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nah, if you're not her type, you're not her type.
/r/seduction19/02/20 06:51 PM
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nah, i'm in the UK. 16 is age of constent. We don't have any age gap laws
/r/seduction29/01/20 02:20 PM
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it doesn't change much in that setting. Not a great deal. Plus, they say 'what you say doesn't matter' in game, so probably not worth overthinking it anyway
/r/seduction29/01/20 02:19 PM
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I'd lean towards 'fun'/outgoing. However, if you are very good looking, mysterious/aloof/quiet can be powerful
/r/seduction25/01/20 10:39 AM
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If this is what it sounds like (Some Asian girl being attracted to the big white Western Military man in her country, or something), you don't need to worry about 'text game' lol. You 'had' her the second she laid eyes on you.
/r/seduction25/01/20 10:36 AM
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correct
/r/seduction25/01/20 01:19 AM
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i got you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-_tUXEifvw
/r/seduction24/01/20 10:57 PM
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infield has been posted in this thread. Not sure whether the BBC doc is on youtube or not. It used to be
/r/seduction24/01/20 10:19 PM
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even his 'best' infields in his latest product are pretty damn bad. Like the ones where he claims he got laid even though the girl was only sticking around because her friend fancied Todd's wing. All of his game lines weren't working Or the other infield where the girl tried to get away and left without saying 'bye' and then he saw her leave and chased her down and she was shocked when he was stood next to her as she was wating for a cab! Then he begged her to share a cab as he was going the sam…
/r/seduction24/01/20 09:18 PM
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lol - I was actually gonna use that exact line in my reply to you!
/r/seduction24/01/20 08:54 PM
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yep - I know that about the Todd Vid. I own all of his products Secondly, ”I think Todd has the same success rate as the rest of us”. This is laughable I really don't think his approach to lay ratio would be much better than any 'normal' dude (i'm not talking about some oddball with no dress sense or whatever). He'd be better at turning 'yes girls' into sex. He'd get a FEW more girls who were 'maybe girls'. And just like the rest of us, as we saw in the vid, he'g get zero 'no girls' (as we all w…
/r/seduction24/01/20 08:53 PM
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Look at Todd's approach, he's pretty awkward right from the beginning - his body language is uncomfortable, his tonality is a weird combination of pretentious and submissive, and the lines he's saying are pretty weird His lines are always pretty weird like that, tbh Maybe they were no girls because of how he looks or because they were unavailable. But maybe they were no girls because his game sucked right from the beginning. And truthfully, you have no way to know which it is for certain. Agree
/r/seduction24/01/20 08:43 PM
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they can be taught the 'advanced techniques' in minutes. Problem is that they'd then try them on all the hot girls they know and find out that they aren't quite as advertised lol
/r/seduction24/01/20 06:34 PM
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You answered your own question - He kept trying, because he was trying to change their mind using these 'advanced techniques'. And i'm not even hating on him for that. (although he stuck in set way too long lol). What I mean by that is that it's good practice to stick in a little while to make sure they ARE 'no girls' and not just shy. But it should have been clear as day pretty fast that these girls weren't into him, and nothing he could say could change that fact. The problem with believing th…
/r/seduction24/01/20 05:29 PM
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I don't think Todd is actually that good/succcessful (probably has a similar success rate to most of us) HOWEVER, I think it's wrong that everyone is now judging him on that cringey infield that went viral That's simply how it looks when you try to 'plow' with girls who aren't attracted to you. Cringey. No matter how much you know about game. It ALWAYS looks cringey if someone is trying to game a girl who doesn't want to be gamed by you. And the result is always the same. A cringey rejection I t…
/r/seduction24/01/20 05:12 PM
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I can attract most 8's I rock up to at this point, I'm tempted to say 9's too. you sound way way more successful than all of the RSD guys (Todd Julien Tyler etc all get rejected lots by hot girls a good percent of the time by their own admission). You should make infields. If you really ARE not good looking and you can bang 9's at will, you could be the biggest PUA in existance and make some serious bank!
/r/seduction22/01/20 03:08 PM
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nah, it's more that game doesn't work on young girls unless they are physically attracted to you. It's a major pre-requisite for young girls. Older women are less about looks and more about personality/masculinity etc Also, most teens find it super awkward to be approached by a stranger and try to end the convo any way they can so don't really speak back etc. Wheras older women are more socially confident so you can actually reach teh hookpoint etc
/r/seduction22/01/20 02:08 PM
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your game was good enough (although not great. Needed to stay in set longer before going for a number ideall). LIkely You just weren't her type. That'll be the case 95% of the time unless you're some Brad Pitt lookalike lol. Some different 'lines' wouldn't have got her, tbh. Next!!
/r/seduction22/01/20 08:08 AM
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''All of my clients bang models now. I'm old and ugly and get more ass than anyone you've ever met. You can too once you learn MY idea of 'game' - PM me for details''
/r/seduction22/01/20 12:09 AM
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Could be that the girls you cold approached weren't into you (thus the bad reactions to your opener) but obviously, tinder girls are ALWAYS gonna be girls who think you are hot and are attracted to you (that's why they swiped right on you) so you just need to escalate with them girls to get laid
/r/seduction21/01/20 09:14 AM
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I'm generally a fan of Todd's work so seeing that video was a huge surprise for me. He gets rejected just as much as you or anyone else. He just tends to bury/delete infields like this one lol No fancy disqualification lines are gonna help when girls aren't interetsed, like in that vid
/r/seduction21/01/20 08:52 AM
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How does your roomate do it? Is he good looking? ps - I have many single friends who didn't get laid in 2019, so you're beating them! :) chin up!!
/r/seduction18/01/20 09:41 AM
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re-read it. The wing was very handsome. That's what happens when you try to game with a handsome dude. Everyone get's amogged to oblivion haha
/r/seduction09/01/20 04:35 PM
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She wouldn't on a date with you if she wasn't attracted
/r/seduction09/01/20 10:26 AM
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lol - if there's some adonis she is drooling over and she's not into you, you'll make yourself look like a dick trying to 'amog' him tbh lol.
/r/seduction09/01/20 09:26 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/8o8os0/frnight_out_with_my_handsome_mate/
/r/seduction09/01/20 09:12 AM
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agreed. Go up and open a girl who looks at you with contempt and is like ''I don't wanna talk to you. Not interested. Go away''. Then try to run 'game' on her (neg, cold read, disqualify yourself, self amuse bla bla bla) and then get back to me! :) If she's not into, that's that. Move on. You're 'game' and PUA tricks won't do Jack shit. Even infields prove this, tbh Of course on occassion she's just a bit shy or wahtever, but you should know when that's the case (and that she's simply not remote…
/r/seduction07/01/20 08:52 PM
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indicator of interest - like, she'll look at you and flick her hair, or touch you lots, or she'll fill in the gaps in the convo etc etc
/r/seduction06/01/20 08:22 PM
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Depends. Someone could be average looking and have 'game', but if he only approaches 10/10 teenage models, he could probably approach for 10 years straight and never get laid, tbh lol
/r/seduction06/01/20 08:13 PM
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lol. ok, coach
/r/seduction05/01/20 06:32 PM
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All i'll say is that i'm sure there's nothing you can tell me that i've not already read in terms of game/techniques etc etc My belief in game is fairly 'set' at this point. Simply based on my own experiences. I take with a HUGE pinch of salt anything someone who is trying to make money tells me nowadays (they all have 1000+ slay counts with models etc lol). The industry is crooked to the core. Especially without infields etc I know you are obviously fishing for clients and that's fair enough in…
/r/seduction05/01/20 06:23 PM
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I don't know why anybody would listen to Mark Manson Dunno. He's thought of as the God of seduction on seddit from what i've seen. By far the most recomended reading on here RSD are seen as Gods amongst men on youtube And elsewhere, it seems to still be about mysterymethod They seems to be the main 3 I can't talk about Manson as i've never seen him release any infields, so for all I know, he might have no chance of getting laid from cold approach. Anyone can claim to be able to bang 95% of girls…
/r/seduction05/01/20 05:54 PM
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they have absolutely no business coaching anyone Just the nature of an unregulated industry. Everyday I hear some PUA coach claim to be the best PUA in the world lol. It gets funny after a point. Besides, everything about game is already out there. For free. You can read the mysterymethod (still considered a God in the industry) or Mark Manson or someone in between (dicarlo or RSD), and you should find a style of game that suits you (they all obviously break each others rules)
/r/seduction05/01/20 05:20 PM
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Wait. This is a 'friend'. You're trying to escape the friendzone, I take it?
/r/seduction31/12/19 10:05 AM
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Depends on whose model you follow. They are all different. Mystery would have a very different definition to Mark Manson for example. The idea is simply that through being charasmatic and displaying the behaviours that a confident, pre-selected guy does, women will be attracted to you. How much of that is simply marketing to sell courses and books, i'll let everyone else be the judge lol I'd say it 'works', but more in a way that helps you not 'lose' girls who are attracted to you. I've never he…
/r/seduction31/12/19 09:50 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/d93cif/fr_multiple_approaches_putting_game_to_the_test/ https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/e8pm4m/little_field_report/ https://www.reddit.com/r/pickup/comments/e5ez5j/fr/ https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/ct0j2r/fr/
/r/seduction31/12/19 09:44 AM
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Why does it feel like a lose/lose situation lol It's like, this stuff all sounds pretty cringey to me. (especially the Tom, mystery, and ToddV stuff from that list) You go out and apply it on tonnes of girls. Get rejected (unless she thinks you're hot) and then post the FR and people are like ''Dude. Be authentic! Drop all that cringey 'game' stuff. That's why you got rejected'' You go out a week later. Open tonnes of girls and don't think about 'game'. You just say 'hi', ask her name and what s…
/r/seduction30/12/19 11:38 AM
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In a few years you'll realise that is IS largely luck/numbers game (same as it is for the pros/coaches) Honestly, so much of it is out of your control. Her attraction and her being a sociable person who doesn't mind being approached by strangers, being the biggest ones. The kind of consistency you want simply isn't possible (unless you were some ridiculously handsome guy). You only think it is because you have fallen for the PUA marketing with their cherry-picking of infields and outrageous clai…
/r/seduction22/12/19 04:20 PM
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Pretty sure he was yet another PUA to be outed as a scam artist? He's definitely a strange guy if you ever watched his live streams as he gets drunk by himself in front of the camera bragging about being super intelligent, some awkward statements about how tough he that makes him sound about 7 years old, and about his BS 1500 'lay count' etc. It's all so cringey. His ex business partner Sonny exposed him as using hookers. I doubt he actually get's laid, tbh
/r/seduction21/12/19 11:48 AM
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I think this type of thing depends on your personality, and the personality of the girl That's why 'game' isn't really a one-size-fits-all thing and why every PUA coach does EVERY SINGLE THING so differently from each other (to the point one can start to wonder if this is all a big scam as there are like no 'rules'. So nothing to learn. So no GAME!! haha) (is a game without rules really a game?) But yeah. That sort of thing can definitely work. She might also think it's weird. Same as basically …
/r/seduction21/12/19 11:43 AM
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game is 'applied charisma' - someone who is confident and charismatic has 'game'. They say 'what you say doesn't matter' so I can see why people cringe when they hear 'LEARN game, bro' lol. I also think the best 'game' in the world is only gonna increase your chances with a girl by a few %, so don't worry too much about it. Most important is just find girls who think you are hot/her type/attractive. Trust me, Danny Devito (without fame) could have the best 'game' in the world, but if he's hittin…
/r/seduction21/12/19 10:03 AM
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Good find. I've said for ages that the PUA industry tricks people to some extent. Game will only help on girls that are into you. You can't force a girl to be attracted with your game, as Todd shows here. Every pull in any infield, is always on a girl who was receptive, and never on girls like in this vid, who simply don't wanna talk/aren't attracted or interested. Because 'game' isn't black magic. And girls aren't robots lol
/r/seduction13/12/19 07:54 PM
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Women care at least as much as men when it come to looks, tbh Only the people selling PUA courses say otherwise. They basically invented that idea (women not caring about looks) to suit their own agenda. Studies say otherwise. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19558447 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5519305/ https://www.studyfinds.org/unattractive-men-dating-material-study/
/r/seduction13/12/19 12:05 AM
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Jesus. He sounds autistic. No wonder girls think it's strange lol. Look into JulienRSD. Or EvolutionDaily. No cold reads and strange push/pull lines etc. Game is played on the non-verbals, really. Saying that weird shit makes them think you're unusual. Game tends to do more harm than good
/r/seduction12/12/19 07:56 PM
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Example of a Todd open you used?
/r/seduction12/12/19 07:51 PM
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That's not how it works, i'm afraid. She's either into you or she's not. And she knows before you've delivered your opener. You can't force a girl to be sexually attracted to you with 'game' (negs, teases, push-pull, self amuse etc etc). Think about it. Would you wanna bang Rosie O'Donnel if she disqualified herself and told you that you weren't her type and she negged you etc etc? No. You'd agree with her/wouldn't care, and then you'd try to find a hot girl to bang who you WERE attracted too lo…
/r/seduction04/12/19 08:54 PM
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Target whatever you want as long as it's legal lol. I'm 32 and slept with a 17 year old last year, and kissed a girl who had only just turned 18 last weekend (didn't bang her, though :( ) Obviously expect more rejections, though. Lots of young girls will instantly dismiss someone over say 22. But there are some girls out there who don't care or even prefer older guys It's all a massive numbers game
/r/seduction04/12/19 01:24 PM
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Move on to the next girl until you find one who doesn't give a 'wtf' face (which usually just means she's not into you).
