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| – | Both men and women have legit grievances, and we should actually try solving them together.Just ignore the history of abuse and any reasons this happened. Cool. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/26 01:30 AM |
| – | Both men and women have legit grievances, and we should actually try solving them together.I think at a very low resolution there are very few, if any, issues men have that are actually related to the systemic oppression of men. Men absolutely have problems. Men are absolutely harmed by gender roles. But that's different from men having problems because they are men in a system that systematically devalues men. If a man is lonely, because he moved somewhere new, works remotely, has few friends, and just hasn't developed a social network, I would have a harder time to use patriarchy as… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/26 01:09 AM |
| – | Both men and women have legit grievances, and we should actually try solving them together.The equality of the sexs, now thats the goal the process is equity. Is one of those issue exacebated you not getting to rape your wife? Is it women getting economic freedom? Or perhaps not getting to only have men in management the issue? What policies do you have a problem with that arent just "Men dont get to do anything they want"? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/26 12:53 AM |
| – | Both men and women have legit grievances, and we should actually try solving them together.Sure, we should absolutely address the systemic problems affecting everybody. Here's the problem with your analysis: men's problems are overwhelmingly caused by patriarchal gender norms, which feminism is already trying to dismantle, or they're caused by men's refusal to grow up and actually use the solutions we've been laying out for them for decades. Go to therapy. Build emotionally intimate friendships. Develop community. Stop making a romantic partner your sole source of emotional support. L… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/26 11:54 PM |
| – | Do Women really fear all Men by defaultI was raised a boy and I don't trust any men by default. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/26 10:21 PM |
| 10 | How did feminism changed the relationships between men and women in the last decades?A library is FREE and you can go to a college library even if you arent a student. Next you'll gouge you eyes out so you have another excuse. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/08/26 06:47 PM |
| 21 | How did feminism changed the relationships between men and women in the last decades?This gets a little aggravating. “Women say they’re feminists but still want men to pay for dates” is not the contradiction you think it is. Feminism does not mean every heterosexual dating convention instantly disappears, and increasingly women prefer something like a coffee date in the middle of the day anyway: cheap, public, and extremely easy to leave. There’s a reason for that. Men going into dating are disproportionately worried about rejection; women have to think about their physical safe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/08/26 06:29 PM |
| 4 | It’s a sound male strategy to vote away women’s rights for entertainment value in a divergent sex world.No you fucking can't and that's why I call you disturbed and delusional. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/08/26 06:15 PM |
| 6 | It’s a sound male strategy to vote away women’s rights for entertainment value in a divergent sex world.Okay, fine. I was being nice before when I was just calling you disturbed and delusional. But let's actually get into this. First, your entire premise about the “happier alone era of women” is fucking insane. Women increasingly deciding they'd rather be single than date cishet men who aren't emotionally available, responsible, reliable, or dependable partners isn't some “maximally nihilistic gender-centric goal.” The goal isn't for women to avoid dating entirely. The goal is for women to have en… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/08/26 06:14 PM |
| 8 | It’s a sound male strategy to vote away women’s rights for entertainment value in a divergent sex world.I wasnt rude, you are delusional and need a real mental health professional. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/08/26 05:04 PM |
| 3 | Men and women ARE inherently different, and the reason so many people are unhappy nowadays is people have tried to push back against that for so long.Check out the gender yap podcast. I think you would like it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/08/26 02:33 PM |
| 0 | Men and women ARE inherently different, and the reason so many people are unhappy nowadays is people have tried to push back against that for so long.Islam explicitly allows for the existence of other religions. White Christian nationalism doesn't, because these are fundamentally different political projects. Even in a caliphate, where the caliph holds both political and religious authority, non-Muslim communities are explicitly recognized as existing under that government. Islam is privileged, absolutely, but the goal isn't that everyone becomes Muslim. That's why saying there's “no functional difference” between a caliphate and what white C… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/08/26 02:25 PM |
| 2 | Men and women ARE inherently different, and the reason so many people are unhappy nowadays is people have tried to push back against that for so long.As technology grows, I think it's inevitable that more people become secular simply because they have access to more information. When you can see other people getting to live their lives freely, it hurts a lot more to be told that you can't live yours. And strangely, I think that's part of what TERFs are reacting to with trans women. So much of their rhetoric basically reduces womanhood to all the shittiest parts of being a woman. They see us as women who were “spared” some of those experiences… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/08/26 02:16 PM |
| 3 | Men and women ARE inherently different, and the reason so many people are unhappy nowadays is people have tried to push back against that for so long.Oh no, I have no problem talking about this. And honestly, if you grew up in Saudi Arabia, I can absolutely understand why your relationship with Islam would be very different from mine. I grew up in the U.S. I was born and raised in California. My wife was born and raised in Bangladesh, which is considerably more secular than a lot of Westerners seem to assume. In both of those environments, Islam is treated much more the way Islam is supposed to be treated: as an individual calling. Nobody is … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/08/26 01:58 PM |
| – | It’s a sound male strategy to vote away women’s rights for entertainment value in a divergent sex world.Just like you with your comments. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/08/26 01:37 PM |
| 1 | Men and women ARE inherently different, and the reason so many people are unhappy nowadays is people have tried to push back against that for so long.“Islamist” is a political term created and popularized through a Christian nationalist and Western framework, you idiot. Islam is a religion. If you had said something like “Muslimist,” maybe you could argue you were describing someone taking their personal religious beliefs and turning them into a political ideology. Christians and Christianity are recognizably the same root concept. Imagine if followers of Christianity were called “Jesusists,” their political ideology was called “Jesusism,” an… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/08/26 01:36 PM |
| – | It’s a sound male strategy to vote away women’s rights for entertainment value in a divergent sex world.You mean it uses really generic language, like it's all properly edited? There's not a ton of internal voice in most articles that you read in a magazine. You know that, right? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/08/26 01:29 PM |
| 2 | Men and women ARE inherently different, and the reason so many people are unhappy nowadays is people have tried to push back against that for so long.I'm Muslim. I literally grew up in this. My wife prays five times a day. You going “Islamist and Islamic are different things, read about it” like you're educating me about my own religion is almost as insulting as your original comment. “Islamist” is categorically a racist term in this discourse, and it's part of the same white Christian nationalist vocabulary that turns Muslims into some monolithic foreign threat. You don't get to throw out “Islamists,” Hamas, Sharia, “third-world views,” and … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/08/26 01:22 PM |
| – | It’s a sound male strategy to vote away women’s rights for entertainment value in a divergent sex world.I think at this point whenever I see someone say AI slop for a text-based post it's just because you don't want to read. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/08/26 01:11 PM |
| 0 | Men and women ARE inherently different, and the reason so many people are unhappy nowadays is people have tried to push back against that for so long.If you're using the term “Islamist” in the United States, you're a fucking racist. We're Muslims. We follow Islam. We're not Christians. You don't understand the difference between a Muslim person living in the United States, like Zohran Mamdani, and people living under occupation and systemic violence who fall into fundamentalist politics under extreme material pressure. People living under an incredibly fascistic regime, under occupation, violence, instability, and oppression can fall into fun… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/08/26 01:08 PM |
| 34 | It’s a sound male strategy to vote away women’s rights for entertainment value in a divergent sex world.You should see a therapist because you are deeply deeply Disturbed | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/08/26 12:40 PM |
| 8 | Men and women ARE inherently different, and the reason so many people are unhappy nowadays is people have tried to push back against that for so long.The Red Pill can keep claiming it's not conservative. They can keep claiming there are “progressive Red Pill” people and that it's all just dating advice. But no. At some point, when your entire worldview about women, gender, sex, marriage, hierarchy, and feminism keeps reproducing white Christian nationalist ideology, I don't particularly care what label you slap on it. These people are white Christian nationalist psyopd idiots pretending reactionary politics magically becomes progressive when … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/08/26 10:27 AM |
| 1 | It’s simply all about pleasureDefine pleasure? You're weirdly not being very specific because pleasure is such a vacuous term as to be useless here. Pleasure is an experience that feels good, that involves the enjoyment of something. So yeah make them feel good is great advice it as useful as saying let's breathe air. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 10:40 PM |
| 2 | Reproductive Risk Changes the Dating MarketMaybe if you read my comment or understood it I wouldn't just be saying the exact same thing she gets to choose not to have an abortion or to have one and they both have to deal with the consequences but unless you're saying you want to proactively control her body you don't understand the fucking arguments being made here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 08:54 PM |
| 0 | Reproductive Risk Changes the Dating MarketSo did you not see the first few words that were said which were a question? What's causing the parental alienation other than him Or do multiple classes just confuse you | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 08:31 PM |
| – | Reproductive Risk Changes the Dating MarketWhat's causing the parental alienation other than him also do you not know what a fucking pregnancy is you God damn idiot? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 08:09 PM |
| -2 | Reproductive Risk Changes the Dating MarketAre you purposefully misinterpreting what I'm saying, or are you actually this fucking illiterate? The woman has bodily autonomy because the pregnancy is happening inside her body. The child, once born, has rights independent of either parent, including financial support from both of them. You aren't being “controlled” because you have financial obligations to a child you created any more than a mother paying child support to a custodial father is being controlled by him. You keep demanding “equ… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 07:02 PM |
| 1 | Reproductive Risk Changes the Dating MarketHoly shit, you managed to get the Massachusetts standard wrong again immediately after admitting you had it wrong. No, you do not “simply need to know right from wrong and consequences.” Massachusetts explicitly says mere intellectual knowledge that conduct is wrong or illegal is not enough; the question is meaningful appreciation of its wrongfulness or substantial capacity to conform your conduct to the law. And applying that standard equally does not mean pretending every medical condition is … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 07:01 PM |
| -2 | Reproductive Risk Changes the Dating MarketNo we want the ability to have abortions protected and since we don't the fucking kid that you created is your responsibility financially congratulations. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 06:55 PM |
| -2 | Reproductive Risk Changes the Dating MarketNo if you get pregnant is the comeback. The illiteracy is real with this one. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 06:53 PM |
| -1 | Reproductive Risk Changes the Dating MarketBut men suck at it from what my friends tell me. Let alone how many just seem to not even consider it an option. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 06:52 PM |
| 1 | Reproductive Risk Changes the Dating MarketI graciously accept the out. Thanks | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 06:44 PM |
| 2 | Reproductive Risk Changes the Dating MarketNo I apologize I have just been dealing with people continually making the worst responses to this issue I read it and that I misunderstood the context that you were saying I do apologize. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 06:28 PM |
| 1 | Reproductive Risk Changes the Dating MarketAre you seriously comparing ordinary depression in criminals to a psychiatric condition specifically associated with pregnancy and childbirth? No, I don't fucking go to bat for wife stranglers or school shooters, because they aren't experiencing a psychiatric condition associated with the enormous physiological and hormonal changes of pregnancy, childbirth, and the postpartum period. That's a completely bullshit false equivalence. “Other people with mental-health problems commit horrible crimes … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 06:27 PM |
| 1 | Reproductive Risk Changes the Dating MarketHey just a question why aren't there any 40 or 50 year old trad wife influencers that are like super popular? Erica Kirk certainly isn't fucking promoting them. Also she went to Texas she's from Alaska this is a political football and you're not being genuine here it's about attacking abortion entirely not about women at all. Edit: I misunderstood the context and my response is wrong. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 06:21 PM |
| 1 | Reproductive Risk Changes the Dating MarketWell, at least you've stopped asking me to be civil. Unfortunately, you apparently didn't read your own fucking links. Cornell explicitly says states determine their own insanity-defense rules; your law-firm article is about Florida law, and your KSL article is discussing the federal Insanity Defense Reform Act. Lindsay Clancy is being tried in Massachusetts, whose Supreme Judicial Court says the exact opposite of what you just confidently told me: “The defendant has no burden to prove a lack of… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 06:03 PM |
| 0 | Reproductive Risk Changes the Dating MarketI would have used myself as a counter but turned out Im not a man lol | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 05:46 PM |
| -1 | Reproductive Risk Changes the Dating MarketSay you're the whitest straight cis man on the planet without saying it. “Absolute equality” is fucking idiotic because equal treatment of people in materially unequal circumstances perpetuates inequality—that's literally why we distinguish equality from equity. By this logic, wheelchair ramps are “special treatment,” accommodations are discrimination, and correcting the effects of redlining or chattel slavery is unfair because everyone should simply be treated “equally” now. And here the materi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 05:41 PM |
| 1 | Reproductive Risk Changes the Dating Market“I don't like your tone” is not a rebuttal, and being civil does not require me to be nice to you while you repeatedly demonstrate that you don't understand pregnancy, postpartum illness, psychosis, or the evidence you're citing. You keep saying “she had help” as though receiving medical care proves that the medical care was adequate. That is literally the issue being contested. The providers you've cited had incomplete information and poor coordination with one another. Jollotta didn't know Cla… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 05:39 PM |
| 1 | Reproductive Risk Changes the Dating Market“Please be civil” after repeatedly talking out of your ass about pregnancy, psychosis, and the insanity defense is adorable. Im not being uncivil im just not being "nice". Also Holy shit, did you actually read the testimony of the people you're citing? Jollotta didn't know Clancy was still seeing Tufts, never spoke to Tufts, didn't know about behavior later raised as possible mania, and admitted her symptoms were serious; Tufts did 14 telehealth sessions without obtaining her complete recent psy… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 04:55 PM |
| 2 | Reproductive Risk Changes the Dating MarketDo you want a carrot now? good horsey. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 04:39 PM |
| 17 | Egg freezing symbolizes a big failure of feminism.God, the Red Pill really does just love controlling women—or shitting on us whenever we gain any control over our own lives. Anything that gives women more autonomy becomes evidence that feminism has somehow “failed.” And it's funny how you keep saying “a recent congresswoman.” We both know you're talking about Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Representative Ocasio-Cortez is a woman you people spend an absurd amount of time obsessing over. Stop pretending she's some anonymous woman whose story you just… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 04:39 PM |
| 2 | Reproductive Risk Changes the Dating MarketNope its like watching a horse count reading youre responses. Its like you can mimic thought or reading comprehension. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 04:24 PM |
| 1 | Reproductive Risk Changes the Dating MarketOh my fucking god, the providers failing to diagnose her is the alleged medical failure we're talking about. “The doctors didn't diagnose it, therefore she couldn't have had it” is circular reasoning so stupid I'm genuinely impressed you typed it twice. And you apparently don't understand the insanity defense either: under Massachusetts law, the question is whether a mental disease or defect left her without substantial capacity at the time of the killings to appreciate their wrongfulness or con… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 04:15 PM |
| 1 | Reproductive Risk Changes the Dating MarketI think the problem is that a lot of these men—and unfortunately a lot of women—might technically have access to this information now, but they don't know to look for it, and historically they were actively discouraged from looking. I learned about pregnancy complications due to standard medical practics in seventh grade because my aunt had a stillbirth after complications that were badly mishandled during her pregnancy and labor. I'm 40 now, so that's almost three decades I've spent learning ab… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 04:07 PM |
| 1 | Reproductive Risk Changes the Dating MarketHoly shit, you really don't understand even the basic concept you're arguing about. You don't need a psychosis diagnosis beforehand to be found legally insane; the question is her mental state at the time of the killings. And “I had psychosis and didn't kill anyone” is such breathtakingly stupid reasoning that I'm embarrassed for you—you are not the diagnostic template for every psychotic person on Earth. “She doesn't seem psychotic to me” is even better: thank God we finally found the random Re… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 03:57 PM |
| -1 | Reproductive Risk Changes the Dating MarketYou can only be for Equity if you only ever been privileged enough to be at the top and don't understand what material conditions mean. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 03:54 PM |
| 2 | Reproductive Risk Changes the Dating MarketYeah women absolutely don't get that right the child gets that right the child you created. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 03:53 PM |
| 1 | Reproductive Risk Changes the Dating MarketNo. Read it again and try harder. Actually look at the individual letters. Notice how they form words. Sound them out. Get an adult to help you if you need to. Functional literacy is difficult, but I believe it's something you can overcome. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 03:51 PM |
| – | The body count double standardNo, I really do think we should probably punish anybody for sleeping with men. But then again, I'm feeling particularly misandrist right now, and considering all the shit I'm watching men do to women, I genuinely don't understand how any of you still find men attractive. At this point, I don't think I'd even let Brad Pitt sleep with me. Tom Holland, though? Okay, fine. I'd give it to Tom Holland. He's sexy and woke. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 03:38 PM |
| – | The body count double standardThis is probably getting taken down, but I’m answering it anyway because you desperately misunderstand what the double standard actually is. Historically, women’s sexuality was policed because controlling women’s reproduction, inheritance, marriage, and economic dependence benefited men and the social systems they controlled. Slut-shaming was never some neutral accounting system where everyone agreed that sex with men was uniquely contaminating. It was a mechanism for controlling which men women… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 03:35 PM |
| 0 | Reproductive Risk Changes the Dating MarketCool. Then let's rip out wheelchair ramps and elevators, stop putting Braille in public spaces, and tell disabled people that accommodating their materially different circumstances would be “preferential treatment.” You have accidentally explained exactly why equity exists. Equality says everyone gets exactly the same thing. Equity recognizes that people do not start from the same circumstances, so sometimes different treatment is necessary to produce anything remotely resembling fairness. And h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 03:32 PM |
| 3 | Reproductive Risk Changes the Dating MarketThat doesn't deal with the actual problem of fucking pregnancy and labor do you not know what happens to a human woman's body when they go through that process you fucking idiot?That doesn't solve the actual problem of pregnancy and labor. Do you not know what happens to a human woman's body during that process? “Men can surrender newborns too” equalizes what happens after a child exists. It does absolutely nothing to equalize the preceding nine months, childbirth, or postpartum recovery. The wo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 03:17 PM |
| -2 | Reproductive Risk Changes the Dating MarketThat is when I changed my mind. Also I practice steelmanning actually knowing other people's arguments is useful. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 02:53 PM |
| 1 | Reproductive Risk Changes the Dating MarketHoly shit, you're kidding. They didn't diagnose her with psychosis until afterward? Wow. Incredible observation. Yes. That's the fucking point. The entire defense is arguing that she was suffering from an undiagnosed severe postpartum psychiatric disorder while she was repeatedly seeking medical help. She had insomnia, suicidal thoughts, intrusive thoughts, severe anxiety and detachment; went through numerous psychiatric medications; contacted crisis services; and was hospitalized shortly before… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 02:42 PM |
| -2 | Reproductive Risk Changes the Dating MarketDo you know what postpartum psychosis is? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 02:39 PM |
| -2 | Reproductive Risk Changes the Dating MarketThis reminded me of a conversation I had years ago, when I was still presenting as a man. Some women I worked with told me that, of the men they knew, I was basically the only one they would trust with the right to legally surrender parental responsibility. What do you think this means? That is my proof you didnt read it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 02:38 PM |
| 0 | Reproductive Risk Changes the Dating MarketEven if the guy shows all the paperwork (stds and fertility) nobody ever should trust a man you've met only 3 times. So you still need a condom anyway. True | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 02:37 PM |
| 6 | Reproductive Risk Changes the Dating MarketI would but I would also talk about if sex was open to start with. I use actual sex positive sex practices for consent using the discussion model used in bdsm play. Explicit ongoing informed. Its not a hard standard. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 02:36 PM |
| 1 | Reproductive Risk Changes the Dating MarketBetter sex ed, especially for men | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 02:34 PM |
| 3 | Reproductive Risk Changes the Dating MarketYou definitely have a complex thinking victim not soldier though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 02:32 PM |
| 1 | Reproductive Risk Changes the Dating MarketMy aunt had complications during labor and lost the baby. I was in 7th grade and have spent the time since then learning everything I could. I made a birthing plan at 15 that I could offer my future wife, to approve or not obviously, but the biggest fight I have with my mom is about using a birth center not a hospital. Hospitals for especially women of color like my wife is a fucking disaster and im not watching my wife die because some white cis doctor thinks women of color have a high pain tol… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 02:27 PM |
| -2 | Reproductive Risk Changes the Dating Marketit is also telling that present-afternoon-70 discussed lps in other subs and even in purplepilldebate... it is her choice to abort or go through the pregnancy and thats it.. Funny you could tag it but you keep saying my name? Who else would you be talking about? Also you didnt even try to read my post. When did I change my view on lps? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 02:20 PM |
| 1 | Reproductive Risk Changes the Dating MarketOf course they didnt read it, whenever a person starts with ai its ment to avoid whats being written. Anything advocating for women or about women is some grand slight to these people. How many of these pro life advocates get caught taking their mistress to a clinic? Its also men who have the strongest opinions on this and trans issues. Like the one group most unaffected by these issues cares the absolute fucking most? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 02:18 PM |
| 2 | Reproductive Risk Changes the Dating MarketWhy dont you then? Fucking brave you are. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 02:08 PM |
| 0 | Reproductive Risk Changes the Dating MarketIt them the new (((them))) now. Saying with your chest. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 02:07 PM |
| 4 | Reproductive Risk Changes the Dating MarketYou havent watched the case or know anything other than headline then. She was suffering from post partim psychos which is one of those effects of pregnancy you dont fucking know about. You have no fucking clue what the current understanding of mental health is. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 02:06 PM |
| 0 | Reproductive Risk Changes the Dating MarketYou dont care about reality so.... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 02:00 PM |
| 3 | Reproductive Risk Changes the Dating MarketMen provably dont. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 01:57 PM |
| – | Reproductive Risk Changes the Dating MarketWow this chatgpt response isnt worth reading. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 01:45 PM |
| 9 | Reproductive Risk Changes the Dating MarketWanting not to die = want privilege Thats a fucking wild take. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 01:45 PM |
| 5 | Reproductive Risk Changes the Dating MarketSometimes just the act of saying is enough. Stay strong | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 11:46 AM |
| 11 | Reproductive Risk Changes the Dating MarketIts a fucking horror show right now after we had some relief for a few years. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 11:45 AM |
| 7 | Reproductive Risk Changes the Dating MarketI think the biggest con for most men is it is a mild inconvenience. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 11:40 AM |
| 15 | Reproductive Risk Changes the Dating MarketHe didn't even read it so what do you expect? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 11:36 AM |
| 0 | Reproductive Risk Changes the Dating MarketYa seems like any opportunity to avoid even the smallest responsibilities or inconvenience. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 11:36 AM |
| 3 | Reproductive Risk Changes the Dating MarketOr you could read it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 11:35 AM |
| 0 | Women can't even take a fraction of the snark they have for men collectively.You know text to speech is something and people speak a lot faster than they type | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 03:32 AM |
| 3 | Women can't even take a fraction of the snark they have for men collectively.Well, at least you're honest that you don't actually know, because you could have just listed them and proven me wrong instead of trying to skate around the challenge. And hormones, stretch marks, and pressure on the organs? That's “I watched Mommy get pregnant when I was five” levels of understanding. Those are some of the most superficial, obvious aspects of pregnancy imaginable. You just reinforced my point that you don't actually understand what pregnancy can do to a woman's body. And the st… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 02:39 AM |
| 4 | Women can't even take a fraction of the snark they have for men collectively.Yeah because generally men are the ones creating systemic problems that fucking oppressed women, I wonder why they bitch? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 01:06 AM |
| 1 | Women can't even take a fraction of the snark they have for men collectively.Exactly. One huge problem with this conversation is that you have to really dig for the histories of women and minorities because so much of it gets filtered out of the popular historical narrative. If you relied on the version of history these people seem to know, you'd think the only people who ever did anything important were white cishet men. Women have always fought, hunted, resisted, led, and contributed; you just have to actually bother looking for them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 01:03 AM |
| 2 | Women can't even take a fraction of the snark they have for men collectively.Do you not follow current events? At least in the United States, Dobbs already eliminated the federal constitutional right to abortion, and reproductive autonomy is currently being restricted in multiple states. So “women have far more control over pregnancy” is an absolutely bizarre response to someone talking about forced pregnancy. You're comparing something parents can do to an infant with the government restricting what an adult woman can do with her own body while she is pregnant. Those ca… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 01:00 AM |
| 3 | Women can't even take a fraction of the snark they have for men collectively.You know what actually changed my view on “financial abortion” being analogous to abortion? A conversation I had with several women when I was still presenting as a man. They told me, specifically, that if I wanted the right to financially surrender parental responsibility, they would give it to me. Some of those same women said they wouldn't give that option to their own fucking husbands. And their reasoning mattered. They knew my character. They believed that if I ever made that decision, it w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 12:53 AM |
| 1 | Women can't even take a fraction of the snark they have for men collectively.What do you think blue pill trans woman means? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 10:10 PM |
| 3 | Women can't even take a fraction of the snark they have for men collectively.I promise you having existed on both sides of this line women do already understand. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 09:56 PM |
| 1 | Men fail to understand women because they don’t use their perspectiveOf course they don't understand the concept of sarcasm. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 09:46 PM |
| 1 | Men fail to understand women because they don’t use their perspectiveNo I think women do because the majority of media history and culture is geared towards men how many feminist Scholars did you read in high school? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 07:18 PM |
| 1 | the bi men conversation is sillyNo I was very clear about that from the very beginning. I can make a distinction between personal and public. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 07:16 PM |
| 1 | the bi men conversation is sillyMy first sentence was I'm literally the example that proves the rule that women do find themselves attracted to men and aren't disgusted you literally couldn't understand my first sentence. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 07:09 PM |
| 1 | the bi men conversation is sillyI'm literally an outlier, you idiot. I am the exception that proves the rule you're failing to understand. I'm a lesbian trans woman. Of course I personally don't understand heterosexual women's attraction to men. I literally used my own wife as a counterexample: she's attracted to men, and I joked that she should be more disgusted by them. The entire joke only works because she isn't. You keep taking my personal feelings as a lesbian and pretending they're evidence for how women generally feel.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 06:50 PM |
| 1 | the bi men conversation is sillyWhy is reading comprehension so difficult on this sub? I said, "Unfortunately, I think most women aren't grossed out enough by men." Meaning women generally aren't grossed out by men, and I personally think they should be more. I did not agree with your claim that women find men inherently disgusting. Those are literally opposite statements. Again, cishet women—and plenty of bi women and trans women, for some fucking reason—like men. Don't ask me to explain it. Cishet men are so far outside what… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 06:43 PM |
| 0 | Women can't even take a fraction of the snark they have for men collectively.Good thing that's not happening from people on my side. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 06:34 PM |
| 2 | Women can't even take a fraction of the snark they have for men collectively.Why does history suddenly stop existing whenever acknowledging its consequences becomes inconvenient for your position? First, plenty of the things I'm talking about are not things women merely “inherited” from their grandmothers. Women experience them right now. Reproductive autonomy is the most obvious example: women alive today have already lost federal constitutional abortion protections, and the federal government is currently pursuing further restrictions on reproductive healthcare. Sexual… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 06:33 PM |
| 0 | the bi men conversation is sillyUnfortunately, I think most women aren't grossed out enough by men. But no, that's obviously not the same thing as women generally finding men disgusting. Most women are, inconveniently for your argument, heterosexual and actually attracted to men. I personally don't understand the appeal. There's basically one part of male anatomy I find sexually attractive. I can recognize that Brad Pitt is handsome, but some random average guy does absolutely nothing for me because I'm a lesbian. Heterosexual… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 06:30 PM |
