Trp: broken boy syndrome?

Imperial_Ova · 2017-08-07T06:45:13+00:00

The hardest problem with opening up to women is not that it is always disastrous, but that it spells disaster if you have deep seated emotional issues and your veneer of "cool alpha" that she's grown to like is a facade. Most of us are in the veneer stage, we haven't really transitioned deeply. So, when you open up, women realize they've been conned and move on.

Transitioning deeply only comes after a lot of internal work and experience--for now the sidebar is just a rule list. It gets us playing the game and gives us endgame criteria, but doesn't give us finesse.

AWALT is a blanket statement, yes, but a lot of justifications have already been written and said, from adopting a pragmatic Pascal's wager approach, to explaining it in evolutionary terms. Treat it however you wish to, but dont challenge it with no backing and the completely trite "but it's impossible!".

Can you say that ALL HUMANS HAVE TWO ARMS? Do you insanely try to debunk AHHTA because "mathematics"? Ugh.

Yes, you can open up to your woman if you learn to present your problems within the bounds of the frame you've developed and she's subscribed to. Established frames are implicit contractual agreements, she has no need to stay if you break your contract.

There are a lot of us on very different levels in the path, don't make blanket statements about us all being "juvenile" and "hating women". Judge the quality of the philosophy by those who are deep into it (The ECs, the Vanguards, the Founders), not by posts by initiates. This should be trivial knowledge.

GreenPiller · 2017-08-07T06:20:49+00:00

The biggest problem I have with women is the fucking Lightswitch Effect. Its what make women so fucking dangerous. If you have a solution for that, please let me know, and if you don't know what that is then you better stop ranting and read the sidebar.

Alepp0s_Ultimatum · 2017-08-08T07:18:18+00:00

"Or does someone with wisdom follow me". I hope this is a pisstake. You're not the arbiter of wisdom you neckbeard fool

GayLubeOil · 2017-08-07T07:17:07+00:00

Women have no incentive to develop themselves because at the end of the day they can wave their tits and have a beta pick up the slack for them.

Have you ever seen a female personal trainer teach an office nerd to deadlift? I have iv been in the industry for 7 years and lifting religiously for 11. Women do not give a fuck about the quality of their work even when their incompetence can permanently injure someone and legally fuck the entire gym into non existance.

Women only care about themselves. They are soulless vagina machines who's only function is finding and absorbing alpha sperm.

If a beta's spine gets twisted into oblivion she will not give a fuck. You know why? Because she's not there to change lives. She's there to get spotted by an Alpha in her hot pink yoga shorts.

As for you Ad Hominem fallacy. I can muscle Chad my way into pussy whenever I want. The thing is when you are a muscle Chad like me women will actually tell you the truth.

Go read the sidebar.

0signal0 · 2017-08-07T16:07:11+00:00

You're telling me not one woman on the face of the Earth is high grade anymore? They all died? They're all gone?

There is plenty of good women out there, but they happen to be taken after a certain age. That, or they are not interested at all in player-type guys.

yessum447 · 2017-08-08T02:45:52+00:00

The idea isn't that all women are whores and sluts, it's that if you approach life thinking that you will be successful. If you expect women to be whores and sluts, when they are you will be ready for it, and when they aren't you can be tentatively happy about it.

It's like how LeBron has to believe that he's not good enough and that he has a lot of room to improve. It's not that it's true, it's that the mindset makes him successful.

OneLifeSucks · 2017-08-08T20:59:29+00:00

After I first joined, I hated women. A year later I realized that there were actually a lot of things about myself that I hated and had good reason to hate. Now I'm a mature man that's ready for a healthy relationship. Before I joined I was dumped (long overdue honestly) by an amazing woman and I know there are plenty out there just like she was. They call it anger phase for a reason, it just seems the angrier people post more. Take the Funkmaster Flex line "Who you mad at? Me or yourself?" and apply it to the majority of guys here and their attitude towards women. When you're new you think "She didn't fuck me because she's shitty", if you pay any attention at all you'll eventually end up at "She didn't fuck me because I'm shitty" and then everything else works out. When I first started out on TRP I ended up fucking more girls for sure and hot ones at that but none of them were relationship material. I used to question why relationship girls weren't responding as well. It was because with my current mindset I too wasn't relationship material. All I became was someone good for a pump and dump (Which seems to be a goal here). I lost sight of who I was (a "nice guy") trying to become something I wasn't (an "alpha", lady-slayer). The truth is the alpha male version of you is just the version of you that is comfortable with himself and doesn't make decisions based on validation and your whole behavior will change accordingly. The majority of new guys should just read Models before they even click on a link.

