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June 2, 2013
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Date June 2, 2013 4:50 PM UTC
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[–]Endorsed Contributor30303030303030 9 points10 points11 points 13 years ago* (11 children) | Copy Link

Serves him right "taking it slow" ;). Other guy just bend her over the kitchen table and fucked her. Hopefully he learned a thing from it, if not, lesson will repeat itself. He is 16-18 though, I wish some slut taught me that when I was his age.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points17 points 13 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Hopefully he learned a thing from it, if not, lesson will repeat itself.

Sadly, he won't. His entire post smacks of "my friend did me wrong" without a trace of "how did i fuck that up?"

[–]Endorsed Contributor30303030303030 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Maybe he will read few truthful comments out there or here. He really could benefit from it, I almost envy him.

[–]AlwaysLateToThreads 4 points5 points6 points 13 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I kind of do. Learning this at 16 before heading of to college would have made my college years fantastic.

[–]Endorsed Contributor30303030303030 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

exactly

[–]AlwaysLateToThreads 8 points9 points10 points 13 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

On the brightside, I'm redpill now at 24 and I still have plenty of time ahead of me. (:

[–]nillotampoco 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

See! Reading comments just like yours is what makes glad I found this place now(19) but I think I need more experience before the red pill is solidified. It all makes sense when I consider it, though I lost my virginity through white knighting when I look back I guess I was acting pretty alpha.

[–]AlwaysLateToThreads 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I think the key is to realize that most of the work in getting a girl comes in the work you do before hand. At 19 you're at possibly the lowest SMV point in your life whereas women are at the highest. Women your age we'll think they're so much more mature and better than guys their age.

Spend your time improving yourself, hit the gym and make sure you graduate in 4 years and plan for a career. A vast majority of your peers will be slobs and graduate in 6 years.

A woman is created, a man is built. Right now is the time for you to lay down a solid foundation. Staying here on TRP and reading this material will gradually improve your game and reinforce behaviors women find attractive as well.

[–]nillotampoco 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Not going to college, going merchant marines and I'll end up captaining a boat in a few years, how much will that add to my man credit?

[–]AlwaysLateToThreads 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Probably a lot more than the average college student lol.

[–]baconOclock 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Both are wrong.

He fucked up and it's still a shitty move on behalf of his "friend".

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 4 points5 points6 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I didn't get my lesson until college, sadly. Spent a semester sitting next to this girl in my computer science class. She was cute, we had similar interests, etc.

Find out she has some jock boyfriend who likes to do pushups with her sitting on his back at parties. Guy was a 2.0 GPA moron that BARELY graduated if at all. Was a slap in the face, but one that I needed.

[–]be_tru 26 points27 points28 points 13 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

Kinda sad how some guys can get so mad over some slut. At his friend no less. Holding onto the "she's worth taking it slow" idea is suicide these days.

[–][deleted] 13 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

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[–][deleted] 29 points30 points31 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Woman acts like a woman, you can't be mad at her for that.

Man didn't act like a man (bought into the bluepill frame of "respecting" and pedestalizing her) and got the lesson he deserved.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly.

"rage" isn't the only sub he's posted a story like that. Say what you want about this sub, look at how unhealthy the views of someone who doesn't follow our advice about relationships can become.

[–]Ragnar09 13 points14 points15 points 13 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Shes still a slut.

[–][deleted] 13 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

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[–]lono12 4 points5 points6 points 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

lol shut up

[–][deleted] 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

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[–]lono12 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

you're saying that hoping one of the moderators sees it and considers banning me.

My guess is you're a woman or a very feminine man.

[–]AbraxianAeon 11 points12 points13 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She kissed a guy then later in the day fucked another. I call slut.

[–]socal83 6 points7 points8 points 13 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

what are you talking about, sluts are awesome

hell i wouldn't get laid one tenth as much without them

[–]TRP VanguardVZPurp 12 points13 points14 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

in sluts we thrust

[–]veggie_girl 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This needs to be the new slogan for r/seduction.

[–]TRP VanguardVZPurp 4 points5 points6 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

they'd never dare these days

[–]lono12 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

shes a slut.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The weird part is, she did not even say she wants to take it slow! Or at least he did not say she said it. I mean when she does, one can decide how seriously to take it. But to decide one sidedly that she worths it? By all means, push on and let her prove she worths it by saying a very clear, very firm take-it-slow, not-today! This guy just decided to pedestal her on his own.

[–]Pugilanthropist 9 points10 points11 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is going to be wildly controversial, I suspect, but that friend sucks. Yeah, this guy really needs to learn some lessons in life in general. But, having been in situations similar to that on both sides of the coin, I just don't do that to my friends. Girls are like buses, wait 15 minutes, another one comes by. But if I have a friend that's that much in need of help ... well, doing that will just ruin whatever self esteem he has left, which will hurt him.

