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Alternative Paths to Mastery for pickup Super Powers?

Phoenix1482 · 2020-01-05T16:23:25+00:00

I got into pickup initially to get girls but eventually discovered the benefits that far outweigh getting girls. To name a few: Confidence Superior social...

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January 5, 2020

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Title	Alternative Paths to Mastery for pickup Super Powers?
Author	Phoenix1482
Upvotes	7
Comments	48
Date	January 5, 2020 4:23 PM UTC (6 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/seduction
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[–]urbeatagain 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–]GeeseCTM -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago* (43 children) | Copy Link

Tyler says a lot of things, but one of my current students that I just started coaching spent $5,000 on RSD, and didn't learn a thing or improve. I get so mad when I hear stuff like that. And this is not the first guy who came to my coaching after taking RSD. one of the other guys, once said, spending a few hours over two days with me was like taking 3 RSD bootcamps even though one of them was with Tyler.

The newer student said that RSD has a group of minions that follow them around for years, and my question was, how come? How come these guys are still following RSD around years later? Shouldn't they have learned what they needed to learn and moved on with life by now? Isn't that a point of learning all of this? So they are not floating around pickup and seduction boards talking about what RSD taught them?

Once I teach my guys, they're done. They leave the pickup and seduction community because now they're out having success. So I love it when I get an opportunity to teach a guy on a whole other level once he's done with these so-called Pickup Gurus. It's like, "good, now that we got all that nonsense out of the way, let's really get to work!"

I'm only partially bragging, but what I'm pointing out is, you guys got to stop falling for these shysters. They actually cause you more harm than good. I can go around and really believe that I'm a millionaire, I can believe that I had millions of dollars & that I have the ability and the skills, and the mindset To Be A millionaire. But, if I just swim around with that false belief, and I don't actually try and change, I don't actually try and learn new skill sets and apply those skill sets, I'm not going to be a millionaire no matter how diluted I am into telling myself I am. That's the essence of RSD. A lot of kumbaya, hokey, feel good wishi-washi, woo woo nonsense that doesn't get guys any results whatsoever.

I'm not saying this to brag about how awesome I am. I am saying this illustrate, how many shysters are out there that have an army of followers, and they have absolutely no business coaching anyone. I believe that most coaches should at least be at my level of proficiency.

I mean for a while RSD was promoting how Julian was their superhero, And yet when you actually saw him in the public sphere when he had to go on CNN with Fredo Cuomo, he acted like a scared little boy with no social skills. He looked nervous, he mumbled, his body language was terrible, not confident at all.

https://youtu.be/Hh7IJkF_pNE

It's up to you guys to stop falling for nonsense and start having a higher standard that you set for yourself from the coaches and advice that you guys follow.

[–]john18809 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

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[–]GeeseCTM -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

You didn't even go through any of those links. You replied seconds after I posted that which means that you didn't even click on any of the links whatsoever. You're just one of those guys who sucks and you want to believe that because you suck no one else has an opportunity to improve. You're full of shit.

Every one of those guys is verifiable. If someone is ever serious about taking my coaching, and they want to, I will let them talk to those guys if they want.

You're the perfect example of crabs in a bucket. You can't figure this out on your own, it frustrates you and it makes you angry, and so you want to make sure that anybody else who wants to take an avenue that will get them success, you have to drag them down.

No one is allowed to have success because you can't have it.

Sorry dude, that's the exact attitude that's keeping you stuck in the shit.

Even if I had students come up to your face and tell you that they got laid, and that they had success with my coaching, you would try and convince yourself that I hired them or some nonsense.

You're a waste of time.

[–]john18809 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

[–]GeeseCTM 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

https://www.reddit.com/r/ForeverAlone/comments/e5oiua/does_anyone_else_feel_100_cold_fear_inside_of/f9ly4g3?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

There's you talking about how you're forever alone and that you're frustrated and you can't find a girlfriend. Dude, you think it's over if you can't find a Girl by the time you're 20?

I didn't even start this dating journey and learning about seduction or pickup or game until I was 31 years old. And at this point I've seen more clam than a seafood restaurant.

You can f****** hate me for trying to help guys and being successful, or, you can start being real with yourself, and start asking yourself better questions giving yourself more positive feedback and you can f****** make a change too, but you got to get out of your own way and right now you are your own your worst enemy, I can tell you that right now, my friend. You are the only person keeping yourself in the shit.

