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[–]FearDearg2015Mod / Red Beret3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
So, she texted you to come eat her out, and you did it. That's fine. I suppose you did well to contain your excitement, because no doubt you had a moment of "oh hell yeah!" when you read the text. And some failed shit tests. No biggie, you are improving and this shit takes time.
My big question is "how many times have you sent her a text and told her to come and suck you off, to completion?"
My guess is zero. And again, that would be fine. What I'm getting at is that you could easily get caught up in passing her shut tests and instead just find yourself jumping through hoops for her. Start putting your own hoops out there. Don't be afraid.
[–]RPStruggle0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
I've been so focused on her that this never actually came into my mind. I can see where I'll have some approach anxiety, she's been rather put off at my attempts to have sex with her, there is no begging at all but not smooth about it and a few OI fails.
I feel as if I shouldn't jump into that because yesterday is the first I've seen her actually be interested. Should I continue to be indifferent about sex until I garner more interest from her?
[–]FearDearg2015Mod / Red Beret3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I guess you might be afraid that you might spook her, that what you "should" be doing is trying to coax her out of her shell. Cut that shit out. Get out of her frame. Stop seeing the world through her eyes. Start using your own eyes. You are still living the blue pill dream. You still believe that you are doing this for her. You cannot be outcome independent as long as you hold on to the idea that you need her by your side. You might want her there, and that's OK. I get that. But your neediness is unattractive. What you really want is for her to want to be there with you, and you cannot negotiate that desire.
[–]RPStruggle0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You absolutely just hit the nail on the head. I've got to internalize this. I'm rereading NMMNG right now. I've got to beat the validation seeking out of me and stop being scared of what she thinks.
[–]FearDearg2015Mod / Red Beret0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes. You do. Being honest with yourself is an important step. Recognise that it's about you, not her. Recognise that YOU are the one you are working on.
[–]Scurvemuch 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No... you should always initiate.
you should be indifferent to the outcome, because sex from HER, is really no big deal
[–]MRPguy0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Should I continue to be indifferent about sex until I garner more interest from her?
No, don't downplay your interest in sex. That weakens any dread game you have going. She must know that you have a high interest in sex, and because she is your wife you are giving her the first dibs on having sex with you. After that there is a long line of women who would be happy to oblige...
[–]RPStruggle0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That makes perfect sense. The last few years I've avoided the sex agenda and she hasn't wanted me. If she knows I'm attractive AND want sex, there's the element that he's going to want to get it somewhere.
[–]PersaeusRed Beret0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Could you elaborate on ?
Start putting your own hoops out there. Don't be afraid.
[–]Scurvemuch 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
text from you :
"Hey babe, come here and suck me off"
"Babe, get up and get me that beer, thanks"
Start getting ready to go ( anywhere) " you comin?"
[–]PersaeusRed Beret1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
OP, you should study up on how to eat your woman's snatch. I am guessing you "hurt her" with your fingers; as I am uncertain on how to hurt a pussy with your tongue unless you bit her. Are your nails trimmed? Not sure how to break something that lubricates itself.
[–]RPStruggle0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Actually, with my mouth, not with my teeth. Just hard pressure getting in deep.
[–]PersaeusRed Beret3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Hungry, huh. I can understand that. IMO, soft touch with RAPID movement on the outside (clit) with a finger or two inside on the g-spot will result in big O. Alternate on clit between entire tongue lapping, tip tongue, blowing, kissing, just pausing, sucking gently. If you are not 100% familiar with anatomical parts; and what they should feel like when aroused....all of this information is available on wikipedia without porno-selling bullshit.
Common theme with "soft touch and finger(s) on the g spot". I'll study up on what you've said.
[–]irateMD 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Deep? Are you tongue-fucking her? If she likes penetration with it, then use your fingers and massage her G-spot. Otherwise work on technique with your tongue. Keep it soft. Lots of spit, maybe even lube if she takes a while to cum. Maybe watch Nina Hartley's how to video or something (too slow an approach for my wife, but the sex subreddit loves that video, YMMV).
[–]RPStruggle1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Good tips. Will watch that vid and take notes.
[–]Scurvemuch 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I'm playing it cool and indifferent, but I can't help but think I blew my shot for the near future
this line caught my attention - what do you mean blew your shot???
you still have some serious Oneitis for this girl who wants you to perform for her then will reward you with chores and putting down your performance!
Pussy
but that's ok because you will make yourself the prize, both internally and externally.
what is your plan?
do you even lift yet?
[–]RPStruggle0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Plan is to continue to read, defeat my codependency, work hard, get new hobbies and become an iron wall(mentally and physically).
Yup, lift 4 days a week. Have lost 70 lbs, now trying to build a physical frame of a man.
I agree with the oneitis comment and I find me constantly reminding myself that I need to be doing this for me.
Internalizing that attitude is a hell of a process and I'm a lot closer than I was a month ago, but still a million miles away.
[–]Scurvemuch 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This is not a plan. A plan would look like this :
something actionable and measurable
Noted. I'll definitely start working on planning. I've set goals, but I need to define how I'm going to reach those goals.
[–]RPAlternate42Red Beret0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Everyone else is covering the usuals.
My question is: How do you hurt a woman with oral sex?
Honestly I don't know. Maybe she's lying.
[–]over60_stupid_loner 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
How do you hurt a woman with oral sex?
Rough beard/stubble on the vagina.