/r/seduction04/12/19 12:58 PM
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You will naturally be downvoted on seddit, but this is a brutal blackpill tbh. I've seen Krauser mention most of this stuff before. The industry is largely built upon some HUGE lies (like girls not caring about looks lol) as well as 'tricks' into fooling their audience. Game is just a numbers game. It's about approaching to find the girls who think you're hot, and then being cool enough to not fuck it up completely! But you can't make a girl attracted to you who isn't with your 'game'
/r/seduction04/12/19 12:21 PM
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even Tom Torero says that very good looking guys don't need game.
/r/seduction29/11/19 11:42 AM
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I was watching Tom Torrero's 'stealth attraction' product earlier, and was surprised to hear him say that very good looking guys don't need game to get laid. Coming from such a technical/mysterymethod gamer I wasn't expecting that! Most don't admit that, tbh
/r/seduction29/11/19 11:40 AM
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Yeah, read it. Doesn't work. I mean, have you seen HIS infields? Even HE can't make it work that well and it's his method! haha. (unless the girl is into him). Lots of his infields are hard to watch from pure cringe, tbh. Either boring uninteretsed girls with his DHV's and neg lines etc, or he's wasting time messing around on girls who think he's a tall handsome guy and are ready to be pulled, and all he needs to do is escalate, but he's still running through his checklist and telling girls that…
/r/seduction27/11/19 11:10 AM
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Who cares about 'creepy' (which is just a word for when a girl isn't attracted to you/you're not her physical type) I'm older than 27 and I banged a hot 17 year old last year lol (16 being legal here btw) As long as it's legal, go for whoever you desire
/r/seduction22/11/19 10:04 AM
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You're a handsome millionnaire! Go and bang as many super hot 18 year olds (or younger if it's legal where you are) as you can! We're all living vicariously through you!! :) I know handsome (broke) guys who bang multiple hotties per week. I'd do that too if I were you. Fun times
/r/seduction19/11/19 01:12 PM
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I think every girl is different which is why i'm not really sure there's such a thing as being 'good at sex', really. (not to mention it's not as though you can make your cock do sommeraults inside her so everyone pretty much bangs the same, anyway!) You can have a girlfriend who you can make cum every single time and then think you are a super stud, and then you can bang a new girl for the first time and she thinks you suck in bed tbh
/r/seduction19/11/19 12:57 PM
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What do you mean? The date is a bit cringey, but that's because they both have to ask these super deep, cringey questions that were written for them.
/r/seduction17/11/19 08:19 PM
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So with Set 2 I honestly thought well fuck! After yesterdays defeats, what's the worst that can happen if I'm entirely direct with her. I've done a few approaches TOTALLY avoiding saying "I think your pretty/cute/etc". So I'm still shocked she was receptive, Got number, and a date. As I read from a poster yesterday, 'game' is really just what we all knew and did as kids in the playground. There's nothing remotely hard about it. It doesn't need to be learnt no more than one needs to learn how to …
/r/seduction17/11/19 04:02 PM
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Where you getting the fresh mice? LMAO!!
/r/seduction29/10/19 08:52 PM
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chicken and rice then beef mince and pasta everyday for rest of my life That sounds niceR than what I got recommended yesterday! I mentioned how I was struggling to lost fat on a 1500 calorie diet of basically eggs, chicken, brocolli, mice, and someone told me to ditch the brocolli lol, so I'd be just living on chicken and eggs which makes me feel sick thinking about it! haha
/r/seduction29/10/19 10:34 AM
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usually approach girls through online dating apps That's not really 'game'/approaching. That's more just talking to girls who have pre-selected you (swiped right). Negs and stuff aren't designed for tinder. I just say 'lets meet' once i've matched and it's usually all you need. IN real life game is a different animal. They might hate how you look lol
/r/seduction17/10/19 02:09 PM
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You need to be big and black (and handsome) basically (to get young white girls)
/r/askTRP16/10/19 01:46 PM
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I think it's the culture (especially here in the UK!) I belong too a 'group' of daygamers, and they basically never ever bang these girls (or even get them on dates) despite getting lots of numbers. A mixture of girls being a bit socially anxious to actually go on a 'date' with a stranger, plus the fact they get about 50 messages a day from hot guys on insta. They're just overloaded with options. I had this instinct a month back when I met a girl in a bar (A fair bit younger than me at 18 and th…
/r/seduction10/10/19 07:38 AM
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Basically same here. I have 'learnt game' and so can usually lead girls that are attracted to me to sex, but I can't force attraction in some super hot, 17-21 year old who is as superficial as me when it comes to looks lol. So I feel it's a looks issue. I'm too doing what I can. Hitting gym hard etc. Don''t think it's enough, though, but it is what it is!
/r/seduction10/10/19 07:30 AM
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best friends and I recall strawberry fields and cube at least a few times. ha! I was right :) - I guessed it'd be that stuff. I can't really explain it. Maybe there's a location element? (certain stuff 'working' on certain girls depending on age/location etc) As I say, when I tried the routine route, I'd get reactions like I was a bit of a 'try-hard'. It just all seemed gimmicky and obvious to girls here. On occasion it would work, but I certainly didn't feel like it gave me an 'edge' overall, c…
/r/seduction09/10/19 09:39 PM
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What was his script? Strawberry fields, U shape smile, best friends tests etc?? I went through a stage of using heavy scripted game and it was actually my least successful period of gaming, personally! (I done better when I adopted a more RSD 'what you say doesn't matter' approach) Was he especially handsome? Sometimes people attribute their success to the wrong reasons lol
/r/seduction09/10/19 09:04 PM
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lol, obviously everyone's read that in PUA books and stuf, but it's simply not remotely true lol.
/r/seduction08/10/19 01:28 PM
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Those are great shoes, my mom has the same pair. You're an accountant? You should make up something else, that's a bit boring Maybe it's a culture thing, but them sort of negs in the UK would get a girl literally being like ''Ok. Bye' and walking away from you in a bar lol. Over here you need to 'earn the neg'. Big time. Lots and lots of rapport first. YOu need to win her over and be nice before contemplating a 'neg' otherwise she thinks you're an autist lol
/r/seduction07/10/19 06:16 PM
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Smart chicks are way easier to pull. I've never heard that as a rule before. Is that a thing? I certainly seem to do way better with smart girls too! It's annoying though as I live in a fairly rough part of the UK, and most of the girls I want in my area are very young, very hot, know they're hot, and only seem to fuck in their social circle. Super cliquey. I've tried opening in a more teasing breaking rapport/neggy type way (because I thought maybe this was almost a UK equivilent of the hot, cl…
/r/askTRP06/10/19 05:52 PM
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Good post. But Looks don't really matter hmmmm.....I honestly don't think I could disagree more with that tbh. Admittedly i'm talking about night game, but in my experience, if she's not physically attracted, then it's a non-starter, and if she's strongly physically attracted, it' kind of hard to mess up (as long as you are brave enough to show some intent at some point and can be somewhat 'normal' during the interaction)
/r/seduction06/10/19 05:47 PM
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Might make it easier depending whose model of game they use (there's hundreds of PUA'S on youtube and most of them give drastically different advice to each other lol. Kind of makes one think that game can't possibly exist if there's basically no rules!) But i like the idea of my competition running around using crazy routines and boring girls to death with DHV material etc tbh PS - When I was in Greece about 10 years ago, I saw this first hand and it was brutal. A guy I kind of knew had read th…
/r/seduction04/10/19 06:07 PM
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I think everyone is actually just banging hard 'yes girls' and some 'maybe girls* . Zero 'no girls'. And she kind of decides what category she's in before you've said a word lol A million time this! I've been in the game for a while now, and this realisation has smacked me in the face in recent months.
/r/seduction04/10/19 10:33 AM
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I get what you're saying, which is why I asked ''So out of interest, what things do you think one must do in order to be 'running game' and not just 'talking too a girl'? Maybe a thread on this would be interesting lol''
/r/seduction03/10/19 12:53 PM
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so you use the 'be yourself' method instead of 'the mystery method'?
/r/seduction03/10/19 12:28 PM
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But the thing is 'mysterymethod' doesn't define 'game'. There's a million methods. One of which is 'the mystery method' There's the gunwitch method, RSDmethod, VinDicarlomethod, the london daygame model/method etc etc All of them very different from each other in many ways. In some cases, Even some of the core 'principles' as you mention (for example, Dicarlo doesn't even agree with mysteries idea of 'attraction before comfort! RSD show intent before she does which mystery would never do, some o…
/r/seduction03/10/19 12:20 PM
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I find the mysterymethod beyond cringey tbh. Like, I struggle to watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuceTz9gZRQ&t=347s But as the other guy said, there's tonne of definitions of game. Lots of people would say 'game' is being hunmerous and confident and telling a girl you like her. They'd probably also call the mystery method 'not game' tbh lol. Personally, I don't have a 'side' and tihnk it's all 'game'. RSD do it differently to someone else who does it different to someone else.
/r/seduction03/10/19 08:00 AM
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Always had great success with females because I'm tall, semi-handsome Makes sense now! haha
/r/seduction03/10/19 07:41 AM
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IF --- you know game. What's your definition of 'game' People seem to fall into 2 main camps on here 1/ (modern) game is about good eye contact, tonality and body language because 'what you say doesn't matter, it's how you say it'. So there's nothing to 'learn' in the practical sense. So just show confidence and she'll be attracted. If you feel good, she'll feel good. State transference. Meditate!! etc etc 2/(old school) You need to memorise routines like the best friends test and tell her DHV s…
/r/seduction03/10/19 07:38 AM
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Kids don't play outside anymore and socialise in person with friends and strangers?? Everyone is isolated and glued to their iphones and 'chatting' through text or gaming with mates? That's my guess
/r/seduction02/10/19 09:46 PM
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It's never happened to me, but I have an exceptionally handsome wingman so I see it a fair bit. Usually they pretend to know him. Open with ''Are you Ricky? Do we know each other?'' or whatever, knowing full well he's not. Another one is they will brush past him and drag their hands along his shoulder or back as he's standing at teh bar, in an attempt to get him to open her (as if she did it absentmindedly, I guess) And once it's gona past midnight, all bets are off and they can be as direct as …
/r/seduction26/09/19 05:21 PM
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Yes but you need to then not fuck that up. Yep. Usually. Not always. But usually People who aren't handsome are getting laid every single day, dude. Yep. But with girls who are at their level, or with girls who happen to think that they are hot. He's her physical 'type'. I'm on the ugly side and have, believe it or not, banged a few hot girls from cold approach. If anything, i'm the sort of person who should be screaming 'game, yo!!!!' from the roof tops. But I don't. I realise now with hindsigh…
/r/seduction26/09/19 04:52 PM
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To be clear, i'm not saying 'game' doesn't matter. It does. But girls aren't blind and are very much attracted to handsome males. I've had very good looking friends who girls would LITERALLY throw themselves at. My contention is that looks are a pre-requisite (she needs to think you're handsome). And after that, one 'usually' needs enough 'game' to seal the deal. But without her tihnking you're handsome, attraction (through 'game') doesn't happen
/r/seduction26/09/19 04:36 PM
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And looks have little to nothing to do with male attractiveness so you can shut the fuck up about that. lmao
/r/seduction26/09/19 04:23 PM
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She can get male 10's for as long as she's super hot lol. There'll always be a queue for super hot girls, made up of the rich handsome dudes
/r/seduction26/09/19 04:11 PM
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it doesn't matter what you say to her Do you not believe in 'seduction'? - like, the traditional idea of saying things to make her attracted to you. If what you say doesn't matter, what do people mean when they say 'learn game for a few years'. Like, if what you say doesn't matter, surely one could 'learn game' (have good eye contact) in a few minutes? Not being snarky btw! I'm genuinely curious as I often see these supposedly opposed statements, and I can't really make sense of them in my head …
/r/seduction26/09/19 04:08 PM
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Must admit I find it hard to imagine 'game' (whether that's a neg or a DHV story or a routine where you guess which number she's thinking of) being able to compete with a handsome guy who she thinks is hot as shit when it comes to actually getting her in bed lol
/r/seduction26/09/19 04:00 PM
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Drop the mystery method stuff, I'd say. It doesn't work and just tends to make one look a bit weird.
/r/seduction25/09/19 03:23 PM
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What's the alternative for OP, give up and become an incel? 😂😂 Never!!! :) - Never give up. Keep approaching. Plenty of fish in the sea (which I guess is linked to 'game' in terms of outcome independence etc) But I think trying to analyse interactions like a scientist is a recipe for disaster and stress tbh. There's a billion variables in human interaction. And these girls aren't robots. Most importantly, It's simply largely out of your control in the same way you decide whether some girl on the…
/r/seduction21/09/19 11:17 AM
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you can do everything 'correct' and still get rejected though (and visa-versa), so 'learning from rejections' isn't really a thing, tbh. You can tell yourself that the 1st approach worked because your eye contact was good, and the 2nd approach was a rejection because you didn't use a false time constraint or your angle of approach was too 'head on', but in reality, the 1st girl thought you were hot, and the 2nd girl didn't lol
/r/seduction21/09/19 10:53 AM
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Numbers game. Approach another 200 and I bet at least one of them will like you
/r/seduction21/09/19 08:31 AM
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This kind of shows how hard it is to fuck up if she's physically attracted to you, lol Good job, though!