[–]john18809 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]GeeseCTM 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This video is not from me. I can tell, look you can be mad at me right now so I'm going to be genuine with you.

I'm f****** seriously not trying to take the piss right now.

because I care about guys and when they get mad at me I know that that's because it's coming from a place of f****** pain that they have in their own life.

And I'm telling you right now, you can f****** change and you can have the f****** success because there was a time where I was just as in the s*** as you are now and sad and unhappy and alone and I thought there was something wrong with me and all this f****** stuff.

I'm going to give you two lakes. They are not me. if you're worried about me being a guy who's a scammer, then you can actually just agree with that in your head and that's okay because I'm giving you someone else, Tony Robbins who is a multi-millionaire life coach who has changed the lives of millions of people...

Listen to what he says.

This is literally answering the comment you just made that I'm replying to right now.

https://youtu.be/OHNfqdL9_1Y - burn the boats

And I'm going to do something for you that probably no one else is going to do, especially someone who you just spent a bunch of time trying to take a big shit on.

I'm going to give you 6 hours of homework from this guy that if you start to listen to and apply and you really f****** take it seriously and you really listen to what he says it could change your life.

https://youtu.be/R--ExPGP0oE - Tony Robbins - Unleash the Power Within

SEDUCTION mindset for you to get started https://youtu.be/FoLq3a5iKSI - Zan

Good luck. Hate me all you want but I just gave you some powerful shit and I hope you find healing and happiness and abundance in your life including with women.

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[–]GeeseCTM 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You're completely misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm saying that if people are listening to shysters and filling themselves with a bunch of nonsense, it keeps them stuck for years. This is not about my student or some bias towards my student (whatever that's supposed to mean), I'm speaking about reality.

My goal is to help guys steer away from things that will keep them stuck and in a place of pain. my goal is to get them into a place of healing, prosperity, abundance success and happiness.

Guys need to let go of becoming Fanboys of these programs and so-called coaches and gurus and start focusing on ideas and workable step-by-step systemic skill sets, that will help a guy progress on his path so he can get the f*** out of the community of the seduction and pick up game, and back to his life because girls are now just a byproduct of his normal life, not some weird creepy thing that you have to do because you're this pickup guy or Fanboy of RSD for six or seven years.

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[–]GeeseCTM 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

I like this question.

So the idea is to make it a natural part of who You are.

But that again in and of itself is a wishy-washy concept without having application.

However, being a social person, is something that is completely acceptable and necessary if you're going to navigate through places especially big cities like Chicago, LA, New York City. The funny thing is many people move to those places because they want to be in a large community where there are plenty of people and plenty of opportunities.

But when they get to those places, they realize that those places are filled with people who have moved there without having social ability, so that those people quickly clammed up and shut themselves out to the very social interaction that they crave.

But that gives you a perfect opportunity to become a social magnet.

Because you can break people out of their shell and make their day by giving them the human contact that they crave and desire but have buried under a mountain of fear and self-denial.

So in other words, instead of becoming the approach machine and going out all the time to approach approach approach, create a lifestyle around yourself where going out is a normal thing. Instead of, you get up for work in the morning and you make your coffee at home and you cut your bagel in half and spread it with cream cheese from your refrigerator, you get your ass out of the house 20 minutes early or a half hour early and you go down to the local Starbucks where there's a lot of people hanging out in the morning on their way to work. You chill for 15 or 20 minutes, and though you're spending a little bit more money on that activity, it's also paying for the opportunity to get yourself out and be more social.

Same thing, maybe lunch time comes around, and instead of packing your bag, with your Apple and sandwich or whatever, go out to the promenade or go out and see if there's a cafe nearby, or just do a walk around the block and eat your Apple while you're walking, go somewhere where there's people and give yourself an opportunity to be social.

Workout at home? Bullshit go find a gym and find a gym that has a lot of attractive women.

Doing work at home on your laptop? Bullshit take your laptop to the local coffee shop or Whole Foods were they have a cafe set up and sit there and be in a public space.

And even if you have a choice between place a that sells their coffee for $0.75 and the coffee is amazing versus place b where they sell their coffee for $2.50 and it's just mediocre, but more women go to the place that charges more, go to that place.

