks that want an excuse to not be fit will seize upon and NEVER actually test it for themselves.

It takes about a year then you realize that the entire world has changed and those who don't do it simply cannot understand.

Let them wallow in their ignorance.

_A_L_3_X_ · 2018-11-09T16:21:44+00:00

A friend and me being drunk sometimes got to the topic, if you could clone yourself, would you fuck yourself?

The answer for me was no, but i was fat and ugly. Today i work out, have lost weight and regained it as muscle, and now i would totally fuck myself when i look into the mirror. I feel much better, and maybe it is unhealthy and i am an addict, but being a drunk and having no self esteem is even worse.

MrCongeniality1 · 2018-11-09T17:42:34+00:00

This is classic bad interpretation and representation of science. The data from the original paper even contradicts a major point of the article - the association between depression and drive for musculature.

If you look at the table that shows the odds ratios between increased muscular drive and various health outcomes, you will see that there are two columns: one for body image satisfaction and one for exercise behaviors. The column for exercise behaviors and depression show an odds ratio of nearly 1.00 - which means that there is no observable relationship between the amount you exercise and risk of being depressed.

It does show an association between having a critical body image and scoring for depression. Do we need a lesson in tautologies? Do depressed people usually have a positive body image?

Even if we ignore the above logical fallacy, promoting fear over a 20% increased risk of a disease is almost always crying wolf. The news/media loves to clickbait anxious women every day over their 20% increased chance of breast cancer because of whatever new thing they can think of. But if you have .0001 percentage chance of getting something, increasing that chance by 20% is practically meaningless.

The data table does end by showing a fairly strong association between actively working out and using muscle building products. You gotta give it to them there...

Of course, here is the real point:

Men who internalize a male body image ideal may exhibit a drive for muscularity

Being masculine is toxic. Men who pursue strength, authority, and success are just insecure about their small dicks. Real men are secure enough to stay home to take care of children and mop floors.

Isbjornsolo · 2018-11-09T20:37:10+00:00

You’re correct is the article showing the results as a dichotomy. Modern journalism is about forcing you into one camp on the extreme of the spectrum to make it easier for you to be categorised and ultimately controlled.

However as we know exercise is a spectrum. Yes if you take it to an extreme especially at a young age <25 when the male brain is still growing. Then it could be a cause for concern for parents. However these cases will be most likely rare <0.1%. In these cases questions as proposed will most likely be beneficial for the person. If you’re training to look good for women as the article hints at through smoke and mirrors. Then this can lead to the 4 bullet points being enacted on. Especially if you have shit game and are relying solely on your looks.

Most guys want to be healthy and included within some group. Sport has always been a male “safe space” for letting off steam. Now it just happens to be the gym when 30 years ago it was football, rugby, wrestling etc.

Always be sceptical of science. The research is a Meta study meaning it brings together a large bodies of research and puts it under one set of parameters. Meaning they haven’t conducted any original research This can lead to author/researcher bias picking the points which suit their preferred outcome. I’m going to get a copy of the full paper and read through it.

My outcome from the abstract and article were that exercise and training can lead to extremes which have the potential to lead to body dysmorphia and then depression. Nothing ground breaking really. You only need to look at the increasing rate of male suicide to see this could become a serious problem.

N.B. as someone who suffered with depression, training was one of my anchors to keep me on the straight and narrow. If i didn’t train i would be in a very different place than I am today.

Now go do some deadlifts before some researcher bans them for making her weak at the knees.

2018-11-09T22:53:41+00:00

Stuff like this is great because it substantially reduces our competition as more men take this delusional half-baked advice and become soy boys. Enjoy the Decline.™

Isbjornsolo · 2018-11-09T18:35:18+00:00

Slightly off topic, but if you email the authors directly 90% of the time they will send you the paper in full.

I don't get the same "It's perfectly ok to be out of shape & fat" from the article. More that if you take things to extremes it can be deterimental to your overall health.

The article points to the fact that the previous questions were the same for young boys & girls. Which were focused on being thin etc. Generally something shown to girls that is the "ideal". A research paper even showing this in their findings during modern times of "all children are the same" shows some scientific independence.

The statements concerning the 4 points and "significant risk" are also fairly normal and it depends what is considered significant. 1 SD 2SD or 3? I would assume it will be 2SD above the mean. Which means we're looking at 2.1% of the population (assuming a gausian curve) of men surveyed being at "risk" of acting on one of the four. If we take most to be going on some sort of diet adapatation IIFYM, Keto etc. Then it shouldn't raise any eyebrows IMO.

Figures (assuming p = probability)
Depression - 1%

Binge drinking - 3% - this figure is far too low.

Dieting - 4%

Use of PEDs - <0.01%

With regards to the culture war thats taking place. I don't think this paper contributes to it at all. It shows that men and women "ideals" are different.

HurricaneHugues · 2018-11-10T00:27:26+00:00

Research done by some clueless dumb bitch on why men lift. Goes on to compare dumb bitches sticking ther fingers down their throats to men who have a passion for working out. What exactly is it that these people want with this narrative?

2018-11-10T14:47:27+00:00

There's no some body dysmorphia. Body dysmorphia is a full on mental condition that causes a person to hate their body. This hatred causes them intense depression and often interferes with love and relationships. As far as I know there is no getting past this disorder.

A good example that I can think of is a good looking incel who thinks that he is unlovable or unfuckable.

2018-11-11T13:04:20+00:00

This is awesome news. I can't wait till "working out" is considered "edgy" behaviour and gives you bad boy points amongst normies.

"You have a home gym? damnnnnn dude, that's hardcore"

As Dom Mazetti said, the first time you life something heavy is the last time you're satisfied with your body.

absolute_filth · 2018-11-10T08:58:01+00:00

Full paper here: http://sci-hub.tw/10.1002/eat.22943

ethbytes · 2018-11-10T08:08:30+00:00

They pre pubescent boy look also? Calvin Cline programming to thank for that?

We all need tin foil hats...

ex_addict_bro · 2018-11-10T15:50:00+00:00

You’ve pulled something serious it seems.

All I remember was some image with a Jewish journalist and a headline that people who exercise are more likely to turn alt right. I’ve seen it at CringeAnarchy, another quarantined sub

Verne42 · 2018-11-10T20:02:01+00:00

You can bypass the paywall of any paper with this https://sci-hub.tw Thanks for this post!

tempolaca · 2018-11-11T21:58:35+00:00

My ex-ltr cited as one of the reasons of the breakup that I only focus on gym and on my image. She's dating an out-of-shape 45 year old guy. She's 32 now so I guess she neeeded a beta-bucks.

CrikeyKay · 2018-11-09T23:51:54+00:00

And they just had to use CR7?

The other shit, I can stand. But Cr7?

untonyto · 2018-11-12T14:45:37+00:00

They are pedestalizing this trash with a paywall now?

Title	Exercise shaming in the wild
Author	nebder
Upvotes	80
Comments	68
Date	November 9, 2018 3:36 PM UTC (7 years ago)
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