/r/seduction12/09/19 06:52 PM
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Nice!! You must be handsome! That sort of line gets me insta blocked on tinder! haha I'd just exploit your looks and bang tonnes of tinder girls if I was you, tbh. Who cares if it's super easy and like ordering a free prostitute. Stil got laid!! :)
/r/seduction12/09/19 11:03 AM
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confident and charasmatic with good body language - but as others have said, without the physical attraction, it won't be enough, so you need to move on until you find a girl who's into you
/r/seduction12/09/19 07:48 AM
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what are your openers? Give examples. thanks
/r/seduction12/09/19 07:47 AM
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most of my openers were actually fairy INDIRECT, especially since seddit tends to advocate much more direct game on the whole (which goes against your advice, but whatever. Nobody agrees on this stuff anyway lol) Give me some of your openers for night game. I wanna experiment with others this weekend cheers
/r/seduction12/09/19 07:28 AM
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lol - game is cringe when they're not into you, tbh! That's why you gotta keep going until you find a girl who likes your look
/r/seduction11/09/19 07:48 PM
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hard to argue with that!
/r/seduction11/09/19 07:48 PM
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No method will magically make girls want you, i'm afraid. Mystery still gets rejected a TONNE. Girls aren't robots. You're either her type or you aren't. Not much you can do about it
/r/seduction21/08/19 03:31 PM
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Can't recomment mystery personally. Look at how he just bores people and how weird all of his littlte methods make you look lol. (whole vid is funny, but the main interaction is like around the 6 min mark or so) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuceTz9gZRQ Also, his results were fairly average, especially considering he was facially a good looking dude who was also like 6ft 4 lol But yeah, I do agree on approaching loads to just get more comfortable with women (which translates into getting bette…
/r/seduction12/08/19 05:09 PM
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Was it just a random girl on facebook you DM'd and opened with telling her how hot she is out of interest? Any backstory? Also, some 18 year olds won't go near someone over like 21
/r/seduction10/08/19 03:25 PM
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I think you are right I used to desperately wanted to believe in the older definition of game (whereby it was about MAKING girls attracted to you with various game techniques and stuff) but my years of experience have taught me that that definition is just snake oil. Fact is, if she's not into you/you aren't her physical type etc etc, then no amount of 'game'/charisma/confidence/push-pull bla bla bla will cut any ice. She's not gonna want to sleep with you, ,just like how you wouldn't wanna slee…
/r/seduction10/08/19 08:11 AM
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Quite a few PUA's advise against ever asking this too a girl (but then, Every single piece of advice from a PUA coach is disputed by the next coach, such is the nature of the community) but I personally don't hate it, tbh. Does quite a good job of establishing some premise without necessarily giving all of your power away. it's a funny industry, though. I've seen 'experts' disagree vehemently about the strangest stuff Fact is, we have so much evidence of everyone breaking each others 'rules' and…
/r/seduction09/08/19 07:03 PM
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I think the reason 'looks matter' is that she MUST be physically attracted to you for your 'game' to have an effect. I'm not saying you need to be a male model or any of that incel shit, but she needs to think you're kinda hot. Luckily, there's more variance than we think. I've banged some very cute girls because they thought I was handsome (even though conventionally, i'm like a 6)
/r/seduction09/08/19 05:08 PM
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I'm trying to put myself in his shoes for you. So assuming the work colleagues thing is out of the question, and the dude doesn't seem to have the balls to ask you out or flirt etc (you ARE sure he's into you, right?) then it might need to be on you. I guess you could try general flirting a bit more instead of outright asking him out. That could also give him the clues he needs to actually take the initiative and ask you, maybe How old are you both? oh- and are you sure he dropped the number you…
/r/seduction09/08/19 04:29 PM
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This CUTE ass farmer brings veggies to my work once a week. Nah, girls don't care about looks. Haven't you heard?! ;) But serious - You could maybe get one of your work colleagues to help you out? That's an advantage girls have. Guys look like a weirdo/stalker for involving their friends, but if girls do it, it's fine lol. One of them could literally tell him for you that you think he's cute or whatever and then feel him out for you
/r/seduction09/08/19 12:08 PM
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used to be called jmulv? I gather he's some compulsive liar/alcoholic odd ball who claims to have banged like 1200 girls or something (although they were apparently hookers and stuff?) Think he was also involved in a another PUA company some years back that dissappeared after they were found guilty of rape!
/r/seduction09/08/19 09:01 AM
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seduction = how to escalate smoothly on girls who are attracted to you (one can't force attraction in someone. She's either into you/your looks, or she''s not)
/r/seduction08/08/19 04:00 PM
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You need to be beyond handsome to be able to slay hot girls whilst being extremely awkward and shy. But i've seen it happen a few times. I also know a VERY boring (also shy? certainly no 'game') German guy who is like male model handsome 10/10, and he also has hot girls opening him, doing all of the conversational work and escalating towards sexx! Other exceptions are when you are very young. Girls that age don't care about 'confidence'. Another exception is like certain 'niches'. Example, My br…
/r/seduction08/08/19 10:53 AM
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lol - sounds like going out with handsome friends isn't the best https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/8o8os0/frnight_out_with_my_handsome_mate/?st=jz1sp2de&sh=5329399e I've done it a few times and it always makes you feel like shit, tbh. And always makes me think ''what the hell? Dudes on seddit told me girls don't care about or even notice looks in men!!??'' haha I tihnk best to game with ugly dudes so you look better looking in comparison. YOu can't compete if a dude is really handsome …
/r/seduction07/08/19 09:59 PM
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I think it's just hindsight bias The reason there's been such a disagreement over this for so long (and there will NEVER be a consensus) is simply because it doesn't really matter! There are no rules. You are either her physical 'type' or you aren't. And if you are, you can be direct or indirect, fun and playful or serious and mysterious, make assumption and cold read or just ask interview questions, text her straight away, or text her in 2 days etc etc
/r/seduction24/07/19 08:44 AM
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Yeah. In jail or president
/r/seduction22/07/19 08:04 AM
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I don't think it's worth over-thinking this stuff. It's basically completely out of your control and no 'tweaks' in your approach would have likely changed the outcome. Some girls are rude. Combine that with a girl who isn't in the mood to be approached and, most importantly, isn't 'into' you/your looks, and you're looking a pretty rough rejection I've had worse ones than that though! haha
/r/seduction21/07/19 09:11 AM
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lol, so true. I cringe so hard whenever someone is like ''Make sure you take a shower'' when people are talking about how a girl needs to find you physically attractive lol They're not walking around smelling of shit with snot running down their noses lol. They smell good and get regualr hair cuts and copy what's 'in fashion' in their area. Just that they're just physically unnattractive. Usually a mixture of like, being short, massive nose, balding, bug eyes, lack of masucline face and inabilil…
/r/seduction20/07/19 03:54 PM
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I don't think he's saying that it's not possible to mess up if a girl thinks you're hot. (Although it's hard to mess up if she thinks you're super handsome tbh. You need to be pretty autistic) But he's right in his OP (which is why it's been so heavily upvoted I guess) Girls care about looks the same as we do. And if you don't meet her looks threshold (and some hot girls are very picky indeed. Especially hot young ones) then no amount of 'game' will help
/r/seduction20/07/19 01:31 PM
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yes. Out in the beer garden. She was sitting with some gay dude and a fat girl I opened her with a comment about her drink. She told me I couldn 'sit if you want'. I saw next to her. Chatted for a few mins and then she said what she said
/r/seduction20/07/19 01:30 PM
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Dunno. In a thread I was reading earlier, a guy was getting quite a lot of stick from seddit readers for banging an 18 year old and he was only like 27 I say go for it though! If it's not illegal, then do it!
/r/seduction19/07/19 07:17 PM
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It does seem a bit 'out there' to me too tbh, but who knows. The closest i've ever come too a girl being so forward was in a bar about a year ago. I opened her and were just making small talk and after like 3 mins she whispered in my ear ''I really wanna fuck you right now''. She was half my age (18) and hot, but it didn't go anywhere unfortunately, largely because her fat friend knew she had a boyfriend and cockblocked me super hard
/r/seduction19/07/19 07:16 PM
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'instant rejections' should be around 30% IF you look like a young Leo DiCaprio, direct will get you around 5% instant rejections. If you are short, with a massive nose, bug eyes, balding, big ears, direct will get you like 98% instant rejections. 30% rejection sounds like someone who's very good looking, tbh. Despite what people say, what you say does matter when you open - it affects instant bounce rates. There are definitely more effective direct openers than others Within reason, yes. What a…
/r/seduction19/07/19 05:11 PM
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There's a PUA on RSDNation who got no luck, got plastic surgery, and then straight away girls all wanted him. Looks are the most important thing by far. The idea that 'girls don't care about looks' is honestly as daft as people saying ''We don't need food and water to survive' lol His his pics for your interest. https://imgur.com/a/Cs3lokg (ps - someone will look at this and think 'he just lost weight'. No, he's about teh same weight in both pics, but having his jawline and chin changed tightned…
/r/seduction19/07/19 04:52 PM
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Maybe you need to calibrate more your interactions to not get rejected so often. What does that even mean? It sounds like he's only get rejected by girls for whom he isn't their physical 'type'. You can't 'calibrate' with that lol Provide some examples
/r/seduction19/07/19 11:55 AM
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lol. Legit, bro. It's so funny
/r/seduction18/07/19 11:48 PM
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It seems like nearly all PUA's give compliments/state intent (''you're very cute'') either at the beginning of the convo, or 5-10 mins in (if they opened indirect) though.
/r/askTRP03/07/19 02:23 PM
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It seems like nearly all PUA's give compliments/state intent (''you're very cute'') either at the beginning of the convo, or 5-10 mins in (if they opened indirect) though. It feels like there's honestly no rules in 'game' tbh
/r/askTRP03/07/19 02:22 PM
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It seems like nearly all PUA's give compliments/state intent (''you're very cute'') either at the beginning of the convo, or 5-10 mins in (if they opened indirect) though. It feels like there's honestly no rules in 'game' tbh
/r/askTRP03/07/19 02:22 PM
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I doubt he has 'shame' about getting laid!! that's funny. Do you think he's secretly massively religious or something?
/r/askTRP20/06/19 05:20 PM
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16 is legal here :) Even if you are like 100 years old lol
/r/seduction18/06/19 12:28 PM
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I was actually talking to /u/wia20xx about some of this stuff a few days back
/r/seduction10/05/19 10:30 AM
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Brit here. This post is absolutely on the ball!
/r/seduction09/05/19 09:00 PM
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I don't really think seddit is about 'game' tbh. It's more about like, life coaching kind of stuff. Tony Robbins etc. Nothing about 'seduction' i'm afraid In terms of getting laid, none of the stuff on seddit will help you dude.
/r/seduction09/05/19 03:43 PM
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lmao - The answers you've got so far have actually really confirmed your opening post!! 'Game' truly is dead. All forums are shutting down and game is now reduced to having hobbies
/r/seduction09/05/19 02:27 PM
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The day game stuff doesn't translate? Honestly, not really. One of the only exceptions I can think of is Richard from 'street attraction'. His 'vibe' and verbals is what I think UK girls at night would respond fairly well too. However, he's VERY verbally direct from the open in general which is not a good move here in bars unless you're handsome! Good way to get a girl to just grab her friends wrist and literally run away lol. And he only does daygame too, unfortunately. I'd LOVE to watch him ga…
/r/seduction08/05/19 08:59 PM
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Europe is different, much less open, much more clannish. All the guys that go to Europe end up using a lot more nonverbal approaches. It makes American girls much easier. Agreed Tone or body language problem. I don't think so, tbh. I think it's more what you said before about that sort of opener just being too formal. And it's amplified on UK girls. I never comment on her at the beginning. Not what she's wearing or what she looks like. Again, those comments are mild but still direct. I want to s…
/r/seduction08/05/19 07:37 PM
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Sounds like I tend to open similar to you. I mean, I've also tended to stay away from teh old 'just say hi!', 'just introduce yourself' type openers. ESPECIALLY in the UK! The reactions to those sorts of openers are typically much worse than when used on an American girls in my experience! It tends to result in an immediate uphill battle here! Like she's thinking ''Wait. Did I walk into a job interview or something that I didn't know I had!!?'' Also, you mention fashion under the 'chick crack' t…
/r/seduction08/05/19 11:30 AM
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lol, remind me of in 'peep show' (excellent UK sitcom) when the main character says of a girl he's into ''Right now, April's probably getting chatted up by some student who's also realised she's got the magical combo of beauty and low self-esteem''
/r/seduction07/05/19 10:28 AM
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you might attract gold diggers or whatever, but generally, walking up to some super hot young girl, she tend not to give a shit if you have money or not (unless you are maybe legit millionnaire driving a lambo with a mansion etc) and just wants to bang a guy who she thinks is 'hot'.
