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[–]africanpyjamas69 23 points24 points25 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Please don't do this... At least lock eyes and dance with her normally first and THEN escalate into grinding.
Just imagine if a 2m tall muscular dude started grinding on you in a club, how would that make you feel? That's how it makes most women feel.
[–]oron17 -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Escalating on a trance club? Please explain
[–]Grabowerful 14 points15 points16 points 8 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Easy to do at raves/clubs and has a high success rate as long as you aren't being weird. Can easily hook up with a girl after grinding for a minute, but its pretty immature and you will not meet women this way.
[–]DarkArtsPUA112 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
misleading. can work if you're good looking, is it any better compared to opening normally? it probably doesn't matter, so i would just open normally because it's easier.
you shouldn't say it has a high success rate, because for the bottom 80% of guys in terms of looks the success rate is probably standard
[–]oron17 -5 points-4 points-3 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Got slapped?
[–]Grabowerful 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Nope, never got slapped.
[–]oron17 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
You just come behind a girl right? What do you mean by acting weird?
[–]Grabowerful 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Yeah but only if the girl clearly wants someone to grind on her. Don't just approach a random girl that's standing and grab her hips. Grinding is for the girls that are twerking or dancing.
[–]oron17 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
The thing that I kinda find weird about this is that they don't see your face
[–]Grabowerful 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That’s half the point lol.
[–]jenkinsonfire 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I have. Shit hurt and stung for a while
[–]judahman8 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
You have to get a signal of some sorts from the girl so you know it's ok. Basically it's like non verbal consent.
[–]oron17 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
Like? How is it possible when you are coming from behind?
[–]moneys5 12 points13 points14 points 8 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Are you retarded? Don't sneak up on girls from behind to start grinding on them. How do you even ask that question as if there's no possible alternative.
[–]oron17 -4 points-3 points-2 points 8 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Nobody's sneaking up on girls dude. And in a club where the music is too loud you can't speak there are actually not many alternatives. Dancing with the girl (holding hands) is weird and dancing near the girl or facing her won't get you anywhere
[–]Moderatorrecyclablebanthas 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
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Nobody's sneaking up on girls dude.
He was talking about your assumption that you'd be approaching from behind.
Coming up from behind when she can't see you, is sneaking.
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And in a club where the music is too loud you can't speak there are actually not many alternatives.
Sorry, what? There is a HUGE alternative and you're ignoring it.
In a club, you have tons of non-verbal ways of communicating. Eye contact, facial expressions, gestures, body language in general.
All of that would happen when you're both visible to one another. None of it would be when you're coming up from behind.
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.....dancing near the girl or facing her won't get you anywhere
I'll put it to you this way. If you can't pull off the social interaction while you're both facing each other, what makes you think that sneaking up from behind would be more successful?
These options give you the best chances. The solution is to work on your non-verbal communication, not avoid it with the rear approach.
[–]oron17 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Do you have any sources? Haven't seen one place only that explains it well.
[–]Moderatorrecyclablebanthas 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I covered a couple things..... Which thing are you specifically asking for more explanation on?
[–]oron17 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
How can I work more on my non verbal communication?
[–]Moderatorrecyclablebanthas 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Richard La Ruina gets into non-verbal communication quite a bit in his talk on night game.
But something to keep in mind is that it's a conversation, albeit, without words.
[–]oron17 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Don't really trust Richard, do you have a more infield street kind of guy?
[–]recyclablebanthas1 point 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Don't really trust Richard....
Based on what, exactly?
You're in the position of a newb, so I'm just curious as to why you think you should dismiss him out of hand.
Plus, you ASKED for non-verbal communication in the context of clubs, and there is really no one else who's done a specific video on this. A street in-field won't help with what you posted about.
In any case, what he says is solid. You can waste your time complicating this by looking for a unicorn coach, but the advice you're asking for is right in that video.
[–]judahman8 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well I'm saying not to just come from behind and start grinding on a girl. The girl is usually aware of who it is that is coming up from behind in one way or another.
[–]mutually_awkward 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I rarely go clubbing — I don’t like rap music and prefer to go to things like punk shows. But the few times a year I do find myself at a club or dance party, there is always grinding. Learn to be a good at dancing and most of the time, they will assume the position. If they don’t but the vibe is right, I sometimes just spin them around during the dance.
[–]TheManWithThreePlans 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
I see people do it a lot, but it's not a hard pull usually.
If I wanted to grind, I'd usually catch her eyes, motion her over then motion for her to turn around.
Works sometimes, sometimes they get offended. But eh. I feel like it worked more than it didn't.
[–]DarkArtsPUA11 8 years ago [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link
eh. there's no point. you're at the club to get laid, aren't you? grinding is nice, but so what? it's kind of lame. i want to fuck girls not just dry hump them. i think you should change your goals
[–]oron17 -2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
After grinding with the girl that's the easy part
[–]DarkArtsPUA11 8 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link
nope, it is no more easier than simply going up to her and opening the normal way. in fact, i can say with high certainty that opening a girl on the dance floor by grinding is definitely a lower success rate compared to opening when she is off to the side in a quieter area. why would you voluntarily open girls in low success rate situations? i do not understand this
[–]oron17 -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Cuz it cuts to the chase. Let's walk with you: so you talk with some girls outside high rate of rejection because it is pretty weird where I'm from and then what? Take her phone? Making out is not something I see as that probable in that way even.
sorry i can't understand you due to spelling but i'll try to answer your question:
the point isn't to grind or make out with girls in the club. it seems that you're focusing too much on getting some sort of physical action in the club, that's not the goal. i do a lot of online but from what i've heard about 80% of your night game lays will come from day 2s. so you approach the girl in an area where you can talk to her, she sizes you up and gets attracted, then you start working logistics. if the logistics are shitty then you get the number and seed a day 2. if you're in the top 20% of looks then she'll text you back and meet with you, that's when you can pull/close
same night lays happen but day 2s are more prevalent. therefore your goal should be talking to as many hot girls as you can and collecting as many leads as you can. then hitting them up later
[–]yellowidiot314 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
fails like 75% of the time. not really worth the effort
[–]Tyler77i 8 years ago* [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link
Definitely don't do this to random girls.. Do this to girls who you KNOW are ok with this
Honestly man if you don't know what you are talking about just don't reply.
How could you KNOW which girls are okay with this if it's a club and you don't KNOW anyone?
And if you already have girls that you KNOW are okay with this it wouldn't be a fucking problem.
[–]Tyler77i 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
What? How on earth do you so quickly assume I have no idea what I'm talking about lol. I've been at clubs where my girlfriend is grinding on me, I go get drinks and then guys will forcibly grab my girlfriend.
Maybe don't go grab any girl at a club. Believe it or not, kinda rapey.
If you don't know the person, don't make assumptions on what they know.
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