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[–]Fudo_Shin 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Why not both? You can focus on getting a better life and approach girls. Just dont be needy, thats probably the biggest attraction killer. If you workout in a gym you can approach girls there, be genuinely interested in them.
Just take one small step at a time. Cold approaching is hard when you dont have much experience, maybe its better to start going somewhere where meeting new people is nothing unusual, like the gym, a dancing class or something.
If you can talk to guys you can also talk to girls, you are probably just thinking to much... When you talk to a guy you dont care if he will like you, use the same principle when talking to a girl
[–]ethical_pa 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I would not approach girls in the gym in this case. He needs a separate environment where he can experiment and allow himself to be adventurous and possibly fail. If he gets one hard rejection, it could mess with him and that may affect his motivation to go to the gym.
[–]timetochange465 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Building an attractive lifestyle takes time and in the time, where I'm in the progress of bettering it or even fail at bettering it (not that easy), I won't have any no social proof.
So I'm just prone to fail with women (I guess... if Mark Manson is right).
That's why I'm asking if it's even worth.
[–]rg3mfer 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Why not? Millions of people get laid without ever hearing of game, just the fact that yiu know about it and approach a girl is an advantage, most guys don't approach ever. Start approaching women, and improve your life at the same time!
[–]timetochange465 -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Building an attractive lifestyle takes time and in the time, where I'm in the progress of bettering it or even fail at bettering it (not that easy), I won't have any social proof.
So I'm just prone to fail with women (if Mark Manson is right).
That's why I'm asking, if it's even worth.
[–]rg3mfer 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
You need to come off as someone with social proof, you don't actually have to have a great job or life, either way, game works, but it's not like you can't get girls without game
[–]timetochange465 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
So I just fake it and pretend I'm totally content with life and that's it's totally awesome?
That people have success without having the knowledge og game is certainly true. The goal is to become natural like the people, who don't know about it.
[–]rg3mfer 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I'm saying learn game, don't live your life based on game. So you don't have much social proof rn, that means you don't deserve a girl?
[–]timetochange465 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, I thought that's the norm for dating. No social proof = no girl
[–]rg3mfer 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Social proof certainly helps, I'm just saying give yourself a shot
Ok, I'll try it.
[–]galactic_fury 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The sidebar has a link on learning pickup. I will leave the last paragraph here:
You can’t find time. You don’t drink (you don’t have to, btw). You don’t like clubs. You’re too ugly to ever love. Whatever. I’m not going to argue with you. You’re absolutely right. Enjoy never getting laid.
[–]DocDaygame 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Don't think too much in years. Set short time goals. This way you often will have a bit success and small lifts.
[–]timetochange465 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Ok good tip. Then there's at least something I can be proud of.
The thing is, for having an attractive life it probably takes years, if you count in travel experience or finding the right hobby
[–]DocDaygame 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Exactly. And when you start approaching it's the same: your goal should be to approach x women and not to get x numbers. This way there can't be disappointment.
[–]NunoHimself 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Should you make an effort to get laid and get laid after some months or should you work on your life while jerking off in the shower? You choose. You're not an hardcase btw.
[–]timetochange465 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Good comparison. But easier said than done. Do you really think a guy can get laid without having a solid social group or interesting hobbies? Becuase these things are a standard for every "normal person".
How do you know I'm not a hard case?
[–]NunoHimself 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Hardcases have autism (can't understand social cues) or depression or dellusions or etc (or a combination of those). You seem like a pretty normal guy.
Owen Cook (aka Tyler Durden aka RSDTyler) had a bad childhood. Autistic, poor, didn't have friends and people made fun of him. Today, he's the founder of Real Social Dynamics, the leading dating/seltdevelopment company in the world and probably has the best game ever. If he can, you can. The difference between you and him is that he actually wanted to get better at this shit. He didn't made posts on Reddit asking if he should do this, hw took action. People told him that he needed to get a good life, just like you think. At 21, he had a college degree, a brand new car, watch and house that he bought. That didn't get him laid. So he discovered game and took action on it. He got out of the house saying "hi" to people and trying to recognize what the facial expressions and shit meant (nevermind trying to game girls). After he got that down, he tried to pull. First 4s, then 5s, then 6s, then 7s, then 8s, then 9s, then 10s. Made his company and started dating the hottest fucking girl that he has ever seen. Has 2 kids. Has a fucking mansion and an 8 figure business. If he spent time on Reddit "Guys... should I get laid? I think I need a cool life to pull chicks. Should I do this? Should I take action?", he wouldn't have shit. If you really think that a cool life is gonna get you laid, than don't ask, go test it.
Dude, I'm a 23yo virgin with almost no friends. Let's just say I'm not too content with my life... (depressed)
Yeah, I know Tyler. His videos are really inspiring. The thing is he was not just some autistic kid. He was the autistic kid, who did the unbelievable. He's probably the only one in the world that's capable of doing a achange this big. He's super intelligent.
But it's okay. I will keep on taking action. If I don't do anything nothing will ever happen.
[–]NunoHimself 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
As far as I know, he doesn't have anything special. He's intelligent, because he studies. He's Jesus Christ or some shit, he isn't son of God, he simply wants something and he goes all out to have it.
[–]Alextryingforgrate 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
One thing i do is small talk cashiers when i buy something at a store, coffee shop, corner store etc. Just a hey how is your day going. Nothing more than that. Smile at her no matter how not your type she is. The smile will get you going, at least it does for me. You might as well work on making some part of your life better might as well be social skills those will help you a ton later in life anyways.
I will try that. Theses are some little goals I can achieve throughout the day.
[–]Jacked2TheTits 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Women provide an immediate feedback about your growth, confidence and inner self worth. I can travel to a new city, hell, a new country and still have decent interactions with women. It has nothing to do with your friends, hobbies and other bullshit that you are saying here. Granted that all helps, but it is NOT necessary if you are comfortable with who you are. You should definitely be approaching everyone, not just women... it sounds like your problem is that you are not comfortable letting people know who you are and your personality (why you have no close friends). You are probably a people pleaser and that is NOT a good thing.
When you have an attractive lifestyle, it helps you in meeting and keeping high caliber girls, but you should be doing that as a byproduct of the life you are living and want to live, not for the women.
Thank you for your answer.
I'm indeed closed up and not proud of who I am. It probably comes all down how I present myself and how I'm comfortable with myself.
I will keep that in mind.
[–]Throwaway3543g591 point 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
You gotta start somewhere, It really depends on the setting, I would start with small talk, try to come up with a good excuse to break the ice, then work from there. Pay attention to her eye contact, body, they will help you gauge her interest. If she isn’t interest just move on. Or if you want you can become friends with her.
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