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[–]1TrenGod37 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
She doesn’t have to envy you to want to fuck you. You just have to be better than her. High value.
I’ve fucked a lot of women who definitely did envy me. I also fucked a lot more who didn’t. Who were in “awh” of me. Or just saw me as out of their league, intimidating, or just thought I was fucking hot. It was their pleasure to be with me. There was no envy involved.
I agree with the basis of what your Post is saying most of the point make sense. but there doesn’t have to be envy for there to be attraction.
[–]vwzwv 32 points33 points34 points 8 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Good framework but too much, "Be attractive", "Be rich", and "it's that simple".
Not to signal you out. rtrp have a lot of good 'general framework' posts (too many) and not enough specific posts on how to be attractive, rich ect. The real gems that come through rtrp are the lessons about posture, finding your deeper voice (and being conscience of the implications of talking in high vs low voice), understanding body language, lifting tips on how to not have a 'Jersey Shore' body.
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
the real gems
Disagree. The real gems are the things you can't read/learn about from a quick google.
[–]vwzwv 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
You can't google them if you don't know they are something to google. Plus, a little discretion by someone in the know goes a lot further than a list of random hits of unknown quality, especially for someone who doesn't yet know how to assess them.
[–]ThoroughRed[S] 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
good point. The real gems are the things not easy to come by.
[–]FirstNamesMusic 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Damn I should make a "Be a Brick Shithouse workout" writeup for TRP
[+]ThoroughRed[S] -7 points-6 points-5 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You'll never signal me out, but thanks for being polite.
I don't think you fully grasped what I was saying which actually shows your current level. And that's cool, we all progress at different rates.
[–]vwzwv 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You'll never make above 3rd place in a beauty contest wearing that feathered hat.
[–]ThoroughRed[S] -4 points-3 points-2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You sound soft dude. And very sensetive to what was said. No worries bro, enjoy your life and I hope you get all the pussy you can.
[–]amekooky 10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
target markets haha.
true,
whenever i was so deep into online dating just simply changing my default pic would strike a chord on a different demographic of women each time.
[–]lolablackbird 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Im a girl and this is true asF.
[–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla[M] [score hidden] 8 years ago stickied comment (1 child) | Copy Link
Hey guys do X!
How do you do X?
This isn't a post, this is the intro to a post
[–]ThoroughRed[S] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Glad you liked it...yes there will be more to come. Thank you and keep up the great work. The concept is right there loud and clear, but I agree with you it could be expanded on with more instructions.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
''Many guys don’t know that deep down women are jealous of guys. They want a penis. They want to be physically better than others. They want to be the hot guy that fucks all the girls. Girls love power. They love being above others.''
I swear that most guys over here are just going insane...Beyond pathetic at this point...please get a grip with reality you dumbnuts...
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Great post.
To the people asking how to be attractive/have giid posture/etc. Stop being lazy, the information has been shared ad-nauseum. If you have the knowledge to ask about it you are more than capable enough to find it.
This autismo desire for the exact blueprint to alphapussy land is insane.
Puas attempt to mechanize and disassemble alpha behavior methodically. But thats the lng way around. Instead be better than her and in turn u will become alpha.
Ps. Stop trying to avoid being yourself by changing your voice. I know guys that still sound like teenagers that are busting open the sloot machines every week.
What about the you are enough mentality? If she must envy you, you are put in the position to develop into something she can compare to and this is coming from a weak framework because you are constantly in her frame by reacting to her desires. She desires to envy you and you have to provide that man that she can envy.
This is nonsense. Develop yourself for you and remember that on your journey you are enough and she has to impress you, not the other way around. Constantly thinking about what she is thinking is being reactive and weak and not on your path, but unconsciously in her reality/frame.
[–]welldressedbrother 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Too much emphasis on looks and logic
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
made me think of RT's blog article about SMV ratios, abotu a year after he first released his SMV chart. worth a read
[–]Jcl_15 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I'm wondering how age factors into this, as a man crosses into his early 30s, mid 30s, early 40s. How does that impact status relative to attractive women in their 20s? I always read about guys killing it in their 30s and 40s, but in my early 30s, this is not my experience or what I observe in others -- I feel like a man's SMV truly does decrease with age, only slightly behind a woman's. How can a 37-year-old man who's not a 6'2" shredded super alpha be higher status than a hot 27-year-old woman?