/r/seduction06/05/19 04:36 PM
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lots of PUA's often say 'it's exactly the same' but like you, I think that's not the case at all! The energy and even the words and 'techniques' etc are very different. Lots of nightgame PUA's are all about breaking rapport, negging, giving silly answers to questions, asking questions in a kind of accusatory fashion (JulienRSD etc) to build attraction etc etc and it's fine, but most of that stuff in the broad daylight would have her thinking you're a freaking odd ball lol So I know where you're …
/r/seduction06/05/19 01:44 PM
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same. Much smoother with alcohol. I only ever game after a few beers now, tbh
/r/seduction06/05/19 12:56 PM
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Honestly, I don't think it's possible. The idea that you can 'get' any girl with game is simply not close to being true. It seems to be an old belief from, as mentioned in your OP, the mysterymethod days. Almost nobody belives this anymore. Certainly nobody can prove it! lol Mystery himself got rejected lots! Julien and tyler admit to getting rejected ''all the time'' (In Juliens words) I imagine with excellent game, one could 'turn' girls on very very rare occasions (where her initial resistanc…
/r/seduction06/05/19 12:45 PM
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lol, of course. I'm not an idiot. In the UK 16 is the age of consent and there's no age gap laws, so you can be 50 and bang a 16 year old!
/r/seduction05/05/19 03:50 PM
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Just know that if you post a Field Report and it DOESN'T work, you'll get a lot of ''Dude, that's boring! Interview mode!! No wonder she rejected you!!! She's a hot girl out on a night out and you're asking her how she is and where shes going???!!! Dude!!'' replies ;) lol
/r/seduction04/05/19 11:02 AM
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after you say 'hi', what do you say usually? And how do you get her to start asking questions?
/r/seduction04/05/19 08:35 AM
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16 is legal here lol.
/r/seduction03/05/19 09:36 AM
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not really, tbh. I think it's largely about where you live. Walking up too a girl and being lke ''I'm jack. What's your name?'' will VERY likely just result in a girl looking at you like ''Errr.wtf?? Why are you tlaking to me? What do you want??'' probably not answering you, and wlaking away. Especially here in my part of the UK Or at best being like ''Errr....OK? Why do you want to know my name?'' and straight away, you're in a kind of awkward chat with her on the defensive and you trying to re…
/r/seduction02/05/19 01:23 PM
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Yes. People should never forget that it's always largely out of your control and it IS a numbers game. You can't force attraction on someone. But doing lots of things right can increase your odds (assuming the girl was already at least somewhat interested/approachable etc) I got laid on my first ever cold approach after reading magic bullets. Thought i'd stumbled across some sort of magical secret. Then proceeded to get turned down/rejected about 500 times over the next 6 months or so :)
/r/seduction02/05/19 01:01 PM
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A lot of guys do this, this sort of ironically hitting on her. You're saying the words, but because you're not serious and neither is she with her interest, she finds it cute and amusing This! You phrased that nicely. For a long time I was scared of direct game because I'd read mysterymethod and believed it to be the devil and not 'game' at all Then I started reading Mark manson etc, and going direct. Now I do both and mix it up I think the best way of going direct is to make it fun and silly pe…
/r/seduction01/05/19 09:41 AM
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It's not your fault
/r/seduction30/04/19 10:22 PM
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He was a rogue! He moved to my city on his own. Came from a broken home. I Don't think he ever really had parents so to speak! Probably didn't have a dad he ever knew and maybe a mum who he rarely saw who lived far away. Yeah, I never thought about the ID but I guess he just managed to avoid it. In fact, i'm pretty sure it was when he was booking them a trip away that it all came to light!! Passport!! haha. You just jogged my memory! He was a very smooth operator, though. But he was the definiti…
/r/seduction30/04/19 10:18 PM
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Yet it's my luck I would establish a real connection with some woman who I tell I'm 30. lol, I understand. I had a friend a while back who was I think maybe early 40's and he always told girls he was like 29 and ended up getting into a relationship with some hot 21 year old and kept the lie for ages before coming clean lol. But at that point, she was kind of in love and so it didn't matter. He ended up cheating on her with some teenager soon after anyway.
/r/seduction30/04/19 10:08 PM
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This will certainly go against the grain and probably get me downvoted, but have you ever tried lying about your age? (if you're only looking for hookups and not a wife!) I nearly always lie when I'm hitting on the VERY young girls. I think it helps
/r/seduction30/04/19 10:02 PM
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I'm 34. I actually made out with another really cute 18 year old on Sunday night! Couldn't get the lay, but I think that was more my fault (too drunk) and it was just difficult. Sunday. I was out of my own town and didn't have logistics. She probably lived with her parents. She was out with a massive group of friends. It was just all against me! As with all things pickup/game it IS largely a numbers game (despite what some gurus tell you) Obviously some girls will rule me out instantly and see m…
/r/seduction30/04/19 09:57 PM
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Good stuff. It can happen but it just takes a hell of a lot of luck. Like you, i'm not much to look at. Probably closer too a 6 at best? Also a fair bit older than you, and I banged some stunning fresh faced 18 year old from the bar a while back. As you say, the sort of girl that you wouldn't even CONTEMPLATE would be into you! I put it down to some girls having unusual taste in what they think 'handsome' is, tbh good for you!
/r/seduction30/04/19 09:29 PM
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lol, I still laugh everytime someone says 'looks don't matter/girls don't care about looks' on seddit
/r/seduction30/04/19 12:57 PM
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lol, wut?
/r/seduction30/04/19 11:37 AM
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Yeah, I think guys and girls are both equally superficial when it comes to hooking up/looks etc. Just the way it is.
/r/seduction29/04/19 05:25 PM
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Highly successful 60 year old men sleep with young women constantly. Try thinking about that. And also think why fame is super powerful. Stop being so superficial man, look at it. Why is fame attractive? Why do old men sleep with young hot supermodels but it's almost never the other way round? Think man. Money. Basically prostitution. Anyone can bang some hot teenager of they don't mind shelling out the $300 or so But if you're young and handsome, it's free :)
/r/seduction28/04/19 08:10 AM
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3 years. 3 different stories. Completely bat-shit crazy lol
/r/seduction27/04/19 12:12 PM
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And Thanks for being the only one actually answering my question haha yeah, it appears to be a bit of an issue on this sub! lol Yea I'll move on eventually, especially if I step away from her for some time Yeah, try not to act butt hurt, but i'd also probably just fade her/them out of my life too, tbh. Just pretend to be busy and shit if she asks to hang out. I understand what that feeling is like and it's just hard to carry on being friends in that situation. Even though she hasn't betrayed you…
/r/seduction26/04/19 08:42 PM
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If you feel like you just need to know and can't relax until you do, then fuck it. Ask him. Just be like ''You're seeing her again? Are you banging her or what? You are, aren't you?!! lol''. You'll probably get your answer If it turns out to be true? You feel like shit for a few weeks and then you get over it. We've all been there!
/r/seduction26/04/19 08:38 PM
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lots of skin on display. Tend to be louder. Not hidden away in the corner with friends but more in the 'mingling' spots. Tattoos and smokers can be good signs, too
/r/seduction26/04/19 08:34 PM
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Yeah. Fool proof
/r/seduction26/04/19 08:32 PM
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start thinking about why very good looking men get laid so easily lol
/r/seduction26/04/19 08:10 PM
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face?
/r/seduction26/04/19 08:04 PM
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Yeah, i've already agreed that fame is a game changer. I don't think anyone would disagree that being a worldwide famous rockstar, you can get laid even if you are ugly lol
/r/seduction26/04/19 07:23 PM
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Well maybe i'm missinformed about what incels even are, but I picture them as just virgins who think unless you're a male model, you can't bang anyone. I imagine them having literally zero social skills (or what I call 'anti game') and they aren't aware of it or don't think it matters at all, and just generally being a nuisance troll lol I've slept with a fair numbers of girls. All from cold approach. I DO believe in game in respect that social skills certainly play a role in picking up girls. A…
/r/seduction26/04/19 06:08 PM
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for about 3 years lol. That tinder match is probably married with kids by now. Mad as a March hare!
/r/seduction26/04/19 04:23 PM
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a handsome, quiet man is 'sexy and mysterious' An ugly quiet guy is 'creepy'. 'Creepy' is basically just a word to mean a guy who they know likes them but she doesn't find him hot lol
/r/seduction26/04/19 04:20 PM
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Women can't help themselves. This narrative that women care about looks less than men is one of the greatest lies ever told to young men Amen! I don't like the incel movement and I DO believe in 'game' (too an extent) but i'm getting so bored of seeing this nonsense on this sub over and over again about girls not caring about looks (or caring about them less than men) It's just nonsense. It's like these people have never had good looking friends who slay based on looks or they''ve never worked i…
/r/seduction26/04/19 04:18 PM
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But you can try to generate or amplify it Agreed. But only on 'yes girls' and 'maybe girls'. If you read the second half of my post I tried to make it clear that 'game' is still a thing. Charisma. Social skills etc. They count. But they are about amplifying attraction in girls that are attracted to you. With a hard 'no girl', it really is 'set in stone' as you say. If you walk up to a young stunner and open her (directly, or with an opinion opener, or with something situational, or whatever your…
/r/seduction26/04/19 02:34 PM
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lol, trust me. I know of which I speak! I've had more 'success' than you might think! One day you'll come back to this post and laugh at what you temporarily believed. I was once like you ;)
/r/seduction26/04/19 12:46 PM
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How the hell are you on r/seduction and still thinking, like a girl, that your looks are so important? I agree with most of your post and don't wanna fuel the pity party, but lets not pretend that looks aren't very important to picking up girls. They aren't that different too us. Girls want guys they think are handsome and if you approach a girl who isn't into you, nothing you say will win her around. Good looks make things infinitely easy, and being ugly (not that the OP is) makes it a hell of …
/r/seduction26/04/19 12:42 PM
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I may be going mad, but weren't you posting recently about how well you were doing with girls at the moment??
/r/seduction26/04/19 12:32 PM
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yeah. The rules never change. She needs to think you are good looking for you to have a shot at cold approach. She probably think's he's handsome and has a thing for Asians or whatever. I'm ugly and banged an absolute teenage stunner half my age this year. All because she thought I was handsome, even though nobody else in the club did lol (i'd already been rejected by most of them! haha) Play numbers game hard enough, and you WILL find a hot girl who thinks you're ugly ass is attractive! That's …
/r/seduction26/04/19 12:27 PM
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Do you have a citation for any of this, out of curiosity? NONE of this is foundational I'll let the OP answer this but I have probably heard all of the 'rules' he mentions, too and have a good idea of where each one comes from. (from various PUA coaches) OP: I'd say it's really not worth worying about too much in my personal opinion. 'Game' is sold to us as some sort of magic which gives you the ability to bang any girl you want, but obviously that's seriously ridiculous/fantasy, and anyone that…
/r/seduction26/04/19 08:20 AM
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I think it's mainly in their eyes which I feel I can tell instantly. I'll try to get them to talk and their complete lack of verbals/refusal to engage at all (even after a while of me talking) is just confirmation of what I already knew. I'm not her 'type'/she's not into me, and won't be no matter what I say Similarly, sometimes i'll say 'hi' and I can tell straight away that she IS into me, and again, it's confirmed a few seconds later when I notice she is actually talking. Carrying her weight …
/r/seduction25/04/19 09:41 PM
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thanks. To be honest, I expect like 1 hot girl in 250 to be into me (according to my numbers/journal), so getting rejected 5 times is COMPLETELY expected. I tend to know instantly after I open her whether i'm wasting my time or not, but I tend to try to hang in there as long as possible! But yeah, in the moment after even just 5 or 6 rejections it can feel rough, but pickup is all just a numbers game. Only time it really hurts is when I go gaming with my really handsome wing! lol. He has girls o…
/r/seduction25/04/19 09:34 PM
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I tend to try to get her too engage with questions, cold reads, statements etc, but usually it's a fools errand and i'll bail fairly fast. You simply can't force a girl to be attracted to you if you aren't her type
/r/seduction25/04/19 09:20 PM
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Why is seddit always so obsessed with this stuff, lol. I'm sure he knows the law wherever he lives! Don't worry about it. If he's in the UK he can legally bang 16 year olds even if he was 80+ for example lol
/r/seduction25/04/19 09:19 PM
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Not gonna lie. For cold approach, looks are far and away teh most important thing. That's because It's a pre-requisite that she finds you attractive for her be sexually attracted to you. However, that doesn't mean you can have like zero ''game''/social skills (unless you are like male model handsome and/or also famous or something lol) It sounds like you're reasonably good looking though, so just hit on tonnes of girls and you'll get lucky soon enough. Trust me
/r/seduction25/04/19 07:01 PM
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lol exactly. Sure, there's tonnes of hot girls, but so what. It sounds more like torture if none of them are into you and you can't get away from them stunning girls, lol. If you are a very handsome dude who can speak the language a little then sure, it probably is an 'all you can fuck buffet' lol
/r/seduction25/04/19 06:56 PM
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1) Personally, I think, that just by a girl's reaction to an opener you can somehow predict, how the rest of the approach will go.. am I right? I tend to know within about 0.5 seconds whether she is into me or not lol(whether she is a 'no girl who can't be gamed, or whether she is a 'yes' or a 'maybe' girl, who can)
/r/seduction25/04/19 05:59 PM
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Go out with a really good looking wing and tell me Girls aren't the same as guys in terms of what makes them 'attracted' lol. Trust me, girls are the same as us. If they think a particular guy is really good looking, it's almost impossible for him to mess up. My best friend is like male model handsome and I can't begin to tell you things i've seen him pull of in bars and clubs with young hot girls. Total role reversal stuff, all 'cos he's hella handsome Similarly , if you are not her physical ty…
/r/seduction25/04/19 04:37 PM
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If you're fat, lose weight. You might have a nice jawline hiding under the fat If you're not fat and you still have a weak jawline (like me and lots of others) then jaw/chin surgery is the best bet (which i'm hoping to get) Girls love a chisled face. If she thinks you're handsome, then it's hard to mess up. If she doesn't, then you can't force attration in someone, so it's worth doing what you can if you wanna get laid lots
/r/seduction25/04/19 04:09 PM
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lol, no. As Mark Manson says, No girls can't be turned into you 'yes girls'. I was simply not their type. Just gotta move on and say 'next!!'
