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Difference between a narcissist and an Alpha?

CashMeOnRedditDD

March 25, 2018
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Title Difference between a narcissist and an Alpha?
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CashMeOnRedditDD

Upvotes 4
Comments 14
Date March 25, 2018 5:23 PM UTC
(8 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/askTRP
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/asktrp/comments/8725o7/difference_between_a_narcissist_and_an_alpha/
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[–]melonsle8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, alphas don't exist, its a confused person's short-hand for a self-realized man.

Narcissists do exist. There are lots of interesting examples of them.

Main difference between self-realization and narcissism would be... hmm. whats the easiest to spot indicator?

Narcissists are constantly bitching out other people who are their supposed "enemies", whereas a self-realized person won't have a lot of enemies and will move away from them. Narcissists are always at war with other people. So that's a clue to the difference. I think there are many, many differences.

[–]ichivictus6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I believe there is a big difference. There are blue pilled narcissists who try to act alpha, but then you see them crash and burn after something like a divorce or being unemployed.

An alpha is aware of his narcissism and is able to control it. A true narcissist (NPD) is unaware and allows it to control him.

[–]Ramp_Up_Then_Dump5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Alpha is not the bag of every good trait. There is no need to put everything in it.

Dark triad is advantage if you want get laid. Narcissm is in triad. So narcissm is part of alpha, controllable or not.

[–]jm510 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There are blue pilled narcissists who try to act alpha, but then you see them crash and burn after something like a divorce or being unemployed.

Or losing an election.

[–]rcwhitaker1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Real grandiosity will help you get laid in the short term. Not much question about that imo. These people aren't "faking" anything, they are deeply deluded into actually believing they are more valuable than they are.

So of course this works out in the short term, because no one yet knows that you are actually hiding a loser child deep down whose never grown up, but in the long term this eventually comes out. If the Narcissism which compensates for it persists, then the narcisissm remains an impediment for future growth.

[–]wawakaka2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They could be one and the same

[–]NewBoomAction1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Narcissism is a trait one is born with.

Alpha is simply a broad term. To many definitions for this word.

To me: Alpha is a RP term. It's a lifestyle I strive for. To be in the top 1% of mankind.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't agree. Unless its clinical narcissism, it can be embedded into someone through nurture rather than nature.

I was an incredibly kind and empathetic kid, but being an only child with shitty controlling helicopter parents I definitely developed some seriously narcissistic tendencies that have led to me being unhappy.

The so called "natural alpha" and the narcissist are often going to present themselves the same way, however deep down the narcissist is extremely insecure while the natural alpha has been caught in a positive feedback loop since childhood and therefor has no reason to be anything but confident and happy with themselves.

[–]450k_crackparty 1 points1 points1 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I respectfully disagree (sort of). There are true, natural alphas. Maybe they aren't born with it, but they are created at the early stages of their life.

If you've met them, you know who they are. One can definitely strive for alpha status and embody alpha traits (which is what this board is all about) but never become a natural.

And to answer OP question. Yes true alphas are narcissistic (its a necessary quality to some degree) but not text book narcissists. They have empathy. They help out their friends.

[–]melonsle0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The alpha/beta dichotomy originally applied to wolves kept in captivity, before it was proven to not be a concept existing among wolves in the wild.

If you've met them, you know who they are.

Have you ever spoken with one of these dudes, explaining you thought of him as an 'alpha' and other people as 'betas'? It seems like that would be an interesting way to get feedback about this concept. From the horse's mouth, as it were.

[–]NewBoomAction0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It seems like you agree with me. I provided my definition of alpha. You've provided yours. I said there are many definitions.

I do not agree a natural alpha is a thing. Adapt or die. Alpha is always in flux depending on environment.

[–]3chazthundergut0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"alpha" generally describes a dominant male who signals "good genes" to women and inspires genuine desire in them

"narcissism" is when a person becomes obsessed with themselves

Men who are high-value tend to be more narcissistic, because they have more reason to think highly of themselves.

Also women abhor being worshiped. Beta men love to put women on a pedestal and worship at their feet, and this is the most unattractive thing to women. Chicks are drawn towards narcissistic men because they do not pedestalize them or worship them. They see themselves as the prize, and this is a very attractive quality to women.

[–]jm510 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Two people, equal everything, except that one is alpha and one is a narcissist. (The two traits can overlap.)

Not much to choose between them when the going is good but when it hits the fan, the narcissist blames others and the alpha takes full responsibility for the fuck up.

[–]Daegran -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Narcissists are terribly selfish people who think they're alpha while in reality they're even lower on the pecking order than betas.

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