[–]1UPZ_ 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
by driving an exotic car, living in a mansion or a trendy inner city loft. Having lots of money, decent body (not fat, some muscles), groomed... Happy.
[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points-2 points 8 years ago (68 children) | Copy Link
God...sometimes I wish people were given the option to spend a day as the opposite sex. While I agree with portions of this post, I think the whole "make her feel lower than you" idea is toxic, to say the least.
You can be as high social value as possible and women will still think you're a HUGE piece of shit if you treat them like they're beneath you. Women who are attracted to you show you love, admiration, affection, and sexuality AND WANT YOU TO SHOW IT IN RETURN.
[–]ThrowFader 15 points16 points17 points 8 years ago* (47 children) | Copy Link
Nobody fucking said "make her feel lower than you" you idiot.
He said make her feel like she is with a valuable man, i.e someone better than her. You and your BP bullshit. You and your no experience having ass. STFU and stop spreading this bullshit on the sub.
Woman will not show you love, admiration, affection, and sexuality if they view you as inferior. It simply will not happen. They will lie and say they do, but what happens is you get friendzoned.
Simple as fucking that.
[–]rikleeRed42 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link
his point was to be a valuable man but not be an asshole about it. being an overly flashy arrogant asshole is a sign of insecurity, fake confidence, and a fragile ego.
i dont see whats so blue pill about it. and i dont see why you're so triggered by his comment.
[–]ThoroughRed[S] 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes it has nothing to do with being an asshole or being flashy lol
[–]Desadarius 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Girls don't think about "Fragile ego"
They don't give a fuck. You really think girls are breaking down every guy's personality in their head?
If you give tingles by being flashy, you will fuck them.
[–]rikleeRed42 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
my comment has nothing to do with getting laid. my point is, if you feel the need to actively make women feel inferior to you, you probably have a fragile ego. if thats okay with you, then you do you.
[–]ThrowFader -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Shut the hell up and stop it with the straw men.
[–]ThrowFader 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
Yes but the way he frames it up is such a strawman.
I'm mad because I got this same BP advice and it led me fucking nowhere for months. (I'm young so take it for what its worth)
I can be superior to a girl without being an arrogant flashy asshole. NOBODY said "be an arrogant flash asshole". They said, "Be better than her." That's what they want from men, and its also what they need.
Men an women can be equal, but women usually fuck that up and aim higher than they deserve. I'm being fucking NICE to a girl that I KNOW is inferior to me by giving her my attention. That knowlegde shapes your attitude and gives you abundance mentality, which manifests in behaviours that girls find attractive. Don't ask me why.
I call out bullshit because I have experience. If you don't see what's blue pill about it, go get some REAL life experience.
[–]rikleeRed42 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
the only bullshit i see here are your comments.
youre butthurt because you couldnt get laid for months and youre blaming the person who gave you advice? (blaming others = BP)
[–]ThrowFader 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
AHAHAHAH
Since when did blaming others become BP. I will blame whoever the fuck I want, when I want. I'm proactive, yes, but that doesn't absolve idiots of responsibility for the stupid shit they say and do. The hell?
Yes you can be young and have experience. Its called intelligence and friends.
I'm not angry.
You are a joke
[–]rikleeRed42 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
youre not angry?you said you were mad earlier and gave a reason why.
intelligence and friends are not remotely close to experience btw.
you sir are the embodiment of a blue piller pretending to be a red piller, your defensiveness validates that.
anyways, im done messing with you. TRP is about genuine improvement. good luck on your journey.
[–]sub_ad 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Dont take it to heart. Some people here are more cucked than actual bluepillers.
[–]Desadarius 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You're right. These guys have no fucking clue. Most of them haven't even touched the sidebar.
[–]ThoroughRed[S] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
If you actually think this is BP your nuts dude. There is no way you have experience if you think this is BP. This is as RP as it gets and advanced.
Simple as that. If the girl doesn't envy you, she will not feel attraction to you. She won't fuck you. And if she ever does she will regret it later.
You have so much to learn its crazy. It has nothing to do with being flashy or an asshole and it was never said in the post.
[–]rikleeRed42 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
the red pill in summary ➖
Be a sincere best version of yourself. girls will follow. dont be a condescending asshole because confidence should be genuine.
this thread is fun. good post mate
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Thoroughly enjoying being dismissed as inexperienced and BP because: reasons.
