stumbled upon TRP using random button - I have some questions

vandaalen · 2017-01-17T13:27:29+00:00

I am giving you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you are genuine, although I don't really believe you, but whatever,

It seems like the difference between an 'alpha' and a 'beta' is the dark triad (DT).

Nope. It's just accepted that certain aspect of the dark triad can be benefitial for you, since women are attracted to that kind of behaviour and acting more machiavellian will help you advance much more.

That said, it is also well-accepted that all of them are part of a mental disorder and that actually being DT will bring as much negative aspects as they bring positive things.

Not many do subscribe to the idea of trying to cultivate traits connected to the DT as well. It's just a subset of people here who actually do.

In short an alpha is aware of the dynamics of the sexual market place and acts accordingly. He furtherly creates and follows his own moral codes and agenda. There is much more to it, but it's too elaborate to put into one sentence. You will have to read it on your own.

Is getting love, affection and sex the main goal?

No. The main goal is to be able to find a positive male identity and lead a happy life in a world that increasingly despises of and acts hostile towards masculinity.

what if you are able to get all of those without being classically 'alpha'?

If you have girls throwing themselves at you but are kind to people in general and are feminist

Kindness and weakness are two different things. It is always about the motivation behind your actions. Are you acting kind because you genuinly want to help a person in a situation, or are you acting kind, because you hope to manipulate people, expecting them to act favourable for you in the future? And is it a woman you are doing those things for because you are hoping that by being nice you are able to talk your way into her panties? The former is absolutely OK, while the latter is the kind of behaviour you'd expect from a chump.

Why is feminism so derided?

Because it isn't about equality, but about creating and securing privileges for a certain part of the population. There is also more than enough available on that topic in the main sub. Just search for it.

Calling yourself a male feminist is the same as being black and a white supremacist btw.

How is the red pill not just another way of forcing men to behave in ways they don't naturally want to and telling people to fit the cookie cutter?

Nobody is forced to do anything. You want to stay the pathetic slob you are? Fine. Nobody gives a shit about you unless you do yourself.

It looks like everyone is told that to be a success they have to be 'alpha' which is a narrow band of dominating actions and body shape.

Again: nobody is forced to behave in any way. We do not make the rules. they already exist and they are ingrained. You can choose to accept them and play by them or you don't, but do not expect miracles to happen and the world to change just for you and to what you wish it was like.

Isn't this just the substitution of one tyranny (the one that seems to be called 'feminism') for another?

It's not possible to opress yourself. It's a tyranny you put upon yourself or don't. Once you choose to do so though, you'll be surprised how much you'll enjoy bullying yourself into doing things that are benefitial for you.

I would think that women aren't all the same, just like men aren't are all the same, so what would be appealing to one woman wouldn't appeal to another and vice versa.

"All women are like that" is the most important core tennet. There are no exceptions, there are only nuances.

All healthy women share the same basic traits as all men do as well. It's the same as with nutrition. We may all have our preferences when it comes to eating and drinking, but ultimately, we all need the same basic components to keep our bodies working and we all share the same mechanisms that make sure as good as possible that we do get them.

You can either accept it or not, but this is no point that is up for debate here. If you want to discuss it, go to /r/PurplePillDebate, although it's been discussed there millions of times before.

Archwinger · 2017-01-17T17:37:02+00:00

Your head is full of ideas that aren't true.

1- Forget the "alpha" and "beta" crap. That's just shorthand for "behaviors that are sexually attractive to women" and "behaviors that make a woman feel comfortable and secure". The two behaviors are often (usually) mutually exclusive. Women like a nice guy who treats them well, but that nice guy doesn't make them horny, just comfortable. Hence why women tend to fuck exciting assholes while making friends with decent nice guys who never seem to be their type.

The Red Pill really isn't about changing or fixing society. It's not a set of rules or an agenda we're trying to push. It's just a set of observations. "Hey, we've noticed that guys who do X get laid, and guys who do Y don't get laid. If you want to get laid, do X and don't do Y." That's really all there is to it. The Red Pill didn't make these rules. It's not advocating for these rules. It's just noticing these rules and telling men a good way to maximize their sexual opportunity.

2- The Red Pill is about male sexual strategy. I wouldn't say that sex is the "main goal" in life as a whole, but that's the goal of this subreddit. If you want to get in shape, you check out a fitness subreddit. If you want to talk about cars, you go to a car subreddit. If you want to talk about sexual strategy, you go here.

Generally, getting laid is about 80% looks and status. You don't have to be "classically alpha" to have sex. Most guys in the world end up having some sex, some relationships, and end up married. So clearly some guys who aren't "alpha" are still getting laid. But The Red Pill is about maximizing your sexual opportunity, not just having a few girlfriends growing up and eventually ending up married and having once-a-month duty sex with a nagging wife. If a guy is happy with his sex life, good for him. He doesn't need The Red Pill. If he thinks his sex life could use some improvement, we're here.

3- Feminism is hilarious. Women are already equal, and have been for a long time, but now that they have that, it's not enough. Now, where I sit on airplanes relative to children and the position my legs are in when I sit in a subway car is of paramount importance. It's like the movement is just pushing and pushing to see what it can get away with before people slap it across the face and tell it to get back in the kitchen.

4- You've bought into the feminist lie that masculinity is fake. Just a mask. That men aren't really like that, but we all pretend that we're "manly" because we're deathly afraid of being called gay.

Men really are like that, but as a society, we started medicating young boys for acting like boys in school, we've removed fathers from the home, we've shamed traditionally masculine behaviors and impulses and thoughts. Society has gone to war against masculinity, declaring it evil, toxic, dangerous, and outdated.

