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[–]PemBayliss 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
1) Call a lawyer and follow his advice. DO WHAT THE LAWYER TELLS YOU TO DO AND FOLLOW HIS/HER ADVICE TO THE LETTER. Do what the lawyer tells you, nothing less and nothing more.
If you hire a lawyer, and the lawyer tells you to do something other than in the paragraphs below, do that. Do not follow any advice, including advice given here, that conflicts with what your lawyer tells you to do.
when you talk to that lawyer, tell him/her EVERYTHING, including all the "bad stuff" (because there is some "bad stuff" or else you wouldn't have a Title IX officer asking to talk to you). Omit NOTHING from what you tell the lawyer. If you have texts/documents/papers, get them, and give them to the lawyer.
2) Talk to the Title IX officer and ask why they want to talk to you. Get as much information as you can possibly get. DO not give him any information other than where and when you can meet in person. Ask for a written statement of what it is about. Ask for the name of the accuser. Ask for copies of any papers, documents or evidence they have against you.
3) Do not give him any information over the phone. Do not ask shit like "is this about ________, the girl I had sex with about a year ago?" If he tells you that it's about the girl, don't answer any questions on the phone until you get to the in person meeting.
4) At all times, reiterate that when you had sex it was always consensual. Don't talk about specifics -- reiterate that the sex was always voluntary.
5) Always, always, always cooperate and be as forthcoming as you can without prejudicing yourself. Always be polite, courteous and reasonable. Ask for things, don't demand. Be polite, but be firm and assertive. Ask until you either get an answer or until you're told you won't be getting an answer.
[–]Abundance13 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
Right so the officer wants to meet with me today. I don't feel prepared I exchanged some emails and thought I could get some more information. All I know so far is that there has been a "complaint" against me. I asked the officer if it was wise for me to bring a legal adviser with me to the meeting. She said that we were only going to do the "basics" and that I would not need one, She said that if I wanted to that I could do that after. Yes I am looking up Lawyers now. Do you know of any good ones that can give me free legal advice? P.S this is at a liberal college campus.
Three questions: 1. Should I show up to this meeting without an advisor? 2. Should I ask who my accuser is through email? 3. What do "basics" mean? 4. Should I reschedule until I feel prepared?
[–]1ToSeeAndToHear0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
1 - No, have an attorney present; even if there aren't any criminal charges now, you want to be protected against saying anything incriminating that could be used against you in a trial.
2 - Consult with your attorney first.
3 - "Basics" means that you 'should not be worried', so you will tell them what they want to know and be screwed over.
4 - Yes, absolutely, if there's a way to reschedule this until you've found an attorney, do so.
[–]Abundance13 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thanks for your comments, will do.
[–]TrainingTheBrain 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
This isn't a legal or tech forum, so you'd be better off not coming here as if you did some fucked up shit, then they may end up coming to this sub too through your search history.
I used to have sex with about a year ago Stupidly I deleted her number and the texts that we exchanged.
I used to have sex with about a year ago
Stupidly I deleted her number and the texts that we exchanged.
This doesn't add up as I delete my texts daily, why do you think it was stupid to delete from a year ago??
Don't say anything without a lawyer and talk with your phone company to get records to support anything you feel may aid you.
[–]Abundance13 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I know for a fact that I did not rape anyone. I'm just asking for advice. Thanks for your reply. I figured it was a stupid idea because as I was deleting them I was a bit paranoid and thought to myself that she seemed kinda pissed when we broke it off and she might might try to screw me somehow.
[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
You are actually asking the person trying to roast your ass out of college whether or not you should have a lawyer present while they question you in order to gather evidence to incriminate you in a sexual assault? Are you serious?
Of course you bring a fucking lawyer, numbskull! This "Title 9 Officer" is not your friend, and is not trying to do you any favors.
That's like the US Army calling up ISIS and asking whether or not they should bring guns to the invasion.
Christ, I am so fucking happy I didn't go to college.
[–]Abundance13 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Lol, Thanks for making it clear
[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
They don't want you to bring a lawyer because they are lawyers. Do not answer any questions without legal counsel. I know it costs $$, but it's gonna cost less than a rape accusation.
[–]Abundance13 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Indeed, do you think I can sue the school for stress? I have had to make a few adjustments to my school schedule because of this. Also do you think I can sue her for defamation?
[–]1ToSeeAndToHear0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm a law student, and not your lawyer, but my two cents:
This is the same school you're attending, yeah? You probably can't sue them for making a good faith investigation on a rape claim. You might be able to do something if you can prove they knew it was false or something, but that's really unlikely.
As for the girl, save it until you're done paying your lawyer for this case, then talk to him about it. You don't want to get involved in - and pay for - any more litigation than you have to. And you'd have the burden of proof in such a case.
[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Administrative officials don't text you as a first line of communication. You're being played. This isn't real. Don't respond to the text. Act like you never got it. See if you get a legit phone call or written communication later.
