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Boy attempts suicide after being sexually abused and "used" (in his own words) by his teacher. General consensus: he's lucky, he's a pussy for 'snitching', and it's still a victimless crime

HeForeverBleeds

July 2, 2017
156 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/06/30/married-teacher-in-maines-affair-with-her-17-year-old-student-only-revealed-after-his-suicide-attempt.html
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Title Boy attempts suicide after being sexually abused and "used" (in his own words) by his teacher. General consensus: he's lucky, he's a pussy for 'snitching', and it's still a victimless crime
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HeForeverBleeds

Upvotes 156
Comments 29
Date July 2, 2017 1:52 AM UTC
(9 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/6kqujv/boy_attempts_suicide_after_being_sexually_abused/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/boy-attempts-suicide-after-being-sexually-abused.919058
https://theredarchive.com/post/919058
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Comments

[–]RapeMatters 46 points47 points48 points 9 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

The comments are super depressing on this.

People literally cheering for the boy who tried to commit suicide. You know how I always say there's an empathy gap for men and boys? This is it.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points19 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

There can't be an empathy gap when men and boys get no empathy.

[–]LoicyT 12 points13 points14 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Yes there can. The gap between 0 and 100 is 100.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

r/theydidthemath

[–]I_Hate_Monster_Math 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

/r/dontfuckingsayit

[–]I_Reaally_Like_MM 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

/r/TheyDidTheMonsterMath

[–]I_Hate_Monster_Math 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

DID I STUTTER

[–]I_Reaally_Like_MM 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

/r/ItWasAGraveyardGraph

[–]I_Hate_Monster_Math 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'LL PUT YOU IN A GRAVEYARD

[–]HeForeverBleeds[S] 12 points13 points14 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I've always thought people's marginalization of female-on-male sexual violence was a mix between ignorance (people genuinely believing it's harmless, e.g. that boys are actually always okay afterwards) and a lack of empathy, with ignorance being the primary factor

Considering how the responses to cases where there's no information about how it affected the victim and the responses to cases where the victim was evidently traumatized by it are no different (e.g. that he's lucky, that there's no victim, that men/boys are never negatively affected by being raped by women, that he shouldn't complain), I'm recognizing that lack of empathy is probably a bigger factor than simply not being aware of the possibility or effects of female-perpetrated sexual violence

Male suicide is already a huge issue, and it's unfortunate that in this case it could be really difficult for him to get the support and therapy he needs in a society that already is fairly ignorant about men's mental health and is especially not concerned about how to deal with men and boy in situations like these

[–]feedmecarrots 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It was only a matter of time before a boy was seriously affected by this. That people are still going to defend it by condemning him is a little rich. I hope this doesn't end up as yet another "slap on the wrist" convictions.

[–]KR_Blade 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

teacher should be arrested, thrown in prison the rest of her fucking life and anyone in the school that supported her or tried to cover any of her shit up should be fired and blacklisted from a teaching profession for life.

child molestation goes both ways, if you have sex with a child, your a child molestor and should be in prison for the rest of your life, fuck anyone that says that these kids having sex with adult women are ''lucky'' but are willing to march men that molest children right to the firing squad, both men and women should we locked up for life for having sex with kids.

[–]LoicyT 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She has only been accused. Why are you advocating jail when no proof is provided?

A 17 year old isn't a kid in my eyes. I don't think we should jail adults for consensual sex with them.

You shouldn't date students you personakky teach though. If he was ever in any of her classes she should be fired and lose her license.

[–]magnetard 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It doesn't say she's been charged yet, unless I missed it while skimming the article. I'm all for rapists being dealt with justly, but I feel it's important that we do our best to maintain a mindset of "innocent until proven guilty" for all rape accusations, not just the accusations against men.

Let me just say though that I don't think it's okay that the poor kid tried to kill himself, and that I feel it is a pretty compelling point for his case.

[–]LoicyT 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't think suicide attemots should be considered evidence of guilt. If they were then people could fake them to try and secure convictions.

It explicitlynsays she HASN'T been charged...

Hawes also said the district would consider firing Lamontagne if she is charged.

Lamontagne has not been criminally charged in this case. She remains on administrative leave while the school district investigates the claims against her.

I find it worrying it is okay to release names like this when charges haven't even been pressed. It is damaging enough for Jill, and even more damaging when it happens to men.

I have decided to down vote this thread because it has a misleading title. There is no verification that the teach used him, just an accusation.

LISTEN AND QUESTION

[–]MRA-automatron-2kb 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a betrayal of the boy's trust.

She is the adult and the teacher.

[–]kevinsan 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nice...

[–]hatefulreason 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

article is too ambiguous

[–]freedomaboveelse 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

like who cares, he could've reported that teacher, but no,he had to be a pussy. should've been successful at suicide.

  • that teacher deserves a peace of mine, and should be left alone.

[–]BernieSandersgirl101 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Poor thing. The teacher should get beaten up or something.

[–]LoicyT -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Jill Lamontagne should be considered innocent until proven guilty.

While I applaud the equality of releasing the name of the accused, I don't think names of accused should be released without releasing names of alleged victims too.

Jill's life won't be as disrupted by the release of her name as a man's would be though, so my empathy is limited.

A boy could feel "used" by a relationship with a 16 year old girl too. Someone feeling unappreciated doesn't necessarily mean that their partner did anything wrong.

Think of all the self centred women who wrongly stereotype men "he's just using is for sex" when the man actually values her for things besides that.

I keep this in mind when the genders are swapped. Holding an opinion of a sex partner's motives doesn't mean it is accurate.

If Jill actually did have sex with him, she should lose her teaching license, but I am not one to call all unlawful sex "rape" and would not want to prosecute her for it unless there was evidence she raped him.

Regardless of how he felt, it sounds like he voluntarily kept coming back for more because he loved her.

Sometimes you love someone and they don't love you back. It happens. If we tolerate teenagers risking this heartbreak with each other I don't see why we should forbid this for post-teens.

I dont think heartbreak is lucky. I don't think it is wrong to report a teacher crossing student boundaries. But I do question if he is her victim or whether he self victimized by getting his hopes up she would fall in love with him.

[–]Taxus_Calyx 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You are the embodiment of the empathy gap.

[–]LoicyT 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nope. I hold this empathy toward male accused too.

[–]rg57 -5 points-4 points-3 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

The 17-year-old "wanted to continue the relationship".

Of course, we're given almost nothing to go on, but it seems like she was going to dump him.

It's a bad relationship, not a crime.

[–]RapeMatters 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Actually, it's very specifically a crime under Maine law.

[–]LoicyT 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

True enough but it ought not to be. Its circumstantial that some States have 17 or 18 instead of 16.

[–]Taxus_Calyx 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Riiiight, "Lets make it legal for male high school teachers to fuck their female students, as long as the girls are 16 and they're into it. It'll be great!"

That would be stupid and wrong, just like what this female teacher did. Prison.

[–]LoicyT 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I didn't say it would be great. I just think job loss is enough of a fix.

[–]RapeMatters 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Maine is 16, except for a person with authority over the victim - such as a teacher.

Edit: which, incidentally, I believe is true in all states that its rape for teachers to have sex with their minor students.

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