Also, not surprised by their reactions to us in the least.
I see a lot of hamsters here.
[–]rikleeRed42 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
"beta blue pill snowflake cuck! "
its funny. glad you enjoyed this as much as i did.
i like the self improvement side of trp but the women hating that goes on just screams butthurt.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I know!
I was once a young butthurt guy myself, which is of course how I found this community in the first place.
But, much like you I assume, when I tried to apply all the egotistical bullshit I developed from countless hours of TRP study, I wound up embarrassing myself socially to the point of total depression, and learned LOADS more from that then I ever did reading most of this sub.
Maybe that's the point?
[–]rikleeRed42 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
yeah, ironically after a year of failures. i let go of chasing women, and did things for myself. i made goals that didnt revolve around sex.
thats the fundamental issue most men here have, they do all this shit for women and not themselves. thats just needy desperation disguised as masculinity.
im happier, confident, and women are naturally attracted to me now... its crazy, i dont even try anymore.
its not because of bullshit PUA, but because im no longer a needy butthurt boy.
[–]sub_ad 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You are so retarded you actually think that saying things about women you dont want to hear = hate. You can be objective but because these objective traits of women seem evil you dismiss it as women hate.
[–]rikleeRed42 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
i wouldnt be on this sub if i didnt agree with the philosophy as i clearly said in my comment.
there are comments on this sub that are actually hateful and driven by butthurt. not saying everyone here are.
are you prepared to defend that every single post and comment ever on this sub are legit and objective?
[–]ThrowFader 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Exactly. We need more mods.
[–]Trooper_1868 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
if she loses you, she loses more than when you lose her. Simple as that. :P
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago* (13 children) | Copy Link
Using the idea of being of higher value than someone implies that they are of lower value than you, or beneath you.
It's comical that you attribute my opinions as BP, and the comment about my lack of experience.
There are only two ways you get friendzoned: 1) You put yourself there 2) She's not interested in you
Please refer to OP's original post regarding your opening statement...
Make her feel lower than you by being better than her socially, physically, financially, in dressing style and anything else you can think of.
[–]rikleeRed42 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
if consciously making women feel inferior to you is the gameplan, that just demonstrates insecurity. this sub is full of so much try hards its ridiculous.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
I agree completely.
I'll be honest...I originally came here years ago with the same frame of mind as most of these neckbeards, but you really tend to learn much more by just getting out into the world and learning by DOING. Nothing anyone reads here is going to fix their problems, even the sound, healthy advice unfortunately, if they don't apply any of it...
[–]rikleeRed42 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
i admit ive been on both ends of the spectrum. heartbreak does that to us.
you get it too, the true confidence gained from doing, thats not something that can be taught via reddit.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
The irony of this sub is that taking the red pill is actually about turning the computer off and going outside
im genuinely worried about the smart phone generation coming up, all this tech is toxic to mental health.
[–]ThrowFader -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Its funny seeing you two stroke each others dicks
[–]rikleeRed42 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
its funny how blue pill you are
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
We're sure glad you're finding our collective so-called lack of experience funny. Please feel free to check in with us in a few years with an update on how that whole "I'm better than my girl and she knows it" thing is going for you.
I dated a girl once that played into my whole delusional egotistical frame. She grew up eventually and got sick of me and my shit, and then I had to grow up and start looking at the world a bit more realistically. Good luck to ya.
[–]Yourstruly777 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
No. It is what it is. RP is a way to navigate reality. If I could sit my fat ass at home eating burrritos playing league all day getting served by a 9 or 10 I would.
... but the world doesn't work like that.
So I have to go to work. Have a carreer. Kiss ass. Lift. Socialize. Bust my ass basically. All in order to be a high value person so I can have a shot at pretty girls. Cuz thats what I want in life. RP just spells it out. Its a dog eat dog world.
It was never about hating women. I love women. It is all about understanding and adaptation.
im not hating on the red pill. you and a few others get it. but trust me, you shouldnt try and be a high value guy for women. do it for yourself. women will come naturally
but there are people in this sub who hate women. kinda sad.
[–]ThrowFader 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Allow me to rephrase. An "equal" value female to you would likely;
Quite frankly, females that you think are equal to you will not think the same in their mind. Why? Because guys that are superior to them give them the time of day. Its common fucking sense.
