Feminists tout new report that supposedly shows (but really doesn't) that hardly any women lie about rape

Godspiral · 2010-12-13T18:24:35+00:00

Kanin and other studies have found proven false rape claims are 41%-60%.

This article doesn't explain the best reason for why this study is wrong: You only find out lying cunts are lying when you interrogate them persistently and aggressively.

Its much like a study finding out how many homes have roaches. If you want to not find any, you walk into the kitchen don't notice any and leave. If you empty the kitchen until you either find some or don't find some, then your study methodology is necessarily more accurate. You looked very hard. You investigated.

That's really the simple reason that only the studies with aggressive methodology should be believed as to the incidence of false rape claims.

tomek77 · 2010-12-13T15:20:58+00:00

We have already seen sthg similar on another feminist blog, my answer is still the same: considering the absolutely over-the-top criteria used to count an accusation as false, finding a 6% rate of false accusations only shows how incredibly high the real figure has to be.

Here are the criteria to count an accusation as false:

"The determination that a report of sexual assault is false can be made only if the evidence establishes that no crime was committed or attempted. This determination can be made only after a thorough investigation. This should not be confused with an investigation that fails to prove a sexual assault occurred. In that case the investigation would be labeled unsubstantiated. The determination that a report is false must be supported by evidence that the assault did not happen."

Notice how the standard of evidence is ridiculously different when they count rape cases vs false rape cases (when counting rape statistics, an allegation is enough, and feminist "researchers" don't hesitate to use fuzzy math to extrapolate to sky-high numbers using dubious methodologies).

As I said, finding nearly 6% of false accusations with such a ridiculously high burden of proof (that surely misses the vast majority of false rape cases), is only an indication of how widespread false rape accusation really are!

fondueguy · 2010-12-13T17:14:05+00:00

False reports sometimes happen. False reports are a single-digit percentage of the total reports . . . .

That statement is entirely wrong. He should have said proven false reports from the review of reports based on his criterion.

2010-12-13T19:27:09+00:00

IMO there should be a penalty on false rape accusations. At least 1 year in prison. Because what that person is trying to do is put another person in prison for many years, and generally destroying the rest of that person's life.

In fact I'd rather be successfully raped than successfully accused of rape and put in jail and when I come out after many years have my life be miserable for the rest of it.

Quazz · 2010-12-13T21:11:41+00:00

Look at the percentage of cases that aren't brought to court... You can't honestly tell me that there is no false claim in there.

Other than that, there are also A LOT of innocent men who got prosecuted for rape and sent to jail...

truthiness79 · 2010-12-13T17:03:54+00:00

i remember a retired new york da said the number of false rape accusation while she was in charge was actually just shy of 40%. if feminists are saying its 6%, then im inclined to believe its over 4 times that much for the country, and even then, 25% seems low. what a world we live in where once esteemed political movement pushing for equality now skew crime statistics.

2010-12-14T00:44:57+00:00

Well now I'm curious what rate of allegations of rape result in convictions.

ShakeyBobWillis · 2010-12-14T17:53:29+00:00

Technically that's true, though maybe not by the same line of logic as they're implying. Almost all women don't lie about rape because almost all women never make a rape accusation.

pcarvious · 2010-12-13T16:44:05+00:00

I actually like this method of analysis for false rape and here's why. Rather than looking at whether the case said guilty or not guilty it looked at the evidence. Meaning that Unsubstantiated could include real rapes as well as false ones. It removes the systematic bias or at least attempts to account for it.

BolshevikMuppet · 2010-12-13T17:33:21+00:00

The question, of course, is whether a rape accusation is "false" if it cannot be substantiated, or if it is "false" only if it is proven to be untrue. We're using two different standards, and thus coming to two different conclusions.

Those who want to downplay the prevalence of false rape will, of course, want to use the latter standard. Their argument is that the question of falseness is whether the victim legitimately believes it, and comes forward in good faith, whether it can be substantiated and proved or not. To include cases where the police were unable to prove a rape inflates the numbers unfairly.

Those who wants to inflate the prevalence of false rape claims will use the former standard. Their logic is that if the claims cannot be substantiated, we don't know whether a rape occurred or not. The question isn't whether the woman is acting in good faith in reporting it, but whether an actual rape occurred. Falseness is a matter of fact.

I think this is one of those areas, though, where labels matter. Given the stigma and connotations of "false rape accusations" (i.e. that they're considered "lying"), we should distinguish between actual "lies", and claims which are unverified.

Let me give an example. If I sue my boss for breach of contract, and the jury decides that there was no breach, was I "lying" about the breach?

cryptogirl · 2010-12-13T18:32:26+00:00

Every reliable study I'm aware of puts the reporting rate for rape below 50%. If we're thinking about the prevalence of false rape accusations relative to actual (rather than reported) rapes, we should be cutting these numbers at least in half.

Title	Feminists tout new report that supposedly shows (but really doesn't) that hardly any women lie about rape
Author	PierceHarlan
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Date	December 13, 2010 2:37 PM UTC (15 years ago)
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