Where does the hamster (female inability and aversion to guilt) actually come from?

Rollo-Tomassi · 2013-03-15T13:36:46+00:00

Relevant:

https://rationalmale.wordpress.com/2011/08/25/imagination/

theubercuber · 2013-03-15T13:27:55+00:00

women tend to be inherently overly emotional

I think this is the prevailing theory.

Emotional decisions are made before the higher brain is even engaged. These decisions wouldn't be complex thoughts as "I want to cheat with this guy" or "I want to break up with my husband". But they would be simple notions akin to "I am very attracted to this man" or "I am not attracted to this man".

Because this is an emotional decision, once this thought hits the conscious brain it has to compensate with rationalization.

"I like this guy not because he's treating me like shit, but because he's so confident and dreamy and sweet."

"I hate my husband because he's ALWAYS neglected me and doesn't give me space. I'm just now seeing this, now that I want out of the marriage and half of his money"

Instead of having to deal with cognitive dissonance and confronting a complex and confusing contradictory thought ("This guy is attractive" "but I have a boyfriend") it's easier to go with the decision in the here-and-now and then rationalize it.

As barbie once excellently put it...

Math is hard, let's go shopping!

How many women have you heard brag about how they are more emotional than men? I've never considered that something to be proud of. Its only function in this world is child bonding. Pair bonding and large scale society suffer from emotion over intellect.

Someone else also brought up here earlier, it's a trade off. I think it's fair to say that if women are superiour emotional thinkers, then they would be compensating with less rational thinking. Of course no woman would ever say that. They would only admit to the superiourity.

edit: I think this is ALSO largely cultural. I think women are BORN inherintly more emotional than men. However, I think it is this Western society that encourages girls not to bother developing their intellectual integrity.

In the scientific community we get lots of girls from East Europe, China, and India. Not all of these places have great women's rights (lookin at you china) but they don't pedastalize emotion and shit. All the girls I meet from these places are much more willing to talk something out and have a discussion. Not because they're scientists, because they're rational. The American girls in lab are much better than average but still not as emotionally restrained (especially once they're outside the lab).

roe_ · 2013-03-15T14:13:36+00:00

I strongly suspect the female incarnation of the hamster is designed with the dual mating hypothesis as it's purpose - that is, it's a good strategy for a woman to pair-bond with a man to get him to raise her kids, and then have sex on the sly with a better guy to get his genes. This strategy is going to be very reliant on being able to fool the provisioner, and the best way to do this is to be unconscious of her own attraction triggers, accompanied by a lack of agency - "It just happened!"

There are studies, both self-reporting surveys and olfactory experiments, that show that female attraction triggers completely change during ovulation - and they are way more attracted to men with outward signs of genetic fitness, such as body symmetry. Thornhill & Gangestad have done a lot of work in this area.

ProtectTheCommunity · 2013-03-15T13:39:21+00:00

Great responses here. One thing that I'm starting to see is the ouright denail of the fact that women are more geared towards making decisions using emotions than logic even if you present these blue pillers scientific evidence for it. Or aas pointed out before some just outright say that emotion > logic (lol, just lol at this). Heck I've even heard some feminists say that logic is a partiarchal construct used to enslave women.

The fact is that, myself being involved in a field which emphasises greatly on logical thinking, using logic is the highest form of intellect weaponary you can have at your disposal. The sad thing is that with the emasculation of men every year more and more men are using emotions to make decisons as opposed to logic. I think single motherhood contributes greatly to this.

westcoastwiking · 2013-03-15T20:12:48+00:00

The Hamster is just imagery we use for self delusion, and everyone does it to some degree.

Self delusion is actually a lot of times a helpful psychological tool, that our brains apply subconsciously. In small doses it can help us cope better.

Now, it's not really that women's self delusion is stronger, it's that men's typically have to be weaker.

Remember in our natural state, men have to "deal with reality" more than women do. The men are out hunting and planning and gathering, while the women are "taken care of".

The closer you are forced to deal with the harsh realities of the world around you, the less self delusion you can afford yourself: "Famine will never strike my tribe; [insert hairbrained excuse]"

ristretto · 2013-03-15T14:32:27+00:00

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throwawayredpill01 · 2013-03-16T04:50:29+00:00

IMO, people here saying women are emotional are just falling for women's tricks/manipulations. Women are way less emotional than men, don't let it get in the way, and also have the luxury of processing it however they please.

I put it this way: women have the clarity of thought, nearly always, that men get only after we orgasm.

On topic, women's rationalizations are just a way of having their cake while eating it too. If we could get away with it, we would too. Plus, nothing they do is inherently wrong anyways. They are doing whatever they logically determine is best for them. And are seriously puzzled when men act differently.

2013-03-15T16:17:10+00:00

Their mothers.

redpillschool · 2013-03-15T13:50:15+00:00

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r_rships_account · 2013-03-16T05:45:42+00:00

Because of this, they feel the uncomfortableness of guilt more strongly, painfully so, and so go through mental gymnastics to avoid it.

No. Women can just get away with avoiding responsibility until the hit the Wall, and even then they can avoid plenty.

Title	Where does the hamster (female inability and aversion to guilt) actually come from?
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