In no uncertain terms, my girl is always beneath me. I'm better than her. She knows that. That's why she likes me. Because I'm awesome and able to lead her and provide her with great experiences that men she actually deserves can't. If you can't understand that then GTFO of this sub.
Nobody fucking said that women don't have value. WOMEN FUCKING RUN SHIT IN SOCIETY. Of course they have value. We are saying BE THE SHIT. Fucking own your shit. If you don't want to go ahead nobody fucking cares.
But be a loser somewhere else please.
Damn, I feel really sorry for your girl.
[–]ThoroughRed[S] -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Good to see some people that actually get it.
It is not about making them "feel low", it's actually being superior to her to the point she feels some envy towards you.
[–]ThrowFader 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
That actually translates into tingles and love and respect eventually.
You can't respect something inferior to you.
Woman respect men, men love woman.
Funny because the Bible even says this somewhere i think. People knew this shit from the dawn of time. Its not new.
Yeah, and that bible sure is loaded with lots of modern day logic...
[–]rikleeRed42 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
to be fair, you wrote that in the last paragraph.
[–]ThoroughRed[S] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
The wording could have been better, yes.
But the wording should not stop someone from fully understanding the point.
[–]rikleeRed42 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
theyre just overthinking shit. typical reddit bullshit
[–]tybyday8 points 8 years ago* [recovered] (6 children) | Copy Link
This is not factually correct at all. You are describing women’s behaviors towards someone they are ALREADY attracted to and in a relationship with. Women absolutely show zero attention to a male who is below her on a social scale. I know social scale numbers are subjective but since solipsism rules the hen house, her personal social scale dictates who she considers and who she ignores. That considered group is the potential males that are better than her. She wouldn’t find them attractive or potentially attractive otherwise.
Excellent point, and true from my experience
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link
Do you have any factual evidence to support that statement, or just anecdotal?
[–]tybyday2 points 8 years ago [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link
Resources, attractiveness, family commitment; reproductive decisions in human mate choice.
Bereczkei T, Voros S, Gal A, Bernath L.
PIP: This study of reproductive decisions in human mate selection used data from "lonely hearts" advertisements to examine a series of predictions based on the mate preferences of male and females relating to age; physical appearance; financial condition and socioeconomic status; family commitment and personal traits; short- and long-term mating; and marital status and preexisting children. The sample consisted of 1000 personal advertisements (500 male) placed in two daily, national papers between February and October 1994 in Hungary. The research procedure included a pilot study of 150 advertisers (75 male) to refine the categories examined. Analysis was performed using 1) a matrix with one axis referring to offers and the other to demands of males and females separately; 2) a matrix of offers only to derive correlated traits of claims by males and females; and 3) a matrix with columns describing sex, offers, demands, advertiser's age, and required age and a row for each of the 1000 samples. It was found that men preferred younger mates, while women preferred older ones. Men were more likely to seek physical attractiveness, while women were more likely to seek financial resources (ranked 7th) and high status (ranked 6th). Women strongly preferred male domestic virtue and family commitment, and twice as many women as men demanded long-term relationships. Women more frequently declared preexisting children, and men exhibited a reluctance to accept these children. Both males and females employed "trade-off" strategies, making greater demands if they felt they had attractive offers.
PMID: 12293453 [Indexed for MEDLINE]
I see you edited and added to your original response.
Are you arguing that women prefer men who are perceived as high social value, or that they enjoy feeling treated as lesser value by their would-be mates?
OP's original post included a statement that suggested a successful acquisition of attraction from a high value female by making her feel of lesser value than you.
I'm arguing that women DO NOT enjoy being looked down upon or made to feel inferior to a man in a relationship of any kind, not that they don't seek out men with a high level of value. Mind you...one that they, themselves attribute to each potential partner. What's attractive to one person may not always be attractive to the next.
Show this post to a woman and she will still not fuck you.
Yeah, you're right, women tend to not fuck people based on what you type on some manosphere forum...
But they sure as hell do when you show them you're an adult that understands them and what they actually want. Don't take my word for it, but you're more than welcome to ask the women I've seen in the past year ;)
[–]mummersfarce_is_done -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
They want to be treated as equals, from someone higher value than themselves. So in return they will be higher value themselves.