| 4 | Why do women give themselves passes for trying to defy a "real man" but men immediately get shunned when they try and defy women?You've been poisoned by white Christian nationalism. Who the fuck looks at two grown adults in a relationship and describes one of them living her own life as “defying” the other? He's her partner, not her father, owner, or commanding officer. Adults don't need permission from their partners to exist. You can have boundaries, standards, and dealbreakers; you don't get authority over another adult and then call it “defiance” when she doesn't obey you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 06:27 PM |
| -1 | the bi men conversation is sillyOh wow. I was actually giving you too much credit. I thought you were being homophobic without also being misogynistic, but apparently were doing both. Yes, bisexual men absolutely can be victimized by women treating them as repulsive because they're bisexual. That's called biphobia. And no, "most men are repulsive to women at some point" does not magically turn bisexuality-specific disgust into generic heterosexual attraction. You did accidentally wander near something interesting with the yaoi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 06:01 PM |
| 0 | the bi men conversation is sillyNo, I can admit when I got something wrong. I misunderstood what you were saying. I thought you were saying that the other side would call any reason for rejecting a bisexual man bigoted, which I don't agree with. There are obviously plenty of reasons to say no that aren't bigoted. I thought you were a Red Piller arguing, "Blue Pillers will say that no matter why a woman rejects a bi man, they'll call her a bigot." If that's not what you meant, then I was arguing against a position you weren't a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 05:57 PM |
| 2 | the bi men conversation is sillyI genuinely don't understand how you people keep willfully avoiding this incredibly simple distinction. Nobody is saying you have to fuck anyone. No is a complete answer. You have absolute control over who gets access to your body. But your reason for saying no can still be bigoted. "I'm not attracted to you" is fine. "I don't want to date men" is fine. "I don't like your personality" is fine. "I don't date bisexual men because men who fuck men are disgusting/not real men" is homophobia and biph… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 05:55 PM |
| 1 | the bi men conversation is sillyNo you find male sexuality disgusting No, you find male sexuality disgusting. Women generally are far more accepting of sexual and gender diversity than you're pretending. Women are disproportionately supportive of gay people, bisexual people, trans men, and trans women. The idea that women are naturally repulsed by male sexuality is just you universalizing your own tradcon hangups. What women very often dislike is fucked-up male sexuality—sexual entitlement, harassment, coercion, objectificatio… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 05:52 PM |
| 1 | the bi men conversation is sillySo phobic means that you have an undo or outsized dislike or disgust of it doesn't just mean scared. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 05:50 PM |
| 0 | the bi men conversation is sillyDo you know how enormous male/male shipping is in fandom? Straight women, bi women, lesbian women—women across sexualities consume and create M/M fanfiction, fan art, romance, and erotica. It's literally one of the most popular forms of shipping. The claim that "women find male sexuality disgusting" falls apart the second you look outside this tiny tradcon bubble. Women don't inherently find male sexuality disgusting. Homophobes find male homosexuality disgusting. People steeped in patriarchal g… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 05:50 PM |
| 2 | Women can't even take a fraction of the snark they have for men collectively.Yes daddy if I'm lying you can spank me/s Is that what you need to hear? What the fuck more do you want? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 05:46 PM |
| 0 | Women can't even take a fraction of the snark they have for men collectively.Im saying I write then edit so rather than let it be a rant. No matter what how do you think ai works? You can say write something or you can write out the entire thing then it can format and edit for flow. The biggest problem I have with the bullshit anti ai stuff is the complete idiocy of think ai always means slop. Have you ever used screen writing software? Remember clippy? They are weaker versions. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 05:35 PM |
| 0 | Women can't even take a fraction of the snark they have for men collectively.Is because its edited or because its more than 5 sentences? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 04:29 PM |
| 1 | Women can't even take a fraction of the snark they have for men collectively.Look at my comment responding to the other person making the exact same point. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 03:51 PM |
| 2 | Women can't even take a fraction of the snark they have for men collectively.If we were talking about racial crime statistics, you'd have a point about using convictions naively, because racial minorities are subject to systemic disparities throughout the criminal-justice system. Men are not a marginalized minority under patriarchy. That doesn't mean gender has zero effect on arrest, prosecution, or conviction, either. It means you actually have to look at the specific crime and compare multiple measures. And some crimes are so overwhelmingly male-perpetrated that preten… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 03:50 PM |
| 11 | Women can't even take a fraction of the snark they have for men collectively.I could also tell it to all the women who were explicitly excluded from military and political power by the same patriarchal systems you're talking about, or the women who experienced war through rape, sexual slavery, forced pregnancy, displacement, starvation, and the destruction of their families. Do you seriously think women historically just sat safely offscreen while men experienced war? Sexual violence against women is one of the oldest and most persistent features of warfare. Women have b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 03:44 PM |
| 2 | Women can't even take a fraction of the snark they have for men collectively.It's a good as a one of many. That's how generally we come to larger scale understandings of societal Norms or theories. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 03:38 PM |
| 3 | Men fail to understand women because they don’t use their perspectiveDo I need to start posting definitions of these concepts? Because you're describing the mechanism I'm talking about and then presenting it as a disagreement. Cultivation theory is specifically about this. It's a well-established media-effects framework about how long-term, repeated exposure to media cultivates our perceptions of social reality—not just what we think happens in the world, but our attitudes, values, expectations, and understanding of what different people and social roles are supp… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 03:14 PM |
| 1 | Men fail to understand women because they don’t use their perspectiveMostly because it can see the context of what I'm responding to, and sometimes it hallucinates extra framing based on that context. I try to remove that and have it stick to cleaning up my transcription, but it's not a perfect system. Like, do you want proof of my disability? Do I need to submit documentation to Reddit explaining why I use a fucking accessibility tool? I show it what I'm responding to because that reduces worse hallucinations and, more importantly, lets me read your comment whil… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 02:30 PM |
| 2 | Men fail to understand women because they don’t use their perspectivehttps://www.simplypsychology.org/cultivation-theory.html https://www.verywellmind.com/cultivation-theory-5214376 https://pressbooks.montgomerycollege.edu/commtheory/chapter/chapter-16-cultivation-theory/ This is why I keep telling you to actually look at cultivation theory, because you're still reducing my argument to "media tells us what another person's interior life is." It's considerably broader than that. Cultivation theory is about how repeated exposure to media cultivates our understandin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 02:16 PM |
| 3 | Men fail to understand women because they don’t use their perspectiveI can't type very easily because I have extremely limited hand mobility, and I'm not paying for a transcription service when ChatGPT can transcribe my speech for me. Believe me, I'm not using ChatGPT to summarize your kindergarten-level thoughts. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 02:07 PM |
| 3 | Men fail to understand women because they don’t use their perspectiveThe disagreement is that he thinks neither sex is taught the other's deeper perspective, whereas you're arguing that women are routinely exposed to male perspective through narrative. He's collapsing “explicit instruction about the opposite sex” and “socialization through repeated narrative identification” into the same category. No, we're not agreeing. I don't know why you think we are. Again, cultivation theory is what I'm using to describe how people are taught perspective. You're treating "b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 01:54 PM |
| -1 | Men fail to understand women because they don’t use their perspectiveDo you go to movies? Watch television? Read books? Because yes, you absolutely are being taught those things. Not through somebody sitting you down and giving you a lecture titled "Understanding the Male Perspective," but through repeated exposure to men's interior lives. Take John Wick. It's an extremely male story about grief, identity, and losing the person who made a particular version of yourself possible. John loses his wife and then the final gift she left him, and his internal pain is ex… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 01:42 PM |
| 2 | Men fail to understand women because they don’t use their perspectiveHaving grown up as a boy, if we're going to substitute anecdotes for the research I already gave you, then yes, I actually would say male-centered media does a pretty good job communicating the interior life men are socialized into. That's the part you seem to be missing. Representation doesn't mean "this literally resembles my Tuesday afternoon." Take John Wick and Labyrinth. John Wick is an extraordinarily male story about grief, identity, and the loss of the person who made another version of… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 01:39 PM |
| -2 | Men fail to understand women because they don’t use their perspectiveA MAJOR part of a young man’s socialization is being taught what women like. Whether or not the things being taught are correct is obviously debatable, but to say it isn’t happening is BS. You didnt say that? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 01:19 PM |
| 5 | Women can't even take a fraction of the snark they have for men collectively.Your Mongol example is a complete non sequitur. Nobody said modern men personally owe women reparations for what men centuries ago did. Historical causation and inherited personal guilt are not the same fucking concept. The Mongol conquests can affect subsequent history without some random Mongolian today being personally responsible for Genghis Khan. Likewise, patriarchal institutions can shape the society we inherit without some random 25-year-old man being personally guilty for creating cover… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 01:18 PM |
| -2 | Men fail to understand women because they don’t use their perspectiveIt's honestly laughable that you think this constitutes men being taught to understand women's perspectives, because even your own example demonstrates the exact opposite. "Become successful because women will like you" is not teaching boys to understand women. The subject of that lesson is still the man. His success, his attractiveness, his ability to acquire a partner, his future family. The woman exists in that framework as the person whose approval he needs to obtain. Men aren't generally ta… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 01:05 PM |
| 1 | Men fail to understand women because they don’t use their perspectiveRead my comments that I put dedicated to explaining this. I don't feel the need to just repost it under you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 01:02 PM |
| 4 | Women can't even take a fraction of the snark they have for men collectively.You just justified slavery. Like, genuinely, you managed to stumble directly into one of the oldest and stupidest defenses of human domination. “It was just the natural social structure that evolved because womenuncivilized are weaker than mencivilized.” Oh and ignore that the "civilized" people have zero interest in any type of civilization other than theirs. So Congratulations. You've independently rediscovered the basic logic historically used to justify colonialism and slavery: observe that … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 12:51 PM |
| 2 | Men fail to understand women because they don’t use their perspectiveNo because women have been sent and have to consume male perspective media the entirety of their life. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 12:43 PM |
| 23 | Men fail to understand women because they don’t use their perspectiveI mean, all of these things are true, but I think the biggest problem you're going to run into is cultivation theory. Cultivation theory is basically the idea that sustained exposure to media helps shape how we perceive the real world. It was originally developed around television, but the broader concept is extremely relevant here: whose perspective are you repeatedly exposed to, and whose perspective do you have to deliberately seek out? Because that exposure is absolutely not symmetrical. Men… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 12:43 PM |
| 1 | Women can't even take a fraction of the snark they have for men collectively.If you think you haven't been affected by World War II you're a goddamn moron. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 12:07 PM |
| 3 | Women can't even take a fraction of the snark they have for men collectively.The op supporting or not supporting anything doesn't change what we're talking about which is a high level overview of societal Norms expectations and repercussions. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 12:07 PM |
| – | Women can't even take a fraction of the snark they have for men collectively.I gave it you not being able to understand it is not my problem. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 12:06 PM |
| 4 | Women can't even take a fraction of the snark they have for men collectively.I would never kill a baby and I would never say that is a human right I am for stopping a fetus from implanting or stopping a pregnancy before 23 weeks. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 12:06 PM |
| 2 | Women can't even take a fraction of the snark they have for men collectively.Demonstrate you have a actual understanding of historical context. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 12:05 PM |
| 9 | Women can't even take a fraction of the snark they have for men collectively.This person has never been around a woman. Plain and simple. Besides all the shit women can physically go through during pregnancy, the current Lindsay Clancy case shows just how badly women can be failed by the medical system before, during, and after pregnancy—to the point that severe postpartum psychiatric symptoms can be missed or inadequately treated, with absolutely catastrophic consequences, and then the woman herself is left carrying the blame while everyone argues afterward about what s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 02:14 AM |
| 1 | Most women aren't feministic enoughYou fundamentally do not understand what pop feminism means. It's feminism simplified enough to fit on a fucking protest sign. “Patriarchy hurts women.” “My body, my choice.” Complex feminist ideas compressed into slogans, memes, and language that can propagate through a mass movement. That's what pop means. But you keep saying: «Pop feminism just because it has feminism on its name isn't really feminism just like how pi feminism isn't feminism.» No. You're describing pseudo-feminism and calling… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 02:11 AM |
| 12 | Women can't even take a fraction of the snark they have for men collectively.You have never been around a woman. I genuinely do not know how else you arrive at “once you're pregnant, men and women are in the same position.” That statement requires such a profound lack of understanding of what pregnancy actually does to a human body that I don't know what we're even comparing anymore. The man is not pregnant. His cardiovascular system isn't being altered. His organs aren't being displaced. His abdominal muscles aren't being stretched and potentially separated. His pelvic … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 01:55 AM |
| 1 | People trying to shame women into relationships with bi menHoly shit. At this point I genuinely have to question your reading comprehension, because these are sentences a fifth grader should be able to parse. I quoted you about the gay sex. I introduced cheating as a comparison. Those are two different things. I never claimed you used the word “cheating.” “IF the problem is the gay sex, NOT the cheating.” This is basic conditional phrasing. “If” introduces a condition. “Not” excludes the alternative. I'm saying: if X rather than Y is the problem, then Z… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 01:25 AM |
| 1 | People trying to shame women into relationships with bi menYES, I added cheating. It's a fucking comparison, not a quote. I'm separating having sex with someone else from having gay sex to identify which part you actually object to. If sex with another woman is unacceptable because it's cheating, but sex with a man is additionally or uniquely unacceptable because it's gay, then the gay part is the issue I'm criticizing. But you've actually made this easier now: “Straight men don't have gay sex which is why we date straight men and not bi men.” There it … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 01:04 AM |
| 1 | People trying to shame women into relationships with bi menI literally quoted you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 12:54 AM |
| 17 | Women can't even take a fraction of the snark they have for men collectively.Your understanding of history appears to come almost entirely from Christian-nationalist apologetics for the patriarchal family. “Politics and economics operated along family lines, which transcended sex” is basically the entire game: take a profoundly gendered institution, call it “the family,” treat that family as a single sexless unit, and suddenly all the power relationships inside it magically disappear. Families did not transcend sex. They were themselves gendered institutions. Who represe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 12:54 AM |
| 18 | Women can't even take a fraction of the snark they have for men collectively.You go ahead and keep LARPing about women being the “advantaged gender.” This fucking week, Todd Blanche is openly talking about the federal government trying to restrict abortion access across the country and make Dobbs “permanent in every single state.” So fuck all the way off with “their mothers and grandmothers.” A 25-year-old woman can get pregnant today and have less control over her own body because of government policy than she would have had a few years ago. And that's hardly the only t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 12:20 AM |
| 5 | Women can't even take a fraction of the snark they have for men collectively.Right, and if they understood those social conditions, they would mean something to them. Understanding why the dating environment looks the way it does, why women respond to certain behaviors the way they do, and what social forces produced those expectations would substantively help someone trying to navigate it. “I can't personally change the entire system” does not somehow make understanding the system useless. And “I'm tall, pretty, and have money” isn't evidence that the system benefits yo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 12:09 AM |
| 3 | Women can't even take a fraction of the snark they have for men collectively.At this point, I don't think you have the historical knowledge base necessary to have this discussion, unless you're deliberately arguing in bad faith. And I don't mean knowledge of feminist theory. I mean basic historical continuity. The 19th Amendment wasn't ratified until 1920. The Equal Credit Opportunity Act wasn't passed until 1974. A woman who had literally been married to a Civil War veteran was alive until 2020. There are women alive today whose mothers and grandmothers lived under expl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 12:05 AM |
| 9 | Women can't even take a fraction of the snark they have for men collectively.So your position is that “normal guys” don't understand how time and causality work? Interesting defense of normal men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/26 11:59 PM |
| 12 | Women can't even take a fraction of the snark they have for men collectively.Yes, a ton of men died in wars. Wars fought under political and military systems overwhelmingly created and controlled by men, which also largely excluded women from combat. And apparently we're just deleting from “historical context” the mass rape, sexual slavery, displacement, forced pregnancy, and other gendered violence inflicted on women during those exact same wars. You don't know enough history for this argument. And yes, women coerce, manipulate, emotionally abuse, lie, and cheat. Nobody… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/26 11:58 PM |
| – | Women can't even take a fraction of the snark they have for men collectively.Historical conditions don't stop affecting people because the people currently alive weren't personally there when they started, you dumb motherfucker. The shit didn't end 20–30 years ago. The laws, institutions, gender roles, sexual norms, economic structures, and cultural attitudes produced by that history are what people in their 20s and 30s were born into. That's what “historical context” fucking means. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/26 11:48 PM |
| 8 | Women can't even take a fraction of the snark they have for men collectively.Im in a pretty misandist place right now but even I am not this bad faith. I give systemic reasons backed by academic research. Stop larping as a victim youre not. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/26 11:47 PM |
| 1 | People trying to shame women into relationships with bi menIt’s my straight partner having gay sex. Again IF THE PROBLEM is THE GAY SEX not the CHEATING. Ill say it a different way if you CARE MORE ABOUT THE GAY SEX THAN THE CHEATING. If the CHEATING IS NOT YOUR PROBLEM BUT THE GAY SEX IS So three different ways. To say what would be homophobic. Does that help? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/26 11:45 PM |
| 1 | People trying to shame women into relationships with bi menSo if the problem is the gay sex and not the cheating yeah you're homophobic. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/26 11:12 PM |
| 1 | Women can't even take a fraction of the snark they have for men collectively.So you have zero reading comprehension? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/26 11:11 PM |
| 68 | Women can't even take a fraction of the snark they have for men collectively.You are comparing “dating snark” as though men and women entered heterosexuality with roughly symmetrical historical and material conditions and women are just inexplicably 100× bitchier about it. Women have dealt with systemic levels of gendered contempt for centuries, not some dude rolling his eyes at their Tinder profile. Women were legally subordinated to husbands, denied independent economic and political power, subjected to marital rape, and expected to organize their lives around men. Rig… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/26 09:58 PM |
| 1 | People trying to shame women into relationships with bi menGood thing I'm not saying anything untrue, then. You explicitly said homosexual behavior becomes disgusting to you when it's performed by a man you might sleep with. I'm calling that homophobic. I never said you're disgusted by every gay person everywhere. You keep changing my claim into something broader because apparently arguing with what I actually fucking said is harder. And comparing this to someone making an untrue claim about trans people is meaningless. What exactly have I said about yo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/26 09:33 PM |
| -1 | People trying to shame women into relationships with bi menIts not race baiting to point out. Its immutable characteristics, not saying race does X or something. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/26 08:55 PM |
| 1 | People trying to shame women into relationships with bi menI get to claim that person is homophobic. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/26 08:37 PM |
| 2 | People trying to shame women into relationships with bi menYou didn't even read what I wrote. The bedroom isn't some magical fucking realm where your judgments become immune from criticism. You can be homophobic and have an absolute right to decide who you fuck. Those aren't mutually exclusive. Nobody is trying to force you to fuck bisexual men. I'm saying that if homosexual behavior itself disgusts you, I can call that homophobic. “But it's my sexual preference” doesn't make the underlying prejudice disappear. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/26 08:15 PM |
| 1 | People trying to shame women into relationships with bi menIslam is an individualistic faith | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/26 07:51 PM |
| 2 | People trying to shame women into relationships with bi menYou're a moron aren't you? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/26 07:34 PM |
| 1 | People trying to shame women into relationships with bi menThe “white” part was inferred because I live in America and was talking about racism against Black people. I didn't think I needed to explicitly identify the hypothetical racist as white for the comparison to function. And yes, I used Black people because Black/white racism is one of the most immediately recognizable examples of discrimination in the U.S. and because it overlaps with my actual lived experience. I'm extremely ethnically ambiguous and dark-skinned. I've been mistaken for Black, Hi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/26 07:26 PM |
| 1 | People trying to shame women into relationships with bi menI use Black/white examples because that racial dynamic is widely understood in the U.S., and because it overlaps substantially with my own experience of racism. I’m ethnically ambiguous and dark-skinned enough that I am frequently perceived as Black, and racists generally do not stop to check my ancestry before treating me accordingly. What I don’t claim is the specific historical and intergenerational experience of Black Americans. That isn’t my history, and I’m conscious of that distinction. B… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/26 07:12 PM |
| 2 | People trying to shame women into relationships with bi menI genuinely don't know how many different ways I can explain this distinction. You are allowed to choose who you fuck. I am allowed to criticize the reasons you give for that choice. Those are two completely separate propositions. I am not defining your sexuality for you. I'm saying “I lose attraction to a man because the thought of him having gay sex disgusts me” is not a necessary feature of heterosexuality. That's your particular aversion to homosexual behavior. You are completely free to hav… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/26 07:09 PM |
| 0 | People trying to shame women into relationships with bi menI get mistaken for black I'm very ambiguous in terms of my ethnic presentation so does it matter if a white guy yells nigger at me if I'm not black but people see it that way? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/26 07:08 PM |
| – | Right movements should peruse happinesses and its OK that men's rights movements have very different approach then feminismAt this point, I genuinely think you're delusional. This is so divorced from basic reality and any recognizable academic understanding of sociology, politics, or human relationships that I don't even know where to begin. It's like being asked to debate whether the color purple is a living organism. Your personal inability to get sex has somehow become a theory of social cohesion, gender war, revolution, and the impending collapse of civilization. This isn't a serious analysis of society. It's an… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/26 07:07 PM |
| – | Right movements should peruse happinesses and its OK that men's rights movements have very different approach then feminismI'm done with this conversation. At this point, you're either arguing irrationally or in bad faith, because you repeatedly don't actually respond to what I'm saying. You change the standard, invent a different argument, or simply declare that whatever I'm talking about doesn't matter to you. I said not every interpretation is equally defensible. Your response was: «Based on what? Another subjective things like the boundaries between human right and a whim?» This is ridiculous. Arguments don't be… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/26 07:03 PM |
| 2 | People trying to shame women into relationships with bi menI'm also a person of color, so no, I don't agree that using race as an analogy is somehow inherently using Black people as “pawns.” I use race because it's one of the quickest and clearest examples of the distinction I'm making. And believe me, as both a POC and a Muslim, I understand perfectly well that being on the receiving end of prejudice isn't fun. But more importantly, I have never argued that anyone should “give someone a chance” or force themselves to date somebody they aren't attracted… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/26 06:55 PM |
| 2 | People trying to shame women into relationships with bi menYou keep describing this as heterosexuality when you're actually describing disgust toward male homosexuality. A straight woman being straight means she's attracted to men. It does not mean she has to be disgusted by a man because he has also been attracted to or slept with men. Nobody is asking you to “accept gay sex into your bed.” If you're sleeping with a bisexual man and he's having sex with you, there is no gay sex occurring in your bed. You are explicitly saying that imagining him having … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/26 06:52 PM |
| 2 | People trying to shame women into relationships with bi menSomeone finally answered what the actual aversion is. It isn't some mysterious, politically neutral force called “attraction.” You are explicitly saying bisexual men would be less disgusting to straight women if they suppressed same-sex behavior, and that imagining a man having consensual sex with another man makes him less desirable because you want him to have confined his sexuality to women. You can dress that up as “acting on sexuality is a choice” if you want, but that's basically the oldes… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/26 06:28 PM |
| 2 | People trying to shame women into relationships with bi menAm I a straight man? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/26 06:23 PM |
| 1 | People trying to shame women into relationships with bi menYou're hell bent on avoiding it for the exact reason you think I'm hell bent on using it it really does show exactly what you think. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/26 05:46 PM |
| 1 | People trying to shame women into relationships with bi menI did answer your question. I explained why "veganphobic" doesn't work as an analogy. Being vegan is a voluntary lifestyle choice. Being bisexual is not. You can stop being vegan. You cannot decide tomorrow that you're no longer bisexual. That's the relevant distinction. If I'm attracted to someone and then learn they're vegan and lose attraction because I don't want a vegan partner, I'm rejecting a lifestyle choice and the behaviors that come with it. That's no different in principle from decid… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/26 05:46 PM |
| 1 | People trying to shame women into relationships with bi menI did answer your question. I explained why "veganphobic" doesn't work as an analogy. Being vegan is a voluntary lifestyle choice. Being bisexual is not. You can stop being vegan. You cannot decide tomorrow that you're no longer bisexual. That's the relevant distinction. If I'm attracted to someone and then learn they're vegan and lose attraction because I don't want a vegan partner, I'm rejecting a lifestyle choice and the behaviors that come with it. That's no different in principle from decid… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/26 05:36 PM |
| 3 | People trying to shame women into relationships with bi menI did answer your question. I explained why "veganphobic" doesn't work as an analogy. Being vegan is a voluntary lifestyle choice. Being bisexual is not. You can stop being vegan. You cannot decide tomorrow that you're no longer bisexual. That's the relevant distinction. If I'm attracted to someone and then learn they're vegan and lose attraction because I don't want a vegan partner, I'm rejecting a lifestyle choice and the behaviors that come with it. That's no different in principle from decid… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/26 05:34 PM |
| 1 | People trying to shame women into relationships with bi menOkay, then explain what is being censored. You don't even need to name a race. My argument doesn't depend on any particular race or any stereotype about one. We can literally call them Race A and Race B if you want. The entire point of the analogy is that we're comparing an immutable characteristic to another immutable characteristic in order to isolate the principle we're arguing about. That's not "race-baiting." I'm not baiting you into saying something racist about a particular group. I'm ask… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/26 05:33 PM |
| 3 | People trying to shame women into relationships with bi menYou wanting the race comparison to be a "cheap argument" doesn't make it one. The reason race makes the point obvious is because it strips away the rhetorical cover you're using and makes the principle easier to see: you absolutely can reject someone because of an immutable characteristic, and you absolutely can be prejudiced for doing so. Those statements aren't contradictory. And "autistic people don't want to be autistic" doesn't even make sense as a response to immutability. Let's use being … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/26 05:26 PM |
| 3 | People trying to shame women into relationships with bi menYou really don't understand any of these terms fat phobia is part of dealing with the fact that all human bodies are not going to be a standard size and that when you fat shame people you're not understanding the massive Health complications or issues that they might have that would stop them from being able to lose weight to a degree that you think is personally beneficial to you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/26 05:22 PM |
| 6 | People trying to shame women into relationships with bi menNo pointing out that we're talking about identity immutable characteristics related to something you are born with and cannot change is not a cheap argument it's just making it easier for you to actually deal with so try. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/26 05:08 PM |
| 6 | People trying to shame women into relationships with bi menYou can't be vegan phobic because it's not an innate characteristic you did this in that way to avoid the actual issue of identity so yeah I didn't answer it because it's not a real question. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/26 05:07 PM |
| 1 | People trying to shame women into relationships with bi menSo many people would be better off if they just took a gender studies 101 class. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/26 05:05 PM |
| 3 | People trying to shame women into relationships with bi menInterpersonally yes socially no that's not a hard answer. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/26 05:04 PM |
