Islam and the Redpill

christmas6151 · 2016-12-19T22:08:30+00:00

This is dumb, most of this also exists in Christianity and other religions, in fact it exists in any conservative society where the family unit acts as the glue (like the USA in the 50s).

People have negative opinions of Islam because Islam is conniving and sneaky, teaches shit like taqiya (deception until you get the upper hand then destroying those you deceived) and that the greatest prophet fucked a 9 year old.

Even putting aside that lets look at places that exist where Islam is the dominant culture,

Saudi Arabia. WOW Arabia looks so nice and peaceful, except its a nation rich in crude oil who is only where it is because of that oil artificially keeping their economy afloat - and when that runs out(which is very soon as other nations are slowly pulling away to become energy dependent) they are back to herding sheep.

Iran/Iraq. constant war, leaders repeatedly says "death to america" because America is a super power, why? Because we worked hard and gave people freedom instead of denying it to them for shit reasons, in fact the foundation of the USA is true freedom where women can choose to be slutty or prude, because of this we are stronger than they are so they hate us; this is classic nerd hating the jock, yep sounds red pilled to me. Also the Birth place of ISIS, seems very good for a society...

Turkey. Just had a 'civil war', and before you tell me Turkey is an agnostic country, it was until Erdogan started setting up Islamic leaders in high places throughout the country, then faked a coup to grant himself even more powers, again taqiya in action.

Germany. This is just for laughs, Germany(and a host of other European nations) opened their doors to these bastions of red pilled people and are now in constant cycles of Terrorist attacks and Sweden is now the rape capitol of the world, don't know what you've been reading but this sub doesn't promote rape (despite what SJWS believe).

OK throw all that out because thats not what you are talking about right? You mean the religion if practiced perfectly? Well goodluck finding people who would do that. Hell look at how bastardizes and splintered virtually every religion is, even the catholic church (the arguably most virtuous, [or atleast it trys to be] christian church) is constantly under charge for pedophilia. Point is even if the teachings say be a good person, the parts where Mohammad was literally a war general sorta nullifies that and makes people think they should do the same, hence the caliphate; people aren't perfect and those imperfect people would act under islam the same way they already do around the world.

Don't believe me? Lookup these same middle east nations before Islam took them over, they once were part of something great, sexy women with freedom to be slutty or conservative, no garbage bags and on track, and then they fell into chaos. Arabia is an exception so far as they have money and nothing else listed, but like I said, even that is a sleight of hand trick because of the oil money, which they lucked out on.

Conclusion: Say what you will about islam, but it definitely makes people happier and better globally (If applied correctly).

No it doesn't, and your caveat "if applied correctly" is just as retarded as saying "lets all just get along, and if applied correctly would create world peace" its not technically wrong, its just naive and the world isn't so simple.

Islam acknowledges they literally can't control themselves. Solution? Eliminate those conditions.

This sentence contradicts itself, there is no solution if this is what you believe, because this is a bandaid not a solution, TRP has its own bandaid, its called pump em and dump em, not try and control them, which ironically is how you make it worse.

The whole world thinks muslims are retarded controlling fucktards because of the rules we have for men and women, let's take a look:

Because they are, as described above.

deathsnuggle · 2016-12-19T18:05:35+00:00

People think Islam is an ass backwards ideology for multiple reasons. Mostly because it restricts personal freedoms.

I'm going to try not to bash your religion because like you said you're just tossing ideas around and not trying to convert anybody.

However, it's no secret countries with an Islamic majority are war torn. War breeds alpha males.

TRP is about being an alpha male, being the best you can be as a man. Of course you're going to see parallels between the two, but that in no way means Islam teaches TRP.

plutorising92 · 2016-12-19T19:15:25+00:00

I'll say this: what you're saying, everything except praying 5 times a day is found in Hindu culture as well. I can't say this about all religions obviously, but I'm sure most of these were culturally enforced one way or another in earlier times, when the ancients knew how to treat women.

Its feminism which fucks everything up. I'll give you just 2 examples:-

Hindu women are supposed to wear a ghunghat(veil), wear proper saris and not talk to other men at all(that's how it was traditionally). Even when they did, they were not supposed to address them by name or look directly at them. The male was the head of the household and ran entire joint families with his decisions. Now it has been twisted by feminists like so: A sari is sexy, sensual and can reveal exactly how much the woman wants(depending on the time of the month basically), talking and even flirting is no taboo, and well, if you're too modern to wear a sari(which no one does now anyway), wear tight ass jeans, deep tops and display your goods. And of course, they're "strong independent women" now.
Western women were also supposed to wait(I think) before the sexual revolution hit and it all went south.