Sucking too hard on the clit.
Deep toughing with a rough tongue.
Using too many fingers in the holes at the same time…..
There's some of the ways, if you really get into it.
[–]RPAlternate42Red Beret0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I've done all those... never hurts her the day after.
I think we all know these are shit-test excuses, though. The right guy wouldn't have hurt her but would remind what a naughty girl she is.
[–]over60_stupid_loner 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Unfortunately, I have gotten too rough and had her wake up with a tender puss. But like a sore dick, it is just a reminder of a good time.
Of course, she can re-frame it as a shit-test if he let's her. As you said, just remind her what a naughty girl she is.
[–]whinemoreplease 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
congruence test failed.
what would james bond/don draper have done in your situation? how would he respond to the challenges?
see also -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-1BD8dOz30
http://www.hulu.com/watch/40972 - pay particular attention to the body language. Season 1 is excellent.
Seriously - watch his body language. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBYM4V3trhc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQWNUz0_pZo - look at how well he holds. homebody knows what he wants.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQ10XWd64mw
the issue here is that you don't have the mentality.
[–]Griever1140 points1 point2 points 10 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link
Im not going to go back into your history so im approaching this as a fresh FR.
After reading your post, I am getting a lot of hesitation/still unplugging. You still do not have frame and OI. Which is fine, work on it. It seems like you are in the beginning stages of Dread which is fine, work on it.
Keep doing what BPP suggested. Keep reading WISNIFG, internalize that shit since your frame is still not good.
Your wife has your balls on the mantle and is swatting away your attempts to reclaim them. You have a LONG way to go.
After this she hits me with a request for me to put the kid in the car because they are leaving to a kids birthday party, even though she can do it herself. I comply (failed shit test?)
FAILED. So you eat her out, have sex and get stuck with a chore? Seems to me like you are the one making her a sandwich. You are a busy man. If you are not busy, GET BUSY. You should not be resting.
Lastly conversation, you AM well and I dont think you blew it. failed. after re-reading, you dont have the balls to back up the AM bite. Or, in other words, she doesnt give a fuck if you laugh since she knows you wont find someone else to fuck
Follow BPP advice and continue with what you are doing. Its working.
FAILED. So you eat her out, have sex and get stuck with a chore? Seems to me like you are the one making her a sandwich.
She also asked me if I could cook some meat for her, in which I responded that I don't have time.
You are a busy man. If you are not busy, GET BUSY. You should not be resting.
I like this comment, I've noticed since I started to unplug that I hate watching TV because it feels like wasted time.
I'll continue to find productive things to do, although sometimes when it's an hour or two before sleep I'm at a loss of what to do(if I've already lifted). But I know that I don't want to go lay in bed with her and watch reality tv.
[–]Griever1141 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If you have time before bed AFTER your duties as a man, you should be doing one of the following:
Sex
Reading the sidebar (read that shit till it sticks like white on rice)
Sleep. You worked hard, go the fuck to bed.
although sometimes when it's an hour or two before sleep I'm at a loss of what to do
Yep. That's a big red flag. Do you value your time? Do you recognise that your life could literally end at any moment? How would you feel if death came for you while you were just bumming around looking for something to do? If you literally bored yourself to death? Further, if you are bored, then you are boring. Fill in that time somehow. Keep moving. You don't get that time back. Stop telling yourself that you are at a loss what to do. Don't wait until you are looking for something to do before you make a list of things you want to do. DIY? Hobbies? Meet up with a buddy? Get a list of stuff down, and then when you find that spare time, start doing stuff from the list
H: well I don't know if I want to do that again, you hurt me.
Hamster translation: that was awesome. It hurt, but it was a phenomenal physical AND emotional roller coaster (pain coupled with orgasm). He'll think I'm a slut if I don't cover myself. Better mention how much he hurt me and let him know that I'm not sure about doing that again. This will solidify that I'm not a slut.
[–]bogeyd6Mod / Red Militia1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
We seem to have the same track mind today. I literally thought the exact same thing. Here's an upvote.
[–]Scurvemuch -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
you fucked up a shit test dude
"You're rusty" was a shit test, one set up for AA/AM and not a factually based response
Something along the lines of " Ill keep practicing with Ms ( insert name of hot local chic here)"
"Well I don't know if I want to do that again, you hurt me"
another shit test.
" Aww, Ill give you a minute to rest" or something.
just anything but walking away at this point.
Overall good job on the STFU but you still failed a shit test or three
and Congrats for not victim puking all over her over the debasement of your sexual skills.
Homework - you could have turned the " come eat me out" into something much better for yourself. This one is yours to analyze.
[–]Griever1141 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I dont know, I think for his level, the second conversation/laughing off her shit test was good. I totally agree that the first convo and getting the car seat was a failed shit test though.
He did not AM/AA at all. he STFU and that is fine.
Laughing off some crap only works when your laughter actually means amusement to her, when she knows your chuckle means " yea whatever, you know you liked it, I know you liked it, and you're gonna beg begging for my dick in a minute"
he isn't there yet, and there is no reason to sugar coat that.
No AA/AM on his part. Failed shit tests. Good job on not doing actively negative things- for the most part.
[–]Griever1140 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Fair enough. Context on the internet is a bitch. I can see what you mean by not having the balls to match the "bite" (laughter).
He hasnt earned his "laughter" (ie, I will fuck someone else)
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