The most important factors nobody talks about

appmanga · 2021-07-16T02:43:21+00:00

Relationships are one thing; gaming is another. I didn't think this was the sub where guys who want relationships are coming.

The most important factor is trust. I get pushback on this at times, but that's because those folks are doing something too many people constantly do: applying their interpretation of what's in front of them instead of actually taking in what's in front of them.

Trust does not equal "honesty".

No woman will have sex with you if she doesn't trust you. You can beg, you can neg, you can model, you can alpha, and it won't mean dick if she doesn't believe you are someone she can trust.

Papa_Musk · 2021-07-16T00:00:09+00:00

This post is a walking contradiction.

"It's not game, it's conversation skills."

But part of game is conversation skills. Ability to deflect rejections/tests, connect emotionally etc.

"It's not being alpha, it's being physically attractive."

So working out and having muscles must be for beta males?

"It's not game it's being able to connect emotionally."

What?

You think you read one book and know what you are talking about, you don't, stop posting and start reading.

J33P88 · 2021-07-15T23:34:26+00:00

Can I add "values" to your list? When I was looking, that was the most important thing to me. And this is probably more of a niche thing, but I've personally always been more drawn to older men (yea probably the daddy issues thing). My husband is 15 years older than I am. I hate to sound cliché but I found guys close to my age to be too immature and as a woman I was looking for security. I was 24 when we met. I liked all your points though.

2021-07-16T18:12:17+00:00

I’d have to disagree with these points, even from a relationship standpoint. All three factors you stated a lot of guys in the friend zone have. That’s actually part of why they are in the friend zone; they’re relatable but not arousing.

Seduction ultimately is about inspiring arousal. Even in a relationship you want to continue to inspire arousal lest things become stale and now you have to “spice things up”

The most important factors people don’t talk about in my opinion is respect and trust which play off one another. Respect is garnered through having principles you live your life by; having a code of ethics and a well defined worldview and understanding you place in that worldview. This is essentially what frame is. From respect comes trust. Because you have values and principles that guide your life I know I can trust you to not be easily swayed by your environment or emotions. I can look to you for strength and support. And I can trust there’s certain things you won’t do. This is where she can feel safe and comfortable around you. And this reenforces the respect factor. I believe that a woman can never be aroused by or love someone she doesn’t respect. I’ve seen a loss of respect destroy relationships.

I’ll also say that most of the REALLY attractive girls I know are with men at least 5 years older than them. This girl I use to talk to in college is married to a guy 8 years older than her. I know a lot of girls that prefer older guys, as well. The main reason is maturity. If a guy is older but not necessarily more mature then she rather be with someone her age.

root_kl · 2021-07-16T18:17:52+00:00

Mark Manson doesn't talk about being alpha, or abundance. Mark Manson's book is the best, reality based, book about seduction. He is one of few people who doesn't say bullshit about seduction.

Ps. I share your factors list

bynumite75 · 2021-07-17T02:11:42+00:00

Game = being able to escalate, build sexual rapport, vibe, and trust between you and woman to create arousal and essentially get you laid

Basic conversation skills = help establish baseline platonic connections between human beings; can help you make friends and maybe a relationship if you get lucky

Creating sexual vibe and rapport is what gets you laid which is perfected through game. Basic conversational connection helps, but by itself won’t create arousal in a girls mind to actually want to sleep with you. This is why several guys land themselves in the friend zone.

jimbimbob · 2021-07-16T20:17:50+00:00

I literally disagree on all points... I've seen ugly dudes with hot women, very smart/educated people with very dumb people and I know tons of parent couples who have 12+ years difference

rathero3 · 2021-07-16T05:06:19+00:00

Dude you just dwindled the hope for all the average or below average guys.

So at the end of the day its just looks? So I will just have to accept dating girls that are uglier than me?

Wavvey_ · 2021-07-16T06:19:35+00:00

None of that shit matters if she doesn’t feel safe with you simple

chethelesser · 2021-07-16T06:31:52+00:00

Nah man, you're trippin.

highwayghoul · 2021-07-16T19:34:14+00:00

“Successful” can mean more than one thing. Think of all the reasons you might go on a date; to find a life partner, to have a one night stand, to have fun, to get to know someone, to eventually get married….

Title	The most important factors nobody talks about
Author	Mq200
Upvotes	12
Comments	21
Date	July 15, 2021 10:52 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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