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[–]grrinchas 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Totally agree.
Thousands of years people were fine without “seduction” techniques. And if you can get laid without them. Then there is no reason to learn them.
[–]smoothmax 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You have 2 things going on here. In the evolutionary time scale, primitive humans didn't need to learn seduction techniques because their natural, social and sexual instincts were unrestrained.
In historical times, human mating instincts have been repressed by artificial legal and religious codes which are enforced by peer pressure at best, by official and mob violence at worst.
"Learning game" is about rediscovering your natural instincts for meeting and socializing with women. And doing it in an ethical way.
It wouldn't be necessary to learn anything if we weren't so brainwashed from an early age by parents, schools, church, media, etc. Into being stupid chodes with dysfunctional views on relationships. But that's where we're at so be smart and be skeptical, use your brain and improve your life.
[–]thedudesmashes 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
You really couldn't be more wrong. Read "Art of Seduction" Robert Greene.
[–]RawlingRR 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Of course the techniques have been around but Most back in the day "techniques" are basic human standards rebirthed as a "technique"
[–]thedudesmashes 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
What?
[–]RawlingRR 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They arent really anything special. They are just basic standards we should all have for a partner when we are choosing them...such as a fit man, Good hygine, gentleman-like, not a wuss, etc. Not really techniques...but just something everyone should have already before they choose to use the in depth techniques
[–]smoothmax 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I think there are better books on dating and relationships. Greene's book is more like a historical and literary excursion than a practical guide.
PUA coaches who teach bootcamps are a lot better at cutting through the B.S. and giving guys succinct, practical advice.
While Greene focuses on identifying, analyzing and courting one crush at a time, the PUA approach is more practical in terms of making yourself attractive then casting a wide net.
[–]thedudesmashes 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Art of seduction and the game all fall under the net of seduction. Art of seduction is a literal book with historical evidence that seduction has always been a thing as long as humans established civilization.
[–]smoothmax 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
True enough. It's just that I read Greene's book and was only able to form vague ideas about how to impress my oneitis crush ... which didn't work. But from reading lots of PUA material and watching infields I was able to come up to speed relatively quickly. Everything they teach is immediately actionable, whereas Robert Greene's advice is mostly poetic drivel.
Robert Greene's book was more of a frame to give you a certain state of mind when considering seduction.
No I don't expect you to read art of seduction and then travel teo Rome to try to seduce Caesar as Cleopatra did. Haha
[–]Lord_Augastus 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yes but modern world doesnt teach men how to act around women they like, not even women, these are just general techniques that transmit desire and attention and intention. Game of love etc. Modern world is full of depression loneliness and isolation despite being overpopulated...funny how there are more people but we feel more alone. So yes, improving yourself improves your social status and behaviour and confidence and game. But seducation as i have seen it, is teaching the lost to start somewhere and get going. Its not that hard, treat strangers as friends with kindness and humbleness or not, and see results. Numbers game is teaching through experience, trial and error, make mistakes and you will learn since you want to. Its not rocker science or hard, but it is when hyper sexualised porn lead teenagers grew up on ideals of media and romanticized novels and movies that conflict with this sexualised side of it, and suddenly interpersonal becomes a strange thing to be, when all you have ever known is mostly prepubescent or mundanity of bubbled or more like closed circles of social interactions.... I am using pubescents as its relevant, as men avoid this 'game' till the 20s, 30s, etc. Incels virgins, introverts, all have something in common, lack of social experience to do this without emotionally and mentally ruining themselves with expectations. Sure there are those who just want to sleep with as many as they can, but they will get there despite the seduction..... they have the drive to try and fail to succeed. But not everyone. So ya know, it may seem straightforward to you, but not to someone who is just emerging from this cocoon and yarn for more. Techniques help as they work not for everyone, not always, but it gives the tools that help drive up success that builds confidence and helps that tough period of failure as you get better with social interactions with people.