And take your opportunities. At the end of the day you're going to have to approach. If you see an attractive girl, then you approach her. But what I would caution, or encourage rather, you to do it's to try and create a mindset for yourself that will combine with the method of your approach to make your approach has seemed almost nonchalant and incidental. Like almost accidental if you want to put it that way. Like you had no intention of approaching and it was all spontaneous. Movie moment.

If you can make your approach become seamless and spontaneous, then you're going to have much better luck.

But you're saying you want to focus less on the approach. Well for a while you may, but then what you do is that you start getting your timebridges set up and going on dates, and even if the date doesn't go that well, keep the girl in your phone. When you get about 10 of those girls, and a bunch of other phone numbers I suppose, and you have a few guy friends hopefully that you already have or meet because you're out being social, then you can hold a social event at your house. And just send a mass text out to everybody who you have and say, hey everyone, I'm throwing a get-together at my place. You're all welcome. Feel free to bring a friend. I'm going to be serving up some amazing cocktails, cool vibes and awesome music. Come to chill and have fun.

You see where I'm going with this? Make your life a social life. Don't chase approaches, put yourself in situations where approaching is a normal and natural everyday part of your life.

Also, if you have been learning yourself approaches correctly, you will probably also have heard the concept of be social with everybody, not just girls. I'm sure RSD has probably droned on about that at some point.

So when you're in all these social environments you're not just going to talk to girls you're going to talk to people who look interesting to you, be curious, have conversations, make it a natural part of your life. Complement the old lady at the coffee shop in the front of you, see some guy with a cool scarf behind you and say hey, where'd you get that scarf? I like it.

In other words, get it to where the, "I have to go approach," is no longer alien to you and becomes built into your system where it would seem weird if you didn't do it. Over time what actually happens is, when you do approach those girls, they're going to smell the vibe on you that this is a normal thing and it's not something outside of your reality. The only girls that react poorly to it are the super DieHard feminists that hate men anyway but everybody else, who doesn't have some weird hang-up, is going to just know that you're a normal cool guy who likes to talk to people and who people like to talk to which is the key. Not weird talky guy but guy who people love interacting with.

I hope you're following me so far.

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[–]GeeseCTM 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You know there are people who are married and are still extremely social individuals.

Some of these people will throw cocktail parties and things like that, and have people over for dinner parties or whatever.

If you ever watch the show curb your enthusiasm, they make it seem like it's pretty much a normal everyday thing.

As far as learning and improvement, life is a journey and you will always, always be learning and the day that you stop, well hopefully that's the day you're dead. But we should always be progressing and always learning and trying to improve.

Every self-help guru and master and philosophical genius out there echo that sentiment in one way or the other. Your entire lifelong journey is always about learning new things and discovering new skills and philosophies and mindsets.

Being married is just going to give a guy a opportunity to learn a different way so to speak. Also probably taking a lot of the pressure off, because now you can just go out and learn to be social without having that agenda of trying to score women. now you're just learning to be social for the sake of being social. You can't really even get rejected anymore because you're not trying to get anywhere.

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[–]GeeseCTM -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I have to ask, and if you don't want to answer this question that's fine cuz I'm not trying to put anybody on the spot. But when you took coaching with Tyler, did you get laid? Did he make sure that by the end of your coaching you at least had a woman in your life? Like I said, it's a hypothetical question, you really don't have to answer it here.

I say this because, when I coach guys that's like my priority that I set for myself. Unless the guy is out getting laid and being sexually active, I'm not done. Right now I have a client who I'm working with who already got laid during my coaching, and I'm still keeping him on as a student because I want to make sure that he's getting consistency.

When I started out doing my in field boot camps, I would combine doing it over the course of a few weeks, so I would take a guy out once or twice on a weekend, then I would send him home and give him things to work on during the week and then the next week we would go out again and I would do that because in one weekend a 3 day bootcamp he can't really teach a guy everything he needs to know. So instead of doing what all these other coaches do & following the same model as all the other boot camps, I started mentoring. I created my own model that works oustandingly.

On another note, I do want to stay that way way way way back in the day, Tyler did actually write some good posts. And there's one or two posts that I really liked from RSD, probably by people that are no longer part of their outfit. But yes, what they evolved into over the years has been pure trash.