| 5 | People trying to shame women into relationships with bi menDon't go with something easy like vegan go with race because you know it makes it clear. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/26 05:04 PM |
| 3 | People trying to shame women into relationships with bi menAgain, saying "I don't want to date him because he's queer" isn't actually explaining anything. We're obviously talking about queer people who are sexually compatible with you and interested in dating you. A bisexual man trying to date a straight woman is attracted to women. So what about him being bisexual makes him suddenly unacceptable? Do you think bisexual men are untrustworthy? More likely to cheat? Incapable of monogamy? Secretly gay? Less masculine because they're attracted to men? Do yo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/26 05:01 PM |
| 5 | People trying to shame women into relationships with bi menYou're again, seemingly in bad faith, avoiding what I'm actually saying. I'm not saying that refusing to date a bisexual person automatically makes you biphobic. I'm saying that if the only reason you're disqualifying someone is that they're bisexual, then the bisexuality itself is what you're negatively reacting to. That is biphobia. Perhaps the problem is that you think "-phobic" only means literally being afraid of something. It doesn't. In this context it also refers to aversion, prejudice, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/26 04:52 PM |
| – | People trying to shame women into relationships with bi menNot wanting to date someone doesn't inherently make you anything-phobic. Not wanting to date someone specifically because they belong to a particular group absolutely can. That's the distinction you're avoiding. Race makes this incredibly obvious. Imagine saying, "I don't date Black people because they're Black." That's racist even though nobody is entitled to date you. There are circumstances where race might correlate with an actual compatibility concern: someone could say, "I grew up in an ex… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/26 04:45 PM |
| 7 | People trying to shame women into relationships with bi menYou're trying really hard to avoid the Clear Point. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/26 04:41 PM |
| 4 | People trying to shame women into relationships with bi menYou are really really want to be a victim nobody said you can't have standards or preferences what people say is that what those centers and preferences are caused by can be good or bad if you don't want to take black people because you don't like black people you can definitely do that you're still a fucking racist. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/26 04:41 PM |
| 0 | People trying to shame women into relationships with bi menYou're not an ally because you're purposely misconstruing discriminate with something proactive in terms of dating you don't have to date anybody in the lgbtqia+ community but if you are actively saying you're not going to date a bisexual person because they're bisexual there is a phobia there by definition. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/26 04:40 PM |
| 4 | People trying to shame women into relationships with bi menBut that's not what they're talking about they're trying to cover being biphobic. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/26 04:35 PM |
| 23 | People trying to shame women into relationships with bi menNobody is saying you're required to stay with him. You keep repeating "women don't owe men intimacy" as though anyone disputed that. The issue is that losing attraction is the result, not the reason. You were attracted to him, you learned he was bisexual, and because he was bisexual you stopped being attracted to him. The bisexuality itself is what produced the aversion. That's fundamentally different from my wife potentially deciding she can't remain married to me because I'm trans. She entered… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/26 04:34 PM |
| 5 | People trying to shame women into relationships with bi menNo you can only be an ally if you don't discriminate against people who are lgbtqi plus you left out the i by the way | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/26 04:31 PM |
| 9 | People trying to shame women into relationships with bi menYes, it can absolutely be homophobic. You still don't have to date or fuck anyone. Those are two completely separate propositions. Nobody is entitled to your body, but bodily autonomy does not magically make every reason behind your choices immune from criticism. If a white woman refuses to date a man specifically because she discovers he's Black, she still has every right to say no. Nobody should force or pressure her into dating him. That doesn't mean racism somehow ceases to exist because she… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/26 04:30 PM |
| – | Right movements should peruse happinesses and its OK that men's rights movements have very different approach then feminismYou're doing the same thing again: taking every social change you personally dislike, inserting “because feminism” into the middle of it, and acting like you've demonstrated causation. Yes, premarital sex is haram in Islam. That doesn't make Islam and feminism equivalent theories of sexuality. Islam is a religion containing moral prescriptions about permissible sexual behavior. Feminism is a collection of political, social and academic traditions concerned with gender, power and equality. Femini… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/26 04:17 PM |
| 8 | Women using men for money and resources is normalised by society.“In short, how you gendered it.” HOW I GENDERED IT? The fucking post I am responding to is literally titled “Women using men for money and resources is normalised by society.” It then spends multiple paragraphs talking about WOMEN exploiting MEN, what society teaches WOMEN is FEMININE, what society teaches MEN is MASCULINE, and how MEN supposedly have to provide for WOMEN to be considered “real men.” What possible non-gendered response do you imagine exists to that argument? Yes, shithead, my ex… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/26 03:50 PM |
| 1 | Most women aren't feministic enoughYou're defending a proposition I didn't disagree with. Yes, human decision-making is influenced by emotion, heuristics, implicit processes, motivated reasoning, social identification, and cognitive biases. I never claimed humans are perfectly rational Cartesian machines. I specifically objected to your explanation that our decisions are mostly made by the “limbic system (the emotional brain)” while the prefrontal cortex is “the thinking brain” that merely gives the final say. Adding “well, obvio… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/26 03:46 PM |
| 3 | Women using men for money and resources is normalised by society.What was historical inaccurate? Or will you avoid it for a second time? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/26 03:37 PM |
| – | Right movements should peruse happinesses and its OK that men's rights movements have very different approach then feminism“Everything you said is subjective” is not the devastating argument you think it is. Yes, social concepts involve interpretation. That does not mean every interpretation is equally defensible or that you can “turn it upside down” by swapping nouns around. I would genuinely love an example where you successfully invert the actual structural argument instead of making up an analogy that removes the structure being analyzed. Your “fat-assing” example is exactly that. People with larger bodies may p… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/26 03:35 PM |
| 3 | Women using men for money and resources is normalised by society.And avoiding being called out is what? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/26 03:20 PM |
| 4 | Women using men for money and resources is normalised by society.What exactly did I present in a “misleading way”? Be specific. Because just declaring something misleading without identifying the historical claim that's supposedly wrong isn't an argument. And you are one of the actual bigots you're supposedly interested in fighting. You just don't recognize it, which makes the sanctimony here fucking incredible. You treat the particular version of social progress you personally became comfortable with as the stopping point and then regard the next extension o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/26 02:56 PM |
| 2 | Women using men for money and resources is normalised by society.Watch them avoid it like the plague lol | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/26 02:23 PM |
| 8 | Women using men for money and resources is normalised by society.Oh my fucking God, it's almost like we live in a transitional period where the world is changing and centuries of gendered economic structures didn't magically disappear overnight. Yes, there are women who expect men to provide financially. Do you have any idea why that expectation exists? For most of modern capitalist history, women had substantially less independent access to property, credit, wages, education, professions, and political power while simultaneously being expected to perform eno… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/26 12:31 PM |
| 1 | Most women aren't feministic enoughBut that literally is how the world works. Every mass political, religious, philosophical, or social movement involving millions of people necessarily contains enormous numbers of people with only a superficial understanding of it. There is no logistically possible world in which everyone who identifies with feminism first develops an academically sophisticated understanding of feminist theory. And frankly, expecting that is incredibly privileged and ableist. People have different educational ba… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/26 12:27 PM |
| 7 | Right movements should peruse happinesses and its OK that men's rights movements have very different approach then feminismFirst, comparing Islam and feminism as two versions of the same puritanism is fucking historically illiterate. Islam, for its time, was incredibly feminist. It created rights and protections for women in a society where women had very little power to protect themselves from men. Even the original purpose of the burqa was fundamentally protective: men are going to sexualize you, so here is one of the forms of power available to you—you decide who deserves to see you. That has been twisted into so… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/26 12:07 PM |
| 4 | Right movements should peruse happinesses and its OK that men's rights movements have very different approach then feminismThis is exactly what privilege makes you blind to. Manspreading and mansplaining weren't fucking invented by feminists. We gave names to things women were already experiencing. If someone takes up half your seat because he can't close his fucking legs, he's being rude. Women noticed that this behavior was disproportionately associated with men and gave the pattern a name. Women were being condescended to by men long before somebody coined “mansplaining.” Giving people language to describe an exi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/26 11:49 AM |
| 17 | Right movements should peruse happinesses and its OK that men's rights movements have very different approach then feminismThe idea that feminists are “taught to view things as problematic” is already bullshit framing. Feminism doesn't train women to look at perfectly neutral shit and arbitrarily decide it's evil. Feminist theory gives you tools for understanding how social systems actually work—who has power, who bears costs, what incentives exist, whose choices are constrained, and what prevents people from participating on equitable terms. Then, unsurprisingly, once you understand those systems, you start noticin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/26 12:33 AM |
| 9 | Is it possible that some women just don't understand what makes sex so meaningful to others?Yes. Why wouldn't that be possible? Women aren't some fucking monolith with one universal female relationship to sex. Some women, like some men, simply don't experience sex as inherently profound, romantic, or emotionally transformative. I don't. I could go out today, have a bunch of sex, and tomorrow I'd be fundamentally the same person. Maybe a little sore in places, but emotionally the same. I've known plenty of women who are similar. Other women attach enormous emotional significance to sex.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/08/26 05:54 PM |
| 1 | Most women aren't feministic enoughYou're accusing me of selecting bad representatives of Red Pill, but who exactly are the representatives I'm unfairly ignoring? That's precisely the distinction I've been making. If I represented feminism entirely through some idiot TikToker, you could point me toward feminist scholars, academic journals, foundational texts, competing schools of feminist theory, and enormous bodies of scholarship and say, “No, engage with this.” So do that for Red Pill. Who are the respected academics who identi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/08/26 04:30 PM |
| 4 | Most women aren't feministic enoughNo, you can't say this about any ideology, because ideologies actually have substantive commitments. Try doing this with fascism, Nazism, or white supremacy. You can't rescue them by saying, “Well, the real version is about freedom and self-improvement,” because domination and hierarchy aren't misunderstandings of those ideologies. They're part of the fucking ideology. And your Red Pill example especially doesn't work because you're missing what I mean by pop feminism. Pop feminism is downstream… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/08/26 03:28 PM |
| 12 | Most women aren't feministic enoughMost mass movements are pushed forward by people who have no fucking clue what the academic literature behind their beliefs actually says. That's just the unfortunate reality of mass politics. Pop feminism isn't some unique corruption of feminism; it's what happens when an enormous, complicated body of political and academic thought gets translated into something millions of ordinary people can actually understand, repeat, and use. And that's useful. I can talk at length about the systemic patri… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/08/26 01:27 PM |
| 0 | White knights and simps need to stop it.They are performative as the red pill morons who take every opportunity to attack women and feminism. At least they dont make the world worse though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/08/26 03:22 AM |
| 1 | What would you have preferred instead of MeToo?Solidarity | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/08/26 01:31 AM |
| 1 | What would you have preferred instead of MeToo?Context and audience matter. If I were in a library talking to a twelve-year-old who said something misogynistic, obviously I wouldn't use the same rhetoric I use here. If I were specifically trying to introduce feminism to an average skeptical man who had never seriously engaged with it, I wouldn't talk to him this way either. But I'm on PurplePillDebate, a subreddit specifically devoted to adults arguing about gender, dating, feminism, and the Red Pill. I'm not always trying to sell feminism t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/08/26 01:02 AM |
| 1 | What would you have preferred instead of MeToo?You're still attributing a position to me that I have explicitly told you I don't hold. Critiquing feminist praxis does not make someone an opponent of feminism or Me Too. You yourself said you disagreed with aspects of Me Too's methodology but thought overall it was a good thing. I explicitly told you that means you aren't part of the group I'm talking about. Critiquing the praxis of a movement while supporting its underlying goals is still supporting the movement. So please stop returning to “… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/08/26 12:38 AM |
| 1 | What would you have preferred instead of MeToo?The problem with writing so little is that the things you're asking aren't actually small questions. By definition, misogyny involves viewing women as inferior to men and therefore as legitimately subject to male dominance or subordination. That doesn't require believing women should literally possess zero legal rights or zero capacity to make choices. Plenty of racists believe Black people should have legal rights and individual choices while still believing they're inferior. That doesn't magic… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/26 11:59 PM |
| 1 | What would you have preferred instead of MeToo?You haven't shown how ive been imprecise or inaccurate. Try writing more than two sentences. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/26 11:32 PM |
| 1 | What would you have preferred instead of MeToo?Okay if youre done and cant respond so be it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/26 11:14 PM |
| 1 | What would you have preferred instead of MeToo?There is a comma separating clauses. Youre proving you are functionally illiterate. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/26 10:06 PM |
| 1 | What would you have preferred instead of MeToo?Try again this time respond to my actual statements not the ones you imagine I am saying. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/26 09:46 PM |
| 1 | What would you have preferred instead of MeToo?No its people who object, if you support it even grudgingly you wouldnt be included. You really cant read can you or is it a habit to make up positions for women you talk to? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/26 09:31 PM |
| 1 | What would you have preferred instead of MeToo?Okay so then ya you are included because the point of the comment is criticizing metoo even that way is easier than forcing your fellow men. You dont want to empower women you want to bitch women do it the wrong way. It ends up being easier for you if women couldnt say no, or ill amend it are a massive misogynist. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/26 09:08 PM |
| 1 | What would you have preferred instead of MeToo?Okay so what is your point. Men who are against metoo wish women couldnt say no. You claim to not be against metoo. Youre not who im talking about. When I see someone take these things personally it just makes me think cis white man. Definitely privilege at least. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/26 08:58 PM |
| 5 | Men, would you truly be open to a truly egalitarian relationship where neither partner is expected to fulfill a certain role based on gender or traditional gender roles based relationship?Some men do, my sisters husband is amazing, but growing up men tried to push that unequal as the norm. Obviously they always sounded moronic to especially me. I didnt know I was trans then but I was still a feminist as a child. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/26 08:52 PM |
| 1 | What would you have preferred instead of MeToo?What's your argument against metoo. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/26 08:09 PM |
| 1 | What would you have preferred instead of MeToo?Okay, so you only technically dont want women to be able to say no. You want to give a reason im incorrect or is it just a vague feeling? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/26 07:21 PM |
| 1 | What would you have preferred instead of MeToo?Is there a point? I clarify the group now you need me to clarify the position? Do you want me to give the counter argument too? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/26 06:19 PM |
| 3 | Would you marry a guy who thinks your mid?Women are told every fucking day by society writ large that we're never attractive enough, thin enough, young enough, feminine enough, whatever. So no, I don't think most women need their partner to believe they're objectively the hottest woman he's ever seen. What matters considerably more is whether he finds her attractive, loves her, respects her, is kind to her, cherishes her, and actually makes her feel desired. That said, if he's drunkenly ranking her as “mid” against his hotter exes and e… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/26 06:18 PM |
| 1 | What would you have preferred instead of MeToo?Men who criticize or have any issues with the metoo movement in any way. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/26 06:15 PM |
| 0 | Q4women would you be ok with your partner using sex toys?You provably didn't understand my comment. You didn't even represent what I said correctly when you could have literally fucking copy-pasted it. I never said you need to treat a sex toy like a person. I said the problem is when you treat people like sex toys—specifically when women are reduced to vaginas and the toy is described as superior because it doesn't have those pesky human qualities like needs, desires, boundaries, or the ability to reject you. “A dildo is basically a dick without a man… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/26 03:56 PM |
| 1 | Q4women would you be ok with your partner using sex toys?You could stand some literacy tutoring because you dont understand my comment. Try rereading it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/26 03:31 PM |
| 0 | Q4women would you be ok with your partner using sex toys?Being unable to conceptualize abstract and complex issues isn't an ideology; it's a deficiency. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/26 03:30 PM |
| 0 | Why do many women consider men who are afraid to approach the women they like less masculine?Masculinity is enforced by men mostly | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/26 10:21 AM |
| 1 | The sexual revolution didn't liberate women; it just turned female intimacy into a cheap, free commodity for men.So just say you don't know what sex was actually like for women before the sexual revolution, because this is a lot of fucking words to say exactly that. Before the sexual revolution, women weren't sitting on some enormous pile of “sexual leverage,” exchanging access to their bodies for commitment, investment, and protection. Their sexuality was heavily controlled by men, marriage, religion, law, and social stigma. Women couldn't even openly masturbate without it being pathologized as deviant. M… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/26 12:40 AM |
| 4 | Men: would you date women if you would never get access to their bodies?Of course they will say no. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/26 11:22 PM |
| 5 | Q4women would you be ok with your partner using sex toys?I don't think women generally have a problem with male sex toys. At least from a feminist perspective, the criticism I've seen isn't usually that men use toys; it's how some male sex toys are marketed and talked about. There have been toys marketed around things like “virgin” fantasies, and some men talk about masturbators or sex dolls in ways that explicitly reduce women to interchangeable holes or body parts. That's where it gets gross. The issue isn't a man owning a Fleshlight, vibrator, pros… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/26 10:39 PM |
| 2 | "Preferred" Male is a much more accurate descriptor than "Alpha" MaleKind of hard to talk to a person who gets their answer in two different ways and cant follow. Its pretty easy to see you are saying they are seeing the same issues because of the algo they have. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/26 09:53 PM |
| 0 | "Preferred" Male is a much more accurate descriptor than "Alpha" MaleTo start with, you being unsuccessful with women when you supposedly had beliefs more like mine does not fucking matter. Your personal dating history is not evidence about women as a class. It is anecdote, and not even particularly relevant anecdote. Regarding David Buss: no, I don't treat “David Buss says this” as the trump card you apparently think it is. You're appealing to a 73-year-old academic whose framework still overwhelmingly treats human mating psychology through a heterosexual male/f… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/26 08:58 PM |
| 2 | "Preferred" Male is a much more accurate descriptor than "Alpha" MaleTwenty years in a relationship doesn't mean you understand women as a class. That's a nonsense response. Being married to one woman for twenty years doesn't establish that you understand some supposedly universal subconscious process governing female mate selection. And no, you empirically don't understand what those evo-psych arguments establish. The kind of pop evo-psych bullshit you're repeating has been criticized for exactly this reason: you observe some behavior in modern humans, invent a … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/26 07:35 PM |
| 3 | "Preferred" Male is a much more accurate descriptor than "Alpha" MaleSo I gave you a bunch of specific reasons why I disagree with you, and your response is that I'm “too emotionally charged”? That's not an argument. That's just a convenient way to avoid engaging with anything I actually said. I explicitly challenged your understanding of the research you're gesturing toward, your interpretation of animal social behavior, your attempt to transfer those observations onto humans, and your assumptions about women's preferences under modern material conditions. You h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/26 06:19 PM |
| 1 | "Preferred" Male is a much more accurate descriptor than "Alpha" MaleActually, I said that you don't understand what those evo-psych papers are saying, and you don't understand the flaws in their methodology. Pointing out that social animals have complex interpersonal relationships isn't agreeing with you; it's explaining why your reductive analogy doesn't work in the first place. The first paragraph is an attack, yes. It's an explanation of why I find this so funny. You know just enough about this subject to confidently draw conclusions that the evidence you're … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/26 05:37 PM |
| 0 | "Preferred" Male is a much more accurate descriptor than "Alpha" MaleThis is so weird. It reads like you’ve never actually had relationships with women and instead learned human behavior from pop evolutionary psychology. And the funniest part is that the “alpha” framework you’re replacing with “preferred male” isn’t even an accurate description of wolves or primates. These are often close-knit social and family groups with complicated relationships, alliances, cooperation, caregiving, and conflict resolution. You know just enough biology to confidently misunderst… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/26 04:42 PM |
| 21 | "The ick" is an excellent example of how modern women encourage narcissistic self glorification among each otherThere’s this weird thing men do that amounts to societal-level gaslighting on an epic scale: ignore your worry about that man. Ignore your suspicion about that situation. You’re overreacting. You’re paranoid. Give him a chance. Don’t be judgmental. Be nice. Go look at the feminist interpretation of Bluebeard. This is an old fucking story. Women are repeatedly socialized to override discomfort and suspicion in order to accommodate men, even when those feelings are telling them that something is w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/26 01:35 PM |
| 1 | Heteronormative dating is what's making you all miserableComp het is just moronic | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/08/26 09:12 PM |
| -2 | Letting women pay for themselves on dates is a great way to vet and filter them.Just put on a full face of makeup. Seriously. You're so divorced from reality that you don't even understand, even in passing, all the shit women have to pay for and all the systemic reasons this practice exists. You're not vetting for thoughtful or independent women. You're mostly vetting for women who are willing or able to absorb yet another cost in a dating culture where they're already expected to spend far more time, money, and emotional labor just to show up. You know what would actually … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/08/26 07:57 PM |
| -2 | If a person gives up their career to become a homemaker, they should be compensated for their loss of incomeThey arent capable of either long term thinking or good faith. I dont know which one though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/08/26 07:17 PM |
| – | If a person gives up their career to become a homemaker, they should be compensated for their loss of incomeThis gets insanely aggravating. Is it just you or men in whole that cant think one second after you jazz? She is loosing and needs to be compensated for the earnings of her life time including after a man gets bored and leaves with just a check to support her. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/08/26 06:14 PM |
| 1 | If you were a straight woman, what kind of man would you go for?I answered you dont like what I said is a you problem. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/08/26 05:21 PM |
| 1 | If you were a straight woman, what kind of man would you go for?Answering a question about what you would look for in a man with breasts and at the least a neo or cis vagina. You really are the most bad faith. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/08/26 04:45 PM |
| 0 | If you were a straight woman, what kind of man would you go for?Youre as obvious as Fuentes asking about cookies. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/08/26 02:54 PM |
| 0 | If you were a straight woman, what kind of man would you go for?atleast B cup chest, shouldn't have dick, In response to you were a straight woman, what kind of man would you go for? Im thinking youre dealing with some homophobia yourself. You hopefully dont think phobia here means fear. Being incapable of seeing the other commentators homophobia is a similar. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/08/26 01:16 PM |
| 1 | If you were a straight woman, what kind of man would you go for?Couldn't even engage with the hypothetical because your homophobia got too triggered the moment you are asked to imagine finding a man attractive. You should know you cant pray the gay away, when youre ready to come out of the closet there is help. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/08/26 12:50 PM |
| 7 | If you were a straight woman, what kind of man would you go for?This is th best question for men ive seen. Especially the red pill, men really love being attractive for other men and being attractive to women is an after if never thought. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/08/26 12:07 PM |
| 5 | CMV: People who complain that stay-at-home dads don't pull their weight in housework are people who were never interested in the lifestyle in the first place and thus should not have an opinion on the relationship styleSeriously though other than i want a rich woman and hope she doesn't see i still dont pull my weight is he trying to say? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/08/26 12:48 AM |
| 1 | Young men are likely more single than young women because the latter are dating each otherThis is a strange conclusion. I think what you're actually seeing is something the queer community, especially queer women, have been talking about for decades: compulsory heterosexuality is finally starting to lose its grip. Women didn't suddenly become bi or lesbian between 2011 and 2026. They're increasingly free to recognize and live those identities openly instead of defaulting into heterosexual relationships because that's what society expected. Queer people have always existed. Every cult… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/26 06:10 PM |
| 6 | A lot of feminists would ironically hate it if most men took Feminism seriously.Yeah. The Red Pill is authoritarian by its very nature. It assumes there is one correct way to be a man and one correct way to be a woman, then tells everyone else they're defective if they don't conform. That's why the Red Pill can't understand freedom. It mistakes "you don't have to" for "you're not allowed to." Those are completely different ideas. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/26 05:31 PM |
| 2 | A lot of feminists would ironically hate it if most men took Feminism seriously.Again, you're not saying anything novel here. Feminists have been talking about the fact that individual preferences can collectively reproduce social norms for decades. That's one of the reasons feminism critiques systems instead of blaming individual women for making individual choices. Ideals are aspirational. Political and cultural ideals exist precisely because society doesn't change overnight. The point is to create the conditions where future generations inherit different expectations tha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/26 04:54 PM |
| 2 | A lot of feminists would ironically hate it if most men took Feminism seriously.No, you're still missing the point. The fact that people have different political beliefs, cultural critiques, and personal preferences isn't a contradiction. That's just how human beings work. I have Muslim family members I will never be able to come out to because I know how they'd react. They also would never vote to take away my rights or support criminalizing my existence. There isn't some grand contradiction there. They understand the difference between what they believe for themselves and… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/26 04:38 PM |
| 8 | A lot of feminists would ironically hate it if most men took Feminism seriously.The Red Pill is based on delusional version of reality and ridge conformity of course they dont understand freedom of choice. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/26 04:29 PM |
| 6 | A lot of feminists would ironically hate it if most men took Feminism seriously.Yeah, I think that's exactly right. OP is arguing against a caricature of feminism. Outside of some fringe positions—and obviously excluding TERFs—the thing most feminists broadly agree on isn't that everyone should reject traditional gender roles. It's that compulsory heterosexuality and compulsory gender conformity shouldn't be imposed as societal expectations. If you want a traditional heterosexual relationship, have one. If you enjoy traditional masculinity or femininity, great. If you want … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/26 04:27 PM |
| 3 | A lot of feminists would ironically hate it if most men took Feminism seriously.What's the official doctrine of Christianity? Which of the thousands of denominations is the "real" Christianity? What's the official doctrine of the Democratic Party? Socialism? Liberalism? There isn't one. That's how broad intellectual, political, and religious traditions work. You keep insisting you never said feminism was a hive mind, but then you titled your post "10 ways men can take feminism seriously that would ironically piss feminists off." Which feminists? Sex-positive feminists? Radi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/26 04:24 PM |
| 8 | What would you have preferred instead of MeToo?They would have preferred to not have women be able to say no in the first place from what I see. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/26 04:13 PM |
| 5 | A lot of feminists would ironically hate it if most men took Feminism seriously.I think I understand the problem. You seem to think feminism is a single organization with one official doctrine that every feminist is required to believe. It isn't. Feminism is an umbrella of movements, theories, and schools of thought united by the broad goal of advancing women's social, political, and economic equality. Feminists disagree with each other all the time about strategy, policy, sexuality, gender, pornography, capitalism, and dozens of other issues because they're human beings, n… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/26 04:11 PM |
| – | If body count doesn't matter, why do women thenselves report feeling used after sex if it doesn't lead to a relationship?No. You're describing two completely different situations. If two people agree to casual sex and one of them decides afterward they aren't interested in another date, that isn't using someone. If someone lies or deliberately misrepresents their intentions because they know the other person only wants sex within the context of a developing relationship, then they obtained consent under false pretenses. They used deception to get sex they otherwise wouldn't have had. Normalizing that kind of decep… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/26 11:34 AM |
| 1 | This is why we say all men.Lindsay Clancy is a woman who was fundamentally failed by a medical system that has historically centered men's bodies, routinely under-researched women's health, and catastrophically underserved pregnant and postpartum women. She suffered from postpartum psychosis, one of the clearest examples of how women's health has been neglected. She experienced an unimaginable loss because warning signs were minimized and treatment failed her long before her children died. You're a fucking monster for try… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/26 10:44 AM |