Now ... if I was drunk on the other hand.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 15 points16 points17 points 13 years ago (34 children) | Copy Link

So his friend is a huge alpha male it sounds like and he's his beta wingman...

I'm actually a bit torn about this. After all a common sentiment among TRP'ers is 'Bros before Hos' which he sorta violated. Also if he's got that much game he shouldn't have to pick up the girl his friend was working on.

On the other hand, she's a bitch and went from making out with him to fucking his best friend in the same fucking night. Obviously not potential GF material for a beta wingman so he might have just saved him a whole bunch of heartache.

[–]pirateundies 6 points7 points8 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Not to defend the friend, because it doesn't sound like he had good intentions at heart, but you probably could have told this guy he had this girl on a pedestal and he never would have listened until he found out she'd actually slept with someone other than him at some point in her life.

The story is also so poorly written it's hard to say if she's a shitry person or the guy was just creating some ideal romantic fantasy in his head.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 4 points5 points6 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah...

Then again I guess another thing to consider the fact he's so infatuated with her after a few hours of hanging out... I think he's confusing sexual attraction for love. There is no such thing as love at first sight, that is something that only happens after months or years in a LTR.

[–]veggie_girl 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

It also doesn't mention whether or not this girl was a virgin.

A virgin is the only type of girl that it is "worth" taking it slow with. But today even that is becoming less and less true.

If she was a virgin and pulled shit like that then I'm completely flummoxed.

Basically, a guy should never be the one to propose "taking it slow" unless he is just using it as a ploy to make the girl feel comfortable. When using it as part of game like that the man needs to be confident or else it will just backfire.

[–]yankeetiger 5 points6 points7 points 13 years ago (30 children) | Copy Link

How is a girl a bitch for hooking up with several guys she's attracted to, while going all the way with the more attractive one? We do the same damn thing without a hint of remorse.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 4 points5 points6 points 13 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link

Yeah... good point maybe she's just thinking with her vagina. Just like guys think with their dicks. She wants the ride the cock carousel with as many alphas as she can.

[–]yankeetiger -4 points-3 points-2 points 13 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link

Thank you. I think TRP as a whole really needs to talk out its issues with hating women who do the exact same things as we do. They use their sexual advantage to get the best partners- why should they be shamed for that? I can't stand guys blaming women for doing things hypergamy orders them to do.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 8 points9 points10 points 13 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Well to put it bluntly... it's almost diametrically opposed.

Men SMV go up when they bang more chicks. Also goes up when they get older (become a better provider), etc...

Women's SMV goes down when they ride the cock carousel. It also goes down as they get older (loss of fertility and looks), etc...

If a woman were using her sexual advantage to find the best partners she'd be focusing on older more established men (30+) while she is at her SMV peak (like 18-25ish) and secure a guy before hitting the wall. Problem is most women ride the cock carousel too long and find out that instead of being able to bag a guy who is an 8 or a 9 she's only able to secure a guy who is a 5 or a 6.

[–]yankeetiger 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Question: is is the actual act of rising the carousel that lowers a woman's SMV, or is it just that time spent on the carousel puts a woman past her peak?

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 11 points12 points13 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I would say it's a combination of both.

Noone wants a woman who's fucked 50 other guys for a LTR. At best she'd be a girl to pump and dump. Likewise the longer time spent on the carousel is time ticking down to hitting The Wall.

I find it funny that Women even acknowledge 'The Wall' exists, they call it the 'Biological Clock' but they frame it in terms of absolute fertility (Menopause, when they cant have kids anymore). We frame it in terms of SMV, when a woman's value drops to the point where she can no longer attract high quality men.

[–]yankeetiger 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's funny/sad how, deep down, their hindbrain knows that they're past expiration date, but they think that if they change the terminology it'll change the problem.

[–]veggie_girl 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Just like changing the sizes.

I used to be a size 6 but now I'm a size 4. I haven't lost weight or fat or muscle. I think periodically the fashion industry shifts women's sizes up a notch to make them feel better about themselves.

"Oh look, I went down a size. Woohoo. Time to go buy some new clothes!"

[–]luxury_banana 6 points7 points8 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I hope this answers your questions.

[–]yankeetiger 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Really does, thanks. That's crazy to grasp.

[–]Modredpillschool[M] 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No concern trolling, first strike.

Listen to redbigman, he knows what he's taking about.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I think TRP as a whole really needs to talk out its issues with hating women who do the exact same things as we do.

