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Alimony bill dies amid acrimony

eaton80

April 30, 2015
34 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article19909116.html
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Title Alimony bill dies amid acrimony
Author

eaton80

Upvotes 34
Comments 17
Date April 30, 2015 4:28 PM UTC
(11 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/34ezwu/alimony_bill_dies_amid_acrimony/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/alimony-bill-dies-amid-acrimony.981463
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Comments

[–]my_name_is_gato 16 points17 points18 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Judge, I have become accustomed to a certain level of sexual activity during the marriage. Since I must maintain my ex wife's financial lifestyle, she should be required to ensure my post divorce sexual activities do not unreasonably decline."

[–]v8beetle 9 points10 points11 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Sounds like we should be supporting Mr. Lee and digging into the political ties of those who opposed the shared provision measure to expose them.

[–]blueoak9 8 points9 points10 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That would be a very good start.

I noticed the Bar Association in Florida got in the way of this, probably out of self interest. That should be turned into a political liability for those trying to stop this change.

[–]v8beetle 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, they did the same in North Dakota as well. Also, DV/IPV advocate groups were also involved as were feminist groups. As I've said numerous times even the "professionals" the researchers can't get on the same page as evidenced by the 40 year DV debate. Until that is resolved as well as penalties for things like lying about abuse in divorce courts, I don't see a lot of movement on this or Alimony reform because feminists will oppose it and their political clout is vast to say the least.

[–]bsutansalt 17 points18 points19 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

which would have established a formula for alimony amounts based on the length of marriages and the amounts of money spouses earn.

How about zero alimony and acknowledging it's the 21st century and if a former spouse needs income they can get their own god damn job!

[–]Macismyname 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, splitting things after a marriage is fair. It's often mucked up, but it makes sense. Alimony is blatenty unfair.

[–]eaton80[S] 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Part of the problem is both the FL Alimony Reform activitsts as well as the legislators voting on the bill are still heavily Baby Boomers. As they were born into and grew up in a world with traditional gender roles (think Mad Men) they can't even imagine a world without alimony.

[–]AvgGuy101 8 points9 points10 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I was afraid that something like this would happen. IMHO, it is a mistake to lump two important issues like alimony reform and child custody together in the same bill. I believe it makes it harder to get bills like this passed.

[–]yelirbear 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Thats sad news.

[–]8088XT8BIT 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, it certainly is

[–]8088XT8BIT 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm a supporter of no alimony - period. I can't say I'm surprised with the decision.

I read someplace that there is alimony hidden in large and / or unfair amounts of child support payments. If I can find the link, I'll edit this post and add it.

http://www.fathermag.com/906/alimony/

[–]v8beetle 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd be interested in seeing that calculation.

[–]GenderNeutralLanguag 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I have to say I'm glad this bill got squashed. It wasn't one bill, but two. While I do like both the bills compressed into this one bill, it should be two seperate bills. We need to have alimony reform. We also need 50/50 shared custody. Tacking custody onto an alimony bill or alimony reform onto a custody bill makes it a very bad law to pass.

[–]yoshi_win 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If you like both halves, why is it bad to pass them together? I know it might be harder to do it this way but why is it undesirable?

[–]GenderNeutralLanguag 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I forget the official term, but this hijacking of bills to be more than one bill is a common practice. It makes it possible to push through some really fucked up bills. "I Oppose the Puppy dogs are cute act because raw hamster should not be considered a vegetable in school lunches"

Lead with actions. So while I support both bills they tried to pass as one, I support the failure because it should be two bills, not one. I don't get different rules for the bills I do like and the bills I don't like.

[–]andejoh 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't know that the alimony part is a loss. Women are closing the "wage gap". There are more SAHDs than there used to be. We know women are less willing to have a SAHD than men are a house wife.

Many times laws come back to bite you in the ass. In Illinois about 20 years ago I started hearing people suggest merit selection of judges rather than an elective system. What changed in 140 or so years? Demographics, areas of the state were no longer majority white.

The shared parenting thing is a tragedy because there is a bias toward women. Alimony, not so much.

[–]dangerousopinions 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

which would have established a formula for alimony amounts based on the length of marriages and the amounts of money spouses earn.

How is it calculated right now?

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