I'd also like to point out that there is no perfect convergence of alpha and beta traits. Such a man exists only in women's dreams, don't make the mistake of trying to be the perfect 'Alpha Provider'. There is a reason women have a dualistic sexual strategy.

The most important thing before I go: ALL religions are just lifestyles and all of them combined with their old cultural values will show you red pill truths in one form or another. Religion is just a tool. All civilizations discovered RP truths a long time ago, feminist conditioning is what has ruined us. I won't be surprised if Islam is also turned on its head in the future by hypergamy.

yallapapi · 2016-12-19T23:20:00+00:00

Say what you want about hardcore Muslims, they know how to keep their women in line. Not condoning it by any means, but strictly from a societal standpoint I find it interesting, to say the least.

That said, I lived in the Middle East for several years and always admired how much more manly the men over there were than your average American man. Even the secular ones.

EDIT: Also, ignore everyone jumping down your throat for trying to say something good about Islam. So much for keeping an open mind.

BlackJ1 · 2016-12-19T20:42:20+00:00

The problem I have with Islam is simply the fact that it punishes people for not following a specific lifestyle.

Yes, we all want women who are chaste, monogamous, submissive, and faithful. I get that, however I respect someone's decision to NOT choose that lifestyle. Sure the one's who do not choose that lifestyle will be invisible to me, but I'm not going to fucking whip or stone them for it.

Men may see Islam as "redpill", but honestly it's more pro blue pill as it rewards the common beta bux.

Beegsi_ · 2016-12-20T05:38:37+00:00

Non Muslim men will complain about Islam not allowing them to be with women they are not married to but will then cry when their girl cheats.

Al3s · 2016-12-19T19:14:34+00:00

I think you are a little confused.

I'm not a redpiller per se, I don't usually hang around here, but it seems to me that the whole point is to aknowledge how the game is played and why, and make the better of it with your cards, not forcing people to do things a single way because God (more like a way of controlling the masses)

wallpunchist · 2016-12-19T18:10:59+00:00

I dont consider myself atheist but Ive questioned islam and am still questioning it

Proper respect for that, brother. Questioning is the path of reason.

No porc: it's not healthy, you can eat it but it won't help you with them abs.

Pork. But bacon feels so good...

thearnav · 2016-12-19T21:36:13+00:00

Ok no I'm going to downvote this shit right fucking away.

Jay-jay1 · 2016-12-19T22:56:43+00:00

Is it true that Islam in the Middle East (and maybe elsewhere) allows the buggering of boys as a substitute for a woman for men who are not married? Is it also true that such buggering is considered heterosexual in Islam, but only because the man is "giving sex" to the victim rather than "receiving sex", and because the boy chosen as a victim is prepubescent and not considered yet to be truly male? If any of this is true, how then can Islam be good?

jeezydasnowman · 2016-12-19T16:25:57+00:00

Fuck Islam, and religion. We need it for OTHERS or else society would crumble. As SELF, however, to know the red pill and still beleive in religion is delusional.

Edit - The thing about religion is its absolutely necessary for society to continue. Without it men would stop being corporate drones and our economy would crumble. Everything around you is blue pill - school, church, the office, your favorite bar, the club. The wonderful thing about the blue pill is that it's the safe way. The 80% are going to choose that safe blissfully ignorant lifestyle because it works for them. Only those of us who are angry enough can choose this alternative, dangerous road.

As a Christ/Allah cuck you are even more likely going to fail miserably at getting out of a deadbedroom Secular mrp has maybe a 25% success rate; I'd rate religious beta's chances closer to 5-10% since everything you do has to be approved by your pastor/Islamic equivalent.

The good news is if you are lifting and you are with a submissive woman - she may do what she is told once you figure out how to actually get her wet for you.

There are 5 components to a successful, sexual mrp marraige. Lifting, passing shit tests, being confident, being charismatic, and not giving a fuck.

These directly contradict the bible/quaran which encourages meekness (not confidence), long suffering (not able to pass shit tests), glorifying God (not charisma - glory of self), and sobriety (not ngaf).

subjectivealpha · 2016-12-19T17:25:04+00:00

Yeah except for the fact that certain facets of Islam are currently terrorizing the West.