No. Not by someone of higher value. Just by someone they respect and desire to be respected by.
The whole thing of 'value' is quite detrimental to a healthy relationship, even if it's just a casual thing.
[–]tacko276 -2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
This! why the fuck would I wast time with someone of lesser value anyway?
[–]ThrowFader 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
You misunderstand what lesser value means.
It doesn't mean the woman is worthless, it just means she won't auto reject you.
Woman are hypergamous, so if you aren't greater value you get ignored. But by all means continues disgusting the HB 8s and 9s so I can steal them from you.
[–]tacko276 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Common cense tells us that if she thinks you are a ugly useless bag of shit she's not gonna be interested. She has to think you have value and the more value she feels you have the more engaged she'll be. I mean that's just basic logic.
[–]ThrowFader 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, but she only starts to consider men when they reach her level of value. Women don't usually settle for less, barring some exceptional circumstances. When you adjust for the fact that its in human nature to optimize, you get hypergamy.
A woman will choose the best men available that she thinks she thinks she has a shot at. So yeah, you have to be better than her. Basic Human nature. or AWALT.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Listen, it's not about who's higher or lesser value from some external point of view. It's about value attributed by the individual onto another.
Why do you think men rank women on the 1-10 scale, or other scales for that matter? We assign value to them based on looks, health, fitness, hair color, etc. They do the same thing.
You know what people with a healthy frame and psychology DON'T do? They don't assign value to another person based on attraction, and then try to rationalize their own superiority and assume their mate thinks that way.
Women don't seek out men that they think are better than them. They seek out men that possess attributes that they find personally attractive, many of those being generally agreed upon by most women, but I can assure you this: THERE EXISTS NO SANE OR MENTALLY HEALTHY WOMAN WHO SEEKS A MAN BECAUSE SHE THINKS HE IS BETTER THAN HER.
Many of them want to feel protected, secure, safe, and in awe of him based on his confidence in himself and his decisions, but ask any woman what the difference is between confidence and arrogance. You'll find their definition of arrogance to be VERBATIM what you currently seem to define as confidence.
[–]ThrowFader 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You are overanalyzing it.
Just be better than a bitch and shit gets easier.
uh DURR!!
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I'm not overanalyzing it in the LEAST bit. Not anymore.
I came here originally because I was overanalyzing it. I was trying to find some reason or answer to why women are the way they are (also, generalizing that women all do the same things, or AWALT as we know it here). I thought I had it all figured out, went out in the world and tried to apply some of this newfound "knowledge" from meticulously studying this sub and general MGTOW/RP/PUA theory, fell FLAT ON MY FACE out there realizing none of it was really applicable beyond the simple frame/game/open tactic theory, retreated to my dungeon once again, fap relapsed, developed a heavy drug habit, heavy drinking habit, alienated my friends, became that guy at the bar who has far too many and starts trying to preach to everyone about how love doesn't exist, women are soul murdering cunts, blah blah blah...
Fast forward to meeting a girl at a trivia night thing at a brewery through some friends from work, hit it off, applying basic PUA principle (technically basic social interaction principle. talking to a stranger, showing genuine interest, carrying a conversation, etc), skip to later that evening, more drinks/shots at a bar down the street, girl seems interested/flirty, following me around the bar/outside when I go to smoke. share a couple hits of pot, friend joins conversation on his way out, serves up heroic wingman move (some remark about my beard, idk), girl lights up with interest, says she's all about the beard, friend leaves, girl reaches out to run her fingers through the beard, I lean in for the kiss, she leans into it, next thing I know we're making out on the bench out front for something like a half hour, friends inside all leave and pass us on the way out, laughing at us drunk idiots with our tongues down each other's throats. I summon the uber, doesn't show, can't walk her all the way to my place (lived 45 mins away at the time, her place much further). call my friend who lives nearby, ask to crash on the couch, tell him im with a girl. he says no prob. 40 min walk that should have been 10 because of all the stops to make out, gettin handsy, roaming around. make it to friends place, everyone's asleep (3-4 by now), immediately to the giant living room couch, clothes off in seconds, swapping oral until we both passed out.
