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Two more teenagers die after circumcision

ShaidarHaran2

May 12, 2022
243 upvotes
/r/MensRights
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Title Two more teenagers die after circumcision
Author

ShaidarHaran2

Upvotes 243
Comments 30
Date May 12, 2022 2:39 AM UTC
(4 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/unqppg/two_more_teenagers_die_after_circumcision/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/two-more-teenagers-die-after-circumcision.1114549
https://theredarchive.com/post/1114549
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Comments

[–]yettobekilledbydeath 67 points68 points69 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

And yet about a week ago someone here told me how much circumcision benefits men... yeah, right.

[–]disayle32 50 points51 points52 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The only people it benefits are the ones who make billions from harvesting baby boy foreskins to produce anti aging skin cream treatments for the rich and powerful.

[–]idcqweryy 29 points30 points31 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not enough people talk about that or even know about it. I was thinking of maybe spreading awareness by putting out flyers and make up isles that say WARNING! contains severed baby genitals. With a qr code Which leads to a page that lays everything out

[–]reddboy1981 17 points18 points19 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I honestly didn't believe that until I looked it up online and your right holy f**k and it's being done world wide no wonder the government's of the world are saying nothing about it big cosmetic corporations are lobbying to keep their business going

[–]Koda1214 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I could imagine the uproar and social disgust if they were collecting labias for skin creams to.

[–]jrackow 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If this was FGM there would be a social media struggle session right now.

[–]DecimatingDarkDeceit 26 points27 points28 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

There were literally commentators / agitators within this subreddit (pro mutilation fetishists) that openly proclaimed that mutilation does not killed [anyone]. They openly said that ! ...does this saddening situation be a slap to their faces ? Unfortunately not.

[–]ShaidarHaran2[S] 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Literally hundreds of deaths each year, how can they even argue that?

Oh right. Ignorance.

[–]DecimatingDarkDeceit 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

More like literal (creepy) obsession. Even fetish. Truly unsettling and disturbing accounts

[+]Electronic-Ad-2852 -6 points-5 points-4 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Can you send a source for that? Seems impossible in developed nations.

[–]Halafax 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Can you send a source for that? Seems impossible in developed nations.

Is even one death for an un-needed surgery acceptable?

[+]Electronic-Ad-2852 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Facts matter.

[–]Halafax 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Probably not to the kid who died.

[+]Electronic-Ad-2852 -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Probably not, but no one is going to take your movement seriously when you put out obviously fake or misleading numbers. You won't even defend the bogus numbers.

[–]CawlinAlcarz -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Difficult to know what actually killed these guys. Was it sepsis? Shock? Were they already grievously ill?

[–]ShaidarHaran2[S] 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This happens almost yearly, and it's usually sepsis for this teenage ritual (for babies it's usually blood loss as newborns only have about a cup, and can only lose a fraction of that, which might not look like a lot of blood to an adult)

https://thenationonlineng.net/11-teenagers-die-circumcision-south-africa/#:~:text=Eleven%20teenagers%20have%20died%20of,hotbed%20of%20circumcision%2Drelated%20deaths.

[–]CawlinAlcarz 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

How the fuck is my comment above downvoted? LOL! The article was absurdly lacking in any sort of detail, but I guess that's unimportant. The sad, cruel irony of this is that if, as I suspect, and you posit, these boys died of sepsis, the whole rationale for circumcising them in the first place is to reduce a supposed likelihood of them contracting HIV. The basis for that particular study which correlated HIV transmission with uncircumcised penises is extremely shabby science and also presents an extremely low likelihood that circumcision would actually have any effect on HIV transmission, even assuming the science behind the conclusion was good, which it wasn't.

Anyway... what a horror show this practice of mutilation continues to be, especially in places where, due to shitty sanitation, you run a tangible risk of dying from sepsis from a nicking your chin while shaving... and they want to cut the end of everyone's dicks off in those places, ESPECIALLY? GTFO.

