Feminist 'documentary' explores the "systemic societal problems caused by toxic masculinity". In reality, this is a bullshit propaganda film that tries to make all societal problems attributable to masculinity.

TRPsubmitter · 2013-08-02T13:29:29+00:00

Since most men grow up in toxic environments where they are encouraged to repress their emotions, express power through dominance and prove their masculinity...

Who said those things create a toxic environment in the first place? Classical circular reasoning: you cannot assume in your premise that which you are trying to prove in your conclusion!

Show me or provide an argument of how power, masculinity & rationality (aka repressing emotions) create a "toxic environment". They provide financial and sexual resources to those who demonstrate the highest "fitness", in evolutionary terms, for survival, success, and procreation. How is that bad again?

...it's no wonder that these pressures result in serious consequences for them.

You bet they do. Whenever I fuck a new girl, I take that very seriously. I don't even answer the numerous texts I get that same night from my other girls.

To solve gender equality, we need to target both women and men to build a stronger future for a united and strong world.

Target BOTH women and men? Say again?

rapscallionx · 2013-08-02T16:39:32+00:00

Here is simple break down of feminist logic as it views the link between masculinity and societal problems.

Our society has problems... Men have been "in charge" throughout our societies history... Men must be responsible for all societies problems...

That is essentially what their argument boils down to.

The side of the coin they choose to ignore when presenting that argument (an argument I wholeheartedly disagree with) is that, if men are responsible for everything, we are also responsible for every single good aspect of modern society.

If we are taking credit for this imagined "female oppression" we will also be taking credit for....

-Democracy

-Medicine

-All rights/privileges that women enjoy

-Almost all scientific discoveries

-racial equality

-computers

-agriculture

-the internet

-virtually all forms of transportation

-our economy

-social services

etc. fucking etc.

the fact that women can even complain about gender inequality is because men have created such an easy life for them they become so bored they invent injustices in their minds.... and then we're even nice enough to allow them to voice their delusions aloud.

clack-a-lack · 2013-08-02T13:24:57+00:00

So I geuss now the feminist consensus is that mass shootings are caused by masculinity as well?

Clauderoughly · 2013-08-02T13:38:53+00:00

Every time I see that statistic that boys are X times more likely to commit suicide than women (even though women are Y times more likely to attempt suicide), I think "yet more proof that men are more competent than women- they can't even kill themselves effectively".

stackedmidgets · 2013-08-02T21:31:12+00:00

Be a man. Stop being such a fag. Grow a pair. You're such a girl. Man up.

Every single boy growing up in the United States has heard these phrases at least once over the course of his life. They are all too common. They are also all too damaging. Most think that "toughening" boys is just a rite of passage, but a growing body of research is showing just how harmful these messages can be.

I used to take something like this message to heart. What I've learned from my experience is that, in fact, all the toughening messages, when implemented, have helped me be strong during times of adversity, to triumph over challenges, and to achieve mastery in the pursuits that I care about.

The softening messages do little but cause solipsism, weakness, and over-focus on emotional experience. When a man is strong, people follow him. When he becomes weak, or exhibits feminine values, no matter how many times that people bleat slogans about 'toxic masculinity,' both men and women will abandon him.

Masculinity isn't 'toxic' or 'defective.' What worked for Odysseus can work for you. This message promoted by this clip and this article are asking you to lay down your arms and take off your armor. It's asking you to subordinate yourself to female standards of behavior. But the world doesn't need more fe-men: it needs more men with the strength to lead, to perform their duties, to restore civilization, and defeat tyranny.

A woman lecturing men on how to be men is as absurd as a man lecturing women on how to breast feed and bond with their infants.

Subordinating men to female standards is as perverse as walking cats with a dog's leash.

Men aren't just defective women and women aren't just defective men. It's modernity that can't accept the beautiful differences and areas of mastery between the two genders, and attempts to cludge them together into a hideous transgender monstrosity.

TRPsubmitter · 2013-08-02T15:50:38+00:00

What the fuck does a woman know about being a man? Why is she trying to make some movement for men and she isn't even one?