This sub has absolutely nothing to do with hating women. It's about understanding the decisions they make and applying it to sexual strategy. This has been mentioned several times. Anything beyond that is a personal belief outside of the scope of this sub.

[–]yankeetiger 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

True, but it's counterproductive to just pretend like the problem doesn't exist. Just because the sub doesn't officially advocate for it doesn't mean that it has no effect on our aims.

[–]veggie_girl 4 points5 points6 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I've only seen 1-2 posters in here that hate women, and they are always downvoted.

The rest of everyone just comes off as very bitter at what women do. And I can't blame them for being bitter. It's the same reaction someone has after finding out they've been lied to.

Our culture of single mothers and male-shaming results in boys growing up being told that women like a man who is like B.
It's not a complete lie, but it's withholding all of the important information. The truth is that what women really want is a man that is like A. If he a little bit like B that is just a bonus.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

See my response to the thread you posted on this very subject.

[–]TRP VanguardVZPurp 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Women like men who have been successful with other women (preselection). For sexual encounters as well as relationships.

Men do not want LTRs with sluts, but they sure can be nice to fuck and make for an easier time satisfying sexual desire. For LTRs/marriage we want girls with the lowest partner count.

That's just how it is. There is no double standard; men and women just have different standards for how they evaluate partners.

There are many parameters outside of sex that are judged differently as well. For example, emotions and their display. Women can be emotional and be attractive to men. The same can't be said for men.

I'm not saying a woman can't or shouldn't do as she pleases regarding sex, but she ought to be aware of what men are attracted to if she's interested in long term partners with high value men.

With that said, the posted story is a bit different. That dude just wasn't engaging in attractive (masculine) behaviour. Nothin' wrong with a girl not wanting anything to do with that.

[–]yankeetiger 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Personally, does the number of sex partners a woman has had factor in a all for you? Just curious.

[–]TRP VanguardVZPurp 5 points6 points7 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

For LTRs, yes. I don't commit anything to promiscuous women or women with high partner counts. I consider it a liability due to hypergamy.

For sex in general, no.

However, at this point in my life, I'm not looking for any LTRs, so it all doesn't really matter. Just gotta wrap it up and play it safe :P

[–]Ragnar09 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

We hate them because we are not animals. Humans should be able to use logic and not act just on instinct.

[–]yankeetiger 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Think about how quickly, in absolute terms, we developed society. It took us two thousand years to develop everything around us. Evolution takes millions of years- so, evolutionarily speaking, we are still animals and still slaves to our animal desires.

[–]Ragnar09 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Can animals do all humans have achieved? No they cant. Humans are above all life forms for this very reason.

[–]yankeetiger 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

When we figured out the dynamics of human relationships, it didn't change us in any way. We just became aware of our animalistic tendencies.

[–]Ragnar09 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Just keep calling yourself an animal then

[–]n0c0ntr0l 4 points5 points6 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You think you AREN'T an animal?

[–]yankeetiger 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Uh, okay?

[–]lono12 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

she's a slut.

[–]yankeetiger -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

We encourage being a slut among our own kind, though. How are you not seeng the blatant double standard you've set? This is the kind of stuff The Blue Pill gets on our case for.

[–]lono12 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

you wanna complain about double standards talk to mother nature. shes the one that made us two separate genders with two separate functions.

[–]yankeetiger -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't want to complain about double standards. I just want to avoid making them in the first place.

[–]lono12 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

ok.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

However, I decided not to push it any further, as I genuinely like her and didn't want it to be a one night thing, so we just cuddled on the sofa. After maybe half an hour, my friend came in and asked her to help him clean something up in the kitchen (It's worth noting at this point the girl he was interested in had left). I thought nothing of it, and eventually dozed off. In the morning, he told me he fucked her, which she later confirmed.

Oh god.

[–]JohnPeel 5 points6 points7 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He basically had it in the bag... and did nothing.

[–]musicvita25 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Dont hate the player. Hate the game.

[–]tempoaccts 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

On one hand, OP should have made a direct move without worrying about whether it'd be a "one night thing". For all he knows she was waiting for him to do precisely this because perhaps that's all she wanted (from his point of view at the time, not in hindsight). Instead, he whiffed and his room-mate swept in clearly did not make that same mistake.

Considering how dispensable this girl's sex is, it seems like a net negative move on the part of the friend. Even if he was looking to sleep with her at some point later, which would still be pretty bad, he could have at least spared his boy's dignity. That sounds pretty embarrassing and wasn't even necessary.

[–]W-Z-R 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

While it's annoying how he blames his friend and not the girl (why do people do this seriously?) the sad, sad thing is that if he actually wanted a real relationship with her, fucking her would probably have actually helped.

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