[–]Hubblenobbin2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

But when you took coaching with Tyler, did you get laid?

Nah, there was a girl who wanted me to take her home if I said I'd be her boyfriend. The approach was actually tons of fun. Julien noticed a random guy doing poorly with a girl so he told me to calmly push the dude out of the way and introduce myself. In the end I wasn't that into her, she was about a 7. I had a couple near misses with hotter girls too.

I got laid at a concert a week later using their teachings though. Then at college another month afterwards.

Yeah I agree that a longer term coaching model is more reasonable, it takes time to get it working. Humans don't learn well with 'massed learning'. Like I said, the real value was in seeing what was possible (especially with State) and learning some fundamentals. I wrote copious notes and consulted with other more experienced players online. I also met a few wings, weirdos but they could pull. That's why I recommend pirating (they no longer sell it) their "Hotseat at Home", it has a 12 week training program.

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[–]CharacterNote 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I don't know why anybody would listen to Mark Manson

Dunno. He's thought of as the God of seduction on seddit from what i've seen. By far the most recomended reading on here

RSD are seen as Gods amongst men on youtube

And elsewhere, it seems to still be about mysterymethod

They seems to be the main 3

I can't talk about Manson as i've never seen him release any infields, so for all I know, he might have no chance of getting laid from cold approach. Anyone can claim to be able to bang 95% of girls they approach

Everyone could be a shyster, tbh. That could be why they all massively disagree on everything in terms of game, yet all apparently get laid lots (and some prove it with explicit infields in private groups)

I thinks it's simple. If you're her type, it's not that hard. If you're not her type, it's impossible. Move on. Approach a tonne and you'll likely get laid enough to be happy with that aspect of life

[–]GeeseCTM -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

If it was that simple, I wouldn't have gotten more ass than a toilet seat but I have. Routinely I would ask girls what their type is and I'm nothing close.

Routinely I ask girls what they like about me, or what it is that they find attractive about me, and they say, "I don't know it's the whole you." and I can ask those girls to show me what their type of guy is and they'll pick something not even close to me.

Game works. When you guys limit yourselves by saying, I'm either the girls type or I'm not the girls type, you are severely limiting yourselves.

The problem is, what you said. So many guys on here are listening to some shyster like Mark Manson tell them just be yourself and be genuine, that the entire concept of learning a skill set to become an attractive guy has flown out the window.

Mystery basically teaches outer game. His inner game is atrocious. He's a mental case with emotional problems. he's even been on Facebook multiple times talking about how his life is so horrible, he's alone, he can't help feel like committing suicide and things like that.

RSD we already talked about. I think a perfect balance is what is necessary. A guy like mystery was about 1% of the entire knowledge that I learned as far as game goes. There's a whole bunch of other ideas that we can apply to our skill-set from many sources and I was trying to write about that s*** yesterday and then I f***** up and deleted it and now I have to write the entire thing over again. That sucks.

But no, I'm not trying to say this to give you a hard time, I'm telling you. If you guys learn a proper skill set, worrying about whether you're a girl's type or not completely goes out the window.

Are there girls that will just not like you? Absolutely.

But are there girls who are going to be indifferent to you that you can actually steer towards becoming attracted to you with the proper knowledge and ability and practice on how to be more attractive? Yes. Absolutely.

And, something I think most guys haven't considered is, can you learn to be more attractive, over the course of time, with trial, error, practice, learning and improving yourself and your skillset (inner and outer), so that a girl that may not have been interested in you in the past, would actually be interested in you now?

Abso-fucking-lutely.

[–]CharacterNote -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

All i'll say is that i'm sure there's nothing you can tell me that i've not already read in terms of game/techniques etc etc

My belief in game is fairly 'set' at this point. Simply based on my own experiences.

I take with a HUGE pinch of salt anything someone who is trying to make money tells me nowadays (they all have 1000+ slay counts with models etc lol). The industry is crooked to the core. Especially without infields etc

I know you are obviously fishing for clients and that's fair enough in the world of business, but you seem quite guarded in terms of practical game advice and seem very 'inner game' orientated in terms of advice, although at the same time, you seem to talk down about innergame stuff and coaches who say 'be yourself', so i'm not sure yet what your angle is lol

YOu mentioned a post about your own game - maybe if/when you get around to re-writing that post it will clarify some stuff. As of now, I have no idea what your 'game' looks like. The sort of things you would say in set for example. What routines if any etc (although, as i say, I bet i've already used them :))

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You don't need a coach to get better at anything. You can play basketball with your friends, and never have a coach, and you can get to a decent level of skill. You can play football with your friends and never have a coach. You can start a business, and you can plug away for years doing trial and error and going and finding a bunch of free information, and you could probably get a decent amount of success.