StuttBuffer · 2016-12-19T19:11:04+00:00

With the exception of polygamy, every red pill aspect of islam is found in some form in all the major monotheisms. The reason that islam seems unique in that regard nowadays is that the Islamic world has lagged behind the west at least since the enlightenment. Christendom was very red pill a couple hundred years ago. Also, the red pill principles found in abrahamic religions are vastly outweighed by superstitious mumbojumbo.

pedopedopito · 2016-12-20T02:13:28+00:00

Are you delusional? Islam doesn't allow single men to approach women in public. How can you hit on women if your religion AND society forbids it? I lived in Saudi Arabia for 4 years and got mad pussy because the compound I lived in was for expats only, and everyone understood that we were pretty much each other's only choice. The moment I'd leave that place I'd literally have ZERO chances to get laid, hell I could get thrown in jail for speaking to a woman at the mall. Coffees, Restaurants, etc are all segregated by singles/families, you can't even see women if you go out. Arabs are the most beta culture, that's why most western women see them as creeps because they not only are not used to being surrounded by beautiful women but also being able to approach them. Women see that thirst, and that is a big con.

Conceited-Monkey · 2016-12-20T07:50:41+00:00

Islam makes people happier and better? Wow. Ever read the news?

Billee_Boyee · 2016-12-22T11:46:35+00:00

"Most of what you guys preach here already exists in islam."

We don't preach pedophilia. We don't preach murder. We don't preach genocide.

Your prophet was a lunatic. Anyone who worships a lunatic is an idiot.

I plan to have falafel for lunch today, but that doesn't make Islam justifiable. Go back to the Middle East, and save Trump the trouble of deporting you.

sen_man · 2016-12-19T16:28:00+00:00

Good post. Not a Muslim, but I definitely understand where you're coming from and appreciate your view.

JamesSkepp · 2016-12-19T17:47:32+00:00

Women are supposed to obey their husbands

Not husbands. Alpha males. If she's attracted to you, she will comply. If you demand obedience without earing it, you're demanding sexual welfare.

Islam acknowledges they (women) literally can't control themselves. Solution? Eliminate those conditions.

Beta AND pathetic. If you put the work in, she will be worried about YOU cheating.

BTW: this entire paragraph was cringeworthy.

Women are not supposed to fuck before marriage:

Women are supossed to do whatever the fuck they want. If she has high n-count and you wife her up, guess who's fault is that? Want virgin Aishas everywhere, give example by leading not by demanding.

No alcohol:No porn: No drugs/smoking:No porc:

Everything is for the people, provided it's not done in abusive quantities. Besides pork b/c pork is not redpill :D

Men can marry multiple wives

Outdated concept anyway (marriage).

Men can't fuck a girl they're not married to:

Same thing as in "no sex before marriage part".

Say what you will about islam, but it definitely makes people happier and better globally (If applied correctly).

That's what they said about socialism too. "The ideals were right, just poorly executed".

In the case of socialim and islam, "executed" seems to be the main problem of anyone who lived or lives under it's rule.

Al3s · Tue Dec 20 7:10:31 2016 UTC

Redpilling people, one truck at a time.

ManWithGoldenGun · 2016-12-20T13:12:51+00:00

The similarities between the sexual strategy of trp and Islam are just that. Looking at the system as a whole the package deal of Islam is certainly not worth the trade off and sacrifice of all things which Western Civilization was built upon.

The "sexual strategy" of Islam is built on demoting women to second class citizens who are subject to a litany of human rights abuses and degradations - especially where Islamic/Sharia law is enforced or supported by the local government.

Facts are that Islam has been at war with the west for 100s of years, the Crusades were not some idealistic battle to expand Christianity, but rather to stem the tide of Islamic invaders who had been occupying Christian civilization for decades.

While the Wests foreign policy of the last 80 years most certainly had a hand in reinvigorating Islam to the point it is today, it would be without hindsight to suggest that this outbreak of violence and the commands for holy war are the first from the Islamic world in their history.

While I hold religions of all types in contempt for being systems which can stifle mans capacity to think critically, Islam is the worst offender as it has never gone through reformations in the way that the Christian/Catholic churches have, refuses to do so and views our liberal (classical definition) society as something which need be destroyed.

Islam as an ideology is toxic to Western democracies and civilization. No amount of "but here's how Islam is good" can or will ever justify the evil of that belief system on the whole.

TheBaconPancakes · Mon Dec 19 18:20:29 2016 UTC

I was raised a Muslim, I don't believe in Islam, but I have to admit it's some pretty red pill shit. This post didn't even include everything mentioned in the teachings of how men should deal with women. There's the preaching of the Imam Ali Bin Abi Talib on stoicism, the nofap rules, etc...

failatsomething · 2016-12-19T19:31:06+00:00

Interesting post OP. Props for posting. Using your examples, Islam makes law what the red pill teaches should be practiced socially.

One of the great things about life is breaking down barriers to enjoy freedoms. That's why people look forward to retirement and more sensible people do things like become entrepreneurs and others date multiple people. Islam removes freedom. Islam lays down a strict life plan that governs many aspects of life.

