Can anyone explain this?

SirKolbath · 2019-01-31T18:03:47+00:00

Let me give you an analogy.

There was a British airman during WWII who was forced to eject during the Battle of Britain. His chute didn’t open, and he fell through the skylight of a factory. He was found with a broken leg, smoking a cigarette, by the night watchman.

Does that mean that you should skydive without a chute? Nope. It is not an example to follow.

Your friend has no frame. But something else he’s doing is keeping girls coming back to him. He is not an example to follow.

spider_1337 · 2019-01-31T18:04:21+00:00

If his smv is high enough then he can call them out and would be somewhat acceptable provided that she is lower smv than him.

Women also like a man that can give her both negative and positive spikes in emotion almost like going on a rollercoaster ride of feelies.

Who knows maybe he just might be alpha, from a certain point of view. Alpha doesn't necessarily mean a caveman that knocks chicks out with a club and takes them back to his cavehouse after all...

UnluckyPenguin · 2019-01-31T18:33:49+00:00

How is it possible that blowing up on girls and calling them out on their bs makes them more attracted?

There's a difference between words on a screen and actually losing your cool in person.

TRP says that keeping frame is the most important thing, how can losing frame in such a way work in his favor?

He refused to play inside the girl's frame, and brought them into his.

Does age have anything to do with this? Is this just younger girls being attracted to “assholes”? Would older girls be less receptive to this?

If everyone likes you all the time, then you aren't being genuine. People who are genuine are like a breath of fresh air. Who wouldn't be receptive to that?

INNASKILLZ2K18 · 2019-02-01T00:58:51+00:00

It may be a display of dominance. It doesn't sounds like he's coming off butthurt, but more out-raising their level of insult. It's a really subtle thing, but it's kind of different to breaking frame. You're actually calling them out FROM your frame.

It's brutal authenticity and honesty. If you think of making a girl submit to your frame, it's the most direct form of doing that.

'IDGAF what insult you give me, because THIS is the fucking truth about you'. It's daring, dominant, take no shit. It's higher status, and shows he's not going to fuck around. They obviously concede right away.

If done right, I don't see it as breaking frame, it's more a nuclear way of passing a shit test. Usually we try to show a woman she can't test our frame, that it's real. We can be a bit dismissive, and indirectly communicate. This is a DIRECT way of saying 'you don't even have a right to question my frame'. I like it. It's extremely raw, to the point and honest.

'I'm not butthurt...here's why your ass has no right to question me'. Boooom, that's pure dominance. Mastery of frame, and totally destroying you're attacker. You're saying real shit they know is true. It shows you do not give a fuck when it comes to holding frame.

You're not just dodging a shit test, or going straight for their surrender. You go straight for a sweet spot that gets them. Almost like a shit test back. He goes right for their frame. 'Seriously, tell me how a chick who gyms, but is fat, can tell me I'm ugly'? Direct shit test. As long as their test didn't butthurt you, it's also a pressure flip. You directly put pressure right on their frame.

IF you do this shit right, it creates a feeling of real power. How to truly stop all shit tests? Directly and honestly expose all credibility of the attacker. Most don't have the balls to do it.

Vikingcel · 2019-01-31T19:39:34+00:00

His smv is likely significantly higher than that of those chicks

Bleu_Cheese_Pursuits · 2019-02-01T00:03:25+00:00

Calling girls out on their BS isn't losing frame. Most guys are timid supplicants to women, because they are essentially afraid of them or they think that being the white knight will get them laid. This guy isn't so naive. A girl insulting your appearance is a shit test.

Younger girls are higher SMV than older girls and are generally more prone to shit-testing, although that by no means means that older women aren't liable to engage in it to an extreme degree as well. So it isn't a matter of older girls being more receptive so much as it is a matter of men being responsive to the shit tests. But yeah shit-tests are womens' tool for finding alphas, and alphas don't commit; eventually a woman wants to hop off the cock carousel and settle down, and she (consciously or not) realizes that incessant shit-testing is not the best strategy to find the kind of guy who would be willing to do that (beta-bucks)

walawalawa · 2019-02-01T00:49:11+00:00

I had a friend who similarly kept talking about all the girls in our social circle he was banging.