You can be an artist, and just read free stuff, and you can develop abilities. You can be a singer or an actor, and you can learn it all on your own by scouring the internet and watching videos.

Sure, all that's possible, at least for a guy to want to reach a basic level of ability - to become average or below-average. But how come if someone wants to do any of those activities and EXCEL - to become outstanding, coaching is perfectly acceptable and even encouraged? But when it comes to learning something like seduction, guys have this weird idea that getting a coach is somehow bad or for losers or suckers. That's just pure, silly nonsense.

Guys act like this is the only activity on Earth where following advice from experts is bad or unnecessary, "just be yourself, just go out, if she likes you she likes you if she doesn't there's nothing you can do," Worst fucking mindset ever!

Every skill on Earth from being a doctor to a lawyer to a friggen shaman have mentors, people that they learn from, experts, and so on. This is not the only skill on earth that is exempt from that.

Fucking ridiculous when you guys say shit like that.

So yeah, a guy can learn any skill he wants and get mediocre success and be happy with that. But if guys want to get really good, and do it so that they don't have to spend years of their life, trying to scour the internet for free information that hopefully applies to them, and they won't end up back here in a place like this, in a few years time, posting posts like I see every single day saying, "I have been doing this for a long time, I've done thousands of approaches, and I still am not having any success, what do I do? I'm about ready to give up!" -- it makes perfect sense to have a coach or someone who knows what the hell they are doing who probably learned from other experts and probably got really good himself and is passing down the best possible knowledge to help people succeed and become their best.

Tell a guy who wants to get into the UFC, who you meet on the street and learned how to be a good Street fighter to go fight against those guys, who all have coaches, in the cage. He's going to get his ass kicked. It won't even be a fair fight.

Same thing in this game.

I'm a coach and I've had no less than three other experts that I've worked with who were other coaches who knew their shit. One of them wanted to hire me so I could be a coach for them. That was on TOP of thousands of hours of self-study, learning the "free shit" as you say, and countless hours in the field doing countless approaches, and then having so many successes that I was able to tweak my game off of the successes so I can even have easier successes in the future by noticing patterns that repeated themselves.

Go read a few free books on surgery and then go tell me how your job search for getting a job as a surgeon is going.

[–]grrinchas -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

This is such a wrong comparison...

90% of guys who I met, didn't want to be MPUAs. Don't believe?

Look at his seddit. Most of the guys don't want to be masters of seduction, they just want to find a gf, learn to talk with people etc. In other words, they don't want to be surgeons, just have some basic skills not to bleed to death.

Of course there are some guys who wants to level their game to expert level. But its a minority. We both know that it requires huge amount of dedication and work. Average guy doesn't have the mindset for that. So he pays thousands to some coach without understanding where he is going into it and gets either temporary results or no results at all.

We both know that self-improvement is something you must always do. You can't just pay some money, improve for a while and then quit. It does't work like that. So, I have to pay again, and again, and again? It's ridiculous. I met some guys who spend thousands of pounds to coaches, but when I asked them to wing me in 2 set, they chicken out. WTF?

And why the fuck, courses cost more than a car? It's ridiculous. Coaches exploits people basic need not to be lonely. They know that these guys will pay, cause they don't have any other option.

And it is pointless to argue with you cause you are biased.

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I have a lot of students that I work with who are married now. Married. These are guys who came to me some of them with very bad social anxiety who would have to leave a social venue because they were having panic attacks.I have clients that I worked within the last few months who now have long-term relationships with girlfriends..

I have current students who have been on dates and even had sex already, and I am still working with them to make sure I can install in them consistency.

You are right, there are a lot of garbage coaches on there, but the idea than is to not just say all coaches are s***. It's to find the ones that know what they're talking about.

Other than myself I'd be even happy to give guys a list if they don't want to get coaching from me and give them ideas of who the coaches are who I know will help them, so that they don't go and waste their money.