Islam lays down laws to follow that follow very primal societies. Primal societies were more in touch with their animal behaviors, which is a healthy thing to be in touch with and practice. Red pill says the same (go to gym, date multiple women, no pork. I kid).

However, people can do what they want in life. That's what's great about the West is the opportunity to choose. A woman can choose to slut it up and a dude can choose to have one-itis for that slut.

Red pill teaches men to be in touch with our primitive selves and to be aware of the primitive nature of other humans. Red pill is about practicing this in a free society.

So again, it's cool you posted this OP expecting backlash (deserved backlash lol). Red pill does not seek to make law the rules and restrictions of Islam. Red pill is about choosing a path that will lead to my happiness, not about following the patch chosen by law.

Battle-Scars · 2016-12-20T03:21:39+00:00

Religion and politics should get the fuck off this sub. You're not going to change anybody's mind when it comes to those two things. There's a reason you don't talk about those two things at a party. Let's get back to discussing fucking more women and how best to do that.

scissor_me_timbers00 · 2016-12-20T15:01:24+00:00

Islam currently is decayed but I have great respect for the heritage of this great religion, especially its golden age

SoulRedemption · 2016-12-21T02:06:58+00:00

I get the feeling that you are either too close to this at heart and biased, or have been reading up on the most recent news and turned a blind eye on the countries that are doing well. Or haven't actually paid much attention to how their non secular governments work nor the how the countries can or have interacted and supported each other. You have not touched up on the revolutions that have taken place, nor the fact about how certain governments have fallen apart, civil wars, Arab springs, middle eastern countries that tried to invade others, the culture and where it stems from. Undeniably involvement of western countries have had an ill effect. But you make it sound like America and Zionists is the only reason middle East is war torn. Cuz now-a-days for people who do not know how to look at things unbiasedly or want to point a finger tends to just drop comments like what you did. When I was young, I used to think the same as you. Anyways. You don't need to get defensive and this sub is not a political sub. I think I've invested my fair share of energy to this topic here.

moinfofl · 2016-12-21T05:29:11+00:00

3 religious posts in one day!? Must be a record. Badr said everything I wish I could try to explain. There are hypocrites and pedophiles from all religious backgrounds, unfortunate and disgusting as it is. I wish I could find a girl who fears God and respects herself and others. Unfortunately they're harder and harder to find.

samurai96 · 2017-01-13T20:40:56+00:00

Salam brother.

Why bother talking to these kufaar? They don't understand how life works; most of them are unmarried young boys and the ones that are married are married miserably. Let them fall on their face enough times and inshallah God will guide them.

For now, save your breath for dhikr.

bedaking · 2017-02-03T11:56:09+00:00

Islam and RedPill do have a some things in common. But they are very different in construct. RedPill is more of an individual strategy than a social one. Redpill cares only about you. RedPill wants you to be alpha by your choice. If its not your choice, then no pressure.

Islam is not like that. As a religion it dictates that all males must be alpha. That's why it creates a social construct where the men are respected as alpha by default. And yes, that does let a lot of beta males get the alpha treatment without earning it. But Islam has other constructs like "Jihad" that help the men turn into Alphas.

And the culture of marrying with a big age difference also helps a lot with problems regarding gender roles, fertility and SMV mismatch.

badr911 · 2016-12-19T17:00:26+00:00

salamu alaykum brother, fellow Muslim here.

I see your sentiment but it will never be accepted by most red pillers. The red pill is all about sexual strategy, emancipation, personal liberty, sprinkled with hedonism for the individual in this life. Islam is more, its a religion with a way of doing things in every aspect of life. We Muslims strive for the hereafter and are committed to wilful submission to God. The law of Thelema is more appropriate to Red pillers which is "Do what thou wilt".

uniquevoid · 2016-12-19T19:47:53+00:00

Islam is perfect, muslims are not; Learn Islam from Islam, not from muslims.

This is something westerns are unable to understand.

What I see in men who say religion is bullshit is that they want a low n-count submissive woman without paying any price. How are you gonna find these women if you are fucking anything that walks (and most in TRP don't even get laid so it's even funnier).

First acknowledge that TRP is a one sided philosophy that WILL never serve society as a whole. If you want a fair world for your children then Islam is the truth, otherwise get your own laid count to 100 and watch Europe and the States burn like it's doing now

And lastly, neckbeards who have no structure in their life tell believers that they are dumb for following religion. Islam is a system, a way of life, a discipline, a philosophy not just believing in an 'imaginary guy with a beard who watches from the sky'

Title	Islam and the Redpill
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