It sounded amazing until I took a look at WHO he was banging: MILFs, Fat Chicks, 6's, over 35's. Basically fishing with dynamite.

Right. I'm banging fewer girls but they're younger, hotter, tighter.

Don't compare yourself to others. Set proper benchmarks and meet them.

ac_bro · 2019-01-31T22:07:15+00:00

He’s very attractive, believe it or not game is very overrated and all you need is the absolute basics . It pretty much became a coping mechanism, “ i got rejected 10 times out of 10 today , but it’s because of my game that I’ll have to improve more , it s not my looks because those can be impossible to improve for a lot of people “ .

A jaw implant will do you way more good than that pua crap .

You can be the neediest wimp and still have hot broads chase you if you have the chad thundercock genetics (height and face then to a lesser degree muscles)

MGRaiden97 · 2019-01-31T18:48:42+00:00

He sounds like the typical Nice guy, which girls don't like

He must be doing something you're not noticing

jerrymcguiver · 2019-01-31T20:57:02+00:00

Chicks dig guys with roller coaster emotions to drive theirs. I blow up on my wife and she blows me. It's like a drug for them they get the low of being called a bitcb etc. Then the high of makeup sex etc. Not saying it's healthy but they dig it like any other drug can be addicting.

dr_warlock · 2019-01-31T23:02:10+00:00

Have to know the girls SMV. If they're not attractive, it doesn't mean anything.

rDiothe · 2019-01-31T23:25:36+00:00

I agree, the girls SMV COULD be low.

The other thing as some people pointed out is just the raw emotion the girls get. It’s the “energy” on the guy. They can “smell” the alpha in him.

Just from observation, there are actually a ton of random verbal cues, body language indicators, tone of voice, eye contact and a lot of other bullshit that indicate to women what kind of guy you are. And as always remember, girls don’t think of this as “alpha” or “beta”. They usually call it “hot” or “big dick energy” when they’re joking with each other.

I would never advocate to “learn” these body indicators even though it’s cool to know of them. TRP has the right idea because it’s about changing your mindset. Think of the manspread. Why is “manspreading” seen as “dominant”?

Generally because men who do it believe that they deserve all that space. They inherently feel entitled to it. They are “selfish”. They are their own mental point of origin as Rollo puts it.

I see lots of decently alpha guys that randomly blow up on people, or make fun of girls a LOT. I’ve hooked up with girls like this.

It’s not as “classic” as a James Bond alpha-stoic type or a suave playboy type but there’s “alpha” in it.

Its like the difference if you’ve seen Narcos between a guy like Pablo, who is pretty calculated, and then a guy like the “Mexican” as they called him, whose just an alpha psychopath hothead who screams a lot.

It’s the “no fear” factor. BIG MAN ON CAMPUS frat-boy asshole type of effect - I WOULD imagine

anon1moos · 2019-02-01T03:53:42+00:00

Girls like to feel a variety of emotions. It’s 2019, she can handle finances and shit. They want a dude that will get them to feel highs and lows. Highs are higher when contrasted with lows. RSDJulien used to teach this crap.

Also, if they’re passing -your- shit tests, it makes them feel special. In contrast to when she’s around the other 100 guys a day supplicating at their feet.

wobbleelbbow · 2019-02-01T06:56:56+00:00

Women like confident men who do not give a fuck.

Velebit · 2019-02-01T06:25:57+00:00

Alpha is a word for the animal that leads the pack. It is a TITLE not a trait.

Idiots here that think alpha is a personality trait that includes being aloof, even tempered, patient, undauntable etc is in the wrong.

Alpha is someone that has enough power to abuse it. Like having fuck you money, alpha males and females have fuck you social power. They can afford to be arbitrary, unfair, blow up, be rude while requiring you to be all nice (the definiton of dominance) etc.

Title	Can anyone explain this?
Author	Jabbermouth
Upvotes	13
Comments	27
Date	January 31, 2019 5:59 PM UTC (7 years ago)
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