| – | If body count doesn't matter, why do women thenselves report feeling used after sex if it doesn't lead to a relationship?You're conflating casual sex with being lied to. Those women don't feel used because they had sex. They feel used because they thought they were building a relationship and the guy was pretending to want the same thing. If two people honestly agree to casual sex, nobody has been used. This is only confusing if you deliberately ignore the deception. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/26 10:37 AM |
| – | If you, as a woman, pay for half the date, you are agreeing that a man is entitled to your body.Congratulations | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/26 12:27 AM |
| 1 | This is why we say all men.A few days ago it was made public yet another man in the house of Representatives is an abuser, and what does the abuser in chef say? Its not just the those two, its that when men have a chance to do anything to fix this nothing changes. I know group guilt, im the most minority you get, but growing up its all the shit dads around us would say low level shit. Its always just shy just enough cover, or they just dont even realize which is worse. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/08/26 11:30 PM |
| 2 | Most men would cheat if given the opportunityWe are on ideological opposite sides so you not agreeing is expected. Do men "want" or are they treating it as a form of validation? Of course there are men who view women as sex toys or want young women because they cant handle adults with agency (our fucking president being an example) but older women are beautiful, its not like when a woman hits menopause she turns ugly. Thats capitalism induced psychosis in men. I wouldn't give men the escape hatch of biology, mostly because what we find att… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/08/26 06:46 PM |
| 3 | Most men would cheat if given the opportunityTRP agrees with this and it's full of morons, so I'm not sure that's much of an endorsement. It isn't "male sexual nature" to be poly. Human beings exist on a distribution. Some people are monogamous, some are serially monogamous, and some are poly. That's true regardless of sex. If you removed centuries of religious conditioning, you'd probably see a very different set of sexual norms. Even then, you'd still have capitalism commodifying sex, relationships, and youth in ways that distort people'… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/08/26 05:56 PM |
| 7 | Most men would cheat if given the opportunityI think what you're seeing is that the average man experiences sexual opportunity as relatively scarce, so when an opportunity does arise, it can carry much more weight. For many women, casual sex is comparatively accessible, so a random opportunity isn't especially valuable. If a woman cheats, it's often because something else is driving it—dissatisfaction in the relationship, emotional connection with someone else, revenge, or some other unmet need—rather than simply "an opportunity appeared."… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/08/26 05:52 PM |
| 1 | This is why we say all men.No I'm willing to judge all men based on the fact rape culture has continued despite all these men saying they protect women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/08/26 05:48 PM |
| – | Many women here can't seem to differentiate between consent and making a pass at a womanIve tried a few times to discuss consent with these guys and yes they have no fucking clue what consnet actually is. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/08/26 11:16 AM |
| – | Many women here can't seem to differentiate between consent and making a pass at a womanOr people just realized human rights? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/08/26 11:15 AM |
| – | Many women here can't seem to differentiate between consent and making a pass at a womanNo, you just don't know what consent is. An initial approach isn't the problem. If a guy walks up, says hello, flirts a little, realizes she's not interested, and politely leaves, virtually no woman is going to think twice about it. The problem is what usually happens next. He keeps talking after she's made it clear she's isn't interested. He ignores short answers, body language, attempts to leave, or an explicit "no." That's where it stops being a normal social interaction and becomes harassmen… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/08/26 11:15 AM |
| – | Western men in dating apps rejected their society long before they started datingYou don't understand these concepts and specially privilege well enough to have this discussion if you think you havent benefitted nor do you understand the laws if you believe women have "more rights". I cant fix that in a reddit comment. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/08/26 09:48 AM |
| 1 | Women objectively have it better than men in the modern western worldWork on reading comprehension and logic too. History contextualizes the present, which is why I am talking about today not tomorrow. Stop trying to change what I say because you cant actually argue my actual words. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/08/26 02:22 AM |
| 21 | do you wish to be a purpose for men?I've said this many, many times, and I'll keep saying it: y'all need therapy. You need to talk to a mental health professional, because this is not a healthy way to relate to other people. You should never place so much of your identity, purpose, or reason for living into another person or into a future that isn't guaranteed. It's great to have goals. It's great to want a partner and a family. It's important to love your partner and be reciprocal. But another person should not be the thing that … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/08/26 01:12 AM |
| 2 | Women objectively have it better than men in the modern western worldHistory = cope 👍 Mayby develop basic human empathy and read a history book? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/26 11:24 PM |
| – | Western men in dating apps rejected their society long before they started datingTrying to explain the sociological reasons women support Trump is not excusing it. By your logic, understanding why rape victims don't report is excusing rape. Understanding why abused children defend abusive parents is excusing abuse. Understanding why some enslaved people identified with or defended their enslavers is excusing slavery. That's not how social science works. Systems shape people's beliefs and behavior. White Christian nationalist churches explicitly teach women to submit to male … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/26 10:41 PM |
| – | Western men in dating apps rejected their society long before they started datingEverything that criticizes men or uses feminism is rage bate to you. Such a snowflake as you would say | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/26 10:29 PM |
| – | Western men in dating apps rejected their society long before they started datingSee the response to the other ignorant guy who wants to pretend the social context is not there. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/26 10:27 PM |
| – | Western men in dating apps rejected their society long before they started datingWomen raised in Christian nationalist church's for the most part. A culture that trains them to disregard their own views. Its why a growing minority are accepting house hold voting. Trying to survive under patriarchy is not the same as the men who run it. If you want to pretend women are treated as true equals youre delusional. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/26 10:27 PM |
| – | Western men in dating apps rejected their society long before they started datingAnd all the men who supported him knowing hes a fucking child rapist. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/26 10:09 PM |
| – | Western men in dating apps rejected their society long before they started datingIt's not just western men, its just the rest of the world isnt as progressive. Men unless forced it seems are unwilling to accept mortality. The reason, other than to protect child abusers, we are in Iran is because an old man afraid of death is trying to force some type of legacy. He is emblematic of masculinity. Destroy and control. Its how they define it. All the pro social traits have been labeled feminine. As long as these men are slaves to the patriarchy (through the red pill) they will ne… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/26 09:56 PM |
| – | What do you think of this look?I don't think it's any of the things you listed. My first impression isn't "gay," "trans," or "fashion crime." It just looks inexpensive. The shorts don't look particularly well-tailored, and the exposed underwear doesn't read as a deliberate styling choice. Together they make the outfit look like it doesn't fit properly rather than like someone making a bold fashion statement. That's class signaling more than anything else. Even knowing how much fashion is tied up with classism, my immediate re… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/26 02:15 PM |
| 1 | Why the double-standard with approval of hairstyle between men and women.What do you think the world is like for women? No you didnt and I'll let everyone else determine who is disingenuous. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/26 12:24 AM |
| 1 | Why the double-standard with approval of hairstyle between men and women.You still haven't answered the question. You just ignored the explanation and pivoted to a different hypothetical. So if you cant or dont answer that I wont respond. You're treating these reactions as though they exist in the same social context. They don't. Women are judged on their appearance from the time they're little girls. Their bodies, faces, hair, weight, skin, makeup—everything is treated as public property for commentary. That's why a negative comment about a woman's appearance isn't … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/26 11:04 PM |
| 1 | This is why we say all men.Men are the ones who control churches. They write the doctrine, run the institutions, decide how abuse is handled, and overwhelmingly commit the abuse. The church is a patriarchal institution. Boys were targeted in part because patriarchy and homophobia make them even less likely to disclose. If a boy comes forward, he risks being blamed, emasculated, or treated as though the abuse somehow says something about his sexuality. That's another mechanism that protects abusers. That's exactly what rap… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/26 10:13 PM |
| 0 | This is why we say all men.Considering men's are the ones doing the abuse no it doesn't cuz it's meant to help them not hurt them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/26 09:53 PM |
| 7 | Why the double-standard with approval of hairstyle between men and women.Really? You don't even have to be a woman to understand this. A haircut doesn't change the shape of your face. It frames your face. A beard literally grows out of your face and dramatically changes how your face looks. Shaving it off is a much bigger visual change, so of course it's more jarring. It's closer to showing up with a giant dragon tattooed across your cheek than it is to getting a trim. And the second point is where you people completely lose the plot. What do you think the world is l… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/26 09:53 PM |
| 1 | This is why we say all men.You the individual | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/26 07:39 PM |
| 1 | This is why we say all men.No were a political scapegoat terfs dont give a shit about trans men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/26 07:39 PM |
| 1 | This is why we say all men.How much niceness would be needed to deal with the Confederate slave owners? One side is right and the other are men who say rape jokes. Whites who were abolitionists had no problem with saying it is white people and all whites till the practice was stopped. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/26 07:38 PM |
| 1 | This is why we say all men.Neutral when it doesnt harm you is support. Youre the type to turn in run away slaves or hiding Jewish people. You dont get a medal for having a functional morality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/26 07:34 PM |
| 1 | This is why we say all men.Are you really unable to understand or are you just bad faith on principle? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/26 07:31 PM |
| 1 | This is why we say all men.TERFS and the growing lgb without the T movement are a very small portion and they are trying to protect themselves by playing the model minority who think supplication will keep them safe. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/26 07:30 PM |
| 1 | This is why we say all men.When it comes to human rights? You go ahead and ve on the anti human rights side if you want | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/26 07:26 PM |
| -1 | This is why we say all men.The power dynamics and culture women grow up under have to be a factor. Women who grew up conservative especially are more likely to be raised under a church. Church's are designed and function to force submission and conformity. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/26 05:54 PM |
| 0 | This is why we say all men.It's almost like I dont care about who said the rape joke, just that no one pushed back and the network hasn't apologized or punished him. Funny | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/26 05:28 PM |
| 0 | This is why we say all men.I dont know why they specifically are referring to and if its walters his past doesn't fucking matter as his statement exists outside of his past. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/26 05:09 PM |
| 0 | This is why we say all men.Who are you talking about? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/26 04:33 PM |
| -1 | This is why we say all men.I never let that pass when I was still presenting as a man. When I was a freshman in high school I spent 20 minutes explaining why the guys period joke was wrong and then explaining the entire menstrual cycle. Unless you are actively challenging it youre supporting it. Sure im not exactly a good example considering where I am today but got okay with saying all men when I presented as a man because I understand patriarchy. If you are offended by all men it implies you are one, or you could say, y… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/26 04:32 PM |
| 1 | What do women truly think about masculinity?At a high sociological level, masculinity isn't a personality. It's a collection of behaviors, presentations, and expectations that societies associate with men. The problem is that when you treat those expectations as rules instead of options, masculinity becomes a cage. It limits how you're allowed to express affection, vulnerability, aesthetics, interests, and even friendship. Ironically, that's often less attractive than simply being authentic. Most people aren't attracted to "maximum mascul… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/26 04:25 PM |
| 2 | This is why we say all men.And all the best comics in the world think youre morons. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/26 04:20 PM |
| 1 | This is why we say all men.WHITE being an important part. They are also generally Christian nationalists raised in churches that train women to be sexually abused so not the dunk you think. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/26 04:19 PM |
| 1 | I'm tired of the lying and the Gaslighting. Women approaching men has MORE advantages then if a guy approaches women.I don't necessarily blame you guys for not understanding it but, privilege must be such a fucking great drug. Ive literally spent my life being knowing none of this shit is for people like me and I have to fight to exist. I cant imagine what life would be like without that weight. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/26 04:17 PM |
| 4 | I'm tired of the lying and the Gaslighting. Women approaching men has MORE advantages then if a guy approaches women.The reason you think this is because you dont understand women have support structures and dont need to date as desperately. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/26 03:54 PM |
| 1 | I'm tired of the lying and the Gaslighting. Women approaching men has MORE advantages then if a guy approaches women.You never thought the group most abused by another would see them as a threat? I know I dont know you but that is the most white cis het thing I think I will see today. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/26 03:53 PM |
| 2 | I'm tired of the lying and the Gaslighting. Women approaching men has MORE advantages then if a guy approaches women.Its almost like women are not horny enough to risk rape. Guess what thats never changing. I posted about this just today. As long as rape culture is dominant the risk out weighs any "advantages" you imagine. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/26 03:52 PM |
| 5 | This is why we say all men.If the joke was they try to rape and get raped the punch line being an innocent woman trying to live is what makes it a bad joke. Its punching down. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/26 03:12 PM |
| -1 | This is why we say all men.They love to do this. Its where you go when you clearly need to hide from the truth. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/26 02:51 PM |
| 1 | This is why we say all men.Explain the joke explicitly. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/26 02:50 PM |
| 0 | This is why we say all men.Or you can see a world where you understand basic logic realizing that being part of a group comes with shit. All minorities understand this and the difference is where power exists. White people are responsible for slavery. Are all white people guilty? Do you really think its reasonable for an oppressed group to cater to the feelings of the oppressors? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/26 02:44 PM |
| 1 | This is why we say all men.Its strange no man here could possibly have understood the post. Smh | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/26 02:37 PM |
| 2 | This is why we say all men.So youre just bad faith? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/26 01:38 PM |
| 0 | This is why we say all men.Just like how white Americans dont like hearing black Americans talk. Men are the ones in power. I have the same response. You can take it personally but you know what the words mean. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/26 01:38 PM |
| 1 | This is why we say all men.The most watched cable news network on tv has zero effects of people, cool delusion you have. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/26 01:26 PM |
| 12 | CMV: It actually is terrible advice for feminists to tell high earning women who want to become mothers to seek a sperm bank and hire a nannie, because a stay at home dad is cheaper if they believe in emotional laborIt is. It's also made by a person who doesn't understand the term emotional labor. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/26 02:47 AM |
| 29 | CMV: It actually is terrible advice for feminists to tell high earning women who want to become mothers to seek a sperm bank and hire a nannie, because a stay at home dad is cheaper if they believe in emotional laborAutism is not a shield for refusing to learn very basic definitions. Emotional labor is not housekeeping, cooking, cleaning, gardening, or even most childcare. Those are domestic labor. Emotional labor is the work of managing other people's emotions, relationships, social dynamics, and the household's mental load. Women often end up doing both, which is why those topics get discussed together, but they are not the same thing. A nanny isn't replacing a spouse. They're being hired to provide child… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/26 02:46 AM |
| 4 | Women objectively have it better than men in the modern western worldAgain, I lived as a man for forty years. I absolutely believe men have issues. The difference is that the solutions are almost always found in continuing the expansion of rights and equality, not rolling them back. It wasn't women who created the system that made me want to kill myself multiple times. It isn't women trying to make it dangerous for me to leave my house because of ICE. It isn't women trying to stop me from using a fucking bathroom. Those attacks are coming from the same political … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/26 01:54 AM |
| 3 | Women objectively have it better than men in the modern western worldThe reason people associate these "systemic help for men" movements with conservatives and predators is because that's overwhelmingly where they're coming from. They're almost never saying, "Let's expand reproductive healthcare, parental leave, mental healthcare, or labor protections because those would also improve men's lives." They're saying, "Let's roll back women's rights so men have more leverage." I also lived as a man for forty years. It wasn't that bad. Meanwhile, women are actively los… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/26 01:08 AM |
| 4 | Women objectively have it better than men in the modern western worldOkay, women are still systemically oppressed as well as PoC's and anyone outside the comp het gender norms. Youre asking us to ignore the current issues created by hundreds of years because men arent given unlimited privilege anymore. Thats you being delusional. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/26 12:14 AM |
| 1 | Women objectively have it better than men in the modern western worldHow about you just give your fucking actual argument, stop this Wilson shit. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/26 10:55 PM |
| 1 | Women objectively have it better than men in the modern western worldContemporary standpoint theorists have attempted to address circularity concerns by emphasizing the theory's utility as a research methodology rather than a comprehensive epistemological framework.[57] They argue that standpoint theory's value lies not in providing absolute truth claims but in offering a systematic approach to uncovering previously marginalized perspectives and challenging dominant knowledge production practices. Critics have characterized some of these defenses as moving the go… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/26 10:48 PM |
| 3 | Women objectively have it better than men in the modern western worldThey love to do this thing where they make a clear claim but never say an exact word so they couldnt possibly be saying that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/26 10:12 PM |
| 6 | Women objectively have it better than men in the modern western worldNo you have a delusional mental state. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/26 10:11 PM |
| 1 | Women objectively have it better than men in the modern western worldYou're doing it again. You keep changing the accusation, but you never support it. First it was "standpoint epistemology means women are always right." Now it's "it produces false conclusions." Fine. Demonstrate it. Cite the methodology. Cite the philosopher. Cite the paper. Show me where standpoint epistemology tells researchers to ignore evidence. Until then, you're just asserting corruption because you don't like the conclusions. This is starting to feel like the Andrew Wilson school of manos… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/26 10:10 PM |
| 1 | Women objectively have it better than men in the modern western worldYou don't even understand why standpoint epistemology exists. We use it because there are aspects of human experience that cannot be directly measured from the outside. I cannot empirically measure what your experience of gender is. I can't put your consciousness under a microscope. The only way to study those experiences is to take people's accounts seriously and then critically examine them using the methods of the social sciences. Meanwhile, you've done none of that. You haven't cited a philo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/26 09:50 PM |
| 1 | Women objectively have it better than men in the modern western worldThis isn't an argument. It's just you repeatedly asserting that you don't like standpoint epistemology and then inventing a definition that no recognized standpoint epistemologist actually uses. Every paragraph is just another unsupported conclusion. "It's anti-science." "It floods journals." "It says women are always right." Great. According to whom? Cite the philosopher. Cite the paper. Cite the textbook. Do something other than confidently repeating your own beliefs. Right now you're doing th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/26 09:17 PM |
| 1 | Women objectively have it better than men in the modern western worldAll you said was Standpoint Epistemology and you dont like feminism. You never justified why it was wrong. Try doing that rather than trying to have me give you your argument. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/26 08:55 PM |
| 4 | Women objectively have it better than men in the modern western worldOkay, fine. I'll make it so clear a child could understand it. The reason catcalling is not the same as a humblebrag or a compliment women enjoy is that, whether the man intends it or not, there is an implied threat of sexual violence behind it. That's the entire point you've been refusing to engage with. Women don't experience catcalling as "someone thinks I'm attractive." They experience it as unwanted sexual attention from someone who may not respect their boundaries, and they have no way of … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/26 08:42 PM |
| 1 | Women objectively have it better than men in the modern western worldI gave you the actual definition which already is more than you have done. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/26 08:40 PM |
| 4 | Women objectively have it better than men in the modern western worldI have asked you the same very simple question multiple times, phrasing it differently each time to make it even clearer, and you still refuse to answer it. The question is: You are in prison. A gang leader catcalls you. How do you feel? You would be scared, and you're lying if you say otherwise, because you know exactly what point I'm making. That's why you keep changing the hypothetical to "What if it was a woman?" even though that has never been the question. Do you genuinely not understand w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/26 08:28 PM |
| 1 | Women objectively have it better than men in the modern western worldWhen your starting assumption is that feminist scholarship is inherently illegitimate, and you're willing to invent positions for it rather than engage with what it actually says, that isn't skepticism. It's ideological hostility toward women. Whether you call that misogyny or anti-feminism is mostly a matter of terminology. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/26 08:21 PM |
| – | Why don't most women normally wear their hair up?I got a chance to read the post better after i finished work and it’s definitely weird. Ya this shit is not about learning just like a man saying smile is never about women being happy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/26 08:13 PM |
| 6 | Women objectively have it better than men in the modern western worldYou really want to avoid the clear point. A guy in prison is catcalling you. Its clear to anyone reading this you are avoiding the point because if you answer it really you prove my point. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/26 08:12 PM |
| – | Why don't most women normally wear their hair up?Of course you dont. Its why men still think telling a woman to smile is fine. Its not about the woman its about you and you wanting the world to be what you want regardless of what women want. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/26 07:41 PM |
| 1 | Women objectively have it better than men in the modern western worldhttps://plato.stanford.edu/entries/feminism-epistemology/ Feminist epistemology and philosophy of science studies the ways in which gender does and ought to influence our conceptions of knowledge, knowers, and practices of inquiry and justification. It identifies how dominant conceptions and practices of knowledge attribution, acquisition, and justification disadvantage women and other subordinated groups, and strives to reform them to serve the interests of these groups. How exactly is this ant… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/26 07:39 PM |
| 1 | Women objectively have it better than men in the modern western worldSubstantiate that in any way other than it hurts your feelings to lose the systemic privilege of being a man? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/26 07:26 PM |
| 1 | Women objectively have it better than men in the modern western worldFeminism isnt a subject its a framework. They are sociologists. Nice try distracting from your absolute lack of foundation to have this conversation. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/26 07:13 PM |
| – | Why don't most women normally wear their hair up?Yeah, it kind of is in a creepy sexual objectification way. Saying "the neck is one of the erogenous zones of the female body—but not in a creepy way" doesn't magically make it not objectification. You're still asking why women don't style themselves the way you personally find most sexually attractive. But what really gets me is that you genuinely can't even imagine the answer. Wearing your hair up isn't free. It takes more time, more effort, it pulls on your scalp, it can give you headaches, a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/26 07:08 PM |
| 11 | Women objectively have it better than men in the modern western worldAgain would you enjoy or call it humble bragging when you are catcalled by some gang leader in prison. Dont play games or be a coward and answer the question or admit you do understand the fucking point. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/26 07:04 PM |
| 1 | Women objectively have it better than men in the modern western worldCute. Want to actually say something relevant? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/26 07:02 PM |
| 1 | Women objectively have it better than men in the modern western worldI don’t have experience with sociology papers, so I can’t tell. Nothing after that sentence is relevant. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/26 07:02 PM |
| 11 | Women objectively have it better than men in the modern western worldIm sure you would totally feel that way if it were you but in prison. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/26 06:31 PM |
| 3 | Women objectively have it better than men in the modern western worldHistory exists and it affects today. Guess what black Americans are still being hurt by southern slavery too. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/26 06:30 PM |
| 1 | Women objectively have it better than men in the modern western worldI bet you watched ancient aliens and dont see it as racism right? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/26 06:29 PM |
| 1 | Women objectively have it better than men in the modern western worldIs just because its about women or do you discount all sociology? Im guessing phrenology is totally right in your view though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/26 06:28 PM |
| 4 | Women objectively have it better than men in the modern western worldThats how time works sorry. You cant pretend society started tomorrow. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/26 06:27 PM |
| 5 | Women objectively have it better than men in the modern western worldIts very different as one is has decades of research and academic backing while the other is a bunch of men with victim complexes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/26 04:57 PM |
| 2 | Women objectively have it better than men in the modern western worldNot presenting as a woman is no excuse. Every man has seen catcalling and every man could just listen to women. Its like saying you dont understand what a period is. If you dont know today with the access to literally the entire scope of human knowledge then its just a desire to not know or they dont care. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/26 03:55 PM |
| 7 | Women objectively have it better than men in the modern western worldAnd yet men continue to be awful. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/26 03:52 PM |
| 3 | If you, as a woman, pay for half the date, you are agreeing that a man is entitled to your body.Its not just the man in front. Its all the men you will need to deal with if something happens. I would love to disengage from society but that isnt possible. Paying for your half removes another bullshit excuse men have for rape culture. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/26 02:28 PM |
| 5 | If you, as a woman, pay for half the date, you are agreeing that a man is entitled to your body.Controlling your own side of the date is not pandering to men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/26 01:56 PM |
| 22 | Women objectively have it better than men in the modern western worldCatcalling "A man I don't know, have no relationship with, and know nothing about makes an unsolicited sexualizing comment toward me while I'm just trying to exist in public. This is the 50th time it's happened. I have no idea whether he respects boundaries, whether he'll leave me alone if I ignore him, or whether he'll escalate. Now I have to make a judgment call about my own safety because a stranger decided I was entitled to his attention." Sounds absolutely sane when you give the actual tran… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/26 01:34 PM |
| 5 | If you, as a woman, pay for half the date, you are agreeing that a man is entitled to your body.The game exists, defensive is the best we can do right now. Its what feminism is trying to stop but till then women who date men are going to have to work around that game. We cant assuage men but we can keep working to raise boys who dont need to be assuaged. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/26 01:31 PM |
| 13 | If you, as a woman, pay for half the date, you are agreeing that a man is entitled to your body.You can reject it all you want men are the ones who think this and women doing this is meant to get around that. I don't think it's fair to criticize women for prioritizing anything they can do to assuade men before they're put into the situation that men will often put them in of having to be mean and say no where they can then possibly be beaten to death. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/26 01:15 PM |
| 13 | Women objectively have it better than men in the modern western worldYour entire argument is ahistorical. You repeatedly point to present-day outcomes while ignoring the historical, legal, economic, and social processes that produced them. Male dominance in politics and corporate leadership is still overwhelmingly the norm. Women have made significant gains compared to the 1970s, but pretending we've reached parity because more women are entering those fields is simply false. Catcalling isn't oppression by itself, but it is part of a constant pattern of low-level… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/26 01:13 PM |
| -1 | Most young women who appear to hate men in social media, don't actually hate men. They LARP as misandrists because it's the cool thing to do nowadays.You're misunderstanding why those posts resonate. Most of them aren't expressions of interpersonal hatred toward individual men. They're expressions of frustration with living under patriarchy and with the cumulative experiences women have with sexism, harassment, discrimination, and violence. Whether the rhetoric is productive is a separate question, but reducing it to "women pretend to hate men because it's trendy" ignores the social context that gives those posts traction in the first place. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/26 04:29 AM |
| – | Society is not being entirely transparent about what attracts people. Hence you shouldn’t listen to anyone’s opinions about it.Yes humans have preferences but unlike economics thoes preferences are not the same type of preference we are saying when you apply it to economics. Maybe if you had been talking about sociological aspects we could have a discussion. Things like upbringing, truama, addiction, and other isses affect relationships. This isnt brands of fucking detergent. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/26 04:26 AM |
| – | Society is not being entirely transparent about what attracts people. Hence you shouldn’t listen to anyone’s opinions about it.People are not units of value. Economics doesnt work with human relationships. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/26 03:58 AM |