[–]RawlingRR 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What this post is about, is how the basic Seduction techniques and standards are important but some people are overthinking it. They are diving super deep on body language and psychology , when they dont even know Psychology or Body language (As in they arent professional and dont have the knowledge to be one). I was making a point saying I was at the same stance as these people and I eventually overthought it like these people, but I just took a more natural approach with basic seduction "techniques" or whatever rather than complicated methods . I became so much more successfull with women by just forcing my self to talk to them, anxiety or not, just having more friends that are girls. I was able to find out what girls like and yada yada, while makimg myself a better man , focusing on myself as a man. Then it came to me and the only method I ended up using to fine tune , was the pullaway method since its basic human Psychology
You're called a natural. Most people seeking advice here don't know what to do, which is fine. Society does a pretty shitty job at explaining it and making it clear what the roles of each gender are. That's why they come here, seduction is like any other hobby, the more you practice the better you'll get.
[–]RawlingRR -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I understand completely...I am not necessarily a "natural" because I was in the same place as those people. I became more effiecent at it. But this post was for those people...so they dont waste time on all these complicated techniques and overtinking every move the female makes, and rather focusing on themself first, while forcing themselfes to talk to people and girls and letting biological charm to come out from their shell
[–]axe122 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
The techniques are to get you started so you can establish some inner game and just get good in general talking and flirting with women. That comes easy to some guys and not so easy to others. Game is basically systematic flirting for guys who don’t know how to interact with women to make the interactions man to woman.
I learned most of the techniques from years of trial and error and didn’t even know what i was doing was referred to as a push pull but over years I figured out that saying that grabbed girls attention in the beginning and increased my chances of hooking up with them.
The problem with the stuff is guys who obsess over techniques and never put them into action cuz I could imagine trying to do a ton of technical things upon a cold approach without being comfortable even talking with girls and trying all the stuff at once would get you even more in your head. You really gotta approach if you wanna get good at game.
[–]RawlingRR 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
You pretty much are agreeing with me I think. You're completely right about the action part. And I mean that people overthink the little things and end up nowhere and full of anxiety. Men should focus on themselves first and sloely just talk to girls and you will become more effiecient at it. Like you said a lot of the methods that end up working get used without realising
[–]axe122 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Yeah I was half agreeing with you maybe 3/4 cuz it took me years to cultivate a system that was getting consistent results. If your under 24 it’s a little different cu you still meet girls through social circles and go out regularly with friends. Once your over 25 I was pretty much left 100% on my own and had to cold approach or online date. That’s where the whole just be the best version of yourself doesn’t help as much cuz you still gotta be able to smoothly grab a girls attention who you’ve never spoke with and have zero social proof. It woulda been easier had I known the stuff when I was younger but you gotta put it into practice while your learning it and just add one thing at a time.
I can tell you in my experience doing cold approach that small talk and cliche “you come here often” type conversations get you nowhere unless she finds you hot enough to just make it super easy for you. If your like a 5 outA 10 and just kinda making the cut for her and you don’t have game is when you get blown out or one word answers or their looking around the room and shot like is this conversation over yet.
It woulda been nice to have known this stuff when I was 25 instead of having to learn it through trial and error over 5 years. I think the biggest thing is to not get hung up on theory and find that middle ground of technique and being the best version of yourself.
I also don’t believe that game will get you any girl you approach no matter how good you are. She’s gotta view you as at least a 5/10 to give you a shot to even game her. If your a 5 your fighting an uphill battle but it can be done if your below a 5 she’s not gonna give you the chance to elicit an emotional response from her. Most guys have a shot with most girls but they really gotta be on point is where game helps during cold approach.
[–]jujigame 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I can tell you in my experience doing cold approach that small talk and cliche “you come here often” type conversations get you nowhere unless she finds you hot enough to just make it super easy for you
how do your convos look now in comparison, say in a bar? Opener, transition etc
[–]axe122 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Start with a false time constraint and go right into conversation that works a push pull maybe a qualifier. I prefer day game over night game though. Still same routine, I start with a false time constraint and just start talking
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