/r/seduction25/04/19 03:54 PM
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just move on to the next one! Or bang in the street or the bathroom lol
/r/seduction23/04/19 07:58 AM
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I'm glad you made the distinction. I hate it when people talk about openers and there's always a handful of smug posters who are like ''just say hi'', as if that by itself will cut much ice or help anyone at all lol. 'Hi' is just a 'pre-opener', tbh Anyway, personally I tend to comment on something about them. Usually I use a clothing item. It's pretty hit and miss, though. And of course, in the rare event that a situational opener offers itself to me (like some drunk guy falling over next to he…
/r/seduction22/04/19 03:11 PM
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lol, don't be a hater :) All's fair in love and war!
/r/seduction22/04/19 10:39 AM
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I don't know why this sub is so against lying! I lie in every damn set! I'M not really looking for a wife or even a girlfriend. I just wanna get laid, and i'll say anything to increase my odds! I lie about my age MASSIVELY and doing so has helped me bang teenagers despite me being old!! IN terms of a job, i've never had a 'good' job. Usually just loading lorries or whatever. And I realised fairly early on that it was a bit of a conversation killer or it just lowered my value. I went out one nigh…
/r/seduction22/04/19 08:14 AM
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/r/seduction22/04/19 07:05 AM
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I honestly don't think so, tbh. I see so many absolutely beautiful young girls almost everyday here in the UK. However, can't lie. I saw even more when I was in Budapest last week. Unreal. Huge percentage of the young girls were ridiculously hot
/r/seduction19/04/19 09:47 AM
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exactly. People don't believe me when I tell them that I can fly, but whatever.
/r/seduction19/04/19 09:43 AM
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you're basically asking how to 'seduce' someone. The definition of seduction and 'game' seems to have changed a lot in the last decade or 2, so you're gonna get very different replies depending on whether they believe you can kind of 'force' attraction in someone using 'game', or whether (as most people do now) they believe that game/seduction is basically something you can only do when a girl is already into you/physically attracted to you in which case the 'seduction' advice is basically 'ask …
/r/seduction16/04/19 02:26 PM
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RSD have moved into 'self help'/life coach/Tony Robbins stuff and are moving away from pickup. They are currently deleting all of their pickup content from youtube, slowly but surely
/r/seduction16/04/19 09:18 AM
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Yeah I think too many guys treat seduction like a video game while ignoring the fact that there does need to be a physical attraction I completely agree, but that line of thinking takes you down a rabbit hole in the seduction community, as that belief goes against the very core of 'seduction'/'game' in the eyes of some. Especially those who teach this stuff. But then, I think they have an vested interest in making you believe that looks don't matter lol. End of the day, she needs to think you ar…
/r/seduction16/04/19 07:08 AM
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thanks man, although i'v actually been at this for a few years now lol. I think it's just a numbers game, tbh.
/r/seduction15/04/19 08:07 AM
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When a woman hits on you, it simply cannot go wrong More or less true. Which is why I laugh at the 'looks don't matter. Girls don't care about your looks' posts lol. My best friends gets approached multiple times per night and he really doesn't have 'game', but he never fails to get laid. You just need to not be super weird if she thinks you're hot But yeah, I can't really relate although I guess there comes a point where you enjoy the 'hunt' and when it comes too easily it maybe loses it's valu…
/r/seduction14/04/19 02:44 PM
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It can be super rough. Especially when going Han-Solo, so don't beat yourself up. Most guys would struggle tbh. That's what sets us apart!! I advise making lots of mini-opens. There's no pressure because they're just comments and walk aways. ''Hi, I like you're jacket'' and then smile and walk off. That sort of thing. Try to give people a mini ego-boost and then walk off. This can really help get me in a social state after a while where I can attempt to make an actual 'open' and keep a convo goi…
/r/seduction14/04/19 01:57 PM
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Fourthly, so much PUA material was developed in the US. ?>However, this douchbaggy, kind of shallow style of american game DOES NOT WORK on German girls. Not that game principles don't apply, it just looks a lot different. Extremely important point, and one that needs to be said more. After 3 years in the game, I honestly feel like lots of material I've read has done me more harm than good! For example, I spent years trying to get JulienRSD's style of game to work for me, but UK girls are just n…
/r/seduction14/04/19 01:45 PM
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of course!
/r/seduction22/10/18 09:28 AM
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I don't have any experience with hooking up with girls from work. My best friend has slept with about 50 girls from work, although he tends to work close with them (literally next to them all day) and his 'method' seems to be to friendzone himself first and be all 'nice'. Slowly get more 'flirty' over facebook and stuff and then ask her out, or make a move on a 'works night out'. But you don't work 'close' to this girl at all, so I'd say you might have to treat it more like a cold approach where…
/r/seduction12/10/18 08:19 PM
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exactly. The 'don't shit where you eat' thing seems to be a US thing. Here in the UK there are no rules at all, and about 80% of relationships begin at work lol
/r/seduction12/10/18 08:16 PM
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You need to be physically attractive in her eyes. You can't game and get into bed, a girl who thought you were ugly when you opened her. Never happened. Certainly no evidence of this on youtube Girls all have different tastes but there's still a scale: A male model will be 'hot' in like 98% of girls eyes and will get laid easily. Some guys will be considered ugly by some girls and hot by others. It's about numbers game and screening for the girls who are receptive. (she'll be receptive to your o…
/r/seduction12/10/18 08:21 AM
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lol, I notice the exact same thing. The most drastic difference is cold approaching girls in the UK vs every city i've ever been too in the US. US people are 10x mode approachable and friendly. It's night and day! It's a smile and a girl introducing herself vs a girl looking at me like i'm mad, and basically running away! However, even here in the UK, there are differences. As far as I can work out, the 'posher' the area, the more approachable and friendly people are in terms of cold approach. I…
/r/seduction11/10/18 07:29 PM
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What is there really to 'learn', though? It's not like we're all running mysterymethod where we need to learn and memorize loads of DHV stories and routines and stuff. So there's really nothing to 'learn'. Maybe I can say that the progress is more down to chance I believe that the reason pro PUA's do so well is because it IS, and always will be a 'numbers game'. They get laid every few days, but they approach like 60+ girls per day. The best 'game' in the world might only improve your chances of…
/r/seduction11/10/18 06:19 PM
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Semi true. It's very hard for an extremely handsome guy to be creepy. He becomes 'mysterious' or something like that.
/r/seduction08/10/18 07:52 PM
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it's always a numbers game to be honest. If a girl looks at you and thinks you are ugly as holy hell then all of the 'game' in the world won't help, i'm afraid. Your cold read and DHV stories will fall on deaf-ears lol
/r/seduction08/10/18 06:43 PM
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lol
/r/seduction08/10/18 12:54 PM
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No, although funnily enough (weird coincidence) I was out with a dude on Saturday night (i'd never met him before. Friend of a friend. Slayer) and he banged his high school teacher when he was 16 lol. (he's like 30 now) Said that she was flirty in class, he got her number somehow and texted her to meet him and his friends in a bar (he was able to get into bars at a young age with fake ID due to looking older) and she met him and then they banged back at hers and were also in a relationship for a…
/r/seduction08/10/18 11:00 AM
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It's really not. Most of them could pass for 21 and are hot as fuk tbh.
/r/seduction01/10/18 07:47 PM
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i'm not sure how one is supposed to know whether you were rejected because 'she wasn't into you'/the way you look, or because your skill level wasn't high enough. It seems like more than likely, when someone is rejected, it's not due too a lack of 'skill', but a lack of physical attraction that can't be 'learnt' lol
/r/seduction18/09/18 07:21 PM
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/u/thejoeyjoejoe
/r/seduction18/09/18 07:18 PM
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I'm not quite yet 30, but even now I find myself thinking ''Man, I hope I can still pickup 18 year olds with cold approach when i'm 65! If they say 'looks don't matter, it's all about 'game''', then why not!!? '' I tend to only find really young girls super hot, and I honestly don't think that will ever change.
/r/seduction18/09/18 06:08 PM
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We're all good looking to someone only our mothers lol
/r/seduction17/09/18 05:31 PM
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Massively
/r/seduction17/09/18 05:19 PM
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It's a mystery! No, he's teamed up with some other PUA's (he does a lot of stuff with Beckster, a British PUA as well as some other PUA's) and is still doing bootcamps around the world. Also doing ''Project Hollywood 2' I don't think he is, or ever was, as successful of a PUA as lots of other guys tbh. His method worked for him to some extent as a 6ft 6 magician, but so many of his ideas have been debunked and contradicted by more as time has gone on. He deserves respect and he's a clever dude a…
/r/seduction07/09/18 04:19 PM
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I take it both you and the girls are super young? Kinda makes sense if so I guess, lol. I'm super jelly though! I'd love to bang some virgin 8's! You must be a handsome mofo!
/r/seduction06/09/18 08:41 AM
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over-gaming. Sometimes you just need to be 'normal' - I feel like most people now are never just normal because they worry about being 'boring' and so they end up 'running game' and it never works like in the books and the girl rejects you lol
/r/seduction05/09/18 10:44 AM
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Woman dont give a shit about looks lol
/r/seduction02/09/18 06:44 PM
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Not gonna lie, it's rough! I have two VERY handsome friends who literally get laid with zero 'game' with girls throwing themselves at them, approaching them in bars and stuff and being outright flirty and physical off of the bat. You just can't compete with that no matter how much 'game' you have. Like you, I do my best with what i've got and have a better body than them, and have good style, but they are just TOO handsome and the truth is that girls ARE just like guys, really. They want to be w…
/r/seduction02/09/18 06:34 PM
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More details would help, but if you're talking about cold approach, so much of your success will be down to how good looking you are, as well as your location and stuff like that.
/r/seduction02/09/18 12:57 PM
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In for tips on banging girls from hostels? Or was it just a case of you being a tall handsome dude so they basically came onto you/made it super easy for you? cheers
/r/seduction01/09/18 11:31 AM
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Everyone's approachable when they're in a different city, visiting like her. Plus you're tall and decent looking
/r/seduction01/09/18 09:13 AM
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I already know the answer to THEM questions lol. My question was simply about whether you were talking about the same stuff that I assumed you were in regards to 'techniques' since you didn't clarify. Chill
/r/seduction31/08/18 12:40 PM
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you get time to think of something funny when you send texts, maybe?
/r/seduction31/08/18 12:14 PM
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I just wanted to make sure you were talking about the stuff that I assumed you were when it came to 'techniques'. Field testing is kind of inaccurate. My friend can successfully open any set with ''hello, pig face'' like 95% of the time and get instant attraction, but then he looks a bit like young Tom Welling lol Also most material is geared towards US people so that might play a role too.
/r/seduction31/08/18 12:13 PM
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i've said absolutely nothing before. I was walking with a girl i'd been flirting with for a while and I just stopped in the street, pushed her up against a wall and started kissing her
/r/seduction31/08/18 11:53 AM
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Well all PUA coaches disagree on basically everything this It's why i've always cringed when someone says 'learn game, bro!'' lol Also, now that it's all natural game, what is there really to 'learn'?! It's like telling someone to 'learn' to order a pizza.
/r/seduction31/08/18 11:52 AM
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no
/r/seduction31/08/18 11:50 AM
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You can have horrible inner game and still use technique to get chicks DHV stories and palm reading for example? I dunno, i've never had success with that sort of stuff. In fact, I've often felt it's done more harm than good! (but then i'm not in the US where maybe it was designed for) Often times, the more 'normal' I am and the less 'game' I use, the better I do, strangely enough
/r/seduction31/08/18 11:22 AM
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Isn't it basically mystery method, but kind of simplified? I think anything that has 'routines' and stuff is thought of as inferior nowadays, with the rise of 'natural game' / 'what you say doesn't matter' kind of thing However, It holds a place in my heart because one of the openers ''sorry i'm late'' from the book helped get me laid from my first ever cold approach a few years back lol But yeah, in general the idea of 'game' has changed a fair bit and things like MB are accossiated with a styl…
/r/seduction31/08/18 11:18 AM
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Social circle / dating app game is key here Agreed. Social circle game is absolutely everything in the UK. Not sure about dating app game tbh. I honestly don't have many friends who have had THAT much luck with it other than one or two very handsome friends, and most of their lays came from like a year ago, so I assume it's died down? But yeah, social circle is how everyone gets laid in the UK. It's much more important than in the US where you can just easily make friends and stuff with stranger…
/r/seduction31/08/18 08:44 AM
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They're all touristy cities, so your chances of approaching a fellow traveller are higher. Fellow travellers are always going to be much more receptive too a cold approach. And even local Brit girls will be slightly more used to being approached in London and stuff since which is good. Give it a go! hit the 'statements of empathy' pretty hard for UK girls Also If you approach a UK girl and she's clearly kind of weirded out, a great little trick (that you care luckly enough to be able to use as a…
/r/seduction30/08/18 03:43 PM
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outside of touristy places like London, The UK tends to be a fair bit different to say, the US, when it comes to cold approach. It's simply way out of the ordinary here compared to the US. So it's met with much more suspicion and confusion lol. As you say, in bars and clubs when people are drunk it's less 'weird' although, funnilly enough, even in social settings like bars, girls are still way less approachable compared to US girls in general. In the US, ''Hey, I'm Andy!'' will be met with ''Hey…
/r/seduction30/08/18 01:46 PM
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I remember your posts about looking young from ages ago. You look about your age to me. I don't get it. I'd guess you at like 22. What are you going to be studying out of interest?