| – | Society is not being entirely transparent about what attracts people. Hence you shouldn’t listen to anyone’s opinions about it.You've replaced an explanation with an assertion. You're treating a complex question as though declaring one answer settles it. That's not an argument. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/26 02:33 AM |
| 6 | Common law marriages should not exist and are legal scams and are unfair to menAt this point, I don't know how to respond because you're missing knowledge that most people acquire just by following the news. You're talking about abortion as though Dobbs never happened and reproductive healthcare as though it's only about having babies. It isn't. Birth control is prescribed for period regulation, endometriosis, PCOS, preventing some ovarian cysts, heavy bleeding, severe pain, and a host of other gynecological conditions. These are basic things that, if you're going to argue… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/26 12:26 AM |
| 2 | Common law marriages should not exist and are legal scams and are unfair to menIf a woman gets pregnant she has less and less options to stop it. Men can just run away. Its not just forced to have kids. Its period management and other health issues that are being destroyed even in the US. Women's jobs get less pay. Teachers were higher paid till it became a woman's field. Women have more home labor, because we dont have child care provided. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/26 11:13 PM |
| 3 | Common law marriages should not exist and are legal scams and are unfair to menReproductive rights aren't consequences they are punishments. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/26 10:48 PM |
| 6 | Common law marriages should not exist and are legal scams and are unfair to menYou made a series of arguments about why common-law marriage is sexist against men. I don't think those arguments are worth engaging with because they ignore the systemic reasons the institution exists. So I'm answering the more important question: what would actually have to change before common-law marriage could stop existing without leaving vulnerable people worse off? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/26 10:01 PM |
| 5 | Common law marriages should not exist and are legal scams and are unfair to menYou asked what would need to replace common-law marriage. I answered: stronger welfare, caregiver, labor, and abuse protections. You then responded as though I had claimed those social problems only exist in countries with common-law marriage. I did not. The entire point is that countries can address the same problems through different legal structures. You cannot compare one law in isolation and declare that another country “works fine.” | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/26 08:42 PM |
| 2 | Common law marriages should not exist and are legal scams and are unfair to menThey also dont read responses i say the thing they need to change and then they ask what needs to change? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/26 08:39 PM |
| 6 | Common law marriages should not exist and are legal scams and are unfair to menIf you're asking me to list the systemic issues, I wonder if you are ready to have this discussion? This isn't obscure knowledge. These are some of the most basic, well-established findings in sociology, economics, and gender studies.* We have decades of research on unpaid caregiving, domestic labor, financial dependence, wage disparities, barriers to leaving abusive relationships, and why legal protections evolved the way they did. I'm happy to debate the evidence or whether those protections a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/26 08:22 PM |
| 11 | Common law marriages should not exist and are legal scams and are unfair to menI really wish we didn't turn everything into oppression Olympics, but when I see posts like this my first thought is: fix the twenty systemic problems that make common-law marriage necessary, then we can talk about getting rid of common-law marriage. This is something a lot of red pill and men's rights advocates tend to miss. Many legal protections don't exist because they're ideal—they exist because they're compensating for other systemic failures. You can't just remove the protection while lea… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/26 07:44 PM |
| 0 | Society is not being entirely transparent about what attracts people. Hence you shouldn’t listen to anyone’s opinions about it."Revealed preference" is one of those concepts I wish the Red Pill had never learned, because they fundamentally misunderstand it. If someone says they want X but repeatedly ends up with the opposite of X, that isn't evidence they secretly wanted the opposite all along. More often, it's evidence of trauma, unhealthy attachment patterns, poor self-awareness, or repeatedly mistaking one trait for another. A woman who says she wants a kind, emotionally available partner but keeps dating emotionally… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/26 07:22 PM |
| 21 | Q4W: What do you mean by emotional intelligence?Can you determine what other people's experience feels like and can you communicate your emotions. Even if youre on the autism spectrum you can have emotional intelligence even if you have social issues. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/26 03:03 PM |
| 2 | Do you like someone more when they're exceptional at things you're deficient in, or when they're similar at things you're exceptional in?For me, I don't look at what another person can do for me when I'm looking for a romantic relationship. I don't really care about their skills, job, or how they organize their life. I care about how I feel when I'm with them and how our personalities and energy fit together. If I met someone who was the perfect complement to all my weaknesses, but I couldn't stand being around them, I wouldn't care how much easier they made my life materially. I'd still be miserable. Compatibility isn't about op… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/07/26 12:42 PM |
| 1 | Common media constantly tries to conflate men as a group with their worst denominators to try to impose collective guilt.Literally the problem we are fighting. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/07/26 12:11 PM |
| 4 | Why do so many prominent red pillers turn to cringe reactionary rhetoric?Because they are conservatives the red pill is intrinsically tied to conservatism. You can pretty easily see how they have all the tradcon talking points. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/07/26 10:14 AM |
| 3 | What do you think about this quote from Bell Hooks?She's a bit optimistic but right. We have no problem with amab individuals we have a problem with Men. One day you will accept biology and gender are different things. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/07/26 10:00 AM |
| 1 | Continuing a “Friendship” with a woman is not a good idea.I think it comes down to whether you love the person or the outcome you were hoping for. If my wife came to me tomorrow and said she was done or that she'd found someone else, I'd respect what she wants. If she still wanted me in her life, I'd still want to be her friend. I love her enough to want her to be happy, even if that happiness isn't with me. I'd hope we could both eventually find people who make us happy and maybe even go on double dates someday. That's what loving someone looks like t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 09:46 PM |
| 3 | Common media constantly tries to conflate men as a group with their worst denominators to try to impose collective guilt.Wow are you illiterate? I didnt talk about any of thoes either. You are so fucking desperate to avoid the clear meaning of my comment and be a victim for something hard to change you are making up what the fever dream of me is saying. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 05:50 PM |
| 0 | Continuing a “Friendship” with a woman is not a good idea.If unreciprocated horny ruined your friendship you werent friends. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 05:48 PM |
| 4 | Continuing a “Friendship” with a woman is not a good idea.If the friendship was real before your feelings developed, then nothing stopped you from continuing to be a friend after being rejected. If you can't do that because your feelings are too strong, that's understandable. End the friendship. But don't act like the other person has done something wrong. You're the one asking for the relationship to change. They're the one saying they'd like to keep it as it was. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 05:46 PM |
| 6 | Common media constantly tries to conflate men as a group with their worst denominators to try to impose collective guilt.No I never said anything about appearance or charisma. You want that to be the case. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 05:25 PM |
| 1 | Continuing a “Friendship” with a woman is not a good idea.Or option 0 they dont hide their romantic feelings if they dont want to be friends anyway. If you are friends before then options d and e work but thats not what I think OP is talking about. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 05:24 PM |
| 5 | Continuing a “Friendship” with a woman is not a good idea.The problem with this entire argument is that if your "true intentions" were romance from the beginning, then you weren't actually being a friend—you were hoping friendship would become a relationship. That's not friendship; it's pursuing someone through friendship. If she thought she had a platonic friend while you were quietly waiting for your chance, then of course the dynamic changes when you confess. The issue isn't that friendship after rejection is impossible. It's that you misrepresented… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 05:22 PM |
| 1 | Common media constantly tries to conflate men as a group with their worst denominators to try to impose collective guilt.Have you dated men? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 04:25 PM |
| 1 | Common media constantly tries to conflate men as a group with their worst denominators to try to impose collective guilt.Its really difficult we dont have great women made media that makes it to cis het men. Its even worse for white men. The entire fucking world is made for them. Can you imagine what that feels like. Better drug than heroine I would guess. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 04:25 PM |
| 4 | Common media constantly tries to conflate men as a group with their worst denominators to try to impose collective guilt.Date a man once and say no when they try to fuck you I guess. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 03:58 PM |
| – | Common media constantly tries to conflate men as a group with their worst denominators to try to impose collective guilt.Did she do it 15 times in 1 hour while making back handed compliments and lying about the level of commitment you have? Other wise shut the fuck up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 03:43 PM |
| 5 | Common media constantly tries to conflate men as a group with their worst denominators to try to impose collective guilt.Meeting those losers irl is the best blue pilling thing we can do. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 03:42 PM |
| 1 | Common media constantly tries to conflate men as a group with their worst denominators to try to impose collective guilt.I remember in 2010 when gamergate happened I had a problem because discourse of information that affects articles by journalists is important before let's plays became a thing but it was also fucking based on sexism and racism. Then the more moderate mens rights activists. I dropped them as they moved more right or I moved more left maybe (doubtful) but this shit is like watching a cycle. Like were stuck on a conservative frucking treadmill. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 02:08 PM |
| 1 | Common media constantly tries to conflate men as a group with their worst denominators to try to impose collective guilt.Maybe its personal experience and privilege growing up upper middle class with really strong schools but every guy i knew by sophomore year new all the talking points for feminism. They knew about rape culture and they still did this bullshit. My egg didnt crack all that long ago and im in that looking back and "was that a sign" phase. The more I let myself feel the more I realize how much I was disgusted with men. The behavior and shit they say, I stood up as much as I could but ya I dont trust… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 01:57 PM |
| – | We live in a culture of systemic misandry and the society is going to shitIf this what you think systemic misandry you are going to pretend actual equality is nazi Germany. And its getting worse because they are fighting soo hard to hold on to privilege. Men are voting against freeing themselves. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 11:32 AM |
| 17 | Common media constantly tries to conflate men as a group with their worst denominators to try to impose collective guilt.I think the fact the men themselves recognize they did it for predatory reasons is good enough. You realize this is self reported data. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 11:29 AM |
| – | What do you think of declining birthrates?A ever widening income inequality paried with white Christian nationalist attacks on reproductive rights and womens autonomy would make most women more hesitant to have kids the fact the most men arent worth dating is the rest. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 11:13 AM |
| 20 | Common media constantly tries to conflate men as a group with their worst denominators to try to impose collective guilt.Its a study not a census, the percentage is the relevant result. Also none of those are harmless behaviors they are ment to undermine ongoing informed meaningful consent. Its rape culture to minimize this because men need to use rape or maybe they just like raping, I dont see a third option here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 11:10 AM |
| 12 | Common media constantly tries to conflate men as a group with their worst denominators to try to impose collective guilt.There is no ambiguity its just not what they want to they dont understand. More and more I am seeing how men just cant decenter themselves for even a fucking second. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 11:06 AM |
| 23 | Common media constantly tries to conflate men as a group with their worst denominators to try to impose collective guilt.Or perhaps the goal is to show how many men are abusive, coercive shitheads. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 10:58 AM |
| 1 | Women Aren't Playing the Victim. Red Pill Men Don't Understand Consent.No its rapey. Its the mentality of a rapist and tells the person you are doing it to you care more about getting off than having actual sex to start with. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 05:06 PM |
| 0 | Women Aren't Playing the Victim. Red Pill Men Don't Understand Consent.We're not talking about buying a car. We're talking about sex—one of the most vulnerable and personal things people ever do. Would you be happy if someone manipulated you into having a dildo shoved up your ass? If not, then you already understand why "they technically agreed" isn't the end of the ethical discussion. You also keep ignoring the social context that can make it difficult to say no. That's the entire point of informed, meaningful, ongoing consent. It's about creating an environment w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 04:55 PM |
| 1 | Women Aren't Playing the Victim. Red Pill Men Don't Understand Consent.They did it's fine. They put an auto comment to reply to explicitly for comments that agree for next time. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 04:32 PM |
| 3 | Women Aren't Playing the Victim. Red Pill Men Don't Understand Consent.This is sex. There fundamentally cannot be a universal script. People are different, and that's exactly why paying attention to your partner matters. But here's the bigger question: why are you treating "I might not get laid" and "I might accidentally coerce or rape someone" as comparable outcomes? If the ethical model of consent means I miss out on sex sometimes because I'm making sure my partner is genuinely comfortable, that's a trade I'll make every single time. I was born and lived a long t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 04:30 PM |
| 9 | Even men think men are the problemI don't know. A lot of men seem perfectly comfortable insisting that they aren't the problem, that women should do more emotional labor to fix men's problems, and that feminism has gone too far. The solutions they advocate almost always involve women giving something up rather than men changing their own behavior. There's a reason so much nostalgia points to 50 years ago—an era that was objectively worse for women's legal rights, economic independence, and social autonomy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 03:51 PM |
| 1 | Women Aren't Playing the Victim. Red Pill Men Don't Understand Consent.It is rapey though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 03:43 PM |
| 0 | Women Aren't Playing the Victim. Red Pill Men Don't Understand Consent.No I'm thinking about consent in a way that protects people who are vulnerable not protects people who are in power. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 03:41 PM |
| 0 | Women Aren't Playing the Victim. Red Pill Men Don't Understand Consent.I can't believe your actual argument is that people should think about consent more shallowly. That's a wild thing to say. Its very quite part out loud. Men are afraid of being accused because men are finally being held accountable for behavior they took for granted when women had less agency. I don't know why you think that is the impressive argument you seem to think it is. It isn't. It's a bad argument. I also don't know why you think a model that creates a higher chance of someone being rape… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 03:38 PM |
| 3 | If sex isn’t something to be ashamed of, then don’t hide your desires for it.Your right, I do agree that we have men in the community that hear "sex-positive" and think it just means "have as much sex as possible." It doesn't. It's an actual philosophy about consent, autonomy, communication, and not shaming people for consensual choices. You also get predatory men who weaponize sex positivity. They treat it as if women are obligated to say yes because saying no would somehow make them "sex negative." That's the exact opposite of what sex positivity is supposed to be. Tha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 03:06 PM |
| 2 | If sex isn’t something to be ashamed of, then don’t hide your desires for it.Your right, I do agree that we have men in the community that hear "sex-positive" and think it just means "have as much sex as possible." It doesn't. It's an actual philosophy about consent, autonomy, communication, and not shaming people for consensual choices. You also get predatory men who weaponize sex positivity. They treat it as if women are obligated to say yes because saying no would somehow make them "sex negative." That's the exact opposite of what sex positivity is supposed to be. Tha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 03:06 PM |
| 0 | If sex isn’t something to be ashamed of, then don’t hide your desires for it.I also think that's part of why Christian nationalism pushes purity culture so hard. If you teach people that their own sexuality is dirty and their own desires can't be trusted, they're much easier to control because they stop trusting themselves. And when women are taught that their own consent, desires, and boundaries matter less than men's sexuality or religious rules, you create a culture where rape becomes much easier to justify, excuse, or ignore. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 02:45 PM |
| 0 | Women Aren't Playing the Victim. Red Pill Men Don't Understand Consent.https://www.np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/I4616dGakm This entire post. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 02:34 PM |
| -1 | Women Aren't Playing the Victim. Red Pill Men Don't Understand Consent.Youre blue pilled and dont understand consnet? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 02:33 PM |
| 1 | Women Aren't Playing the Victim. Red Pill Men Don't Understand Consent.You know lesbians dont have these issues generally. When I was seen as a man i never had an issue either. Making a space that your partner know you are happy to hear no as much as yes isnt a big ask. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 02:28 PM |
| 2 | Women Aren't Playing the Victim. Red Pill Men Don't Understand Consent.And this is why you dont understand consent. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 02:13 PM |
| 2 | Women Aren't Playing the Victim. Red Pill Men Don't Understand Consent.You're saying the only reason not to do something is that it's illegal. That's a legitimately frightening worldview. If your morality starts and ends with avoiding legal consequences, then the only thing stopping you from lying, stealing, cheating, raping, or killing is the fear of punishment. Ethics exist precisely because the law can't cover every situation. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 02:05 PM |
| 4 | Women Aren't Playing the Victim. Red Pill Men Don't Understand Consent.Why is explaining ethical consent terminally online to you? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 02:04 PM |
| 3 | Women Aren't Playing the Victim. Red Pill Men Don't Understand Consent.Depends on the situation, you know abuse survivors try to minimize and internalize their abuse to survive right? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 01:46 PM |
| 1 | If sex isn’t something to be ashamed of, then don’t hide your desires for it.This is why the body count bullshit is so insane. A lot of these guys are only interested in purity culture when it comes to women. And let's be honest: a huge part of that is not wanting to be judged themselves or have to learn how to be a better sexual partner. If your girlfriend has nothing to compare you to, mediocrity is a lot easier to get away with. But sure, keep pretending it's about "morality." Though, judging by the obsession, I wouldn't rule out some insecurity about what's in their … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 01:44 PM |
| 2 | Women Aren't Playing the Victim. Red Pill Men Don't Understand Consent.You're not thinking enough. If you found out you'd accidentally raped someone, would your response really be, "Well, she said yes"? Or would you wish you'd been more careful? The ethical model of consent exists to minimize the chance that ever happens in the first place. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 01:36 PM |
| 3 | Women Aren't Playing the Victim. Red Pill Men Don't Understand Consent.I'm not talking about the legal standard. The legal standard has to account for evidence, due process, and proof beyond a reasonable doubt. I'm talking about the ethical standard for not being a rapist. If your concern is "what can I legally get away with," you're already asking the wrong question. The question should be, "How do I make sure the person I'm with genuinely wants to be here and feels free to say no?" That isn't a nebulous standard. It's the current ethical model of consent: informe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 01:35 PM |
| 4 | Women Aren't Playing the Victim. Red Pill Men Don't Understand Consent.Its fucking scary. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 01:30 PM |
| 3 | Women Aren't Playing the Victim. Red Pill Men Don't Understand Consent.Look back three hours in this sub. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 01:23 PM |
| 0 | Women Aren't Playing the Victim. Red Pill Men Don't Understand Consent.Im not saying I am the authority im saying what the model of consent looks like that is the most ethical. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 01:22 PM |
| 1 | Women Aren't Playing the Victim. Red Pill Men Don't Understand Consent.This isnt about women not being able to consent its about making it safer for women to have their consent actually recognized when its real and when its not. "Implication" is a common tactic for date rape. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 01:16 PM |
| 2 | What do you think women bring to the table and what do you want them to add?Of course this is a thing lol. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 02:52 AM |
| 1 | People who clown on age gap relationships are toxicYou're still arguing about my choice of shorthand instead of the concept. "Rapey" wasn't an academic term. It was my informal shorthand for a mentality that aligns with what people describe when they talk about rape culture: treating meaningful, informed, ongoing consent as secondary to obtaining compliance, especially by exploiting power imbalances or vulnerability. If we were in a sociology classroom, I'd use terms like coercive control, vulnerability, power asymmetries, economic abuse, and ra… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 12:03 AM |
| 1 | People who clown on age gap relationships are toxicI see what you're doing now. You're pointing out an inconsistency in his own framing, not trying to relitigate the whole thread. I'd write it like this: So the concepts you're asking for—meaningful, informed, ongoing consent, power imbalances, coercive control, economic abuse, vulnerability, all of that—are modern sociology. You already dismissed those ideas as a modern liberal delusion. So how is modern sociology not what you called a modern liberal delusion? That's literally the framework you … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/07/26 11:41 PM |
| 1 | People who clown on age gap relationships are toxicSo just to be clear, you asked for the sociological concepts, the research, and the sources. I gave them to you. Now your response is that sociology itself is a "modern liberal delusion." If that's your position, then you were never asking in good faith. You were asking me to justify a field you've already decided to dismiss. And no, nobody implied a woman has to be literally starving before power imbalances become ethically relevant. That's another argument you invented. Sociology looks at how … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/07/26 10:35 PM |
| 1 | People who clown on age gap relationships are toxicIf I'd realized you didn't understand what I meant by "rapey," I'd have explained it sooner instead of assuming you knew the basics of modern sexual ethics. "Rapey" isn't an accusation that someone has committed rape. It's describing an attitude toward consent. If you're intentionally seeking people with substantially less money, power, life experience, or social standing because they're easier to pressure, manipulate, or keep dependent, you're demonstrating that meaningful, informed, ongoing co… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/07/26 10:10 PM |
| 1 | People who clown on age gap relationships are toxicYou just restated my premise—that some relationship dynamics carry a higher risk of coercion—and then argued against a claim I never made. At that point we're not discussing anything. Later. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/07/26 09:45 PM |
| 1 | People who clown on age gap relationships are toxichttps://medium.com/the-virago/age-gap-relationships-are-fine-except-when-theyre-not-14ee417bd090 https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3706999/ https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/meet-catch-and-keep/201806/why-people-dont-trust-couples-with-a-major-age-difference https://www.nspb.net/index.php/nspb/article/view/409 The concepts you're looking for are things like power imbalance, coercive control, economic abuse, financial dependency, informed consent, and vulnerability. The same stuff we… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/07/26 09:15 PM |
| 1 | People who clown on age gap relationships are toxic"It's not an advanced scientific concept" is a weird thing to say about a topic studied by an entire academic field. Sociology exists. People spend decades researching power, privilege, incentives, vulnerability, and social behavior. The fact that I can't compress that into a Reddit comment doesn't make it wrong; it means reality is more complicated than a soundbite. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/07/26 06:54 PM |
| 2 | People who clown on age gap relationships are toxicThat's a fucking stupid standard. Quantum physics is hard to explain. The difference between the strong and weak nuclear force is hard to explain. Consciousness is hard to explain. Difficulty explaining something doesn't make it false; it usually means it requires context you're missing. Your unwillingness to engage with that isn't my problem. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/07/26 06:20 PM |
| 4 | The Red Pill is great strategy just to for dating.You do realize that within living memory, many women effectively couldn't say no, right? Your grandmother—and maybe even your mother, depending on your age—couldn't even open a bank account on her own. It's been a remarkably short time since women were treated more like property than full legal equals. Straight cis men still have, objectively, the easiest social position. If I could have chosen to stay a straight cis man, I would have. I'm not saying women have no leverage. I'm saying that lever… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/07/26 03:30 PM |
| 1 | The Red Pill is great strategy just to for dating.Does that leverage overcome all of the other disadvantages you suffer as a woman? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/07/26 03:02 PM |
| 4 | Women should make the first move, its better for everyone.Are you the same guy who posted this yesterday? No, it doesn't. You're comparing hearing "no" to getting raped or killed. That's an unbelievably dumb comparison. If you actually want a world where women approach men more often, the solution isn't telling women to take on more risk. It's reducing the reasons they don't approach in the first place: hold shitty men accountable, make public spaces safer, and stop slut-shaming women for expressing interest. Women approaching more is a consequence of … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/07/26 03:00 PM |
| 4 | The Red Pill is great strategy just to for dating.There's a difference between propaganda and who your own movement actually elevates. Dylan Mulvaney wasn't a leader of the trans rights movement. She was a comedian and influencer who did a single sponsored Bud Light post, and conservatives collectively lost their minds over it. That's an example of an outgroup constructing a caricature. Andrew Tate is different. He wasn't imposed on the Red Pill by outsiders. He built one of the largest audiences in the manosphere by selling Red Pill ideas to m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/07/26 01:30 PM |
| 4 | The Red Pill is great strategy just to for dating.Feminism and the Blue Pill didn't give women leverage. They gave women the ability to say no. The Red Pill is largely a reaction to women no longer needing men, and a lot of men confuse losing coercive power with losing equality. That's what hurts their feelings. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/07/26 12:55 PM |
| 0 | The Red Pill is great strategy just to for dating.If the point was to improve your dating life start with introspection and therapy, I don't know why people think a house with no Foundation is stable? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/07/26 12:53 PM |
| 7 | The Red Pill is great strategy just to for dating.That's not really how movements get judged. They get judged by the people with the biggest platforms, the loudest voices, and the greatest influence. Whether or not you personally think Tate is the purest expression of the Red Pill is almost beside the point. Ask a random person on Main Street who the face of the Red Pill is, and they're going to say Andrew Tate. And what is Andrew Tate famous for? Teaching men how to manipulate women, celebrating power imbalances, and now facing human trafficki… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/07/26 12:50 PM |
| 0 | People who clown on age gap relationships are toxicThis is one of those things where it's hard to explain because you don't understand this but vulnerable looking people is what that's going for which is what makes it rapey that's the best I got for you | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/07/26 12:22 PM |
| 6 | People who clown on age gap relationships are toxicYou're actually disgusting I'm saying the idea that you can have an age preference which is what you're saying is the same mentality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/07/26 12:16 PM |
| 11 | The Red Pill is great strategy just to for dating.If you're coming at your relationship like it's a goddamn hostage negotiation, having high standards is fine. That's not what the Red Pill is talking about. The Red Pill is about finding women who are vulnerable enough that you have leverage over them. That's why it obsesses over younger women, financial dependence, passport bros, one-sided open relationships, and all the other power-imbalance bullshit. It's inherently skeevy because the entire goal is to make "no" harder to say. That's why Andr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/07/26 12:15 PM |
| 2 | People who clown on age gap relationships are toxicIm talking about the argument you used is the same | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/07/26 12:05 PM |
| 6 | People who clown on age gap relationships are toxicYa thats pretty rapey | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/07/26 11:45 AM |
| 3 | People who clown on age gap relationships are toxicYou just compared dating younger partners is a sexual preference. You understand argument implies some really fucking disgusting things. Are you a M.A.P.? As a person who wants people safe as long as you arent an active threat a therapist can help you control intrusive thoughts. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/07/26 11:44 AM |
| 2 | People who clown on age gap relationships are toxicYou're proving my point. A 35-year-old CEO usually isn't dating a cashier because people overwhelmingly date within their own social and economic circles. When someone consistently goes looking for partners with dramatically less money, experience, and power than they have, people are going to question why. That's the whole point. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/07/26 11:37 AM |
| 4 | People who clown on age gap relationships are toxicIt must be very hard to misunderstand why people judge these situations the way they do this often. A 35-year-old dating a 24-year-old isn't automatically a sugar daddy thing, but when it's an older man dating a much younger woman, it's usually creepy because men who seek out women that much younger are often looking for a power imbalance. We don't believe in an "optimal" way of living. We believe in an ethical way of living. We care about things like actual, meaningful informed consent, which I… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/07/26 11:23 AM |
| 1 | Why doesn't the red pill push for expanded views of attractiveness?You're still assuming I'm saying the conclusion is the harmful part. I'm not. The harm is treating those conclusions as self-evident rather than something worth examining. My criticism isn't that someone prefers thin women, younger women, or conventionally attractive women. My criticism is that Red Pill discourages introspection about how those preferences were formed and instead presents them as obvious biological facts that don't need to be questioned. If someone examines their preferences and… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/07/26 12:28 AM |
| 1 | Why doesn't the red pill push for expanded views of attractiveness?What I've been telling you this whole time. This isn't about telling men they have the wrong beauty standards or that they should force themselves to be attracted to different people. It's about the process by which those standards were formed. My question is why Red Pill never encourages men to examine where their preferences came from, what influenced them, or whether they're actually serving the goals they claim to have. That's what deconstructing a belief means. It's an examination of how th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/07/26 12:21 AM |
| 1 | Why doesn't the red pill push for expanded views of attractiveness?If I ask you to suck a dick, is that the same as asking whether you enjoy sucking dick? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/07/26 12:09 AM |
