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The Dirty Secret Behind Boot Camp “Number Close” Demonstrations

AaronSleazy

April 1, 2012

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http://aaronsleazy.blogspot.com/2012/04/dirty-secret-behind-boot-camp-number.html

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Title	The Dirty Secret Behind Boot Camp “Number Close” Demonstrations
Author	AaronSleazy
Upvotes	9
Comments	17
Date	April 1, 2012 5:36 PM UTC (14 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/seduction
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/ro6l6/the_dirty_secret_behind_boot_camp_number_close/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/seduction/the-dirty-secret-behind-boot-camp-number-close.1330722 https://theredarchive.com/post/1330722

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[–]Delightful_White 8 points9 points10 points 14 years ago* (10 children) | Copy Link

[+]AaronSleazy[S] -6 points-5 points-4 points 14 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

[–]Delightful_White 5 points6 points7 points 14 years ago* (8 children) | Copy Link

[+]AaronSleazy[S] -6 points-5 points-4 points 14 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

[–]Delightful_White 8 points9 points10 points 14 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link

Neither do I use "PUA fear mongering"

ORLY? Taken directly from your link:

The Dirty Secret Behind Boot Camp “Number Close” Demonstrations

Sounds juicy. I'm listening...

I did play with the idea of adding some material to Debunking the Seduction Community but not only have I for the most part moved on from bashing this industry.

So this was an ongoing flame war against the community? This must really be bad. Oh cool, a book about game is linked, authored by you [EDIT: The original link from this quote relinked to Aaron Sleazy's PAY book "Minimal Game". He has since changed it]. I'll keep reading...

I am also quite intimidated by the enormous amount of material I have on various people in this business

Shit, so everybody is in on this scam except you? Thank god I found this link. I should read futher.

In fact, I really had to restrain myself from not spilling the beans on some people.

Good thing you didn't. Because if you did, it sounds like some serious shit might go down. Better hire some muscle to protect you.

It is a “business secret” of one of the many #1 PUAs / dating "gurus" in the world.

Your "use" of quotation marks really puts the "point" across that "everybody" is being "scammed", but you know better than that.

Our internationally renowned dating guru PUAZiph needs some money. He always needs money

Who doesn't always need money? I could certainly use some more. You have books for sale too, sounds like you "need money". Now tell me more how this "PUA" is "broke" and always "needs money", so he sets up a "scam" where he "fakes" getting girls "numbers"

Because he himself can’t demonstrate all that much, as he doesn’t want to piss off his wife, he enlists some “assistant coaches” from a local lair. He’ll just tell the boot camp students that he’s trained them. It’s also a neat way for him to make more money since those guys are more than happy to “help out” such an esteemed person as PUAZiph free of charge.

Wow. Mind blown. You have really have it all figured out. Shut up and take my money. http://www.aaronsleazy.com/cms/aaron-sleazy-minimal-game (ORIGINAL LINK TO "DEBUNKING THE SEDUCTION COMMUNITY" BEFORE IT WAS CHANGED)

I could keep going if you want. That's only the first two paragraphs.

You can sell your books without scaring people by telling them their being "scammed" by everybody. Your "scam" isn't much better.

[+]AaronSleazy[S] -6 points-5 points-4 points 14 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

I hope someone pays you for your defending this industry. I say: Look, here's how some PUAs trick you into believing they got a solid phone number. If you actually talked to people in this industry, and some of those who left it, you'll find many examples of shady techniques. Ever heard of people staging their videos? Oh, no, nobody does that! Sure.

Or what about some company planting hookers in the environment, ensuring that their clients get laid.

Sorry, you are barking up the wrong tree. Deal with the actual content of the post and keep your straw man arguments for yourself. In fact, you refuse to do so and hope that yet another ad hominem wil convince the reader.

However, people are finally waking up to the scam. For instance, PUAHate.com nowadays has more web traffic than LoveSystems, and guess who of those entities spends zero money on advertising.

Feel free to reply, but please stay on topic. As I said before: I describe ONE technique people in this field use to trick unsuspecting customers. What do you do to "rebuke" me? Set up one straw man after another. Some are so blatantly obvious that they insult everyone with an IQ over 80.

About my "pay book": The text was always "Debunking the Seduction Community", which is the title of my free ebook. That there was a link to Minimal Game was obviously a slip, and one I quickly corrected.

[–]Delightful_White 6 points7 points8 points 14 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I hope someone pays you for your defending this industry.

Haha, good marketing mindset you have there. Any way I can make a quick buck, right?

It's funny you mention PUA Hate. Here's a good PUA Hate link on you that I just googled.

Turns out you were a moderator there and deleted threads of people criticizing you. I don't know for sure, I was never involved with PUA Hate, but you mentioned them, not me.

Other notable quotes from PUA Hate members:

Sleazy's part of the newest breed of internet marketers, who attempt to sell seduction advice by slamming PUAs and the community. Its a last ditch effort to grab a few customers who are dissatisfied with PUA and on the verge of leaving the community, by pacing their experience and positioning your advice as the solution.

Funny how he feels the same way I do. I've never even been to this site before.

I've always thought there is something a bit off about Sleazy and have done ever since I saw him spamming the LSS with "Lay reports". Also the whole losing his virginity aged 26 and within a few years graduate to bathroom lays in nightclubs just sounds completely unrealistic. To his credit most of the advice he put out in that free "expose" on the community was fairly common sense and solid. but the community is full of guys who don't really get anywhere with women but disseminate information that seems legit.

Here's a (the only) positive review, so I'm not being biased:

He seems legit to me. I read debunking the seduction community and agreed with all the points he made against puas. Sleazy's advice is common sense: dress well, go places where horny girls go etc. I haven't read anything he has written that seemed like voo doo.

Seems like top notch advice... How much is your book?

Guys, I have proof that he only wants to make fast easy-earned money with the community. To me he is NOT legit because of this. Maybe his products are good, didn't read it, but I heard they are really shitty.

Haha, that last one sounds like you.

[+]AaronSleazy[S] -6 points-5 points-4 points 14 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

[–]Delightful_White 8 points9 points10 points 14 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

So, you now quote random stuff off the Internet.

Not random. You brought up PUA hate as a valid source, now you're taking it back?

you are attempting some kind of smear campaign instead of conducting a proper argument.

Haha did you really just say that? Go back and read your blog post and think about who is doing the smearing.

Do you happen to be an intern at RSD or Lovesystems?

Haha no, I'm a 27 year old with a girlfriend and a full time job. But now you finally "spilled the beans" on who you have a beef with in this community.

What is so difficult about assessing the main statement in the blog post, namely the "fake number close"?

I'm not arguing your point dude. Ok, some people have scams set up. Everybody knows that. I haven't taken any bootcamps myself. However, I've known people who have taken RSD Bootcamps and loved it, and there have been countless Sedditors who have also taken them and posted positive reviews. Not because they watched a "guru" get a "number", but because they saw personal improvement. That's what they're paying for, not to watch some guy punch numbers in his phone. The instructors don't "get a number" and then take your money and leave. They assist you for a few days and push your personal limits until you see success.

Sure, there are a few who are left dissatisfied, but who has 100% satisfaction rate? Do you?

And again, I'm not arguing your point. I'm arguing that you're a sleazy salesman, that's all, just like the rest of the people you bash.

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