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[–]FrameWalker1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
and I think what my problem is is that I don't escalate with girls because I don't see their signals.
It's not wait for IOI and then escalate. It's escalate and test for receptiveness. You ping with your touch, and if they respond warmly you keep going. Don't forget to mix it up a bit - always break the kiss early push them off. Start it up and slow it down, keep them guessing a bit.
I had a wonderful moment once where I sucked the girl hard into my frame conciously. She was already digging it but was playing this coy "I see what you're doing and your game doesn't work on me" teasing me for how much i was rubbing her legs and touching her. We got back to her place and started kissing, and I broke it off early walked to another part of the room and became distant.
"What's wrong?" was her response. In that moment everything changed, she entered my frame fully. I had the upper hand, and soon enough she was a plate.
[–]spoetnick0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
Hi man! Before I try my best to analyse this I just want to make sure whether or not you've read the sidebar material and how familiar you are with RP techniques.
[–]platopos 2 points2 points2 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I'm extremely familiar with it, but it's kind of like I suspect my mindset is stuck on a single track and I wanted some outside opinion to give me some perspective, reading stuff I've already read isn't going to change how I'm thinking about this
[–]spoetnick1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago [recovered] (10 children) | Copy Link
Thanks for explaining man. I'm on mobile now so sorry for weird typos and format and such.
Do you wait for girls to approach you or do you actively try to single one out? If you get looks and smiles this usually means a chick wants to be approached.
If you talk to one of those girls, do you escalate? Are you making some physical contact with her? Does she do the same with you?
Are you making her smile? Do you let her talk a lot about her self while keeping some form of mystery about yourself?
Do the checks think/know that you are high value and are a catch?
Do you recognise shit tests and are you good at handling those?
If all of the above is in good order, when do the girls flake on you?
[–]platopos 1 points1 points1 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I would wait for girls to approach but they very rarely do, so I have to obviously. Now I can't tell if I'm being delusional for thinking this or if it's actually true but I feel like I get looks/smiles so often that it's not that simple who I should be approaching...
Alright well I'm definitely not escalating, that literally is probably my problem.
Yeah they smile, and I'm sure they do, I've had girls i've hooked up with say I could have any girl I wanted (lmao not true), and other girls give more subtle comments.
I'm not really sure if I recognize shit tests. If they say something stupid I make fun of them, and if they say something even remotely disrespectful I notice it. But actual tests, idk how to recognize those.
They always flake a while in, and I've realized it's really a WHILE in, like after an hour. I definitely don't escalate like I need to.
[–]spoetnick0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link
I guess that's your answer, at least for now.
You probably are hot enough to attract attention. You are social enough to talk with for a while. But if you don't use that opening to escalate and start kino they will probably get bored and go do something else. They probably see you as another 'nice guy' or maybe even an orbiter.
This is the time where you should give them the idea that you are a high value, confident, sexual beast. This is the point where they subconsciously decide whether or not they will fuck you.
Thanks man, I'm gonna re-read this the next time I go out. The third time I got laid was a couple months ago (lost my vcard back in September), I was feeling down or something walking down the sidewalk and this girl started talking to me, I asked her for a hug and just hugged the shit out of her for like 3 minutes. I didn't realize I was doing 'kino', we met up the next night and fucked. If I just remember this when I'm out I'm sure it'll convince me what I need to do because the only thing I did different was kino and my results were completely different than usual.
[–]spoetnick1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago [recovered] (0 children) | Copy Link
Your welcome man! Hope it helps.
If escalating and kino still won't work, we can break the interaction down even more.
Have fun out there!
[–]sheridork0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You say it's not true, even laughable, that you could get any girl you want. If you don't really think you can get with the women you want to be with, you're going to project that to them and end up putting them on a pedestal. Have confidence.
[–]platopos1 point 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Oh no I do think I can, it's just that I know that not every girl is DTF at every given time.... so like, logically, I can't. lol
[–]Soultrane9 1 points1 points1 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
it's not that simple who I should be approaching...
My rule of thumb back in college when i was starting up was "would i get a boner to that creature's naked body"? If the answer is yes then you should approach.
Escalation is key. My record for making out is 20 seconds after saying hi, and 2 hours for sex after saying hi. What's yours?
[–] points points points 56 years ago | Copy Link
I'm gonna try out that same rule of thumb haha. And shit dude I don't know, but I'm gonna beat that.
Be aware tho, you will be shit tested by your peers if you hold this rule.
Especially if you go for people who are below your group's SMV. I smashed a 5 from my friend's girlfriend's circle one time. Because it was free. She just offered her pussy after two bottles of wine.
The amount of shit i was getting at the next social gathering from the other girls was sad. The guys also liked to point at ugly girls and ask me if i want to take her home. But at least i got to learn how to spot a friend.
[–]masterrod0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
What else are you doing in your life? There is the possibility that women are afraid of you.
I've considered this but then I wondered if I was just trying to stroke my ego
Uhhh idk I'm staying busy. Stem major, top university, clubs, lifting, parties. How's this relevant to them being afraid?
[–]masterrod-1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link
What do you want to do in your life? It sounds like you're just staying busy
Attractiveness can be a detriment.
Not sure to be honest, get a nice job with a high salary, probably get bored after a while, do something new. Idk.
[–]masterrod-1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago [recovered] (0 children) | Copy Link
Well you need to find that thing that you're passionate about, your real purpose.
Other than that just make moves when you want to, see what happens. Holding a hand, touching a shoulder, rubbing up against someone, can help..
[–]kingofpoplives0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You are passive. You expect a woman pick you up and make you her boyfriend.
It is the man's job to do that!
It doesn't matter how good looking a guy is. If he does not take action he will not get laid. Become a master of action and your problem with attracting women will be over.
Thanks bro, just gotta internalize this now..
[–]TitsAndWhiskey0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Probably #3.
[–]redpillromp0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Probably #3, and possibly your coming across as self absorbed to mask insecurity. I swear to god chicks can smell that on you. People have already pointed you to the sidebar, personally what helped me was to remember my ABCs.
Yeah I believe that chicks can smell that shit on guys, and I don't doubt I'm insecure, but according to people I come across as nice/non-chalant, thankfully the vanity that's going on in my head isn't showing through. Thanks for that video, I'll remember it.
[–]1oldredder0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I definitely don't make any kind of action without thinking about it first, and I think what my problem is is that I don't escalate with girls because I don't see their signals
So... you answered our own question.
I've made lots of comments but zero posts. You know why? Because I answer my own question as I formulate it and I realize I don't need everyone else's answers.
Furthermore: I'll suggest some more aggressive alphas don't care about the signals (indicators of interest) or even other signals (red flags) and just GO for it. The solid rejection is the "go away" and everything else is "keep escalating".
This doesn't work for everyone. I suggest never ignoring red flags. I suggest looking for IOI's for real instead of steam-rolling ahead. It's your personal choice. You don't have to do anything I say.
3) I'm getting the signals but I'm too stupid to notice them/too pussy to act on them so I claim that they were never there.
My gut would say option 2 but since you mentioned this yourself I can only suggest you explore that as much as possible and to defeat it you can go aggressive and see what happens. That will clear a lot up really damn fast.
Honestly I'm getting a bit lonely here
Girls can sense that and it reeks of low quality. I don't have that emotion anymore so no girls can sense it at all.
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