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[–]hubbycaps 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
but they always feel like the lay was a result of her decision to bang me within 2 seconds of seeing me as opposed to me 'convincing' a girl to be attracted to me
Hmmmm, to be honest, I've watched hundreds of infields and read hundreds of FR's, and i'd say that this is basically the case 100% of the time. For everyone. Even the PUA coaches (You never see people banging girls who are like 'sorry can you go away? I'm not interested. Bye' kind of thing)
Still usually takes some 'game' to seal the deal though, so give yourself some credit if you have some cold approach lays
[–]muckbrigade 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
yes, i've seen the same thing in infields (people only ever pull strong 'yes girls'). However, my life mission is to see whether this stuff is legit or not lol
/u/BrunoFromBrazil - I see that you follow MM? Any thoughts?
[–]crawleycrepe 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/d9ezmp/hot_neighbour_sos/
As you can see, girls are the same as guys when it comes too attraction
[–]BrunoFromBrazil 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link
Strongly disagree, if game could only get you the 'yes girls' then it wouldn't be a thing... it'd be just 'approach and be yourself'. We know that's what extroverted betas do, and it works only to some extent (ie girls that are less attractive than yourself).
If you think about it, you only need game if you want to bang women who are out of your league.
Yes, I've closed many many girls who didn't like me at first and wanted me to leave. Those are the girls you can ONLY get by using game.
I clearly remember this one interaction that happened many years ago because the girl was extremely hot, like 100% my type. I remember seeing her at the bar, miniskirt revealing incredibly toned legs (later found out she's a runner), tiny waist, blonde hair.
My jaw actually dropped and I said to my wingman: THAT'S A 10. He said it was a 9 to him, but it's just because she was too athletic (that's how I like them).
Anyway, she was with a group of 2 guys - one of them very tall and built, the other one was average. It took me a few minutes to finally open (I was a bit intimidated by her looks and the big guy).
I opened with an indirect opener, over the shoulder, talking to the whole group, etc. Textbook MM.
As I was delivering my opener, she was looking at the guys clearly thinking 'who the fuck is this guy'?
But I was very funny and interesting, the guys started engaging, I negged her a couple of times, they laughed, and eventually I got everyone to start dancing a little bit and dragged her out of the set with a little spin. Isolated, used LOTS of DHVs, opened other sets nearby as we were dancing (nonverbally getting people to dance with us), etc etc. Played TIGHT GAME.
After 20 min I was trying to kiss her. She rejected many times, but kept dancing with me, so I kept escalating and deescalating, IODs and DHVs, etc. Until we finally kissed.
Then after the kiss she was suddenly super nice and friendly. Got her number, saw her again a couple of times, one of the hottest chicks I've evet dated. My wingman complimented me afterwards, as he saw parts of the interaction.
It's hard to say what went wrong on YOUR interaction, but I know for sure that game WORKS. Maybe your game wasn't as tight as you thought, maybe she was having a bad day. But if you feel like your game was SOLID, then that girl is an exception. MOST girls will react well to game and it's effective enough that it's worth learning/using.
Regarding what you said about "they thinking they made the decision in the first 2 seconds", that's awesome. That's exactly what they should think. That's called backwards rationalization and they will always do that.
[–]crawleycrepe 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
in his example the girl literally told him he wasn't her type. She wasn't physically attracted. No amount of negs and DHV stories would change that. In your example, the girl probably thought you were handsome but pretended not to be interested for a few seconds (maybe due to her friends being there or it's part of her shtick etc)
[–]BrunoFromBrazil 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Women do NOT feel attraction the same way that we do. It's time everyone here understands that and stop with this bullshit about instant physical attraction being a prerequisite for seduction.
Simple way to prove that: would you ever date an ugly girl just because she's in a band? No you wouldn't.
Hot girls date ugly rockstars ALL THE TIME.
Of course girls like pretty guys, but they WILL date an ugly guy if his value is much higher than hers.
[–]BrunoFromBrazil 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Exhibit A: https://imgur.com/a/QZUO8GH
[–]ntipz011 6 years ago [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link
Idk man, there doesn't seem to be any hook whatsoever. And by giving IOD as an answer to what you perceived to be a IOD she just felt like "alright, boring pointless conversation" and moved on in her mind.
You gotta engage her emotions. Have her talk about herself. Who cares about some rando commando coming to tell you his DVH.
[–]hubbycaps 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You gotta engage her emotions
Isn't that the point of HIS routines and stuff? Engage her emotions and make her attracted to you, even if you're ugly? (game)
[–]muckbrigade 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
And by giving IOD as an answer to what you perceived to be a IOD she just felt like "alright, boring pointless conversation" and moved on in her mind.
That's actually how to do it by the book, for what it's worth (IOD begets an IOD and then a DHV)
You gotta engage her emotions. Have her talk about herself
The idea is that the routines etc engage her emotions. And i'm not really 'allowed' to ask her questions about herself (interview mode) until she is showing some clear interest, again, as per the model
thanks for the reply
[–]ntipz0111 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Man you're not going to engage people's emotion by talking about yourself and your DVH.
If you were high value/status people would feel emotions by being around you. But in your example you're just going in and showing a girl that you're not interested in her.
[–]ModeratorCaptain_w00t 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I congratulate you for the ability to use all those routines, but reading your post I felt your process a lot mechanical. I don’t doubt it usually works for you, but I wouldn’t be comfortable doing that way.
It’s like you’re following an algorithm rather than going for something more natural. To me, it looked like she smelled you were trying too hard and wasn’t interested or in the right mood.
Another disadvantage of using only routines is that when you run out of material, you’re lost.
Sometimes routines can be useful, but they are just something to use carefully.
[–]smoothmax 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Didn't read it all but I saw a shit ton of acronyms and jargon in there.
Don't know what "M" uses (probably something pretty freaky) but his coaching partner Beckster said he uses 90% natural game and maybe 10% routines. He just acts his normal self. He said he found after a while he was 100% natural but added a couple of routines back just cause they're fun sometimes.
He's M's best friend and constant partner, he looks at the guy running game and says, yeah I'm gonna dress regular ... and after I tell her and her friends a joke I'm just gonna see if the girl vibes with me.
For a more nuanced look, watch Beckster's "Saturday Sarging" video. He does some high energy dance floor stuff but I think his game IRL is pretty natural eg. his daygame infield with the blonde girl on a park bench.
[–]IntoxicatedOrange 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Why are you still using mystery method then if you've done thousands of approaches and only had a few lays? Doesn't that mean it's not doing anything?
[–]KingRemu 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Bad game habits are hard to lose and if it works sometimes it's even harder because you're not sure if you're doing something wrong because it works sometimes. I think Todd talks about this in one of his videos
[–]IntoxicatedOrange 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yeah but surely going up to women and saying random things would get you a better ratio than something around "1 in 1000", no? It sounds like in his case, trying to "game" using a method is actually making him worse than if he were to just do anything that came to mind. Unless he's just that unattractive (something like a 2/10) but I find that unlikely
[–]KingRemu 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, I have to agree.
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