If you get a phone call, ask what this is about, ask for the name and contact information of the person you're speaking with, ask what they want and why. Don't say anything, just ask questions. Do not answer questions. Do not agree to meet anywhere or do anything. If the person on the other end pushes for a meeting, simply state that this sounds serious and request that you be provided with a formal request, in writing, stating what this is all about and what you're being asked to do and when so your attorney can review it.
[–]Abundance13 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Yeah actually it was an email from the school. The officer did want to meet with me and go over the "basics". She said I did not need a lawyer for our meeting but that I could consult one if I chose to after. Should I still ask for a formal letter after this?
[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Yes.
"I haven't done anything wrong. If I'm being accused of or investigated for anything, I'm taking this very seriously. I'd like whatever formal notice the school usually provides for this type of thing in writing to have my attorney review, and I intend to be represented at this and every meeting."
Got a formal letter, I need a lawyer. FML. It's ok the truth shall set me free...right?
[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If only. An attorney will help you minimize your exposure. The university's job isn't to find the truth. It's to make sure it takes some kind of action responsive to a rape claim to cover its ass. Your lawyer needs to make sure that action is the minimum possible to look serious about rape but not significantly harm your future.
[–]Capt_ShitNuts 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
since when do officers text people? sounds fishy. Anyway, it won't help much now but if you have an android, SMSBackup is an app that will send all of your text messages to a gmail account. and it's free. it also backs up your recent call list and pic messages. I have literately thousands of messages from the past 4 years in my SMS folder and they take up very little space on your account.
Edit:spelling. Also, it backs up in almost real time. so if your phone gets stolen or seized, no one can delete the backups by simply deleting the messages from the phone. just wanted to add that part.
[–]Abundance13 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah too late to back up my phone now. It was actually an email. Sorry. Thanks for replying
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Don't say anything. Lawyer up.
[–]ComradeCynic0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
IF they are meeting with you, they are probably trolling for more info so that they can charge you. Treat them, always, politely, but remember: this is a person who gets rewarded for proving that there is sexual harassment on campus; this person is not interested in the truth.
The other advice to get a lawyer is wise - they will drop you and look for another, softer target.
[–]Abundance13 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link
I figured that. I will lawyer up. They wanted to meet today but I'm going to cancel and wont give them a reschedule date. I will have them serve me if they want to talk. Do you think this is wise?
[–]Senior ContributorMentORPHEUS1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Probably the smartest plan you have posted ITT.
[–]theultmatecad 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
From a legal perspective I agree.
I'd be curious about school rules and regulations. Is it possible to be expelled for blowing off campus disciplinary actions?
It's time to have an attorney sift through this mess for you
[–]ComradeCynic0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Check all I write with a lawyer of course!
I think if you retain a lawyer, then the school will send all written communication to the lawyer, at least (though it might cost a bit more) this is what you want.
They may try to meet with you without your lawyer present. They may try to do this in a sneaky way, like meeting with you as you walk out of a seminar or what not. You should never allow this.
Remember that this Title 9 lawyercunt is not interested in the truth. She believes ALL MEN , ALL THE TIME, ARE RAPISTS. You will never be innocent in her eyes, only, that there is not enough evidence to put you away.
[–]1raceAround1260 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is toxic femininity. The fact we live in an age where a ~20 year old college student has to get a lawyer for a meeting with a school official lest his life depend on it means this is just all sorts of fucked the hell up.
[–]dabrah10 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
you would think if it was something serious they would give you a fucking call instead of texting you
They emailed me from the school sorry for the confusion. I fixed it in the comments above now.
[–]dabrah10 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
no problem. Just listen to everyone else. When you meet with them, say as little as possible, and if they try to charge you witha anything get a lawyer immediately.
[–]Senior ContributorMentORPHEUS0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Find out what this is about, say NOTHING without a lawyer, and post personal advice requests with adequate info to work with in AskTRP.
Thank you for your reply. I will.
[–]Rasalom72[🍰] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
How the fuck do you know it's real? It could be someone fucking with you. Verify the identity of the person/ number, and if it's legit, get a fucking lawyer.
Then you don't even TALK to the fucker. You direct him, and every other communication through your lawyer. The only thing you should reply to any officer of the court with EVER is "Please direct all further communications to [Name and number of lawyer]."
If a police officer asks to meet you, it means that they don't have enough to arrest you. They want you to give them enough to arrest you. Do not invite them into your home. Do not invite them onto your property. If they come to your home and "want to talk" you can refuse and ask them to leave.
Don't say shit to cops of any type without a lawyer. They will try to ask you stupid shit to get you talking... "Do you NEED a lawyer?" type crap. Just STFU and be stoic. If they have enough to arrest you, they will. Then they will ask questions.
Sorry I meant to say it was an email, from my college campus. It is a title IX officer and they want to meet up with me to go over the "basics" whatever that means. She scheduled a time to meet up with me but asked me if it was a good time to meet so I could have said no. Anyway, she said I didn't need an adviser for our basic meeting today. She said I can chose to involve one after. What do you guys think? Should I reschedule?
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