[Harsher realities question]- Ugly chick, no confidence, no life. She lifts, gets mad gains, makeup, becomes interesting... she always still be an ugly chick. How are we different?

Guillz · 2016-05-03T21:35:47+00:00

See, you are evaluating men from a mans perspective.

Men see hot bitches, the tighter the ass, the better the tits, the more you want to drill her.

Women see men on a different level. Its not as much about looks with them as it is about confidence, status, money, fun times, danger, or put in one word, Vagina Tingles.

Even if you are bad looking, getting into shape will mean your posture will be better, confidence will rise, and overall health goes up, and that all signals to her lizzard brain part ''yo this guy has good genetics, i should let him into my vagina''

Ofcourse, some mediums are hard as an ugly guy, Tinder and overall online dating is MUCH easier when you have a good face, and are ripped.

But overall, if your game is tight, you will allways manage to date above your league.

Think of it as playing the game of life on hard mode.

mogdit · 2016-05-03T21:57:35+00:00

Ugly dude here, but I could definitely be uglier by not doing these things:

Working out occasionally and keeping my food habits on the healthier side.

Have basic hygenics and know at least how to groom myself to look better.

Be passionate with my hobbies and make sure they are of the productive sort.

Facing the daily challenges and set plans which are manageable.

Keep in touch, be the one who contacts people and arrange social platforms.

Have a job/keep bills in check and know how to manage personal finance.

Be open minded, take up opportunitet as they presents, challenge yourself and the anxiety which sets you back.

Etc.

While these things are not directly related to how my face looks like, it absolutely contributes to charisma one person might have which is also an important factor in attractiveness. In other words attractive as a partner but still ugly. But still attractive. I'm pretty sure I would be a 3/10 or even lower in the looks department IF I gave up taking care myself. But higher in the overall attractiveness scale since I practice more aspects of life than in only looks. Unfortunately as social media is the norm and its all about posting your selfies on insta, fb, snap, tinder, happn and so on. It has become easier to base an entire human being on their profile photo rather than what makes this person. It's a game which gets lots of attention to the winners of those whom play this game.

Best way for a dude with below average looks is to not play this game because it will simply leave in disappointment. Spend time growing yourself instead of seeking for approval.

tl;dr: While someone are dealt better cards than you, It's about how you play the cards and turn them into a better hand.

Bannedito · 2016-05-04T01:39:30+00:00

They ugly girls I've known who get legit fit usually pull someone decent.

FrameWalker · 2016-05-03T21:49:29+00:00

Ive seen girls take care of themselves and slide up 2-3 points.

VasiliyZaitzev · 2016-05-04T05:31:51+00:00

From a biological standpoint, men look at women for one thing: driving our DNA into the future. That's it. That's why we look for "beauty" (which is really facial symmetry) and youth (which indicates fertility) and a .67-.72 waist to hips ratio (does she have the hips that will shelter a growing baby in her womb?) and long hair (which indicates a lot about a woman's health).

We do not need women to feed us by bringing home brontosaurus steaks.

We do not need women to protect us from invaders/criminals.

We do not need women to lead us, to solve problems, to be able to act in case of emergency, etc., etc.

Anything that a woman brings to the table besides her ability to bear children is a "bonus" to us. Thus, if she can cook really well? Speak French? Has some other handy talent that makes her more useful? That will raise her "RMV" (relationship market value) but not her SMV.

God/Nature/Aliens put women here to reproduce. We are sexually dimorphous for two reasons:

A. If food is scarce, a healthy male can cover a shit load more territory locating resources than a woman can, let alone a heavily pregnant woman.

B. Sexual (as opposed to asexual) reproduction can cross breeding lines and create an organism that is more "fit" in Darwinian terms. Thus if one genetic line produces high intelligence, and another has offspring with greater physical strength, they could be crossed to produce physically strong, intelligent offspring.

