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[–]marijuanaenjoyer 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
listen man i’m gonna be honest if you can’t do it without surgery u won’t be able to with it.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
This isn't necessarily true. People in this sub tend to try to put everything into black and white.
Do doubt there's a lot more to the picture than his current face.
But...
If he's placed the blame on his lack of success from something he thinks surgery could fix, the best part about the surgery will be the confidence boost he gets when he sees his new face in the mirror. That could go a long way.
No doubt he'll realize there are a bunch of other things he needs to work on too after that, but it's that first step that gets the ball in motion.
[–]Key_Ad_5626 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Nah bro. He is right. Why? 1)95% of the time, surgery doesn't give you the result that you want. You can always find defects even in the perfect face. 2)After getting surgery, something else will be an issue like money, status, height, physique etc. It is a never ending cycle. You will always desire something more.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Totally agree with both your points, but the surgery will not have a 0 net effect. You're looking at it too black and white.
[–]Key_Ad_5626 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Bro I have been in his place. Even I had the jaw surgery and talked to many people. For few weeks, you ll feel amazing. But after that, things will get back to normal as of you never had the surgery.
[–]b_a_d_r0b0t 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No
[–]Feeling-Feeling308 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Fix your low self esteem through things you can control without something as dramatic as surgery first. You sound like you’re depressed. Workout, eat right, take care of your looks (haircut, dress better, smell nice, clear skin, general hygiene) make more money, work on your social skills, learn how to spit game to women, and get therapy/ medication for your depression. And for the record most guys aren’t having as much sex as you think they are. And stop watching porn. If you do all these things if you’re ugly as fuck you can level up at least a little bit. Then consider getting surgery.
[–]Luweisel 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
THIS! It takes deliberate effort for men to have sex as much as you think they are. Most men aren’t having that lifestyle. You should compare yourself with who you were yesterday, not who others are today. Hit the gym, invest your time in yourself, and socialize more. The surgery will help, yes! However, it will not be the cure. These are deep rooted issues you have (and arguably most men have), that will only be remedied through constant self improvement. If you invest, your time will come king.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If I was attractive, I would have lost my virginity at 17 like all normal (attractive) people.
17 is the average age in the US. Average means that 50% of people lose it after 17. Do you really believe 50% of people are not normal?
If I was attractive, women wouldn't ghost me after EVERY first date I've ever had.
But if you were not attractive in some way you wouldn't have gotten the dates in the first place.
If I was attractive, at least ONE woman would be attracted to me.
How to you know that is not the case?
It seems like Brad Pitt
Comparing yourself to a 0,01% man (his status and fame as a whole) is ridiculous. 99.99 % of men can't compete. You are not consistent: At first you want to be normal, then you compare yourself with an extreme outlier ...
I can't evaluate whether your surgery is really necessary without seeing you. But maybe psychotherapy would be a better investment. Also, a good dating strategy can get average or below average people sexual/romantic partners. It will take more effort compared to more attractive people but still work. Trust me.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That sucks man
The genetic lottery can be really rough.
Keep in mind there are many attractive men that are not getting this sex they want. Make sure you are working on yourself as much as you can and pursuing things (other than women) that are meaningful to you in addition
[–]Delicious_Ad_1853 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Real talk: You're not attractive and it's ruining your chances with women.
Also, "attractive" is more than just facial structure. Even if you get the perfect jawline, you're still going to be judged on your style, physique, posture, etc and your ability to approach women, hold a conversation, flirt, and escalate kino.
How are you doing on those topics? If they need work, the sooner you start working on them, the better.
[–]Top-Conversation678 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I disagree 10/10, women ghost you after date because of how you present yourself not how you look, dont get me wrong looks do matter but only at first, what you say is 95% of the equation
[–]Important-Quote9544 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You are 100% right. Get that surgery and do other things to improve your looks.
Success and looks go hand in hand and not just in dating.
[–]lmao_lemo 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I lost my virginity at 17 got into dates with a few women got called ugly also got called that I looked like a model yet I feel pathetic. Its more about who you are and you think about yourself, women won't make your life any more meaningful. I suppose we average people need to find the true meaning in life.
[–]CocoBabeNYC 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Go for it.
[–]igot_it 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There is a difference between attractive and good looking. Not gonna lie physical looks do matter, but not in the way you might think. You set a lot of arbitrary milestones with this post, but the only person those benchmarks matter to is you. The consistent failure you describe in relation to them is why you are not attractive. You are sabotaging your self esteem by focusing on the things you haven’t achieved, but it’s focusing on successes that builds your self confidence. If surgery helps with that then go for it. But be careful that it doesn’t wind up being another failed benchmark by your standards. Good luck.
[–]masterduelistky 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I was 23 before I got laid, it's not the end of the world. It really is a numbers game.
[–]Important-Quote9544 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
For the avg to ugly man yes
[–]Frigh23 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Dude. Hit the gym, get your diet on point, upgrade your wardrobe and you will be 7/10 in no time. Focus on things you can control.
[–]narwaffles 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I get girls telling me I'm attractive but they all change their mind after talking to me lol
[–]Shadow__Account 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You win the prestigious, victim of the week award 🥇 congrats dude!
[–]vicrollin420 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Bruh just humble yourself and please stop playing victim women HATE that ish
[–]blunt_eastwood 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Speak to a therapist.
[–]jonathanwick4 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Nope. This is black pill thinking. I’m 23, have Brad Pitt-level looks, and have only slept with 2 women in my life (one being a 5+ year relationship). Getting action is more of a skills game/sales gig.
[–]Important-Quote9544 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Stop the cap. You don’t have Pitt level looks.
[–]jonathanwick4 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Gotcha. Didn’t realize you had a photo of me.
[–]Zealousideal6669 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm attractive but I'm single. It doesn't really work that way. I'm attractive I know, girls also know it but I chose to stay single. Most guys just usually just don't realise that they're actually attractive and they afraid of being judged like you're so cocky so they rather hide that. Or they're attractive, they got some positive feedback but they just simply don't know how to communicate with girl so they're trying but they always stuck in a friend zone
[–]Revolutionary_Wind_8 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I feel you my guy
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