88Will88 · 2017-08-07T14:57:15+00:00

"not an excuse to judge or belittle women"

I am reporting you for moralising. Mods, please give at least a 30 day ban. For fucks sake if we let comments like that slide then practically every post and comment in here violates this guy's morality. Whiteknighting is repulsive.

MattyAnon · 2017-08-07T19:26:41+00:00

Am I crazy? Or does someone with wisdom follow me?

You're crazy.

You're telling me not one woman on the face of the Earth is high grade anymore? They all died? They're all gone?

Any more??

You believe that because you used to think women were high worth .... that women changed rather than you. Women were never the faithful giving loving angels you imagined them to be.

Fundamentally.... even if 1% of women really are great, worth investing in, and won't fuck us over later.... how would we know? Every woman pretends to be worth the investment until they stab you in the back. You don't know the backstabbers until they have the chance to do it. It's not worth the risk to find out. Fundamentally it is immoral to expect men to burden all that risk knowing that most of them will be fucked over by it.

Good people won't even ask you to take on risk without ownership. Bad people say "trust me". Good people don't make you vulnerable. Bad people say "It's worth the risk". Good people don't put you in a weak position.

I'm calling bullshit on this whole bias

Bias? This is entirely experiential. It is wrong to invalidate male experience by saying "Not all women are like that!". Well who knows what most women are like, but the majority are exactly as we describe. Exactly. And we shouldn't be expected to burden the risk on finding any that aren't, should they exist.

If anything, what I'm proposing--low worth guys with hurt egos attract low quality girls

Careful OP, this looks like you're blaming men for female behaviour. You look to be saying "If YOU were high quality you would have no problems with women.... just be yourself and you'll naturally get high quality women just flocking to you". Sorry, the world doesn't work like this. Women have a very particular (and non obvious) way to decide how to treat men, and their quality is only part of it.

Don't get me wrong, I think trp is important, but it is not an excuse to judge or belittle women or make blanket statements on them and the world, then you're worse then them, because you get it and yet you don't because you're abusing it

Quit your concern trolling.

The blanket statements are an essential antidote to the "women are wonderful" shit that we are constantly bombarded with.

NeoreactionSafe · 2017-08-07T13:37:20+00:00

Default Male - Rigid, literal, honest.
Default Female - Fluid, manipulative, deceptive.

These ideas are what are called "Eternal Truths" and have been known by wise men for thousands of years. Really as far back as human history goes the Red Pill (wiser) men understood this as true.

The Blue Pill mythology is a deception.

So your first task is to "Kill the Beta" which is that deceived foolish mind who believes his Blue Pill programming.

What we realize is that masculinity means men are "above" women in the sense we must be the Captain and she must be your Firstmate.

Would the Captain seek emotional support from his Firstmate if the seas became rough?

Might the Captain cry and seek comfort?

No

The Captain must be the more masculine and be concerned with reality first and his emotional state second. The Firstmate might get scared and will look to the Captain for strength.

We teach strength... masculinity... "Reals before Feelz".

Master1176 · 2017-08-07T15:05:23+00:00

Have a fucking downvote, white knight.

hypergraphia123 · 2017-08-07T17:13:57+00:00

There's a lot of really misogynist-sounding stuff on here, and that's only a problem when you take it in literally, at surface-value. Go on Tumblr, and you'll see tons of "kill all men" type posts, and when you call them out for being hateful, they'll tell you that stuff isn't serious, it's just for empowerment or whatever.

Same thing here. All the stuff about "women not being worth their weight in salt" is to help beta guys who think all women are angels get them off the pedestal. No one writing this stuff actually believes that, or they wouldn't be able to function in society. In reality, this community is delivering the feminists exactly what they REALLY want in actually doing something to reduce the number of creepy beta dudes.

Cryxtalix · 2017-08-08T12:35:33+00:00

What are you talking about? Belittle women? Hate on women? And whose life changed after TRP? Well, meet me.