| 1 | Why doesn't the red pill push for expanded views of attractiveness?You're still misunderstanding what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about beauty standards. I'm talking about the process by which people arrive at them. "Deconstructing" doesn't mean deciding your preferences are wrong or forcing yourself to like different people. It means examining how your preferences were formed—what cultural influences, personal experiences, media, and socialization shaped them—and then deciding whether they actually reflect your own values. If, after that process, your p… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/07/26 12:07 AM |
| 1 | Why doesn't the red pill push for expanded views of attractiveness?At this point we're not discussing my argument anymore. I've repeatedly clarified what I meant, and you keep insisting I meant something else. If you think you understand my position better than I do after multiple corrections, there's no productive conversation left to have. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 11:54 PM |
| 5 | Many women have been socially programmed to be self-centered and narcissistic.I could go into cultivation theory, decades of psychology research, or just basic human interaction, but at this point it wouldn't matter. You seem determined to argue with a version of reality that exists only inside your own worldview. I'm done. Until you're willing to engage with the world as it actually is instead of the one you've constructed, there's nothing productive left to discuss. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 11:52 PM |
| 1 | Why doesn't the red pill push for expanded views of attractiveness?“Ask” and “asking” are two different words. I wrote “instead of asking whether your own ideas about beauty, gender, and desirability are unnecessarily narrow.” You changed it to “ask whether…” and then treated your altered sentence as though it were a direct quotation. The -ing changes the grammatical function and how the sentence connects to everything preceding it. This is basic literacy, man. Stop rewriting what I said and then explaining your rewrite back to me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 11:48 PM |
| 1 | Why doesn't the red pill push for expanded views of attractiveness?I didn't label people's standards as harmful. You're still arguing with a position I never took. My criticism is of Red Pill philosophy. If it were actually interested in helping men, it wouldn't just hand them a rigid set of rules about what women supposedly are. It would encourage them to understand why they find what they find attractive, where those preferences came from, and whether they're actually serving them. If, after that self-reflection, nothing changes, that's completely fine. The p… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 11:45 PM |
| 7 | Many women have been socially programmed to be self-centered and narcissistic.It's amazing how many of you have absorbed therapy buzzwords without ever learning what they mean. Being the center of your own life is literally what healthy boundaries are. Narcissism isn't refusing to center someone else—it's demanding that everyone else center you. Those are almost opposite concepts. And that's exactly what the OP is complaining about. He's upset that women aren't centering men anymore. Ironically, the expectation that another person's life should revolve around you is far c… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 11:40 PM |
| 1 | Why doesn't the red pill push for expanded views of attractiveness?Did I put the word "ask" in there, or did you? Because that completely changes the meaning of what I wrote. You keep substituting your own implication for my actual words. I never said anyone should ask women to broaden their standards. I said people should examine where those standards come from, because they may be narrower than they need to be. Those are two different arguments. And this is becoming a pattern. You accuse me of trying to "catch" you being misogynistic instead of engaging with … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 11:34 PM |
| 4 | Many women have been socially programmed to be self-centered and narcissistic.Fascinating. Your evidence is your grandmother. I'll raise you the entire history of the feminist movement. Looks like I win. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 11:11 PM |
| 0 | We pathologize male passivity in dating but reward female passivity and nobody can explain why without circular logicWomen today are being slut shamed it's a live strong and well. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 11:10 PM |
| 1 | Why doesn't the red pill push for expanded views of attractiveness?Only a red piller could hear "be more self-aware" and translate it into "date people you're not attracted to." No. My point was never that you should date fat women, older women, disabled women, or trans women. My point was that you should understand why you're attracted to what you're attracted to so you can make those choices intentionally instead of pretending they're purely biological and immutable. If, after that self-reflection, your preferences don't change, that's fine. At least they're … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 11:10 PM |
| 1 | Why doesn't the red pill push for expanded views of attractiveness?Congratulations. You're a more intentional, more self-aware person. You understand where your preferences came from instead of pretending they're objective truth, and you're not trying to impose them on everyone else. You'll probably do better in life because of it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 10:48 PM |
| 1 | Why doesn't the red pill push for expanded views of attractiveness?Hey folks look again men can't understand when women talk. Let me ask are all women just fucking bitches and Liars to you or just me? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 10:40 PM |
| – | Why doesn't the red pill push for expanded views of attractiveness?No, dumbass. I'm saying status symbols become beauty standards. That's the point. Attraction doesn't exist in a vacuum; it's shaped by culture. Pale skin was attractive because it signaled wealth. Tanned skin later became attractive because it signaled leisure. Thinness, fatness, long necks, bound feet, lip plates, corsets, heroin chic—they all became attractive because of what they communicated socially. Once a status symbol becomes associated with beauty, people internalize it and it persists … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 10:38 PM |
| 7 | Many women have been socially programmed to be self-centered and narcissistic.Amazing. "People were happier without rights" is certainly one way to announce you skipped every history class you ever had. Tell me, when are you giving up your bank account, your legal independence, and your right to tell your spouse no? Since apparently that's the recipe for happiness. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 10:28 PM |
| 1 | Why doesn't the red pill push for expanded views of attractiveness?You're mistaking cultural beauty standards for universal biological attraction. Pale skin was a status symbol because it meant you weren't working in the fields. Rubens painted wealthy patrons, not some eternal male preference. Mauritania even has a long history of force-feeding girls to make them fatter because obesity was considered beautiful and a sign of wealth. If beauty standards were purely hardwired, they wouldn't vary this dramatically across cultures and history. https://en.wikipedia.o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 10:26 PM |
| 8 | Many women have been socially programmed to be self-centered and narcissistic.Yeah, what incredible privilege. No vote, no bank account, no economic independence, limited careers, legal dependence on your husband. I wonder why the fuck they revolted? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 10:21 PM |
| 1 | We pathologize male passivity in dating but reward female passivity and nobody can explain why without circular logicWords not meaning. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 08:54 PM |
| 1 | Why doesn't the red pill push for expanded views of attractiveness?If the reason Red Pill doesn't recommend it is because it can't be packaged into a one-hour coaching session with a checklist, I'd question whether that's a good standard for human development. Maybe that's also why so many people in those spaces dismiss therapy. Therapy often doesn't give you a five-step solution either. It gives you tools to examine yourself over time. If someone is an alcoholic, there are concrete behavioral interventions because alcoholism is fundamentally a behavioral disor… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 08:46 PM |
| 3 | We pathologize male passivity in dating but reward female passivity and nobody can explain why without circular logicSo ignore the entire comment I made cool | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 08:35 PM |
| 1 | Why doesn't the red pill push for expanded views of attractiveness?Everything is philosophy, just like everything is political and, yes, everything is feminism. Those aren't abstract academic concepts. They're descriptions of the systems we live in every day. Your ideas about dating, masculinity, femininity, beauty, race, and relationships don't exist outside philosophy. They are philosophy put into practice. That's also why I think the Red Pill gets this fundamentally wrong. It treats dating as the primary objective when, for most healthy people, dating is a s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 08:34 PM |
| 1 | Why doesn't the red pill push for expanded views of attractiveness?Your mistake is assuming that because something can't be reduced to a SMART goal or a measurable intervention, it isn't something people can intentionally work on. We can tell someone exactly how to heal a broken leg because it's a physical problem. We can't give someone a five-step process to overcome racism, sexism, internalized homophobia, or culturally inherited beauty standards because those are complex psychological and social phenomena. Yet people clearly do change. People's politics, rel… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 08:26 PM |
| -1 | We pathologize male passivity in dating but reward female passivity and nobody can explain why without circular logicWhen the chance of getting killed because some guy got the wrong idea was only just 1%, I and most woman are still not taking that risk. There is no dick worth even that small a chance. There are too many options and we dont need the validation that bad. We don't need to "just approach more" because being told no isnt the risk. Women are making a different risk calculation than men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 08:09 PM |
| 0 | Why doesn't the red pill push for expanded views of attractiveness?Doing the work means examining where your preferences come from. Some of your examples are different from what I'm talking about. Many Asian Americans prefer dating other Asians because of shared culture, history, language, family expectations, and lived experience. That's different from a culturally imposed beauty standard. For example, I'm a Southeast Asian, brown-skinned, Muslim, non-binary trans femme. If I met another Southeast Asian woman somewhere on the gender spectrum, I'd probably feel… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 08:04 PM |
| 1 | Why doesn't the red pill push for expanded views of attractiveness?Encouraged to deconstruct is not tell them to be with. You dont even understand the sentence you are quoting | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 07:48 PM |
| 1 | Why doesn't the red pill push for expanded views of attractiveness?If you wont even try to give my real view I dont feel like trying to explain your strawman to you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 07:25 PM |
| 6 | Many women have been socially programmed to be self-centered and narcissistic.Women grow food and with no men we dont need to be protected from other men who wouldnt be there. Women also invented those. DNA was "discovered" by multiple people, like all those had people inviting similar things. Women being cut out and denied the recognition we deserve is another problem solved by men not being around. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 07:24 PM |
| -1 | We pathologize male passivity in dating but reward female passivity and nobody can explain why without circular logicYou dont follow the news then. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 07:21 PM |
| 2 | Many women have been socially programmed to be self-centered and narcissistic.Women can piss standing up so im not sure what you would point to? Men do a lot of things women dont do like beat people to death. Violently rape people. What exactly do men do that women cant? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 06:49 PM |
| 4 | We pathologize male passivity in dating but reward female passivity and nobody can explain why without circular logicWomen aren't equally passive. They often pursue differently, and they're also routinely shamed when they do. That's an important part of the equation you're leaving out. If you want genuinely equal dating dynamics, you first need a society where women can approach without being labeled desperate, easy, or promiscuous, and where they don't have to worry about their safety after expressing interest. So yes, I'd like to see more women initiate too. But you don't get there by pretending both sexes a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 06:47 PM |
| 2 | Many women have been socially programmed to be self-centered and narcissistic.Without men women could create and maintain the same society. Less and less i think men could as well. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 06:44 PM |
| 0 | What do you think women bring to the table and what do you want them to add?Is it wrong them treating me as a women is giving gender euphoria while making me want to fucking yell? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 06:43 PM |
| 1 | Why doesn't the red pill push for expanded views of attractiveness?No I want to hear the reasons the red pill has for why deconstructing harmful beliefs is not done. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 06:42 PM |
| 1 | Why doesn't the red pill push for expanded views of attractiveness?Its not that hard for women and minorities who have been doing this work for a long time. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 06:41 PM |
| -1 | Why doesn't the red pill push for expanded views of attractiveness?Have things changed in terms of how we understand human sexuality (yes btw)? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 06:40 PM |
| 6 | What do you think women bring to the table and what do you want them to add?Women would be slaves again if men got everything they wanted from women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 04:57 PM |
| 0 | Why doesn't the red pill push for expanded views of attractiveness?https://www.etymonline.com/word/Rubenesque 1904, of a woman's body, "rounded and alluringly plump," of the type characteristic of the paintings of Flemish painter Sir Peter Paul Rubens (1577-1640). For "of or characteristic of Rubens or his work," Rubensian (1890) has been used. You have no idea what history is. Like so many Red pillers, flat earthers and birthers you show how a very little bit of misunderstood "just so" knowledge goes a long way. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 04:56 PM |
| 2 | Many women have been socially programmed to be self-centered and narcissistic.No fucking way lol | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 03:14 PM |
| 4 | Many women have been socially programmed to be self-centered and narcissistic.When you dont communicate well, or are functionally illiterate... It does. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 03:13 PM |
| 2 | Many women have been socially programmed to be self-centered and narcissistic.Thats not how this works. Have you read an actual study or things written by actual researchers or do you use "alternative" sources like the flat earthers and anti vax morons? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 03:11 PM |
| 5 | Many women have been socially programmed to be self-centered and narcissistic.You dont understand gender on a foundational level. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 03:09 PM |
| 15 | Women should not have friends (man, woman, child, or animal).No, you shouldn't have friends. Apparently the only acceptable relationship is one where everyone exists in a rigid hierarchy instead of actually liking each other. This is an insanely abusive view and should be relegated to the dustbin of history. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 03:07 PM |
| 2 | Many women have been socially programmed to be self-centered and narcissistic.Do you think in any way I agree with you? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 02:35 PM |
| 2 | Why doesn't the red pill push for expanded views of attractiveness?Baiting = giving a normal opinion most people have? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 02:20 PM |
| -4 | Why doesn't the red pill push for expanded views of attractiveness?That's not the question I asked. I understand that Red Pill believes attraction is non-negotiable. I'm asking why the movement doesn't encourage men to examine why they're attracted to what they're attracted to in the first place. We know beauty standards change across cultures and throughout history. If attraction is influenced by culture, media, and socialization, why isn't deconstructing those influences considered self-improvement? Why is lifting weights or improving your confidence self-imp… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 02:19 PM |
| 42 | Many women have been socially programmed to be self-centered and narcissistic.No, what you're seeing is women finally deciding they're not going to center every fucking part of their lives around men anymore. That's all this is. For generations, women were expected to organize their lives around men's wants, careers, emotions, and approval. Now that many women are prioritizing themselves, you interpret equality as narcissism. It's the same principle behind the saying: when you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression. Women no longer centering men isn't … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 02:14 PM |
| 1 | Having casual sex will help men have better relationshipsYou're actually very close to something useful, but it isn't casual sex itself that changes people's perspective. It's understanding that sex isn't some metaphysical end goal or the ultimate expression of a relationship. It's one form of intimacy, and sometimes it's just sex. Learning to have a healthy, sex-positive view of sexuality means understanding the full spectrum—from deeply emotional intimacy to completely casual encounters. Once you stop treating sex as the prize at the end of dating, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 01:48 PM |
| -5 | Why doesn't the red pill push for expanded views of attractiveness?It is imposed and cultivated by the society around you. That is showing in ever culture and time period. Why not deconstruct those. Breasts are not some magical body part but large breasts are the most common fetish in American culture, but in may times and cultures small breasts were the highest standard. https://polytech-health-aesthetics.com/en/blog/article/beautiful-breast-beautiful-body-are-they-the-same-all-around-the-world/ https://socialhistory.org.uk/shs_exchange/before-the-boob-job/ | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 01:12 PM |
| 1 | Why doesn't the red pill push for expanded views of attractiveness?"Why doesn't the redpill encourage people to settledeconstruct inherited beauty standards from a made up 1950s fever dream?" Fixed that so it is actually what i am saying not a strawman. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 01:06 PM |
| 5 | do you truly believe the bar is lower for men?Men getting called a great dad just for being around their own kids is not equivalent to women being praised for changing a tire. Those are completely different social dynamics. Childcare is a place where men are routinely given a lower bar. Fathers are often praised for doing what mothers are simply expected to do. That's not a "parenting thing." That's men getting a pass. Women get called "queen" for changing a tire because women were historically discouraged or outright excluded from learning… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 12:04 PM |
| – | Red pill "logic" applied to men shows the absurdity needed.She's not a modern feminist and her views have been left behind | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 09:57 AM |
| 4 | Enshittification of sugar dating is a sign things are badYou are just talking about the stock market as applied to relationships. Of course it pulls a wide range of ethical frameworks. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/26 07:06 PM |
| 23 | Enshittification of sugar dating is a sign things are badIf you treat relationships as transactional, don't be surprised when women treat your wallet the way you treat their bodies. You're playing the same game. They just have the stronger bargaining position. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/26 07:01 PM |
| 0 | Dating experiments prove men are picky and not as desperate like they claim to be.You dont like women anyway. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/26 05:43 PM |
| -1 | Dating experiments prove men are picky and not as desperate like they claim to be.And women worry about being raped. We all have suffering. Have fun being thinking your special but me have a sprained ankle and women are trying to survive a fucking car crash. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/26 04:47 PM |
| 0 | Dating experiments prove men are picky and not as desperate like they claim to be.Ya, it seems men's ability to read women is about as bad as their ability to listen to us. The more I interact with the men on this sub, and honestly with men outside the incredibly progressive bubble I spent most of my life in, the more confident I become that medically transitioning was the right decision for me. I spent forty years being perceived as a man, just got very good at masking as one. Sure I know where these cultural narratives come from. I understand the media, the socialization, a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/26 05:04 AM |
| 1 | Dating experiments prove men are picky and not as desperate like they claim to be.I know he wont is the thing. It highlights how fucked it is. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/26 04:49 AM |
| 2 | Dating experiments prove men are picky and not as desperate like they claim to be.Im saying conflating sa with sex is the problem even beyond using csa. Even if an incel sa'd hundreds of women he would be an incel because he still would have still never had sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/26 01:14 AM |
| 0 | Dating experiments prove men are picky and not as desperate like they claim to be.I'm not dismissing men's suffering. I'm saying it isn't unique. Loneliness, trauma, rejection, mental illness, discrimination, and economic insecurity are things the rest of us have had to navigate too. The difference is that women, LGBTQ people, racial minorities, immigrants, disabled people—we didn't get a choice. We had to adapt because the world wasn't built around us. Arguably, what's happening now is that men are no longer being prioritized to the same degree they once were. That doesn't m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/26 12:59 AM |
| -2 | Dating experiments prove men are picky and not as desperate like they claim to be.No going to that example edit it so youre not implying CSA could theoretically anything. That is not sex and implying sa of anyone would make an incel "stop being one". Its rape culture bullshit promotion that sa is about sex. SA is about power and domination. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/26 12:46 AM |
| 2 | Dating experiments prove men are picky and not as desperate like they claim to be.Yeah. I fundamentally blew up my life, changed one of the biggest aspects of my identity, am learning to live as an entirely different version of myself, and am literally going through a second puberty at 40. I also grew up in America. I grew up in Orange County, California. I was raised under the same patriarchal norms everyone else was. So I'm not sure how I somehow magically escaped that conditioning. You can recognize the bullshit you inherited and choose not to perpetuate it. So... ...Appar… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/26 12:43 AM |
| 0 | Dating experiments prove men are picky and not as desperate like they claim to be.This is fucking disturbing. Even the most charitable reading this is fucking disturbing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/26 12:38 AM |
| 1 | Dating experiments prove men are picky and not as desperate like they claim to be.That's pretty ambiguous. What, specifically, is the "leg up" you think I have? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/26 12:37 AM |
| 0 | Dating experiments prove men are picky and not as desperate like they claim to be.No. You're at the top of the social hierarchy. I'm sorry if it sucks for you, but it sucks for all of us. Don't come to a trans woman talking about mental health, trauma, social anxiety, discrimination, or economic pressure like those are uniquely male problems. Trans women have some of the highest rates of depression, anxiety, PTSD, unemployment, homelessness, and violent victimization in society. Employment discrimination against trans women is well documented, and many are pushed into surviva… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/26 12:34 AM |
| 2 | Dating experiments prove men are picky and not as desperate like they claim to be.You know, you can just be a whole-ass adult, right? You don't have to perpetuate generational trauma just because you inherited it. Instead of trying to justify or excuse it, why not do something actually radical and accept that it's happening? That's the first step to changing it. I don't know what to tell you, man. You're arguing as though people are incapable of change. History says otherwise. Society gets better because people choose to stop perpetuating the bullshit they inherited. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/26 12:12 AM |
| 1 | Dating experiments prove men are picky and not as desperate like they claim to be.And you think I would be in support of middle schoolers going through that? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 11:45 PM |
| 2 | Dating experiments prove men are picky and not as desperate like they claim to be.Again, looksmaxxing is wanting to be sexually attractive to other men. Women are not men. Estrogen is not testosterone. And no, before you ask again, I'm not saying women don't like fit men or nice hair. I'm saying you've reduced attraction to a checklist of physical traits because that's how you think about attraction. I've explained before. You just keep asking the same question because you don't want to engage with the answer. You want there to be a universal formula because that's easier tha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 10:38 PM |
| 0 | Dating experiments prove men are picky and not as desperate like they claim to be.I mean, in my experience, most women are looking for a man who's emotionally available, compassionate, empathetic, good with children, and capable of being a reciprocal partner. In other words, a whole-ass emotionally mature adult. Women don't want to be your mommy. They don't want to manage your emotions, your friendships, your hygiene, your appointments, or teach you basic empathy. And you still haven't answered my question: what does "all-in woke" actually mean? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 10:33 PM |
| 2 | Dating experiments prove men are picky and not as desperate like they claim to be.I'm legitimately a little disturbed by this response. Yes. Women are individual human beings. Of course they have different standards, different preferences, different boundaries, and different things they're attracted to. The fact that this even surprises you is exactly the problem. You're looking for a universal algorithm instead of recognizing that women are people, not NPCs running the same script.. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 10:22 PM |
| 3 | Dating experiments prove men are picky and not as desperate like they claim to be.Half of me wants to cut them a little slack. Then I remember men built the systems that centered themselves in virtually every aspect of society. Even after generations of being told they're the default human, you'd think basic empathy would eventually kick in and make them realize the world doesn't revolve around them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 10:16 PM |
| -1 | Dating experiments prove men are picky and not as desperate like they claim to be.You've never read a history book then. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 10:13 PM |
| 1 | Dating experiments prove men are picky and not as desperate like they claim to be.I'm glad you brought up looksmaxxing, because it's actually a perfect example. Most of looksmaxxing isn't based on what women consistently say they're attracted to. It's based on what men think other men should aspire to look like. It's the male gaze directed at men. That's exactly my point. Instead of listening to women, you keep optimizing for an ideal other men created, then wonder why it doesn't produce the results you expected. If you want an exact checklist, ask the individual woman. That'… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 10:12 PM |
| 3 | Dating experiments prove men are picky and not as desperate like they claim to be.I have no idea where you got that from. I never said women are a reward for men improving. That's such a complete misreading of what I wrote that I'm starting to question your reading comprehension. My point was that if your approach isn't working, you change your approach—not that women owe you anything for doing so. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 10:06 PM |
| -3 | Dating experiments prove men are picky and not as desperate like they claim to be.I mean, if you want to believe that, feel free. Women have been telling you otherwise for years. As I've pointed out repeatedly on this sub, you just don't listen. It's easier to invent reasons women are wrong than to make the kinds of changes women are actually asking for. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 10:03 PM |
| 3 | Dating experiments prove men are picky and not as desperate like they claim to be.And this is exactly why women say the bar is in hell. Treating women like whole-ass adults isn't "progressive." It's the bare minimum. If you think respecting women as equal human beings is some kind of radical political position, you've already made my point. Also, I'd genuinely love to know what you think "all-in woke" actually means. Because right now it sounds like you're using it as a stand-in for "women expect basic respect and equality." Those aren't the same thing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 10:00 PM |
| -1 | Dating experiments prove men are picky and not as desperate like they claim to be.Holy shit you treated us like basic humans what the fuck! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 09:57 PM |
| 1 | Dating experiments prove men are picky and not as desperate like they claim to be.Hey I agree they dont have any reality to work with. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 09:51 PM |
| 2 | Dating experiments prove men are picky and not as desperate like they claim to be.There's a reason people keep saying men aren't desperate enough. They don't make any meaningful effort to change. They don't adapt to the society they actually live in; they keep insisting society should adapt to them. If things are really as miserable as they claim, why keep doing the exact same thing that's been failing for years? If your approach doesn't work, you change your approach. That's what everyone else has had to do. Women adapted to changing social expectations. LGBTQ people adapted… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 09:43 PM |
| 0 | How do you define a female friend?I think people are talking past each other because they're using different definitions of "female friend." I don't think they mean a coworker you're friendly with or someone you see in a hobby group. They mean someone who trusts you the same way she'd trust her other close women friends. When I used to live as a man, that was the difference. The friendships were unambiguously platonic, so women would come to me with the same things they'd ask their other women friends about: relationship problem… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 08:51 PM |
| 2 | Would you like to live in a post gender society?More than 700 anti trans laws tried to be passed last year. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 07:41 PM |
| 3 | Would you like to live in a post gender society?There isn't a single age. Puberty varies from child to child, which is why treatment is based on physical development—specifically Tanner staging—rather than birthdays. The decision is individualized, involving parents, mental health professionals, and pediatric endocrinologists. The goal is to pause puberty only if it has begun and persistent gender dysphoria is causing significant distress. It isn't an automatic process. It's the same reason there isn't one age when girls get their first perio… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 04:01 PM |
| 2 | Would you like to live in a post gender society?You have to understand that this isn't an abstract debate for me. These talking points you're parroting, or simply haven't taken the time to understand, affect my ability to safely exist in the world. When those ideas spread, my life becomes more dangerous. It's hard not to get aggravated. The point about left-handedness—which I already explained above—is that left-handedness was "zero" in 13th-century Europe. Children were beaten until they used their right hand. We stopped doing that, and sudd… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 03:58 PM |
| 3 | Would you like to live in a post gender society?The medication is a GnRH agonist (gonadotropin-releasing hormone agonist), such as leuprolide (Lupron) or triptorelin. These medications have been used since the 1980s to treat central precocious puberty in cisgender children. They are not HRT and they don't make someone transition—they temporarily pause puberty. The accepted standard of care is to start with social support: allowing a child to dress how they're comfortable, use the name and pronouns they prefer, and work with a qualified mental… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 03:25 PM |
| 2 | Would you like to live in a post gender society?No its trying to illustrate we have oppressing trans people. When we stop more feel safe to come out. It makes sense you dont understand history. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 03:16 PM |
| 4 | Would you like to live in a post gender society?Good thing that DOESN'T HAPPEN. See the actual guidelines and stop using fox news talking points. Medication (the same given to kids since the 80s) happens at Tanner Stage 2. A term you dont know. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 03:02 PM |
| 2 | Would you like to live in a post gender society?How rare was left handedness in 13th century Europe? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 03:00 PM |
| 1 | What's your opinion on vtubers?I think you wanted to do ask the red pill not ask women | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 01:27 PM |
| 3 | What's your opinion on vtubers?You literally made my point for me. Characters made by men for men. Women complain about those because they're created to satisfy a male fantasy. That's a completely different thing from women creating avatars for themselves. Men will watch women do fucking anything. The fact that a male audience exists doesn't mean the content was made for men. Most VTubers aren't sitting there thinking, "How do I embody the perfect male fantasy?" They're making an avatar that represents how they want to exist … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 12:56 PM |
| 6 | What's your opinion on vtubers?As a woman who'd probably use a VTuber avatar, yeah, I'd make it look the way I wish I looked. That would probably mean more conventionally attractive and more feminine than I am. Not because I'm trying to sexually attract men, but because that's how I want to exist. There is something about cis male culture that turns everything into sex. That's why you people look at VTubers and immediately compare them to sex work. It's why you think LGBT people are "sexualizing children." It's why trans wome… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 12:37 PM |