Next week I meet with her again, tequila shots ensue, night winds down, uber to my place, same events play out, she leaves in the morning, texts me an hour later while omw to work, says she wants to meet again sober, I agree, set up a date downtown for tacos/light drinks. Meet for the date, lots of push/pull convo, relationship jokes come up, gets monotonous after a while so I ask why she called to see me a 3rd time. She tells me she had a lot of fun drinking and all that but something stuck with her even though she was so wasted both times before: she was TOTALLY turned on by the fact that I was so completely and sincerely honest with her regarding everything to do with me, even though I barely knew her. She tells me all this and I believe her due to the fact that I didn't even pull any punches when talking about stuff from my past/present that unquestionably made me seem like a total dick.
She was completely helpless with regards to having a lady-boner for me because I did nothing less than tell her how it was (when it came to me), what I wanted, what I'm into, what I'm doing with my life, what I've been through, what I want to do with my life moving forward, etc etc. The clincher obviously was that she couldn't help spewing out everything about her in the same ways that I was. She was falling right into the frame I was setting up, which was a frame built totally on honesty and sincerity. No games, no techniques, no mind fucks, no shit tests, none of all this theoretical nonsense thats been built to mold some mock understanding of the way things work. It's all actually just a fantasy world built to give meaning and understanding to guys like you and the guy I was a year+ ago so we don't just give up and suicide ourselves lol. That being said, I can't say I regret anything I picked up on (rather bought into hook line and sinker), because I made the ultimately most important decision with it all which was to ACTUALLY APPLY IT IRL, which made me understand it's not all the way I thought it was, and led me to learn the applicable truths I've come to know (or at least the one's that currently make sense in my world and reality)
Stay on this sub, keep talking to people, keep arguing (although I suggest you try being less combative and be more engaging in a mature, respectful manner), keep experimenting, and ALWAYS make moves to practice what you think is applicable. In fact, put more priority on the things that scare you the most, or seem to good to be true, or hell even downright ridiculous. You learn loads more that way than just arguing with some 30 year old stranger like myself (that should honestly be using his time to get another day of chest in at the gym right now!). I don't honestly know why I feel such need to keep this convo going, maybe I feel like I owe it to the people like myself who are just trying to make shit work for them, because there's an obvious reason we're all here right? Because we felt like we sucked at this shit lol, and wanted to get better. So keep trying to get better.
But know this as the MOST important thing you could (should) learn from this information and discussion: YOU ARE NOT BETTER THAN THEM. THEY ARE NOT BETTER THAN YOU. You are you and they are them. They have something you want, and you have something they want as well. Find a way to make that mutually beneficial, without having to hold a frame that puts you above them as an individual, but rather that you possess some resource, ability, or knowledge that they don't, that you might be able to provide them with, and see how much more you gain in life by sharing that (which I PROMISE YOU will lead to you receiving what you desire in return, providing the girl in questions isn't using you the same way most of this fringe trash advice on this sub suggests you should use on them).
Tl;DR and NSFW: Use the non-sexual similarity of going down on her first before she goes down on you and then after a week count up how many more times she sucked your dick/made you dinner/send you nudes/drove across the city to fuck you than you did for her. THAT'S the goal. THAT'S the main objective. But don't forget that you also gotta give a little to get a little. You don't have to be the only one providing if you don't want to, and neither does she. You shouldn't either. And nor should she.
[–]ThrowFader 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It looks like you had a rough time implementing TRP.
It may depend on your area, how you are in general, the girls there etc. But you shouldn't extrapolate you experiences on to TRP.
You should be giving a little to get a little. I agree.
BUT. You should always be more willing to walk away, OR you will undoubtedly get used. It only takes time. There are no unicorns.
I'm not saying preach TRP to women, or be a complete idiot asshole, but just understand your worth, and understand that women want men with high worth, that know their value.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You wouldn't. Neither would I. Nor should anyone.
[–]Austonmatthews345 -2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I was at a concert last night, and had a few fat chicks approach me the moment I walked in, they didn't introduce themselves or anything but they planted themselves right beside me and made sure to brush against me a few times. It wasn't a packed venue at this point so it's obvious they were looking for my attention.
Naturally I'm not very good at talking to women but I'm curious if ignoring them because they weren't attractive was the right move. I don't know much about social interaction but if I were to have talked to them would that have increased my value amongst the hotter women checking me out or was it the right move to just ignore them?
If you aren't attracted, IGNORE.
If you are attracted, but they bring you down socially, IGNORE.
Fat chicks? IGNORE
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