Women select men for fitness not only for genetics, i.e. being good-looking, but also for intelligence and "success" in life, whether that is "ability to kill a sabertooth" or "makes bank at a Fortune 500 company or as an entrepreneur". This explains 'shit tests'. Shit tests aren't about whatever they appear to be on the surface. Shit tests are about whether or not you know how to handle women, i.e., if you can't handle a shit test from a 110lb woman, how could you possibly protect her/her future offspring from an actual threat? Are you a leader? etc.

Thus, for men, as follows:

Looks: 1-2 points

Money: 1-2 points

Game: 6 points.

VasiliyZaitzev

TRP Professor of Evolutionary Biology

AFPJ · 2016-05-03T21:37:03+00:00

Beauty is a woman's primary asset, not a man's - your looks matter about as much as her salary / education.

Whisper · 2016-05-04T04:52:17+00:00

Both male and female attractiveness are much more malleable than we think.

passepar2t · 2016-05-04T07:56:36+00:00

Built ugly guys look tough and intimidating, which many women like.

Kenny_Twenty · 2016-05-03T22:04:41+00:00

My basic understanding is that it has to do with investment vs benefit.

Men evolved to impregnate as many healthy women as possible. Physical attractiveness is, in a sense, indicative of health. What we perceive to be attractive is what we subconciously percieve to be healthy. A healthy sexual mate will have a good chance of bringing offspring to viability.

Now, because there is VERY little investment actually required from men (shooting sperm into a vagina - which we can do several times a day, everyday), it's not terribly necessary to ensure that we've chosen a good mate. We can impregnate many many women and hopefully a few will turn out to be good investments.

Conversely, the investment required of women is massive. They can produce only one human about every 9 months and then still must invest a huge amount of resources into ensuring viability of offspring. Because of this reason, it's important for women to do a LOT of research into determining which men are worthy of the investment. Not only is it important that a man provide good, healthy genes; further deduction of the man's behavior is important.

Raising a child is difficult and time consuming so when deciding which man a woman will allow to impregnate her, details like: can and will be be able to provide adequate resources to the family? Can/will be protect the family? Is he likely to live long enough to continue to provide these things? Does he have the social status that will provide him with an advantage in providing these things? Is he emotionally sound enough to not make enemies and, subsequently, put the familiy's safety at risk?

So since women stand to make a much more significant sacrifice than men, it's extremely important that they choose their mate wisely. Otherwise they risk wasting all that time and energy and not passing on those genes. And if you are a man of deductive ability, you can probably reason out the fact that women who posess the gene that compels them to be very selective when choosing a mate are the women who are going to then pass along those genes, out competing women who are less selective and thereby establishing the status-quo of being very selective.

play_time_is_over · 2016-05-03T22:12:02+00:00

Women do not care nearly as much about facial asthetics.

If you're ugly. Like butt fuck ugly, as in 2/10 Then go for the "criminal" look. Get big and get tattoos.

If you're a 4 - 7 in looks theb just lift, dress well, groom well and you will be fine.

If you're an 8-10 it just means you don't have to lift as heavy or dress as nice. Yet it's not the be all and end all as it is for women.

You don't need to be an adonis to get women.

You just need to be above average.

UmbrellaCorp1961 · 2016-05-04T05:39:11+00:00

You are thinking about 18-30 year olds.

Simple fact is that no one is definitively successful or unsuccessful in this age group. You might be a bum but who knows you might end up inventing a billion dollar start up. Or you might be a hot shot surgery resident, but that just means you work 80 hour work weeks for 40k stipend. Thus most women select men on how pretty they are.

On the other hand where are the pretty 37 year old bums? Huh? When reality hits how successful and put together you are matters the most.

Drogba006 · 2016-05-04T07:06:30+00:00

Women like men for things other than physicality. It's that simple

PantsonFire1234 · 2016-05-06T11:54:35+00:00

If you have huge physical limitations all you can do is mitigate them, not overcome them. If you have small physical limitations you can overcome them but you can't change them. Remember this. It's better than nothing.

[Harsher realities question]- Ugly chick, no confidence, no life. She lifts, gets mad gains, makeup, becomes interesting... she always still be an ugly chick. How are we different?

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