| 4 | CMV: It is not the premature ejaculator's job to solve the problem, it is the other partner's, because they are the ones who wants them to last longerChallenge 1: You're trying to say the person you're having sex with understands your body and orgasm cycle better than you do. If that's true, that's a you problem. Your partner can tell you what works for them. They cannot tell you exactly how close you are to orgasm. That's something you have to learn about your own body. Challenge 2: Yes, if your partner wants you to last longer, they should absolutely help accommodate that. That might mean more foreplay, using toys, delaying penetration, avo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 11:57 AM |
| 1 | Red pill should go to therapy to learn how to listen.It doesnt matter im telling you the pronouns that I use. Unless you dont care I use he him for you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 10:32 AM |
| 2 | Would you like to live in a post gender society?Then retract your original statement. If you forgot an entire category of human relationships before making a universal claim about attraction, the problem wasn't my rebuttal—it was your premise. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 03:47 AM |
| 3 | Would you like to live in a post gender society?That's a bizarre admission. It's 2026. Gay people aren't some hidden, unknowable group. If you're making a universal claim about what all relationships require while simultaneously admitting you don't know enough about homosexual relationships to evaluate whether your theory even applies to them, you're arguing in bad faith. You're making claims you're admitting you don't have the knowledge to support. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 03:26 AM |
| 2 | Would you like to live in a post gender society?You're still conflating sex and gender. Gender is a human social and psychological phenomenon. Animals have sexes; they don't have gender in the human sense. And sex isn't nearly as simple as you're pretending. There are people with XX chromosomes and testes, XY chromosomes and a uterus, androgen insensitivity, 5-alpha-reductase deficiency, SRY translocation, chimerism, mosaicism, and countless other variations. We don't sequence chromosomes or inspect gonads in the delivery room—we observe anat… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 03:23 AM |
| 6 | Would you like to live in a post gender society?Then apparently you don't need polarity. Two men or two women are, by your definition, the same pole. Yet gay and lesbian relationships clearly exist and sustain desire. So "polarity" can't be a necessary condition for attraction. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 03:05 AM |
| 3 | Would you like to live in a post gender society?"Assigned at birth" is a false concept? If I point at you and assign you to be a man, does that make you a man? Of course not. Assignment is just someone else's classification based on the information they have at the time. It isn't what makes you who you are. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 03:05 AM |
| – | Everything that men claim women are is pure projection.Their entire argument is built on decontextualized statistics. The 70% divorce figure is a perfect example. He removes all of the social, legal, and historical context, assumes the number explains itself, and then treats his preferred conclusion as proven. That's not an honest attempt to understand why the statistic exists; it's an ideological conclusion looking for a citation. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 03:03 AM |
| 1 | Would you like to live in a post gender society?So what is homosexuality? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 02:49 AM |
| 2 | Would you like to live in a post gender society?How do you think we discuss concepts that are socially constructed like money and government? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 02:47 AM |
| 2 | Would you like to live in a post gender society?Are you saying afab men arent lesbian because yes thats right, amab women attracted to women are though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 02:46 AM |
| 5 | Would you like to live in a post gender society?This is just historical illiteracy. Gender diversity didn't begin on Tumblr in 2014. We have records spanning centuries across Indigenous North American cultures, India, Thailand, Japan, the Mediterranean, and many other societies. Western education simply centered a Eurocentric, patriarchal narrative that treated everyone else as invisible. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 02:45 AM |
| 4 | Would you like to live in a post gender society?Denying that gender exists as a distinct concept from biological sex is about as scientifically credible as denying evolution or insisting the Earth is flat. You don't have to like the concept, but psychology, medicine, sociology, and anthropology all use it because it describes a real phenomenon. https://www.who.int/news-room/questions-and-answers/item/gender-and-health Gender refers to socially constructed characteristics of women and men – such as norms, roles and relations of and between gro… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 02:32 AM |
| 2 | Would you like to live in a post gender society?You just switched hypotheticals. First you argued that "no gender roles" means everyone becomes the same person. Now you're talking about the speculative biotech scenario. Those aren't the same thing. Now the other is more about medical science and future tech. Imagine a world where we all had the same genitals or got to pick our genitals and binary sex itself became meaningless. The point here being we're essentially all gender fluid and completely equal. No more being forced to be either male … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 02:27 AM |
| 3 | Would you like to live in a post gender society?This is like saying money doesn't exist because it's just paper. Gender is one of the frameworks through which humans organize attraction. If gender didn't exist, heterosexuality and homosexuality wouldn't even make sense as words. We'd be describing attraction in a completely different way. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 02:24 AM |
| 5 | Would you like to live in a post gender society?Because freedom is generally better than coercion. You can still choose traditional gender roles. The difference is that they stop being mandatory for everyone else. Why is giving people more agency over their own lives worse than restricting it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 02:20 AM |
| 8 | Would you like to live in a post gender society?Why is it better to give people Freedom as opposed to controlling them that's an insane question. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 02:04 AM |
| 3 | Would you like to live in a post gender society?Hi and yes, I guess im the new girly lol. Its funny though you think they listen to us as we have a pretty unique experience of being on both sides of these issues. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 02:03 AM |
| 1 | Red pill should go to therapy to learn how to listen.It’s amazing that you somehow still can’t read. I’m not saying you should listen to women’s dating advice. I’m saying you don’t listen to women about fucking anything. You’re doing it again right now: taking what I actually said, transposing it into a different claim, and then arguing against the version you invented. You are literally the example I could point to of someone being unable to listen to another person—especially when, in your view, that person is a woman. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 02:02 AM |
| 3 | Would you like to live in a post gender society?That is just as wrong as flat earth. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 02:00 AM |
| 6 | Would you like to live in a post gender society?Is there something about being cis that makes it impossible to imagine anything besides a strict binary? "No gender roles" doesn't mean "everyone becomes the same person." It means people aren't forced into roles based on gender. That's a completely different claim. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 01:23 AM |
| 4 | Would you like to live in a post gender society?Where do you think sexuality comes from? Im afraid you wont realize thats not a real question the answer is gender. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 01:21 AM |
| 4 | Would you like to live in a post gender society?You know we have guns now right? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 01:21 AM |
| 5 | Would you like to live in a post gender society?What kind of world do you think you live in? Do you honestly believe the only thing motivating people to have kids is gender roles? That's such a bizarre way to look at human relationships. People aren't avoiding children because women wear pants or men cry. They're avoiding children because they're expensive as fuck and the future feels increasingly unstable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 01:20 AM |
| 5 | Would you like to live in a post gender society?The only people making this a "division" issue are conservatives. We just want to fucking exist. It's hard to "stop making it political" when one side keeps trying to legislate whether you get to exist in public. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 01:19 AM |
| 6 | Would you like to live in a post gender society?You can have your gender role even if we're not socially enforcing it on the entirety of humanity. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 01:18 AM |
| 6 | Would you like to live in a post gender society?I really can't separate this question from my own life. There's a pretty common question in the trans community: if you could push a button and instantly become the other gender, would you press it? This feels like a variation of that, and for me the answer is an obvious yes. Let's fucking get rid of gender norms. Let's get rid of gendered expectations. Let kids grow into whoever they are instead of forcing them into arbitrary boxes. Hell, we can already move in that direction. Let kids socially… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 01:17 AM |
| 1 | Red pill should go to therapy to learn how to listen.So if I say use she her with me you would or wouldnt? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/26 11:58 PM |
| 1 | Red pill should go to therapy to learn how to listen.No not man hater just a hater of people who actually say they dont listen to half the population. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/26 11:57 PM |
| 1 | Red pill should go to therapy to learn how to listen.Its almost like internal and external isnt always immediately readable which is why we now do useful things like say pronouns. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/26 11:19 PM |
| 1 | Red pill should go to therapy to learn how to listen.A woman is a person whose gender identity aligns with the culturally constructed cognitive schema associated with women—a schema that is strongly, though imperfectly, correlated with traits historically associated with the female sex. You dont understand sex and gender (more than two) are not the same they are correlation not causation. A woman is anyone who lives and wants to be perceived in the world as a woman. Sorry gender studies 101 is to complex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/26 11:05 PM |
| 0 | Red pill should go to therapy to learn how to listen.I was perceived by the world as a man. I'm fine shaming Christian nationalists because being an intolerant zealot or a bigot is a choice. Good. Shaming people who dont listen to women a full half the world. About the same to me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/26 11:01 PM |
| -1 | Red pill should go to therapy to learn how to listen.No my point was perhaps your idea of what a woman wants is wrong. I have always been a woman. The same empathy, active listening, compassion, emotionality, i spent more time with women then men and for most I was in their words the gayest straight guy they know. To clear things up again I have always been a woman, I just looked like a man and got called he/him. Even that stopped at around mid 20s when I was gender fluid. A woman is better at dating women than you is the point. But of course you … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/26 10:09 PM |
| -2 | Red pill should go to therapy to learn how to listen.I never had any of these problems with women when I presented as male. How does it feel knowing a lesbian trans woman is better at dating than you? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/26 09:41 PM |
| 2 | Women aren't as innocent as the crime stats make you believeThere ideology is women should stay in the kitchen and you cant be raped in marriage. Christian nationalism isnt a working ideology. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/26 06:45 PM |
| 1 | Red pill should go to therapy to learn how to listen.Active listening is about making a conscious effort to hear and understand someone else. When we actively listen, we demonstrate concern, limit our interruptions, and ask open-ended questions. We commit all our attention to the speaker and establish an environment of trust and judgment-free engagement (Younger, 2023). https://www.cmu.edu/student-affairs/civility/resources/active-listening.html Active listening is the act of intentionally engaging with communication. core components of active lis… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/26 06:41 PM |
| 1 | Red pill should go to therapy to learn how to listen.https://youtu.be/mnUp7WgZ2TU?is=eTwz5qzyDaAE-Hly https://youtu.be/0nmJW_zExk0?is=Y_yFucGKRXRsEbcc https://youtu.be/pQ77Nr6TgZo?is=OD7LaGIxc12rvg92 Since you never got taught in school these elementary grade level short videos may be a bit advanced but you'll manage | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/26 06:27 PM |
| 8 | Women aren't as innocent as the crime stats make you believeRollo is a fucking moron as big as Willson is. They both "debate" by spewing jargon refusing a positive position and refusing any defining of terms. These people are children in their daddies suits. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/26 06:22 PM |
| 0 | Red pill should go to therapy to learn how to listen.It necessitates actually listening im sorry you are incapable of that it seems. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/26 06:14 PM |
| 6 | Women aren't as innocent as the crime stats make you believeDo me a favor what do you think my histroy point is saying because it isnt what you are responding to. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/26 05:38 PM |
| 8 | Women aren't as innocent as the crime stats make you believeYou guys, seemingly, can't understand structural explanations. When I was twenty, one of the first things I learned from feminism was that the personal is political—that individual outcomes are shaped by history, economics, law, and social structures. The moment you want to portray men as the victims, suddenly that analysis done by feminists is replaced by "your own research" like all conspiracy theorists. Suddenly history doesn't matter. Patriarchy doesn't exist. Economics doesn't matter. Socia… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/26 05:24 PM |
| -6 | Red pill should go to therapy to learn how to listen.Difference between hearing and listening. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/26 01:24 PM |
| -3 | Red pill should go to therapy to learn how to listen.Not what I said but great strawwoman | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/26 01:03 PM |
| -5 | Red pill should go to therapy to learn how to listen.You dont listen and seem to not read either, go back and read for the first time what I say about looksmaxxing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/26 01:02 PM |
| 2 | Red pill "logic" applied to men shows the absurdity needed.You literally quoted my post and then argued against something I never said. I never argued that if women held a majority of political office everything would magically be better. I pointed out that the fact that majority of these people who do attain power are overwhelmingly responsible for the kinds of authoritarian movements, political violence, predatory platforms, and misogynistic grifts we are seeing. Then you abandon my argument entirely and launch into construction workers, soldiers, abo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/26 01:32 AM |
| 1 | Red pill "logic" applied to men shows the absurdity needed.The algorithm knew lol. The last few years my content has gotten more queer and trans content. Like, I was a far right Mormon growing up and sorta manosphere... now I'm a trans woman and a "radical leftist" and feminist 😂 def was suppressing my transness though for a long while. Ya I think the in group thing is what does it. I have never been in that position. I have a list of adjectives a dozen deep. I was a freshman in high school on 9/11 and Muslim in a school with 5 other Muslim brown kids. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/26 01:10 AM |
| 2 | Red pill "logic" applied to men shows the absurdity needed.It amazes me how much manosphere content is straight up gay media. This is a great overview https://youtu.be/c1UnCeZBnpI?is=oNqSKjfzWpz2SwGk Seriously these guys are morons. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 11:40 PM |
| 0 | Red pill "logic" applied to men shows the absurdity needed.Ive heard that actually, it will be interesting to see if that is the case. I dont really think it will be, its not like im straight anyway, the balance may shift. The funny thing is a lot of the guys in the red pill would probably want to be with a trans girl, they would just beat the hell out of us after. Did you see that right winger get outed recently. It is something I really should examine, the fact is most trans women end up being the type of women they guys crave. Make up always done, be… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 08:51 PM |
| 1 | Red pill "logic" applied to men shows the absurdity needed.Great good to know you agree and will update your world view. Its very big of you to admit your wrong. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 05:00 PM |
| 11 | The debate about age gaps in relationships reveals the double standard of blue pillers.Every time the Red Pill gets a chance to reassure people that it isn't about grown men chasing barely legal girls, someone says something like, "Women naturally prefer older men," and immediately sets off every red flag imaginable. Predators use that exact justification. Sometimes I genuinely think you guys watched Matthew McConaughey's character in Dazed and Confused and thought he was the hero instead of the joke. I also have no idea which "blue pillers" are saying young men have nothing to of… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 04:54 PM |
| 1 | Red pill "logic" applied to men shows the absurdity needed.You just exposed why you don’t understand logic. You insulted me first by calling me elitist. I’m mostly just pointing out the flaws in what you’re saying. You still haven’t actually made an argument. You made a claim without substantiating it, and now you’re simply repeating it while refusing to provide any support. You’ve also apparently abandoned the claim that psychology has established women are less logical or objective. That’s fine. It’s okay to be wrong. Being wrong doesn’t automatically… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 04:50 PM |
| 1 | Red pill "logic" applied to men shows the absurdity needed.Your lack of education notwithstanding, no, you're confusing making an inference with making a justified inference. An inference is only as good as the evidence supporting it, and you haven't justified yours. "Justification is in the eye of the beholder" is not how epistemology or logic works. You're also conflating motivated reasoning with logic. Goals influence what conclusions people want to reach; they do not determine whether an argument is valid. What you're describing is motivated reasoni… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 03:44 PM |
| 1 | Red pill "logic" applied to men shows the absurdity needed.Nope. Try again. You're confusing "making an inference" with "making a justified inference." The problem isn't that people infer things; it's when they observe an aggregate pattern and immediately conclude it's innate while ignoring competing explanations. That's the leap I'm criticizing. And "logic is determined entirely by goals" isn't a serious account of logic. Goals determine what you're trying to accomplish; they don't determine whether an argument is valid. You might want to pick up The P… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 02:52 PM |
| -3 | Red pill "logic" applied to men shows the absurdity needed.Youre right no one can deny hormonal profiles affect personality expression. Personally I am blockers getting ready for Estrogen and just that has made a difference. I tear up so much easier now, no I have always been more emotional than my male friends, im more emotional than my cis wife, but its so much easier to actually release that emotion now. I have been in therapy since I was 12, ive spent the majority of my life learning about these things. Its not really possible to explain this, thoug… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 01:45 PM |
| 1 | "Some men aren't given the opportunity to show off their personality" is a victim narrative myth and a red flag.Its the same thing red pillers do all the time, taking a real principle and abusing the fuck out of it. That idea comes from business the idea you cant succeed without aid. Its pretty socialist tbh. The problem is the red pill fails at context. They have a flat simplistic child like way of dealing with the public private sphere difference. I also think youre being a bit unfair to the guy youre using as an example, as it is split between the incel version and the nerd version. A lot of thoes guys… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 01:29 PM |
| -2 | Red pill "logic" applied to men shows the absurdity needed.You're arguing against a position I don't hold. My point is that Red Pill reasoning often goes: observe an aggregate pattern, infer an innate biological cause, and ignore alternative explanations. I'm saying that reasoning is flawed. The fact that you immediately responded with "most X doesn't mean most Y" is ironic, because that's exactly the inferential leap I'm criticizing. And before making claims like "psychology has found women to be less logical," cite a modern peer-reviewed source that a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 01:17 PM |
| 5 | Red pill "logic" applied to men shows the absurdity needed.Interesting that your first reaction to a man behaving badly is to ask what the woman must have done. That's exactly the kind of gendered reasoning I'm criticizing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 01:13 PM |
| 1 | Red pill "logic" applied to men shows the absurdity needed.Interesting. So when men overwhelmingly occupy positions associated with corruption, authoritarianism, and exploitation, it's because of class and institutions. But when women show aggregate dating preferences, it's because of female nature? That's exactly the double standard I'm criticizing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 01:09 PM |
| -1 | Red pill "logic" applied to men shows the absurdity needed.You're arguing against a post I didn't write. I'm not trying to explain why men join the Red Pill or how to persuade them. I'm criticizing the logic that underpins many Red Pill claims. If you can look at aggregate behavior and infer an innate nature about women, then the same reasoning would let me infer an innate nature about men from the aggregate harms overwhelmingly committed by men. The point is that this style of reasoning is flawed, not that men are inherently bad. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 01:08 PM |
| – | Men insist on being married and having children when they clearly do not have the means to.I mostly agree with you, actually. Men who don't have stable careers, refuse to help raise their children, and don't support their partners absolutely should not have kids. Where I disagree is the idea that financial instability alone is enough to say someone shouldn't become a parent. This is probably the socialist in me, but I believe everyone, regardless of education or income, should have access to the basics: housing, food, healthcare, and the ability to raise a family. To me, the most impo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 01:07 PM |
| – | Debate: women are allowed to distrust men, men are not allowed to distrust women (repost as I dodn't partipate within three hours)You really should learn what the term equality feels like oppression means. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 11:42 AM |
| – | My (35m) girlfriend (32f) broke up with me because I didn't "support her" and had "mental health" issues. I'm curious where I could have improved.You clearly provided financially and practically. Nobody's denying that. But half of this list is just what I'd expect from someone in a committed relationship. Going to a funeral, driving your partner to see a dying grandparent, helping them move, talking to their parents—those aren't extraordinary acts of emotional support. They're the baseline. The fact that you present them as evidence you went above and beyond makes me think you see relationships as a ledger of transactions instead of askin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 11:16 AM |
| – | You can’t claim to have decentered men if you complain about men all the time.Look up Intersectionality. I dont know man read a book because nothing you are saying is true. A single comment cant teach you why all the stuff you believe is fucking stupid, that is a life time process. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 11:09 AM |
| 4 | Women Sometimes Do Bad and Anti-Social Things towards Men and Boys. This is a Radical Idea to Women Here.Explain what about it is wrong or an issue? Just yelling ai slop doesn't mean anything. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 01:45 AM |
| 2 | Women Sometimes Do Bad and Anti-Social Things towards Men and Boys. This is a Radical Idea to Women Here.You put a lot of work into not understanding fucking anything. Nobody disagrees that men and boys have problems, or that some women are genuinely awful people. That's never been the argument. Take the divorce statistic. "Women initiate 70% of divorces." Okay. That doesn't tell you why. Initiating a divorce is not the same thing as causing the breakdown of a marriage. Men are also more likely to avoid filing even when the relationship is effectively over. Sometimes the wife is the problem. Someti… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 01:43 AM |
| 2 | why aren’t men happier about the fact that they can improve themselves to be more likeable to women?Cultivation theory. Men dont think they should have to. Having been centered in media men just cant conceptualize a world where they are not the top. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/26 09:09 PM |
| – | You can’t claim to have decentered men if you complain about men all the time.Feminism 101: men are a class. A class is simply a group of individuals who share an identifying characteristic that lets us analyze social patterns. That's why we talk about "men" or "women" when discussing systemic issues. It isn't the same thing as hating every individual man. MGTOW, on the other hand, wasn't just criticizing social structures. It became a movement that openly resented women. I know because I was there. I listened to Honey Badger Radio, read A Voice for Men, followed Paul Ela… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/26 07:26 PM |
| 2 | The Red Pill Will Never Have Good Prescriptions Because Its Historical Claims About Gender Are Wrong.You're accusing me of extrapolating, but I'm looking at what people do when they're actually given meaningful choices. As societies become more liberal and people gain legal rights, almost nobody voluntarily chooses to give those rights up. People don't choose chattel slavery. They don't choose to be legally rapable by a spouse. They don't choose coverture, where women couldn't own property or sign contracts. They don't choose laws that strip away their agency. The simpler point is this: people … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/26 07:21 PM |
| -10 | The Red Pill Will Never Have Good Prescriptions Because Its Historical Claims About Gender Are Wrong.Thats a very simplistic definition. A more academic one is a hierarchical structure that preferences men and masculinity while lessening women and femininity. Its why we bring up how jobs go down in wages when women enter that sector. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/07/26 04:46 PM |
| 0 | The Red Pill Will Never Have Good Prescriptions Because Its Historical Claims About Gender Are Wrong.Other than "it just is" where did you get throughout history, in most cultures anywhere on this planet, women have wanted men to lead and to protect, and have tended to stay home while men are the ones to leave the home to hunt, trade, explore, and fight. because men "being" the leader doesnt mean anyone wanted that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/26 03:22 PM |
| -9 | The Red Pill Will Never Have Good Prescriptions Because Its Historical Claims About Gender Are Wrong.Or one side is pushing for real things and the other has over lap with flat earth and anti vax. One side like you say has academia but these arent the middle ages. These institutions arent high jacked they are following actual real research. If something happens that makes feminism wrong it will be abandoned like eugenics. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/07/26 03:00 PM |
| 2 | Many women say that if a woman rejects a man, he should accept it and move on, never trying again.does a woman’s decision really have lasting value, or is it mainly influenced by the emotions and mood she’s experiencing at that moment? Holy fuck that is a disgusting question. Never been around women you dont see women as people. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/26 01:15 PM |
| 6 | You can’t claim to have decentered men if you complain about men all the time.Fuck, another post where the answer is literally just to spend 30 seconds on Google or take a Gender Studies 101 class. Hell, make it mandatory starting in fifth grade and teach it every year after that, because apparently that's the only way some of you are ever going to understand these concepts. Decentering men doesn't mean pretending men don't exist or never talking about them again. It means decentering male validation, male approval, and male perspectives from your own life. It changes the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/26 11:01 AM |
| -1 | Debate: Women engage in rape apologia of male victims more than men doYou need to add prison rapes but the bigger question is who is the one raping the man? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/26 01:19 AM |
| -3 | Debate: Women engage in rape apologia of male victims more than men doSo what exactly is the claim here? That women minimize male victims? Okay—which women? Because there absolutely are women who do that. The problem is that you're collapsing very different issues into one. When women call this whataboutism, it's usually because you're bringing up male victims in response to women talking about women being raped, rather than starting a discussion about male victims on its own. Also, a large portion of male rape victims are victimized in prison. That doesn't make i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/26 01:11 AM |
| – | Old people have no understanding of how dating works todayThe majority of the world isn't living in the hyper-online future you think it is. Look up the Tiffany problem. The only thing age really gives you is enough time to learn how much you don't know and how much is just the same shit. The biggest thing we old people know is what people are actually like outside the internet. The fundamentals haven't changed. Meet enough people in meaningful ways, be open to them, and relationships happen. Dating apps changed a tool, not human nature. You're not new… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 08:53 PM |
| 1 | The Red Pill Will Never Have Good Prescriptions Because Its Historical Claims About Gender Are Wrong.Feel free to continue having a problem with editing and just skip my posts. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 07:16 PM |
| 2 | The Red Pill Will Never Have Good Prescriptions Because Its Historical Claims About Gender Are Wrong.Yes and I dont disagree but nothing is inherent. Nature is not this set thing. Also where are the 40 year old trad wife influencers? There is Erica who is a single mother and ceo with staff (so traditional) but can you think of others? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 07:13 PM |
| 1 | The Red Pill Will Never Have Good Prescriptions Because Its Historical Claims About Gender Are Wrong.Where are the 40 year old tradwives? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 06:16 PM |
| 2 | The Red Pill Will Never Have Good Prescriptions Because Its Historical Claims About Gender Are Wrong.Do you have an issue with proper editing or normalized politically soft language? Maybe your issue is functional literacy? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 05:34 PM |
| 5 | The Red Pill Will Never Have Good Prescriptions Because Its Historical Claims About Gender Are Wrong.Its literally what I would physically say if I were in person and its "too much". That is is why they go to ai. Anything more complex than one catch phrase is beyond them. Its functional illiteracy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 02:56 PM |
| 2 | The Red Pill Will Never Have Good Prescriptions Because Its Historical Claims About Gender Are Wrong.Holy molly editing!!! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 02:25 PM |
| -1 | The Red Pill Will Never Have Good Prescriptions Because Its Historical Claims About Gender Are Wrong.Great like all not all men youre not one of them. You do understand however an ideology isnt just you right? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 02:25 PM |
| 1 | The Red Pill Will Never Have Good Prescriptions Because Its Historical Claims About Gender Are Wrong.The problem with this argument is that you're describing what Red Pill was two decades ago, not what it is today. Political and social movements evolve. The pickup artist community, the mythopoetic men's movement, the men's rights movement, feminism—they've all changed over time because the people, thought leaders, and dominant ideas changed. A movement is defined by the beliefs its influential voices actually promote, not by an abstract definition that ignores its current membership. If the ove… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 02:13 PM |
| 1 | The reason why a lot of men are struggling is because they do not want to date at their level. Below average men should date below average women. If you want better be better. Why are you asking another person to lower their standards for you, when you wont lower your standards?I don't know what world you fucking live in, because it sure as hell isn't the one the rest of us do. Women generally aren't evaluating men on some made-up numerical "level." They're looking for compatibility, shared values, attraction, and whether they actually enjoy being around you. And what the fuck do you people not understand about how society works? You're almost never interacting with people from some completely different social "level" in the first place. You date the people you meet, a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 01:37 PM |
| 1 | There’s no point in women freely give away sexual attention when men dont appreciate it.Walsh, and the other red hat media sphere went after it hard. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 01:08 PM |
| – | There’s no point in women freely give away sexual attention when men dont appreciate it.The problem is systemic, men especially white cis hete, have been centered in media for the majority of film. Cultivation theory Cultivation theory is a sociological concept that posits that our perceptions of social reality are significantly shaped by the messages and depictions we encounter on television. Developed in the 1960s by George Gerbner, the theory suggests that the more time individuals spend watching television, the more likely they are to adopt its portrayals as reflections of real… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 12:34 PM |
| 1 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.Youre Willing cook7268 my bad | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/26 09:35 PM |
| 1 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.Or maybe I wasn't really asking and trying to point out as I said with that person all the same abilities are already on a phone. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/26 08:36 PM |
| 1 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.The context of the post should be something you look at. Being context illiterate is like how no guy ever knows any of their friends have pushed any women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/26 08:06 PM |