/r/seduction28/08/18 02:50 PM
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depends on what country he's in I guess lol. In the UK, 16 is legal and you can be any age. There's no 'age gap' laws
/r/seduction27/08/18 02:09 PM
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how do you tend to open (and then transition in order to 'hook' the set) in bars out of interest?
/r/seduction27/08/18 10:05 AM
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Got laid on my first ever approach (and rejected on the next 500 or so. Rejected 10 times last night too lol) With my first ever cold approach though: I opened a 2-set with ''Sorry i'm late! traffic was shitty. I didn't know you were bringing a friend?''. Both girls baffled and go on to explain that i'm her tinder date. They laugh. I chat her up. Her friend leaves us about an hour later. My friends all eave too and now it's just us two. I tell her to come with me to the bar and we share a massiv…
/r/seduction26/08/18 02:55 PM
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I got my first ever nude the other day. I always wonder how guys get nudes too, tbh. (like, from girls they haven't even met and stuff) In my case, she mentioned something about having a shower in a text (I met her a few nights prior on a cold approach), and I replied ''Great. Now i'm picturing you naked. I think you done that on purpose. Well played...'' and then she replied with a naked selfie and said ''Now you don't have too imagine!''
/r/seduction26/08/18 02:52 PM
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Now I need to go watch porn. Might try to find a good one with a hot teen Polish virgin
/r/seduction26/08/18 02:48 PM
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I feel like you have given a completely realistic summary of what actually happens. I hope so lol. I'm not just talking out of my ass. I've made like thousands of approaches in bars and pubs and clubs. Actually made another 8 or so last night. Same as ever :) More or less ignored the first 7 times, then the last girl I opened was receptive (likely thought I was OK looking) and so was able to hook her and then makeout later but awful logistics so 'game over' with that one!
/r/seduction26/08/18 11:05 AM
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:)
/r/seduction26/08/18 10:13 AM
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this made me laugh more than it should have!
/r/seduction26/08/18 10:12 AM
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I don't wanna get all 'lookism' on you but to be 'handsome' is SO SO much more than just getting a haircut and dressing nice lol. Just compare pics of 'ugly' guys to male models. It's all to do with bone structure, bone shape, eye color and shape, height, facial symmetry, fat distribution, facial muscle insertions etc etc. I don't want to go into it because it's pointless, but the things that make people ugly are largely OUT of your control, unless you can afford some serious surgery lol
/r/seduction26/08/18 10:11 AM
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I've been approaching in bars/pubs for the last 2 years and i'm yet to find a reliable/best way. The deciding factor seems to be whether she is attracted to your looks and whether she is a sociable person. (if she is just not sociable with random strangers chatting to her or if she just thinks you're not her type at all to look at, then 99% of the time you are talking too a brick wall making it impossible to 'hook' or she will just walk away or reject you no matter how indirect you open) I've ex…
/r/seduction25/08/18 03:52 PM
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Lets have an interactive seddit exercise: Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQWIyumwQh8 With each of the 4 girls, write out how you would have opened and then transitioned. What questions you would have asked. Statements you would have made etc. Do it in script form. Also, you need to obviously write for her to (her replies), so lets make it kind of realistic (since most people aren't as handsome as that dude in the vid) and assume she's giving shortish answers and not making it easy. …
/r/seduction25/08/18 11:53 AM
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what women TELL you they want/what they ''think' they want, and what they actually respond to are very different things. Asking for womens advice on hooking up would never have happened in the community 10 years ago. We've regressed! : haha
/r/seduction25/08/18 10:28 AM
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One part of me is jealous, but the other part of me get's super frustrated and I think i'd just find it hell to be around loads of beautiful, very young girls. I think it'd be super frustrating to be around girls who you want to bang who don't want to bang you back! Reminds me of back when I was in school being around stunning girls in my class who all wanted to bang my good looking friend and who weren't interested in me lol I nearly applied for a similar sounding job a while back but decided i…
/r/seduction25/08/18 10:24 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCbOmHwrxuY
/r/seduction25/08/18 08:05 AM
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plus it's full of broken links, the odd piece about 'inner game', very littel tangible, outergame good advice etc. They need to remove the sidebar and replace it with a link too a PDF file written by seddit mods that describes their idea of how you should open, transition, lead etc etc (game). A little PFD manual. That would also help with the frustation of writing FR's and getting a mixture of equally terrible and conflicting advice since there is no sort of 'consensus' on seddit. At least if t…
/r/seduction24/08/18 04:52 PM
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I think it's just social circle which is relatively normal for very young dudes who are in college and stuff. When I go out, all of the hottest youngest girls are in big groups with their guy and girl friends who they know from college and stuff and they never talk with random people (but this is UK where social circle is EVERYTHING and cold approach is kinda weird) Makes you wish you were 18 again!
/r/seduction24/08/18 09:41 AM
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Good looking dude
/r/seduction24/08/18 09:38 AM
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I just think if he'd have said ''Hi, I like your dress'' or ''wow, it's busy here tonight! What's your name?!'' he'd have gotten the same reply from that particular girl
/r/seduction23/08/18 03:21 PM
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yeah it was a terrible opener just thought of it on the spot would have been a good opener if you'd have banged her. haha Seddit hindsight bias is always rearing it's ugly head! :) PS - Doesn't matter what you said. You'd have got the same reaction with the seddit approved 'direct opener'. She was an asshole and wasn't into you. In fact ''she wasn't into you'' is basically always the correct answer for when someone is wondering what they done 'wrong' on a cold approach and why he was rejected
/r/seduction23/08/18 02:23 PM
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i get loads of fairly harsh ones lol. But I'm in the UK so I gather it's pretty normal! haha (unless you're handsome)
/r/seduction23/08/18 12:14 PM
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''who lies more, men or women!??'' or ''did you see that fight a minute ago?? bla bla''
/r/seduction23/08/18 08:13 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/99con4/you_can_have_all_the_looks_in_the_world_but_if/e4mrggp/
/r/seduction23/08/18 08:06 AM
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I think someone with average looks and good game would be able to bang maybe 1 in 30 girls he approaches. It's always gonna be largely out of his control no matter how 'good' he is, though
/r/seduction22/08/18 03:23 PM
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every time i've gotten laid from a cold approach, it's been because the girl thinks i'm handsome. I'm NOT handsome, but even an ugly guy will be handsome according to some girls taste. Maybe 4% or so? But generally, no matter how confident my body language or whatever, i'm generally rejected fairly quickly due to not being the girls 'type' (some even tell me. Sometimes in a fairly mean way! lol) I think even for girls, looks will always be the most important thing when it comes to hooking up fro…
/r/seduction22/08/18 03:16 PM
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lol
/r/seduction22/08/18 12:03 PM
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i'd much rather bang a perfect 18 year old who just lies there than a 40 year old who looks like shit but fucks like a porn star lol Still a personal preference issue rather than an 'inner game' issue though lol
/r/seduction22/08/18 11:48 AM
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lol. It's really not difficult! haha
/r/seduction22/08/18 11:47 AM
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I know bro. Also, don't take this the wrong way, but u/chesterfieldkings above is right again about how, in truth, it's very likely nothing would have come of it (as is the case for the huge majority of approaches) so don't worry too much about how you 'missed out'. You didn't. It's always a 'numbers game' to some extent . Plenty more fish in the sea!
/r/seduction22/08/18 10:13 AM
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I think you've got some quite weird replies to be honest! Classic seddit. If you'd have had got laid, people would be saying ''Brilliant game! I love how forward and sexual you were etc. Mark Manson!! WOoo. GaMe!!!''. But since it didn't work out, you are berated lol. Hindsight bias is strong here in FR's i've noticed. Probably why not many people post them any more. I think you are close to being good at this stuff. Sounds like you are fun and you aren't afraid to show intent. That's all lots o…
/r/seduction22/08/18 09:58 AM
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I don' think it's an 'inner game' issue lol! youngest girls tend to be the hottest by quite some distance!
/r/seduction22/08/18 09:54 AM
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I agree with with chester about not being too hard on yourself. There's a reason why like 98% of guys basically will never ever approach some random hot girl! It's not always easy. I'M sure you make more approaches than almost every person you'll ever meet so that's good. I was kicking myself last week after I bottled it and failed to approach some girl in town (as I was walking to the pub at like7pm) who was possibly the most beautiful girl i've ever seen. Like, my 10/10. She looked very young …
/r/seduction22/08/18 09:45 AM
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Even a ‘master pick up artist’ doesn’t sleep with every stunning girl he sees. 9 times out of 10, the beautiful women he approaches reject him. This is the most important bit to me and something i've recently been concentrating on. I think the thing that most FRUSTRATES people trying to learn game is that they think they should be able to bang any girl they want when they 'get good' but the fact is that it's ALWAYS a numbers game, and it's about finding girls who think you are good looking (in T…
/r/seduction18/08/18 09:14 AM
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3 years or so
/r/seduction18/08/18 08:44 AM
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8000 sounds like bollox, but if you are very good looking and in a 'party environment' (Vegas, Ibiza etc) where you can meet endless, drunk, 'fun time' girls who are on holiday/seeking adventure/travelling etc, you can get a very high N count. One of my good friends is a very very good looking dude, and he works as a holiday rep in places like Magaluf and he has banged about 400 teenage girls (most girls in Magaluf are like 17) and he's 28 lol But there's no 'trick' to it. It's not 'game'. He's …
/r/seduction17/08/18 06:13 PM
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I think the idea is that the word 'creep' has taken on a new meaning over the years. It's now used to describe someone who the girl doesn't think is hot, basically. Ugly guy tells a girl she is pretty and she thinks he's a creep. Handsome guy tells a girl she is pretty, and it's all cool and he will get rewarded for being confident and forward etc In fact this was proven when they done that experiment by opening girls on tinder using the same lines (a very direct line about wanting to eat the gi…
/r/seduction17/08/18 05:44 PM
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I'm deffo a 'thrill of the hunt' guy. I never even WANT to sleep with the same girl more than once usually! I find it boring. All about new pussy for me lol
/r/seduction17/08/18 05:19 PM
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it's super dependent on your location and how often you go out (and of course your looks) rather than your 'skill' I had what I considered a good run last year and got 12 lays which was like 1 per month, but I only go out once per week and only approach a few girls per night (approach anxiety :() so not a terrible hit rate. But if a good looking guy is living in Vegas or something, he can get laid most nights with ZERO 'game'
/r/seduction17/08/18 04:23 PM
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Here in the UK, you always seem to read in the papers about some nutter who abused some teenage girl and the report always says ''They met when he added her on facebook and after exchanging some messages she agreed to meet him in person'' and i'm always thinking ''show me the messages!! How did he do it?!!'' I've tried a few times to message random hot girls but have a 100% ignore/block rate and i've tried a few different methods I think as the top comment says, it's all about being handsome (sa…
/r/seduction17/08/18 07:51 AM
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basically this. All coaches play MASSIVE numbers game (and they can. It's their job afterall). They aren't much more successful in terms of percentages than any other random guy tbh. Everyone can look good with editing and cherry picking interactions They probably need to approach like 50 girls to get a same night lay with a fairly attractive girl, just like most average looking guys. It's all in the editing/marketing
/r/seduction16/08/18 12:46 PM
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there's really nothing to 'learn' tbh. You approach her, chat to her, ask her out. If she thinks you're hot, she'll say 'yes', otherwise she'll reject you
/r/seduction16/08/18 12:37 PM
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possibly the weirdest dude on the whole of reddit, and that's saying something!! LOL
/r/seduction16/08/18 12:33 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/askwomenadvice/comments/75cza6/why_did_she_laugh/?st=jkwjfk52&sh=ce9833d8
/r/seduction16/08/18 12:25 PM
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lol
/r/seduction16/08/18 12:14 PM
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contact your GP
/r/seduction16/08/18 11:26 AM
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make an appointment with your gp
/r/seduction16/08/18 10:20 AM
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I can sense your frustration about the conflict in rules etc. I can emphasize!!! If you dig deeper (like I have done) you'll find ENDLESS examples. Mystery saying you only show intent AFTER she's giving you lots of IOI's and showing her intent first etc among about 200 other converging theories. (from whether to volunteer you own name, to the use of routines, to using 'interview mode' or not etc etc etc) Best thing I can advise is to not worry about any of it. Look at it from the other way. WHAT…
/r/seduction16/08/18 08:48 AM
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yes, because you might stumble across a girl who thinks you're above average. Not below it. It's why I mentioned teh Jamie Vardie example, not to mention when I, as an ugly 5/10, banged a 9/10 18 year old (well over a decade my junior) from a cold approach
/r/seduction15/08/18 06:44 PM
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lol
/r/seduction15/08/18 01:44 PM
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The pain from rejection only last for a few seconds in my experience the pain lasts exactly 3 days! I'M not kidding. I've been approaching for about 14 months and I go out on a Saturday night, and every week I don't feel 'normal' again (I keep replaying all the girls telling me that they're not interested) until about Tuesday! lol. Although maybe i'm more sensitive than some!