[+]hmspain -62 points-61 points-60 points 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

People survive the loss of a limb, how can cutting off a foreskin cause death?

I suppose I can see where it was badly performed and sepsis(?) occurred, but that would take several days of neglect right?

Don't get me wrong, I think circumcision is very stupid, but dying from it?

[–]ShaidarHaran2[S] 44 points45 points46 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

In infants, it's most often blood loss, though it can also be cardiac arrest from the shock. A newborn only has about a cup of blood and they can only lose a fraction of that before succumbing, which might not look like a lot of bleeding to an unknowing adult, and so many circumcisions are done outside of a hospital setting with little to no aftercare. Why religious quacks are allowed to do it, I'll never understand.

For teenagers like this, it's more often sepsis from the cut done with unclean tools or in unclean conditions causing sepsis yeah, though deaths even in a clinical hospital setting still happen.

There's risks to it all around and it should only be done with direct medical need, not for parental preference.

[–]allmyghtt 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Or religion which I guess is under the umbrella of parental preference but I also dislike religion so 🤷

[–]1throwaw4y432 27 points28 points29 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

People often die from losing a limb

[–]DecimatingDarkDeceit 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The account that made the unintelligent comment essentially never heard of blood loss, shock, trauma, extreme pain; comatose ~ literally kills people :ı

[–]R4_F 55 points56 points57 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

100 or so infants die from circumcision in the USA per year. It’s not uncommon. You are crushing a lot of veins there. Babies are fragile. And so are children

[+]Omz-bomz -38 points-37 points-36 points 4 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link

What source do you have on that number?

I have heard large numbers before and sadly the data they are refering to are not supporting it. It happens, one is too many, but I just wouldn't claim such a high number unless we have new verifiable data to show.

Edit: All below sources ties back to the same estimate made by Dan Bollinger, numbers which are taken out of thin air. I'm not saying it isn't happening, I'm not arguing against Bollingers claim that a lot get underrepported, his souce is flawed and we should strive to have more rigorous data at hand before claiming a set number.

[–]PQKN051502 22 points23 points24 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

(PDF) Lost Boys: An Estimate of U.S. Circumcision-Related Infant Deaths https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.researchgate.net/publication/240804903_Lost_Boys_An_Estimate_of_US_Circumcision-Related_Infant_Deaths%23:~:text%3DThis%2520study%2520finds%2520that%2520more,of%2520these%2520deaths%2520are%2520avoidable.&ved=2ahUKEwjavM_Q1tn3AhVCH7cAHWhhDJAQFnoECA4QBQ&usg=AOvVaw2z8BvoG0pzgxGyxnXD7bx9

[+]Electronic-Ad-2852 -10 points-9 points-8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well that sounds like a lot. Its a lie. But it is a lot

Correction: Sept. 24, 2012

An article on Aug. 27 about a conclusion by the American Academy of Pediatrics that the health benefits of circumcising infant boys outweigh the risks referred incompletely to complications that arise from the operation. An estimate given in the article, that about 117 boys a year die as a result of neonatal circumcision — put forth by Dan Bollinger, a prominent opponent of circumcision, based on his review of infant mortality statistics — is cited often by critics of routine circumcision but widely disputed by medical professionals. A spokeswoman for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said the agency does not track deaths from infant circumcision because they are exceedingly rare. In the agency’s last mortality report, which looked at all deaths in the country in 2010, no circumcision-related deaths were found.

[–]PQKN051502 21 points22 points23 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

https://medicaldialogues.in/urology/news/serious-complications-death-after-neonatal-circumcision-higher-than-believed-study-finds-87075

[–]PQKN051502 21 points22 points23 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/27/science/benefits-of-circumcision-outweigh-risks-pediatric-group-says.html

[–]PQKN051502 19 points20 points21 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

https://intactamerica.org/newborn-circumcision-linked-to-100-deaths-in-us-each-year/

[–]yettobekilledbydeath 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And this is in the US where I'd expect the surgeries happen under sterile conditions... worldwide on the other hand...

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