Feminism Hurts Women Too

Maschalismos · 2014-06-20T02:16:23+00:00

I love this woman. Like, a lot. Is she married, perchance?

DavidByron2 · 2014-06-19T16:53:26+00:00

Obviously feminism hurts women. Like the KKK hurt white people if they happened to know or be close to black victims of the Klan. Which for most White people was not the case, but women all have men who are close to them. Husbands, brothers, sons, fathers all hurt by feminism.

It used to be that one of the biggest supporters of men's rights were what they used to call the Second Wives Club ie women who's financial stability was directly negatively effected by feminist laws about child support and alimony.

It's not unusual, this aspect of feminism as a competition between different groups of women. For the most part women get whatever they ask for from out government and society and the competition was never men vs women but one group of women vs another.

Even back in the day on things like equal pay (in the 19th century when it actually happened because laws were passed prohibiting women entering some jobs like a closed shop approach) it was women vs women. It was the wives of the working men who didn't want single unmarried women taking the husbands jobs and so taking away from their money through competition lowering wages. Women vs other women.

On the vote it was women vs women. Until a majority of women stopped opposing the vote nothing happened.

Prostitution is another issue seen as the interests of one group of women over another (even feminists are divided on it in this case).

The campaign for the ERA failed because conservative women opposed it, not on the grounds of equality, but because they saw it as an attack on their privileges whereas feminists said it wasn't.

These attacks on men accused of rape in colleges will come down to women vs women too. The mothers of the young men who's lives are ruined vs the feminists.

Sexism is unlike racism because there is not a different subculture of men and women. Men and women live together in the same houses, the same families. Whenever you attack men you attack women and vice versa, especially economically. As a result much of the history of the feminist movement has been deciding which group of women will be heard over the other.

What men wanted, if it even existed as a thing, just didn't matter.

Supercrushhh · 2014-06-19T00:11:58+00:00

That's like saying activism for men's rights hurts men.

The feminism that I know and wholeheartedly believe in benefits both men and women. I can see there is a lot of work to be done to redeem the words, terms and ideology of feminism. I truly hope that this sub and any men who think feminism = man-hating will come to understand and accept true feminism alongside their own MRM.

THE ONLY WAY TO DO THIS is by opening an honest dialogue between both sexes.

Edit: I guess this has come across as propaganda to trick you all into putting down your torches and pitchforks in regards to feminism. Well, it wasn't. I'm not a radical feminist. Just the regular kind. So don't worry, I'm not dangerous.

Edit 2: What if I told you... that I'm a 22-year-old woman who is new to both feminism and MRs, and as such I'm pretty much a blank canvas, with only my experiences and an open-mind to affect my views. As such, this is how I see it.

Feminism = an ideology that women should have equal rights to men (thus, women and men should have equal rights, which does not mean men should have LESS rights).

Radical feminism = crazy women who think men are driven by their sexual desire, who will rape at a whim, who have no control over their dicks, who shouldn't be able to have custody over their children, who crash peaceful MRs meetings at Toronto universities, who spout immature ignorant crap on tumblr and twitter.

MRs = movement that sprung up in opposition to feminism, that deals with very real issues like child custody, unfair divorce settlements, the overwhelming male prison population, male suicide, male violence, the way the male gender is perceived by society today, but that also views feminism, seemingly, only on the actions of radical feminists.

So, where am I wrong so far? Oh, do tell.

Title	Feminism Hurts Women Too
Author	Imdefender
Upvotes	16
Comments	44
Date	June 18, 2014 11:57 PM UTC (12 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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