/r/seduction10/07/18 04:59 PM
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how are you defining game? Like mysterymethod, open, neg, opinion opener, memorising DHV stories and magic tricks and stuff? Or something else. cheers
/r/seduction10/07/18 04:31 PM
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Is that even a rule? I know it's a rule according to mystery, but lots of other PUA's say that negging etc doesn't work at all. Don't forget that game isn't a science. All of the experts disagree on just about every single thing lol YOu need to be your own authority
/r/seduction10/07/18 02:57 PM
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don't they say that 'game' can't get you a specific girl or something?
/r/seduction10/07/18 12:11 PM
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most of the women I have dated, not only didn’t find me attractive at first, but didn’t even want to speak with me when I approached them Can you share what you said to them to turn them around? I'm fairly ugly and am usually 'insta rejected' (I experiment with all kinds of openers). Typically I get told i'm not her type after I open. What is your method? Do you go into a DHV story or something? Some sort of attraction material? How do you make her want you if she thinks you're not good looking?…
/r/seduction10/07/18 09:53 AM
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I'm not saying it'll bother you to have idiots calling you a pedo lol. Just that you'll likely be wasting your time. However, i'm currently seeing a girl who just turned 18 (was 17 when I met her) and i'm 31. I can't really offer much advice as such. I've been turned down by hundreds of teen girls who probably dismissed me straight away based on my age/appearance. But know that it's not an impossibilty! I met her when I was walking out of a bar and teased her for being to young to get served. We…
/r/seduction29/06/18 05:47 PM
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I suggest you ask on a different sub/site lol Nothing wrong with wanting to bang some 18 year olds (at any age), but This place has a history of people being offended by older guys trying to date young girls. You'll get lots of strange replies!
/r/seduction29/06/18 05:30 PM
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Sounds like you're hella handsome so getting laid in life won't be an issue for you! Congratz. Keep it up
/r/seduction21/05/18 08:21 AM
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I think he's saying that the act of approaching lots/numbers game that typically happens after one discovers 'game' is what produces the increase in lays. http://aaronsleazy.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/an-rsd-escape-story.html
/r/seduction16/05/18 04:03 PM
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read this http://aaronsleazy.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/an-rsd-escape-story.html
/r/seduction16/05/18 03:38 PM
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lol, that's quite true on many levels, tbh. I mean, I disagree in that I think people like Julien DO have very good game. Max has game, BUT his pulls are largely the result of girls basically opening HIM due to him being very handsome. I'm convinced Luke and Tyler are just banging strippers through having money (millions in Tylers case) and connections, drugs, opportunities and their general party lifestyle etc. And yes, there have certainly been a number of infields that go down as 'pulls' wher…
/r/seduction08/05/18 11:20 AM
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Can you give me some conversation stacks/things to say for night game for after I open a girl, to give me some ideas and things for me to work on? You say to have everything prepared in advance.
/r/seduction08/05/18 11:12 AM
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Yeah, I get what you're saying and I also understand Todd's point. However, it doesn't change the fact that lots of coaches completely advise very direct game, and not just as way to get accustomed to game or specifically for newbies only. No. They advise it as the very best method for everyone. In fact, I' wager that nowadays, very direct game is probably taught more than indirect game Going back 10 years, this definitely would not have been the case. And yes, having said all of that, PERSONALL…
/r/seduction17/04/18 08:22 PM
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the generic blanket statement you are hot/cute - Apparently that is still suboptimal because according to the video intent should be through actions and not words Completely depends on which expert you listen too, though. Lots of PUA's say that that is exactly what you should be doing (going up and telling girls you find them sexually attractive) And yeah, for what it's worth, I usually do INDIRECT game, but I like to experiment all of the time, personally
/r/seduction17/04/18 07:14 PM
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examples of what you say when you open and how you transition? And is this night game or day game? thanks
/r/seduction17/04/18 06:01 PM
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It's actually a good, real life exercise for the rest of us, lol. Do you go direct and be like ''Hey, I know this is a bit forward but I think you're super cute'' and hope she think s you're handsome and so doesn't instantly reject you? (Mark manson type opener) Or go indirect with some sort of situational opener? MysteryMethod opinion opener? Observational? What to comment on? What do you notice about her or the environment that you can use to get a conversation going? Give your openers and tra…
/r/seduction17/04/18 05:15 PM
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Do you go direct or indirect for nightgame? It's hard to know what to do for the best when both sides of the seduction community seem to disagree in such a strong way! It makes it easier to 'lose hope' in whatever method you are trying at that moment, when you know that there's 50% of the community who would tell you you are doing it wrong! (but that that's always gonna be the case! lol)
/r/seduction17/04/18 01:10 PM
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I experimented with direct in my latest FR. IN for feedback https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/8cqjrp/fr_sat_playing_with_direct_and_indirect/?st=jg3kvfl4&sh=3ecbb5bf
/r/seduction17/04/18 11:22 AM
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Mate, it wrecks my brain! I'll read a post from someone and they are SO confident in their beliefs that it's all about being super direct and not hiding your intentions etc, and you start to believe that it's right since they're the expert and you're not. But then you have other people making an equally convincing argument for why you should always be indirect etc.
/r/seduction17/04/18 11:18 AM
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dude is very tall and very handsome. No surprises in that vid! lol
/r/seduction17/04/18 11:14 AM
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I just like testing with what apparent game experts tell me I should be doing, and on one of the pickup forums I read, the MODS tell me you should always be direct, go up to them and tell them that they are hot. Just be honest etc (Kind of Mark Manson idea I guess) No push/pull stuff or tricks or games etc is advised from them guys, but thanks for the feedback. When I experiment with RSD type opens or whatever, then I'll try to implement more push pull and indirect stuff
/r/seduction16/04/18 08:30 PM
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i like this, personally. Reminds me of that scene in 'the 40 year old virgin' where his character finally learns how to talk to women and he flirts with that girl in the store
/r/seduction11/04/18 09:41 PM
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I guess they were maybe not quite attracted to you enough to fill in the space when it went quiet/you couldn't think of what to say? I think they only 'chase' when you are like Leo Dicaprio lol.
/r/seduction20/03/18 02:53 PM
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My best lays/FWB were from instagram DMs. How on earth does that work?! I mean, are you like male model good looking? I went through a stage of messaging girls on facebook and insta because I'd see so many perfect 10's who lived near me so I though ''Fuck it! Why not!!'', but I never got even 1 reply, lol.
/r/seduction13/03/18 10:59 PM
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If you have game Doesn't everyone have 'game' now though, since there's no rules anymore? It's just inner game / be yourself /what you say doesn't matter etc. I mean, how do you define 'game' . You are 45 and you want to bang the hot 18 year old girl at the bar. What elements of 'game' (techniques) MUST one do in your opinion that someone without 'game' isn't doing? For example negs? Would that make the hot teen want you? Not trying to be sarcastic by the way. I'm genuinely curious as, nowadays,…
/r/seduction13/03/18 10:17 PM
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If you can bang nine 7's in six months, then I really don't see why you can't get girls as hot as your ex. 9's aren't necessarily pickier than 7's in my experience. All girls above like a 5 can afford to picky as fuck nowadays so if you're banging 7's with such apparent ease, I think you easily have it in you.
/r/seduction13/03/18 01:46 PM
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You don’t become great with women by going to the gym, cleaning yourself up, pursuing your passions, and getting your life together. Agreed. And to be honest I find it odd how so many people believe it to work like that. I've lost count of the number of friends who 'have their shit together' (very high paid job, honbbies, work out, life goals etc) but who haven't got laid in 5+ years despite their best efforts
/r/seduction13/03/18 01:41 PM
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Yeah, you definitely need a bit of luck to bag a super young girl when you start getting old. I'm your age and manged to pull a 17 year old recently, but that was a lottery win to be honest! Often times, they will rule you out pretty quick based on age
/r/seduction13/03/18 01:38 PM
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My instincts tell me that any benefits would be placebo and that i'd be better of with the real stuff like xanax or whatever, but I hope you're right as i'd like to try something like that
/r/seduction13/03/18 01:14 PM
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100 girls is pretty insane to be honest. I can't really get my head around how someone does that. Do you literally get girls throwing themselves at you over there in Texas every time you leave the house? Do you game 7 days a week? It just seems mad. For comparisoin, I have a friend who has worked as a legit male model and now in his 30's, and he's banged about 45 girls. Admittedly he's had a few relationships where he doesn't try to cheat, but still. Maybe it's because there's less of a 'hookup …
/r/seduction13/03/18 09:55 AM
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It's like "ok I know i need to tease her, but HOW do I think about a teasing comment in the moment?" This is a good point, and I struggle with this idea of implementing hte theory, too. I often know that I need to spike her emotions. Or I need to tease this particular girl. etc etc, but in the moment, the environment/my brain doesn't give me anything to tease her about. I guess completely canned game could be a way to go for you? Maybe it will suit you better. I know 'natural game' is all the ra…
/r/seduction13/03/18 09:43 AM
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you've slept with 6 women? I think that's the national average in the US. You're doing fine!
/r/seduction12/03/18 09:26 PM
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It's a tough one. It varies from person to person in terms of severity, but I think it's always there, really. I failed too open a single set last night. First time that's happened since I began 'game' about a year ago. It's true that you almost feel worse when you DON'T open in comparison to being rejected, but unfortunately, even that knowledge didn't help me in the moment! I think my AA has come back strong in part due to a number of nights out recently where girls just blanked me after I ope…
/r/seduction11/03/18 01:19 PM
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I swear on my life that I know people who were virgins a fair bit older than you are, who are now in double figures from cold approach lays including with some much younger, hotter girls PS - I've never had a date either! Although I ain't no virgin
/r/seduction09/03/18 06:40 PM
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honestly, the thought of it spikes my anxiety through the roof. Same as a job interview does. I watch awkward dates on the program 'first dates'' on channel4 in the UK (''Soo.......do you have any brothers or sisters?''..''So.....What made you pick your career?'') and I think ''Man, that'd be me on a date, and that looks painful!'' Something about a cold approach takes away a chunk of the 'pressure' for me for some reason
/r/seduction07/03/18 07:50 PM
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Ahhh! I see. In that case I completely agree. Very good looking guys need basically ZERO game to get laid in clubs, basically. And average to below average guys need to at least meet the girls threshold of 'decent/acceptable looking' as well as having shit loads of game. The way I read it the first time I thought you were saying that any old fool could get laid in clubs since it's so easy. Something I know to NOT be the case! lol
/r/seduction07/03/18 05:13 PM
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Results: ~30 numbers, 5 girls came on dates, 2 had sex. So what I'm looking at is a year of going out every weekend and having sex twice. I feel like this is pretty poor return on investment. Might not be setting the world alight, but my MAIN social group consists of 6 other guys who I go drinking with each week, and 2 of them haven't got laid in 5+ years of going out and making the odd approach each night, and one of them has got laid twice like you, but it took him 2 years so you're doing bett…
/r/seduction07/03/18 04:21 PM
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I see - yeah, OP has a strange post history full of bragging which usually means they are living in fantasy world, but whatever. Eskeeetiiit was saying that anyone can get with a girl at a bar/club/party That's why I asked. My experience is kind of the opposite! By that, I mean that I have a few friends who have failed almost 100% of the time to get laid in bars etc over teh course of decades, although tehy DO get the occasional lay from work girls and social circle. That's why I don't believe t…
/r/seduction07/03/18 11:15 AM
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Yes good looking guys will get laid easier in clubs, that’s a fact. At that point it has nothing to do with game. Are you saying that game doesn't matter in clubs and it's only about looks?
/r/seduction07/03/18 09:39 AM
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Ugly looking guy who is quiet and shy is ''Awkward and creepy'' Handsome looking guy who is quiet and shy is ''Mysterious and dreamy'' Looks are VERY important in my experience. You don't need to be leo Dicarpio handsome, but I think that if the girl does NOT think you are physically attractive, then nothing you do/say (game) will make her want to have sex with you. Being good looking is 'easy mode' and it's hard to NOT get laid
/r/seduction07/03/18 09:35 AM
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I knew the vid would be from that guy! haha I don't trust everything Tyler claims, but I trust him more than this jmulv dude, lol. Some of his vids where he's rambling away drunk about how he's banged thousands of models and is an excellent fighter and is rich and can learn any language in a matter of days and hold his breath for 30 mins etc etc are pure comedy gold. Like 'J' from 'the inbetweeners!' - I've seen no evidence of 'game' in this dudes infields, and so he's as likely to be using actr…
/r/seduction07/03/18 12:10 AM
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This is the real world, so i'm not gonna feed you bullshit about how girls don't care about good looks etc. However, I think that the things that you are self conscious about really don't sound like that big of a deal to me, tbh. Small ears? That sounds like a good thing. Weird shaped head? Assuming you have hair, again, I don't think it's something most people would even notice. I have a massive nose and a tiny chin and a receding harline that all combine to make me physically ugly and thus i'm…
/r/seduction05/03/18 08:02 PM
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by the way i personally love curly hair So do I! I'd been reading about push/pull teases and negs that morning, and obviously, once I was drunk, they must have slipped into my interaction and I just made one up on teh spot which I guess prompted her to dye and straighten her damn hair!!