The latest front in this war is pushing the idea masculinity doesn't even exist. That it's all a bunch of fake men acting macho when they're not really like that. That we're all really just women inside, but we're pretending to be masculine out of fear. That we're all unhappy and need to be freed from these terrible gender roles.

That's bullshit. The huge majority of men want to be men, but society keeps repressing masculinity. The placid, milquetoast, nice guy who fits in and doesn't act like a man -- that's the mask. That's the faker who's pretending to be something he's not.

5- While all women are not identical, all women are women. Remember, The Red Pill is sexual strategy, not a doctoral thesis on human psychology. While yes, women have different personalities, the huge majority of women are sexually attracted to pretty much the same stuff. If you want to get laid more and have more power in your relationships with women, the path is pretty clear. No matter what the particular women are like, personality-wise.

Willkuer_ · 2017-01-17T14:12:42+00:00

About 5)

Women are not only attracted to the perfect alpha male examples. Attraction is much more complicated than just telling a woman wants to fuck an alpha and that's it. All human's have desires and most of these change over time for different reasons.

TRP is a global optimization strategy. The girls you as a man typically physically desire in your twenties to thirties/forties are those who often prefer the typical alpha male over the typical beta male. These girls are peaking in their SMV during their twenties. Are there exceptions? Sure. But the point of a optimization strategy is not to optimize for exceptions but to find the optimal conditions for the majority.

AWALT is the most controversial misinterpreted concept of TRP. Most new users interpret AWALT as 'all women are sluts', 'all women want to be fucked by chad', 'all women cheat', 'all women want your money' but that's not the main concept. AWALT means that all women have a certain amount of desires that they need to fulfill and that they use means/tools to fulfill these needs a typical BP male would not. It is absolutely valid to fulfill your needs. AWALT means to accept the female nature as it is.

You shouldn't be astonished that your dog shit into your apartment when you didn't take him on a walk. You shouldn't be astonished if your child doesn't follow your lead if you are constantly changing your opinion. You shouldn't be astonished if your friends hate you when you repeatedly borrow money and never return it. You shouldn't be astonished when your girl fucks another man when you were not having sex with her for some months.

TRP means to accept the world as it is. Not pretend to live in a world that only exists in your and other's mind. To be honest I think feminism and TRP are validating themselves. They offer two different solutions to the same problem. Feminism however is not accepted by the society especially most women (except for the desperate BP manginas) while TRP concepts are in general accepted by almost everybody.

Feminism is the revolution nobody wants to have while TRP is reflection.

oldredder · 2017-01-17T15:32:54+00:00

3) Why is feminism so derided? There are so many types of feminism,

There's really only one brand of feminism: it's exploitation of men to benefit women.

Naturally men who realize they deserve to be treated better will never accept this.

4) How is the red pill not just another way of forcing men to behave in ways they don't naturally want to and telling people to fit the cookie cutter?

reddit's TRP could be but the non-reddit "red pill" isn't.

Then again if anyone in life wants to benefit socially the one way to do that is to be either more cookie-cutter or to be a leader controlling everyone else. Same for women.

I would think that women aren't all the same, just like men aren't are all the same

Shockingly those differences are so small they can barely be noticed - for men or for women.

Minor differences in preference of politics, style of clothing, eye-colour, is of no consequence to the larger script of life men each, and women each, seem to follow by instinct.

but considering how in your own experiences some people like some foods or some sports more than others, why would this not apply equally to a female's taste in men?

These differences have no power. They exist and yet mean nothing. Over-all the way the men behave in abstract is mostly the same. Same for the women. No matter a woman's taste she'll rank the men in her mind and cheat from one to another, she'll see the one who has more influence and dump the lesser men for that one.

[deleted] · 2017-01-17T19:57:14+00:00

The difference between alpha and beta is that an alpha is sexually attractive to women and a beta is sexually neutral.
The main goal is to use the tools in the toolbox to achieve your goals, whatever they are.
Feminism here is generally used to refer to third-wave feminism and intersectional (or what some people would call fourth-wave) feminism that is about feminine primary and not equality. Moreover, men and women are not equal. Neither are apples and oranges. That doesn't mean one is inherently better than the other. (Side note: There are several types of alpha approaches/see the above definition of alpha.)
It doesn't force men to do anything. There is no cookie cutter mold that people are trying to be stuffed into. Your misunderstanding here is your lack of understanding of alpha/beta and that they are simply used as shorthand for sexually attractive/sexually neutral.
Not all women want the exact same things, but there are some things most women want most of the time.

If you're genuinely interested in the development of the RP and where the terms actually came from and what their functionality is (eg: the common misunderstanding of what alpha/beta refer to in this framework), feel free to PM me. These are really common misconceptions you have, and it's completely understandable to have them with the "lore" that surrounds the RP praxeology by people who have never actually taken the time to learn about it.

BeijingTurkey · 2017-01-18T00:51:52+00:00

1) no 2) no 3) no 4) no 5) no

You clearly haven't read the sidebar material. Your vast assumptions are almost as cavernous as your gaping pussy.

ratthing · 2017-01-17T20:19:03+00:00

I don't know if OP was trolling, but thanks to all who answered here so far. I've gained an extra bit of extra understanding as a result of these great answers.

ecosci · 2017-01-17T23:12:07+00:00

You just dont stumble across redpill and get posting privilages so early are you a secret agent or something?but anyway HI PYSCOLOGOS

Title	stumbled upon TRP using random button - I have some questions
Author	phycologos
Upvotes	23
Comments	43
Date	January 17, 2017 12:32 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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