I can firmly say i figured out almost the entire part about understanding women, all on my own. I only read TRP to learn about the action I need to take to better myself. Back then, I started reading broadly into psychology. After i began reading on dark triad antisocial behaviour and other mental illnesses. Naturally manipulation is part of the dark triads. Then i got to the chapter about why women are always more manipulative than men.

When thinking about female behaviour, almost everybody reads about the what the behaviours are. Solipsism, hypergamy etc. But few people, especially not you, bother to think about the reasons a woman does the things she does. Like everything in nature, things have a reason for existence.

Almost everything a woman does is strategically the best way to achieve success, factoring in societal influences, religion etc. Not perfect, because most women are not too aware of what men want. The women from reddit redpillwomen are pretty close, by factoring in how to appeal to a man. Feminism almost entirely derails, but I guess it increases their own SMV by devaluing and placing restrictions on men.

A girl is born in an entirely different situation from a boy. Such as being physically weaker, and learns to manipulate FTW, through playing dolls, lots of drama etc. The male society also idolized the female image. She lies and manipulates, yet society and religion demonizes such behaviour, so she trains herself to hide it. Pregnancy is also super hard conpared to a man spreading cheap sperm everywhere, so she has to pick from the best.

While having all these differences from a boy, she still wants success and to be rich. Method 1 is to work hard, study hard and achieve success herself. Method 2 is to catch a rich man and get half of what's his, society considers the wife of a rich man successful as well. Both methods achieve success, but method 1 is significantly harder.

Which method will you pick? If you transplant my brain right now into a woman's body, and change my attracted gender to male, I will still pick method 2. It's just the most logical way to achieve success. It's almost inevitable that once a girl becomes aware of her situation, she picks method 2, in variable amounts based on her family situation, societal norms, religion etc. Thus she learns to manipulate, game, make up, leverage sex for a best partner and many other skills.

There is no reason to blame a woman for picking the most logical and realistic method to success. Why fight so hard youself if you can just marry money? In fact to me, if a woman does not go method 2, she either has too low SMV, or is mentally incapable. Unless she redpills herself and starts seeing the world from the perspective of men.

TRP is just a sub to tell the answers to people who have not figured it out yet. It is the best method to play with respect to the strategy played by women. There is clear reasoning to everything said and done here, it's fine to skip the reasoning and head straight for the answers, but don't assume there is no reasoning. No one's a broken boy from taking the redpill. We are cetainly not blaming women for good strategy, since we have something just as good too. This is just a sub about good strategy and self improvement. Give it some time.

max_peenor · 2017-08-07T16:02:32+00:00

This just mathematically does not make sense

What? What is even the postulate here?

You're telling me there is not a single woman on Earth that is quality enough to open up to and she will not become endearing and supportive?

Who the fuck cares? You are supposed to be the man. You are the rock upon the world rests. If you feel your mangina quivering and in need of support, you're already fucked. Women are the mother of our children; stop looking for a new mother for you. Step 1) grow up. Step 2) side bar.

0xdada · 2017-08-07T19:36:04+00:00

The issue is not that the "high grade women" are gone, or that women can't be "high grade," it's that the whole notion that there exists "high grade woman," for whom it is ok to become a bitch, or essentially revert to your bitch self.

When you unpack the idea of "worthy," or "high grade," women, it's based on the perspective that you are basically a child and you are blustering until one of these "worthy" women comes along and you can expose your vulnerable child-ness to her and she won't judge you and bail.

HAHAHAHAHALOLOLOLOLOL.

Of course there are good women, but good for what? Good for something that is external to you as a man - NOT for accepting you as a man, validating or reflecting your self image, being a reward for your "sacrifices," or worth making your choice to be happy conditional on.

QED.

Baltais · 2017-08-08T14:33:26+00:00

I'm with you man on this. This sub lately reeks of insecure people. Its their fault that they attract shitty girls. Only about 10% here really are mature. They got dumped or heartbroken which lowered their self-worth and self-esteem and now they need someone to blame, so they turn to women blaming. Like attracts like. If you are a shitty person you will attract more shitty persons around yourself.

Title	Trp: broken boy syndrome?
Author	juzeza
Upvotes	10
Comments	37
Date	August 7, 2017 5:43 AM UTC (8 years ago)
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