2013-08-03T00:08:22+00:00

"Dawn Radford 21 hours ago The imposition of "man up" was certainly toxic to me; I came out in midle age as Transgendered, and as a result of that was found by the doctors to be Intersexed (a CT even found a uterus). Everything I knew and felt about myself through the course of my entire life had been negated until I said "enough" and started talking to the right people."

Yeah "dawn" YOUR situation is HIGHLY ATYPICAL and thus a statistical outlier.

desire_engineer · 2013-08-02T15:59:40+00:00

She has named her son 'hunter', the most masculine name in existence, and wants to make him into a passive-carer for her side-project.

She never touches on her premise of toxic masculinity outside of declaring it has led to men who are depressed and lonely, with a disconnected portrayal of masculinity.

Baseless feminist propaganda and a reminder that many 'education' practitioners like teachers, psychologists and psychiatrists all have bias towards key issues.

ChaoticParadox · 2013-08-02T13:27:55+00:00

Let's make a counter video. Systemic Societal Problems Cause By Toxic Sluttiness.

Hey girls, stop being sluts. Stop feeling the pressure to be a slut so you can brag to your girlfriends over a few beers smoking a joint how many cocks you've fucked lately. They feel this fear that if they aren't slutty enough, then they won't get fucked enough, and that's just not true. Guys really love dating girls in platonic relationships. Let's all just be inhumanly fucking happy not giving in to natural emotions and desires. Let's just confuse the shit out of everyone! Yay equality!

favours_of_the_moon · 2013-08-03T02:40:30+00:00

The problem as always is: PENIS ENVY.

To these people, there is no such thing as genuine strength, or personal integrity. There is only the "compensatory facade," or the MASK.

This is because, these people are projecting their OWN issues (PENIS ENVY) onto us. But we don't need that compensatory facade. We don't need to wear masks. Why? Because we don't feel incomplete.

Not because we have penises. But because we're not crazy.

Zamarski · 2013-08-03T06:03:44+00:00

She's attempting to turn the margins of human attraction into the mainstream of human attraction.... I say go for it! It's good for the Red Pill advice-givers who only seek that men and women meet their relationship goals because of such confusion. We will profit handsomely as proof that she's utterly wrong.

2013-08-03T06:22:17+00:00

Lol... funniest shit, their answer to the problem that feminism caused... is always more feminism.

illfoo · 2013-08-03T07:19:44+00:00

I swear to god I'd never heard of the phrase "toxic masculinity" before following this subreddit. Maybe it's because I live in a fly-over state but fuck, is type of rhetoric and attitude something guys deal with on a regular basis?

What a goddamn nightmare.

tomaleu · 2013-08-04T03:14:03+00:00

I like feminism. Doesn't hurt me one bit and keeps the shitty men from reproducing.

mpnsk · 2013-08-02T16:21:27+00:00

midway I found myself agreeing. The video may have started weak with its newspaper captions and the whole timelapse-thing making it all about how boys desperately need access to their emotions. but it hits on a lot of sweet spots. Especially the part about having few role models and a shallow fratboy masculinity.

Then the movie crescents with old, smart looking men talking with big words like authentic, potential, achieving, justice, compassion and of course strength! I am hyped like 'Fuck yeah! We DO need a new, real masculinity! Young men need our guidance!' (I am only 23 yet, mind you)

the video fades out and this bitch (I surmise because she doesn't look married. just some ad hominem) suddenly hijacks the whole train of thought and now the whole movie is about gender equality issues!? The influence of culture on boys?

fuck. I knew she was a feminist :/ edit: fuck my life, she IS married. To the Lieutenant Governor of California

Title	Feminist 'documentary' explores the "systemic societal problems caused by toxic masculinity". In reality, this is a bullshit propaganda film that tries to make all societal problems attributable to masculinity.
Author	TRPsubmitter
Upvotes	36
Comments	33
Date	August 2, 2013 1:12 PM UTC (13 years ago)
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