/r/seduction05/03/18 03:23 PM
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Dunno man. I personally take A girl telling you about her boyfriend as a polite way of saying ''i'm not interested''.
/r/seduction05/03/18 10:13 AM
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lol
/r/seduction05/03/18 08:37 AM
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do i really think 'what'? lol
/r/seduction05/03/18 08:37 AM
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lol, I honestly felt like shit for a few seconds when I realised it WAS me that said it, and that I would have said it as an attempt to neg her. Too drunk to clearly remember it, though
/r/seduction05/03/18 08:36 AM
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This. I get this almost non-stop lol. Seems to be even worse in the UK!
/r/seduction03/03/18 06:58 PM
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obviously. That's just how it works. If a 9/10 with male model looks has a ''who can get laid the most this month'' competition against a 6/10 girl, he will not stand a CHANCE!
/r/seduction03/03/18 11:06 AM
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haha. I guess. I always forget that this site is mainly US people with different laws tbh. Thing is, i'm in the UK and I could be 100 years old, and as long as she's 16, it's all fine legal. I don't believe in 'creepy'. The law exists for a reason. She ended up being my hottest ever cold approach lay. My idea of a 9!
/r/seduction02/03/18 05:11 PM
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lol, that's as bad as me! I hooked up with a 17 year old last year, and I'm in my 30's lol edit: I'm downvoted, but DrBalance was heavily upvoted? You're a funny lot! lol
/r/seduction02/03/18 10:29 AM
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Fairly true, but in part, I feel it's because there's just too much conflicting information out there in regards to game. I can remember interactions where I ballsed up, and in hindsight, it was because I was thinking ''Don't show too much interest otherwise I give my power away. Don't show my interest first either, as per mysterymethod. Don't do this. Neg her here'' etc etc and I ended up losing girls that were into me, lol The community will never agree. There will always be people who say tha…
/r/seduction02/03/18 10:21 AM
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I guess I sometimes rely on 'copy paste' openers because I know that they have at least 'worked' in the past and they can feel safer. The other night I was out and a group of girls were near me, and the way they were interacting with each other made me think ''I bet they all work together and are on some sort of work night out''. I then thought ''screw it, I'll use that as my opener, since it's genuine and based on observation''. I turned to the hottest one and was like ''Hey, Do you guys all wo…
/r/seduction02/03/18 08:30 AM
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yeah, plus he's legit been exposed using an actresss. That evidence killed any credibility he had stone-dead, unfortunately.
/r/seduction01/03/18 10:43 PM
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True to be honest. In the infields in his program 'the natrual', he literally has girls coming onto him lots of the time. He also looks a LOT like a friend of mine (facially)who absolutely slays. Max is very handsome and so he's really gaming on easy mode. Yeah, yeah, I know he's on the short side, but girls will let that slide when you look like him I think coaches should wear super realistic hollywood 'ugly' masks, personally, (lol) if they want to prove that 'game' really is as powerful as th…
/r/seduction01/03/18 09:06 PM
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Most of these happened well before I joined reddit or was even aware of 'game'. However, I did write an interesting FR the other day which involved one of the afforementioned handsome friends. It worked out differently to usual though! https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/803o8n/fr_czech_me_out_get_in_here/?st=je76zn2o&sh=5b0478cb But that FR is unsual. Usually i'd just let him pull the girls (he'd always obviously always choose 2 hot girls), he'd take them and me somewhere, and i'd just …
/r/seduction28/02/18 02:46 PM
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pretty much agreed
/r/seduction27/02/18 09:40 PM
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it's all good! It's depressing in the moment when girls are literally asking to bang them and basically taking on the role of the man, but It's worked to my benefit lots of times. One of them used to ALWAYS just pull 2 hot girls after the clubs closed. We'd bring them back to my place and then bang one of them each lol. I'd just run nice guy game. He'd eventually go to a bedroom with the one he chose and i'd be left with the other girl who at that point is at least comfortable with me and more o…
/r/seduction27/02/18 09:37 PM
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is this supposed to be news? Women literally throw themselves at dudes and do al of the work if they find him exceptionally hot. I have 2 friends who are both male model tier who i've been out with hundreds of times, and the things i've seen make you wanna kill yourself over the jealousy lol! (well, maybe not kill yourself :))
/r/seduction27/02/18 06:45 PM
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Not saying you're wrong, but About 50% of the community would strongly disagree with you and would say that going direct like that isn't even 'game'
/r/seduction27/02/18 01:00 PM
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My dad lost his virginity at 10 years old, lol.
/r/seduction27/02/18 11:49 AM
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I've said it before - I think the self improvement stuff/get a good job / get lots of hobbies etc is all good, but I don't think it changes anything when it comes to getting girls. Do it for you, but don't expect girls to show interest in you just because you make good money and have lots of hobbies and ambition etc. 2 of my wings both fit the category of having extremely well paid, impressive jobs and big plans, lots of hobbies etc and are doing things most nights after work, and who are both m…
/r/seduction27/02/18 10:45 AM
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I wonder what the PRO INDIRECT guys think about this sort of post! :)
/r/seduction27/02/18 10:23 AM
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My best opener on Tinder is... "There she is." lol, that was my opener in person for a while for cold approach in bars/pubs. It just came to me in the moment, so I guess it's at least congruent with my personality. It used to do OK, but I stopped using after some really rude girl was like ''You don't even know me! Fuck off!!'' haha. I might need to bring it back into rotation
/r/seduction27/02/18 10:18 AM
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Is there really such thing as 'moves'? You can't make your cock do somersaults or anything. If you've watched porn you know 3 or 4 positions. And as long as you don't cum within like 5 mins, I'm not really sure there's anything to 'learn' as such in terms of penetration. Not to mention that all girls are different.
/r/seduction26/02/18 08:55 PM
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lulz, I get literally zero matches too!!
/r/seduction26/02/18 08:52 PM
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I'd feel weird about posting his pic TBH lol. What I will say is that i'm 100% certain that if I showed his pics, people would be mildly disappointed/would have expected more and will think ''Hmm...I guess he's kind of good looking but he's not AMAZING!'' however girls throw themselves at him I think he looks a little bit like a mixture between RSDMax and this dude: https://i.pinimg.com/474x/a2/42/df/a242df5e34a1e9d47fa75d7164dedc7d--tattoo-fixers-pretty-eyes.jpg He also has a strong looking phy…
/r/seduction26/02/18 08:59 AM
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cheers. Was a good one!
/r/seduction25/02/18 03:56 PM
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yep. He's handsome as hell lol
/r/seduction25/02/18 03:53 PM
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he laughed. He can get laid any night with whoever he wants so he doesn't care, lol
/r/seduction25/02/18 03:53 PM
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but aren't we supposed show intent and vulnerability? If he doesn't act interested, isn't that a guaranteed route to perma friend-zone?
/r/seduction24/02/18 07:15 PM
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can we swap lives please? I can't imagine having loads of girls sending me nudes and stuff lol You super good looking?
/r/seduction23/02/18 12:48 PM
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thanks. Any chance you can comment on this frustrating FR if you get a moment, old bean?! (in particular the friend of my cousin who I completely failed with despite her apparent interest) https://www.reddit.com/r/askseddit/comments/7ywonc/help_me_understand_how_i_messed_up/
/r/seduction22/02/18 08:27 AM
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It's a bit of a catch 22 for starters If you feel like a winner your sexual energy will be superior to the man who feels like a loser. i.e - you won't feel like a 'winner' (at least with women) if you aren't getting laid, no matter how 'good you're doing in life' and no matter if you have something to look forward too What i'm saying is that it's about situational confidence/competence in my mind. I know so many people who have their lives together. Have amazing careers and shit going on that th…
/r/seduction22/02/18 12:31 AM
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Couple of things. Firstly, i'm pretty sure they are legit in terms of, they aren't faking infields and using actresses. They've put out so much content for so many years now, that they'd have been 'found out' by now with lots more proof, like other PUA's who DID uses actresses like Daniel Blake and Tom Torerro and a few others. I think the only issue was that a few times Tom and Tyler used their girlfriends in infields to help them pull girls, and some people assumed that these girls were actres…
/r/seduction21/02/18 11:09 PM
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that's a good todd video. i've seen it before in fact. Although in general, i'm not a hige fan of mystery. I feel as though it was a method to be used on a very specific type of girl in a specific place (the high end clubs in LA) The guys who I see doing best seem to run game in a very different way.
/r/seduction21/02/18 12:11 PM
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Does anyone have any input at all? I've been going over it in my head and it's been bugging me, lol
/r/seduction20/02/18 06:24 PM
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I do agree that routines can seem cheesy, but I also find that without them, I can't keep a girls interest for more than a few seconds. Aksing her questions about herself, making cold reads etc, just doesn't seem to work for me
/r/seduction20/02/18 11:40 AM
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you started working as a student? I'm not sure what that means. But yeah, next time she says that, be like ''Hold up, i'll come with you'' and then just start talking to her
/r/seduction15/02/18 07:10 PM
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pills?
/r/seduction14/02/18 05:21 PM
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There are some cultural differences that i've seen this sub ignore. As you say, most here are from the US so don't really understand. You say you're in Europe. Me too. It DOES happen (in bars), but it's not like in the US where there is a bigger culture of talking to strangers in general. Also things like 'singles bars' and stuff. Slightly more of a 'hook up' culture. I often feel i'm just about the only person in my town making approaches, lol. And it IS hard, because, as you say, it's just ful…
/r/seduction13/02/18 11:12 AM
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MMA girl keeps looking at you? Sounds like she's mad dogging you - sizing you up for a fight. Just be like ''You got a fucking problem?!! Keep looking at me like that and i'll spin your fucking jaw!!'' I kid. Just try to talk to her a bit more than usual. See if you sense she's deffo interested, and then maybe ask her out?
/r/seduction09/02/18 09:32 AM
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what do you think about mysterymethod in terms of building attraction through DHV stories and negs and routines etc? How do you personally 'build attraction'? I've seen your infields, but I am often, to be quite honest, surprised that the girsl go home with you (no offense!!) and I tend to assume that she was just into your particular look or whatever since you didn't actually do anything that I think of as 'game'. cheers
/r/seduction08/02/18 07:34 PM
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, guys who have these dark personality traits are the guys women love the most. This isn’t even a debate. You have witnesses this yourself countless times and have read endless stories about some degenerate dude getting a girl, aka the fuckboy. The fuckboy is a dude that fucks endless number of women and everybody else is embarrassed that he’s getting laid, and they aren’t. I hope you go into what we need to do and say in our interactions to emulate them. I'm guessing it's about being very aggre…
/r/seduction07/02/18 11:30 PM
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Not many guys actually get approached, dude! Out of my hundreds of male friends, I have 3 who get appraoched by girls a lot and can get laid at the click of their fingers. But they are the rare ones! Model good looks. Don't expect that to ever happen, really!
/r/seduction07/02/18 11:22 PM
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My first thought: ''Would you fuck my friend?'' ''I dunno....how much money is she offering?'' (kind of a re-frame) Although thinking about it, i'd be tempted to use it as a kind of qualification routine and say something like ''I dunno. I don't even know her. She's cute, but that's not enough for me. She needs to be cool/have other qualities!''
/r/seduction07/02/18 11:15 PM
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Who would this 'age rule' be for? Don't worry about pleasing other people! What is there to ponder? If you think she's hot, and she's into you, go for it!
/r/seduction07/02/18 12:18 AM
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I never know whether ''Isn't that guy cute'' is actually a shit test, or a way for the girl to gently let you down and let you know you haven't got a shot with her. I had this exact line thrown at me after talking to some super hot young thing in a bar. I replied with ''Yeah, I'd fuck him!''. She laughed, but she was still checking him out from time to time and eventually I ejected and decided that she was never actually into me
/r/seduction06/02/18 04:55 PM
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''It makes me more attainable. Can you imagine if I had perfect skin like a porcelain doll? That'd be perfection, and way too intimidating for a girl like you!''
/r/seduction06/02/18 04:50 PM
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I really don't understand how one can be really good at sex tbh. I know every guy thinks that they're amazing in bed (all of my friends seem too! lol) but I've been with a good handful of girls now, and I still don't necessarily think i'm any 'better' at sex that I was my first time, lol. Can you give me some ideas? It's like, your cock can really only do so much. You can't make it spin around. It goes in and out at different speeds/depths and minore angle changes. so i'm not sure what there rea…
/r/seduction06/02/18 09:35 AM
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I think the thing is that it probably HASN'T always been so difficult. We'll only TRULY know the true effect of things like tinder and social media and a host of other things in the future. There's all kinds of speculation but not the hard evidence as yet. I do think some of them things have been 'game changers' though, to be honest. I feel like girls are likely more superficial than ever before, and also have more choices than ever before and the whole dating dynamic seems to have shifted into …
/r/seduction05/02/18 11:57 PM
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