| 1 | A lot of liberal women struggle in dating because what they're truly attracted to and what they say they want are usually contradictory.Respecting what women say and treating us like we know our inner landscape =/= treating us like goddess it is treating us like people. Im so sorry you dislike using common writing and editing. I could call you a dickless loser who misogynisticly pushes the same red pill bullshit WoM3mZ dOn+ understand what they want. Instead I gave you a full and moderated response. Try again. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/26 07:20 PM |
| 1 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.But defending a thing that is predominantly used to sexually harass women with a bullshit accessibility claim sure puts you in the same place. No officer i dont hate X I just justify the people who do. /s | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/26 07:15 PM |
| 1 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.So the added functionality is not part of the physical lens, and thoes already exist. Nothing they do other than recording women by creepy men is done only by the meta glasses. They also need to be paired to a phone anyway. Again nothing other than being able to record is uniquely set to while the thing that can do the same function is already needed. If you want to record women without telling them just say so. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/26 06:07 PM |
| 3 | A lot of liberal women struggle in dating because what they're truly attracted to and what they say they want are usually contradictory.You've been rejected by almost every intelligent, liberal woman you've approached, and somehow your conclusion is that they're wrong about what they want rather than considering that maybe it's a you problem. Have you considered that being intelligent and empathetic aren't the only traits people evaluate? Shared hobbies, compatible values, chemistry, communication style, emotional maturity, political worldview, life goals, humor, and basic compatibility all matter. What keeps showing up in these… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/26 05:53 PM |
| 1 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.What point was i making above then? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/26 05:48 PM |
| 1 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.And a cellphone does the exact same without the added harm. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/26 04:50 PM |
| -4 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.You should re look at history if you really think it was just white cis men. Women and minorities have been written out and are finally starting to be recognized. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/26 02:49 PM |
| 2 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.The overwhelming majority of HEAL (Health, Education, Administration, and Literacy) jobs are women. Yes women do the day to day protection of society. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/26 12:17 PM |
| 16 | Women arent conditioned to do everything they do by societyYou really do pick and choose what you believe based on what suits you. You absolutely can build an internally consistent ideology around almost anything if you actually think it through. The problem is that you don't. You flatten everything into the dumbest possible binary and then act like you've solved a complex social issue. Agency exists. Social conditioning exists. Structural constraints exist. None of those concepts contradict each other. People make choices, but those choices are made wi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/26 12:12 PM |
| 1 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.Let’s begin with a reality check. The Ray-Ban Meta glasses were designed for social media users (recall that Meta is the new name for the company that owns Facebook), to add pictures and videos to their social media accounts using a stylish pair of glasses equipped with a camera and speakers. Much of this is accomplished with a digital assistant, like Siri or Alexa, summoned with the built-in microphone (“Hey Meta!”). So, it’s important to note that the Meta glasses were not designed for low vis… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/26 08:10 AM |
| 2 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.Explain that? How is the ability to record an accessibility aid? They dont help you see. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/26 07:45 AM |
| -2 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.When we analyze the response to actions we make those on a variety of things. How much agency does the person have? With men until very recently this was men. Women have agency now and were expected to have moral agency historically so as long as they are both adults great they can have the same level on this. How does the abuse affect the (hopefully) survivor? Men generally have economic control and are able to kick a woman out physically, but even if they leave they have less danger from being… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/26 02:34 AM |
| 1 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.How was race created? Do you know where the concept comes from? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/26 01:55 AM |
| – | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.As a PoC Muslim trans woman ill defer to sociologist who have studied these issues. They would point to the history of where the idea of race even comes from. If you are black how can you not know about these issues? Race the way its conceptualized especially in the US and Eroupe (then exported) is based off the idea that it justified the subjugation of PoC's. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/26 01:53 AM |
| -3 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.The outcomes are very different though you know that right? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/26 01:49 AM |
| 2 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.2011 arrest data in suburban areas from the FBI:[63] Males constituted 98.9% of those arrested for forcible rape[63] Males constituted 87.9% of those arrested for robbery[63] Males constituted 85.0% of those arrested for burglary[63] Males constituted 83.0% of those arrested for arson.[63] Males constituted 81.7% of those arrested for vandalism.[63] Males constituted 81.5% of those arrested for motor-vehicle theft.[63] Males constituted 79.7% of those arrested for offenses against family and chi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/26 01:39 AM |
| – | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.Yes they are, unless you are in an African decolonized country. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/26 01:33 AM |
| 2 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.Being a companion, a sex worker of any kind is a tough gig. It is and should be respected. Thank you for the work you do. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/26 01:32 AM |
| -4 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.When its even 500 men to 1 woman we can talk about that. When its 100000000 to 1 nope. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/26 01:16 AM |
| 1 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.I truly dont understand this. I have hired sex workers, I would never treat a sex worker any less than I would a therapist or lawyer. Sex workers do have a range of education and professional levels but they are preforming a really important job that should get respect, protections, without the social stigma. It really sucks you have to deal with predators this way. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/26 01:14 AM |
| – | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.No, because race and sex aren't analogous categories. "Race" and ethnicity are socially constructed systems whose historical purpose was often to justify hierarchy and oppression. Male and female are categories within a sexually dimorphic species that have real biological implications, including enormous differences in rates of violent offending. You're also comparing personal risk assessment with institutional discrimination. A woman deciding how cautious to be around an unfamiliar man isn't ex… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/26 01:10 AM |
| 1 | Male Attraction is Treated as Normal and Women's Attraction is Seen as Shallow or BadThe economic harm from Jim crow all gone got it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/26 11:24 PM |
| 12 | Passport Bros aren't leaving the western dating scene for genuine desire, they are leaving for a chance at genuine desire, which is more than they would ever have in the west.My family is from Southeast Asia, and almost all of the women from my mom's generation who immigrated to the U.S. eventually divorced. It's amazing how often a marriage falls apart once the woman has rights, financial independence, and realizes she doesn't have to tolerate a relationship built on unequal power. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/26 10:18 PM |
| 2 | Passport Bros aren't leaving the western dating scene for genuine desire, they are leaving for a chance at genuine desire, which is more than they would ever have in the west.Every time I see a Passport Bro try to justify being a Passport Bro, I'm reminded why so many people don't respect the movement. It isn't complicated. You're leveraging your relative wealth to pursue relationships with women from countries where they're statistically poorer, have fewer opportunities, and often have less social and legal power. That's the entire appeal. You can call it "going where you're celebrated," but from the outside it looks a lot more like using economic inequality to impr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/26 10:10 PM |
| 1 | Male Attraction is Treated as Normal and Women's Attraction is Seen as Shallow or BadRight complex things are complex. You need to deal with yourself and your social conditioning, that doesnt affect the historical social realities of modern day gender issues. As for the past not affecting today, im guessing you just have never heard of red lining and the reasons it still economically hurts current African Americans today. Im guessing you dont have much experience being in the minority due to your intrinsic characteristics? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/26 10:07 PM |
| 1 | Male Attraction is Treated as Normal and Women's Attraction is Seen as Shallow or BadIts like you dont know about the history of sexual repression women suffered for hundreds of years. Like how we are dealing with systemic issues enforced by patriarchal norms are above your condescending? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/26 07:52 PM |
| 5 | Its hypocritical for 🔵BP/Feminist society to be outraged at the likes of Bonnie Blue/Lily Philips or even Clavicular, since its just the end result of their own ideals (Sex Positive, Sexual Revolution, Sexual Autonomy).I agree its predatory I just think the only reason people point to her when it is 99.99999999 men and the entire male run industry. Why attack her? Because Bonnie Blue is a woman. Thats my point. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/26 06:10 PM |
| 3 | Its hypocritical for 🔵BP/Feminist society to be outraged at the likes of Bonnie Blue/Lily Philips or even Clavicular, since its just the end result of their own ideals (Sex Positive, Sexual Revolution, Sexual Autonomy).No more predatory than when guys do it to girls, the problem is have with people using her for that is they only do it because its she not he. Clevicular is a disturbing example of red pill "research". There is a boy who probably needs a 51/50 hold. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/26 06:06 PM |
| – | Its hypocritical for 🔵BP/Feminist society to be outraged at the likes of Bonnie Blue/Lily Philips or even Clavicular, since its just the end result of their own ideals (Sex Positive, Sexual Revolution, Sexual Autonomy).Fuck, you people it seems cant understand these topics, its why ive posted so much about them. Bonnie Blue and Lily Phillips aren't some gotcha against feminism. There are entire branches of feminism that disagree with each other about sex work. Sex worker-exclusionary feminists argue that commodifying sex is inherently harmful to women, so to be clear they would have a problem with all the feet pics from dudes pretending to be maga you all pay for. Sex-positive and intersectional feminists gene… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/26 06:03 PM |
| 1 | Male Attraction is Treated as Normal and Women's Attraction is Seen as Shallow or BadYa its fucked and very invalidating as it treats a very personal choice like something you cant trust. It is low level societal gas lighting. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/26 01:10 PM |
| – | Women need to stop acting like it’s men’s fault they have to workMost red pill men if they could would marry a child and expect them to be their mommy | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/26 10:28 AM |
| – | Women need to stop acting like it’s men’s fault they have to workThere are times when someone just hasn't thought something through, and then there are times when you realize they're just fucking stupid. Women weren't complaining that they had to work. They were complaining that they were systematically barred from most of adulthood and agency. They couldn't reliably own property, open bank accounts, get credit, enter many professions, or make major decisions without men controlling those choices. The problem was never "having a job." The problem was not havi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/26 10:27 AM |
| 2 | men treat hoes differentlySexual confidence isn't the same thing as attractiveness. Plenty of objectively attractive people are deeply insecure about how desirable they are, while less conventionally attractive people can have excellent boundaries and confidence. The fact that you've never been pressured is great, but that's probably telling us more about your personality, how you communicate, and the kinds of men you select or tolerate than about your appearance. Sexual confidence is much more closely tied to social dev… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/26 01:39 AM |
| 2 | Male Attraction is Treated as Normal and Women's Attraction is Seen as Shallow or BadOkay that is different than what I was reading. I have heard mostly older women tell that to young girls. I think that is more (unfortunately) teaching young women that they may need to marry for reasons other than love and attraction. It is tied to the shit world it has been for women in relationships. Especially when your ability to really live was dependent on being married, though many women did manage to break that it was still a much harder life. The same way when being gay was not a death… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/26 01:36 AM |
| 4 | Male Attraction is Treated as Normal and Women's Attraction is Seen as Shallow or BadI think there are a few different things intersecting here. First, "men naturally enjoy looking at attractive women" covers two very different behaviors. One is the romanticized, "she's so beautiful I'm captivated" kind of attraction. The other is the construction worker yelling sexual comments at a woman walking down the street. Those get collapsed together far too often. Second, women absolutely have their attraction judged differently, but not necessarily for the reasons you're describing. Me… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/26 10:06 PM |
| -1 | It’s unrealistic to expect men to find romance by just “living their lives.”Holy fuck, how do you think people met before 2015? Friends, family, coworkers, classmates, neighbors, hobby groups, community events. People built social lives that naturally included women. If your day-to-day existence is somehow completely devoid of women, maybe that's not a dating problem. Maybe you just don't actually like being around women. Hell, maybe you should date men instead, because you've apparently organized your entire life around avoiding half the population. This isn't some "on… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/26 07:09 PM |
| 2 | The Voice Memo Guy, Proves Women Also Can’t Handle Rejection.Yeah, if I ever have daughters, you're exactly the kind of guy I'd warn them about. I genuinely don't have much else to say other than I think your understanding of consent is disturbing, and I hope you're never in a position of authority over vulnerable people. The fact that you brought up "being on a boat in the middle of the ocean" is creepy as fuck. Nobody else introduced a scenario where someone couldn't leave—you did. That's not a normal analogy to reach for when defending your position. A… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/26 07:04 PM |
| 1 | we already agree on the principle, we're just not applying it consistently.When you're talking about employment, there's an important goddamn distinction, because laws have words and words have meanings. Yes, it's coercive in the everyday sense, but legally it's sex discrimination, not a bodily autonomy violation. Bodily autonomy is the government or another person forcing you to undergo or continue a medical condition or procedure against your will—forcing someone to remain pregnant, forcing an abortion, forced sterilization, things like that. An employer saying, "Don… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/26 07:02 PM |
| 1 | Just because a woman wants a relationship with you doesn't mean she desires you.Holy fuck, that's a strawman. I literally just defined what a relationship is because you kept conflating "desiring a relationship" with "sexually desiring someone." I never said relationships are only arrangements or that they don't involve feelings. You're arguing against something I never wrote. Try responding to the actual words on the screen instead of whatever imaginary version of my argument you've invented. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/26 06:58 PM |
| 1 | we already agree on the principle, we're just not applying it consistently.It's amazing how little people understand these terms. Breaking her bodily autonomy in this instance would be saying, "You're going to have an abortion," or "You're going to carry this pregnancy." That's what bodily autonomy is associated with. Saying, "We won't hire you unless you agree never to get pregnant," or "You'll be fired if you get pregnant," is called sexism. That's gender-based discrimination. It isn't bodily autonomy. If you're going to have discussions about sociology or politics, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/26 04:19 PM |
| 0 | Just because a woman wants a relationship with you doesn't mean she desires you.A relationship is an agreement between two or more people spoken or implied that the parties involved have a type of connection. Do you know what a concept is? Like the color blue, is that only a spectrum of light wave length or does it have a bunch of implications on other meanings? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/26 03:40 PM |
| 1 | we already agree on the principle, we're just not applying it consistently.No just like we teach about lgbtqia+ in public schools there are some things that exist in order to part of the public. If you want to go make your own communities, do so. Also your "example" is called sexism. It has nothing to do with bodily autonomy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/26 03:39 PM |
| 8 | Just because a woman wants a relationship with you doesn't mean she desires you.You're confusing willingness to have casual sex with degree of attraction. Those are not the same variable. People change, their standards change, their goals change, and the context changes. A relationship isn't "casual sex plus extra steps." It's a fundamentally different social arrangement. Your argument only works if you assume every sexual decision is a pure measure of physical desire, which is exactly what you're trying to prove. That's circular. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/26 01:41 PM |
| 0 | What do you think of this paper from Cambridge promoting single motherhood and marginalization of low value men to solve the fertility crisis ?Men should learn another reason to live or blame capitalism. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/26 01:40 PM |
| 10 | Just because a woman wants a relationship with you doesn't mean she desires you.Say you don't understand the words relationship and desire without saying it. You're using "desire" to mean completely different things and pretending they're equivalent. "He desires you" in the context of sex usually means he wants to have sex with you. "She desires a relationship with you" means she wants a relationship with you. Those aren't parallel claims. And desire in a long-term relationship isn't measured by who slept together fastest. Nobody desires their partner every waking moment fo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/26 01:36 PM |
| 2 | we already agree on the principle, we're just not applying it consistently.You're still collapsing three different categories into one. Violations of bodily autonomy: sexual assault, forced medical procedures, non-consensual circumcision, reproductive coercion, forced sterilization, and similar violations of bodily integrity. Conditions for participation: vaccines, masks, workplace safety rules. Nobody is claiming ownership over your body; they're saying participation comes with conditions. Social judgments: "I don't want to date someone who won't help me move." Nobody… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/26 01:19 AM |
| 2 | we already agree on the principle, we're just not applying it consistently.You're still treating "bodily autonomy" as if it's just a dictionary definition instead of a political and ethical concept with an established meaning. Ask your mom if she says "my bodily autonomy is under attack," and then tell her you're talking about being asked to help move furniture. Do you honestly think she'd assume those are the same category of problem? Of course not. Context matters. "Bodily autonomy" refers to bodily integrity—sexual consent, reproductive rights, medical decisions, an… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/26 11:36 PM |
| 1 | we already agree on the principle, we're just not applying it consistently.If you want to strip away context, social norms, and the established meaning of political language in favor of a purely literal definition, go ahead. Just don't pretend that's how these terms are actually used. In the real world, "bodily autonomy" isn't shorthand for every situation where someone asks something of your body. It refers to bodily integrity: sexual consent, reproductive rights, medical decisions, and freedom from coercive physical intrusion. Being judged for not helping someone mov… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/26 11:13 PM |
| 2 | we already agree on the principle, we're just not applying it consistently.The problem is your example isn't about bodily autonomy in any meaningful political or ethical sense. When people talk about bodily autonomy, they're talking about bodily integrity: sexual assault, stealthing, reproductive rights, forced medical procedures, and similar issues. Nobody is talking about helping someone move. This is the same reason people laughed at anti-vaxxers screaming "bodily autonomy." They took a term with an established meaning and stretched it until it meant "I don't want t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/26 10:48 PM |
| 4 | we already agree on the principle, we're just not applying it consistently.Then it clicked. We agree on the principle, truly no one is entitled to another person's body.we just apply it unevenly. Most women rarely have to worry about near-strangers extracting physical labor or resources from them. So you didnt say this or you dont understand what bodily autonomy means in a political situation? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/26 10:31 PM |
| 3 | we already agree on the principle, we're just not applying it consistently.You're comparing "my date thought I was a shitty partner for refusing to help them move" to violations of bodily integrity like rape or reproductive coercion because both involve the words "bodily autonomy." That's terminally online thinking. Being judged for your choices isn't the same thing as having your bodily autonomy violated. Get your head out of your ass and touch grass. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/26 10:17 PM |
| 7 | we already agree on the principle, we're just not applying it consistently.You're equivocating between the literal meaning of the words and the way the term is actually used in ethics and politics. Yes, helping someone move technically involves your body. That's not what people mean when they invoke "bodily autonomy." In normal discourse, bodily autonomy refers to control over bodily integrity—reproductive rights, sexual consent, medical decisions, and freedom from coercive physical intrusion. Being disappointed that your partner won't help you move isn't an attempt to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/26 09:25 PM |
| 1 | Politics matter in dating, why the red pill is political,and why women generally reject the red pill.Politics matter in dating, why the red pill is political,and why women generally reject the red pill. And wow titles are not perfect distillations of the post! I never said conservative men are undateable. I never said politics is the only variable in dating. I said it is an increasingly important variable, especially for younger women, and that this makes Red Pill ideology less attractive to women on average. If younger women are more progressive, political compatibility matters more to younger… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/26 09:23 PM |
| 1 | Politics matter in dating, why the red pill is political,and why women generally reject the red pill.You're arguing against a position I never took. I never said conservative women don't exist or that politically mixed couples don't exist. I said politics increasingly shapes dating decisions at the population level. That's especially true for younger women, who grew up with a very different understanding of their political agency than previous generations. Their rights around reproductive healthcare, workplace equality, and LGBTQ issues are active political questions, so politics is no longer a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/26 08:24 PM |
| 12 | we already agree on the principle, we're just not applying it consistently.Fuck, this is such a terminally online misunderstanding of what "bodily autonomy" means. Nobody thought they were entitled to your body because they asked if you'd help them move. They thought someone they were dating might be willing to do them a favor. You're completely free to say no. They're completely free to think that says something about your willingness to invest in the relationship. You're also pretending these are equivalent situations when they obviously aren't. Women worrying about … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/26 07:33 PM |
| 1 | Politics matter in dating, why the red pill is political,and why women generally reject the red pill.Nobody said young conservative women don't exist. TPUSA and trad-wife influencers clearly exist. The point is that they aren't representative of the population. Population-level voting and opinion data consistently show women lean more liberal than men, especially younger women. Even conservative women are generally less conservative than their male counterparts on many social issues. This is how population statistics work. You don't disprove a trend by pointing to exceptions. If you think women… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/26 07:28 PM |
| 1 | Politics matter in dating, why the red pill is political,and why women generally reject the red pill.Sure a lot of boomers white women exist sure. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/26 07:03 PM |
| 1 | People want for relationships is strongly tied to what they have been taught and cultureHumans are generally serially monogamous. Most people form exclusive romantic relationships, but many have more than one over the course of their lives. While some partnerships last a lifetime, many last only a few years before people form new long-term bonds. People generally want enduring social relationships. That tendency isn't something culture invents, although culture strongly shapes who we seek relationships with, what we expect from them, and whether we prioritize marriage, children, or… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/26 04:35 PM |
| -1 | What do you think of this paper from Cambridge promoting single motherhood and marginalization of low value men to solve the fertility crisis ?The same way we make single fatherhood economically viable, which would still affect the men being marginalized. The problem with tem is not being men its being stuck to an older form of masculinity. Not being trained for the current and future corporate environment. We need socialist economic policies and taxation of higher wealth brackets thats how you actually help these guys. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/26 11:00 PM |
| 2 | Women control every grey area in dating and it makes it hard for men not to make them uncomfortable.Its fine. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/26 09:30 PM |
| 2 | Women control every grey area in dating and it makes it hard for men not to make them uncomfortable.No, them wanting to practice adulthood is completely normal. What's disturbing is that manosphere ideology is reaching them this young. I genuinely believe in comprehensive, sex-positive relationship education. These kids should be taught how to build healthy relationships, communicate, understand consent, and handle rejection before YouTube influencers and TikTok personalities teach them resentment instead. I'll use myself as an example. When I got bigger, I became very aware that my size could… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/26 04:53 PM |
| 0 | Women control every grey area in dating and it makes it hard for men not to make them uncomfortable.Well thats disturbing | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/26 03:49 PM |
| 12 | Women control every grey area in dating and it makes it hard for men not to make them uncomfortable.This is an absolutely wild delusion. Women don't have rules? Women's sexuality and interactions with men have been among the most heavily regulated aspects of human society for most of recorded history. Chaperones, purity culture, arranged marriages, restrictions on education, employment, property ownership, divorce, contraception, and even where women could go or with whom they could be seen weren't random accidents. They were social rules governing women's relationships. The idea that women ha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/26 03:04 PM |
| 7 | Women control every grey area in dating and it makes it hard for men not to make them uncomfortable.Men just can't listen. Women have been telling us for the last 10–15 years what actually makes cold approaches uncomfortable, and it isn't some mysterious "grey area" that only women control. The biggest issue is a lack of basic social awareness. Read the room. Pay attention to signs of discomfort. If someone seems uneasy or isn't engaging, back off. Even if you're autistic or socially awkward, that's different from making no effort to learn social skills or understand other people's boundaries.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/26 02:22 PM |
| 18 | What do you think of this paper from Cambridge promoting single motherhood and marginalization of low value men to solve the fertility crisis ?That's what the paper is arguing. The goal isn't to marginalize men. The goal is to address declining fertility under the assumption that many women still want children but can't find a partner they consider suitable. The authors' proposal is that, if increasing stable pair-bonding isn't realistic, governments could make single motherhood more economically viable. They explicitly acknowledge that this could further marginalize some men, but that's presented as a tradeoff, not the objective. Whet… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/26 12:25 PM |
| – | Do you think "problematic" themes are more okay in women's smut than men's?You guys really need a Gender Studies 101 class. This has been discussed for decades. Women's erotica generally humanizes both people involved and centers the woman's experience and agency. Men's porn has historically been built around objectification and visual consumption. That's why people don't treat these genres as morally equivalent. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/26 10:50 AM |
| 10 | Men are more ethical, we don't sell our bodiesBy your own logic, women could just as easily say they're more ethical because they commit far fewer rapes and violent sexual crimes than men. That's obviously not how I'd measure the morality of an entire sex, but it's no less valid than your argument. More importantly, why is sex work inherently immoral? Every job involves selling your time, labor, physical effort, mental effort, or skills for money. A construction worker sells their body. An athlete sells their body. A model sells their appea… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/26 10:43 AM |
| 1 | The Voice Memo Guy, Proves Women Also Can’t Handle Rejection.That isn't the same thing. Splitting the bill is a condition of participating in that activity. The voice memo isn't about the date itself—it's making continued romantic interest contingent on sex. There's a difference between, "When we do X, we'll do it this way," and, "If you want me to continue pursuing you, you need to provide Y." That's why people find it transactional. The issue isn't that he stated a preference. It's that he framed continued access to the relationship around sexual compli… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/26 12:59 AM |
| 4 | The Voice Memo Guy, Proves Women Also Can’t Handle Rejection.You need to take an actual class on consent, because you clearly don't understand what the concept means. If I'm attacking a strawman, then I apologize. I assumed you understood what consent was well enough that I could respond to your actual argument. Apparently I gave you too much credit. There is no recognized model of consent where you negotiate the terms of sexual access the day before a second date and call that "explicit consent." That's not what explicit consent means. Explicit consent i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/26 11:51 PM |
| 8 | The Voice Memo Guy, Proves Women Also Can’t Handle Rejection.You're missing the point. Nobody is arguing that she couldn't say no. She did. That's completely irrelevant to the criticism. The criticism is that this is creepy, coercive, and transactional because it demonstrates a fundamentally broken understanding of consent and intimacy. You're calling it "explicit consent," but that's not what explicit consent is. Explicit consent is asking, "Can I kiss you?" and receiving an enthusiastic yes in that moment. It isn't negotiating the terms and conditions o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/26 11:48 PM |
| 10 | The Voice Memo Guy, Proves Women Also Can’t Handle Rejection.This is exactly what I mean by weaponized consent. You're treating consent like it's a contractual negotiation instead of an ongoing process. Explicit consent isn't "agree by date two or I'm leaving." It's getting a clear, voluntary "yes" to the sexual activity that's happening at that moment. The problem is that you're wrapping a sexual ultimatum in the language of consent, which makes it sound morally superior when it isn't. If this is how you approach women in real life, there's a real risk t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/26 11:39 PM |
| 13 | The Voice Memo Guy, Proves Women Also Can’t Handle Rejection.No. This is weaponized consent. Sending the voice message is his right. If he only wants a sexual relationship, he should be honest about that. The problem is pretending this is some ideal model of consent. Or expecting it to not be used as a warning to womansphere. It isn't. It treats sex like it has terms and conditions attached to continuing the relationship: "Have sex with me by date two or I'm gone." That's not an example of healthy communication. It's a transactional ultimatum dressed up i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/26 11:19 PM |
| – | I believe that just like how there are "Nice Guys" ,there are also "Nice Girls".If men were smart they would make a world safe enough for women to do so without fear. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/26 08:13 PM |
| – | I believe that just like how there are "Nice Guys" ,there are also "Nice Girls".If men were smart they would make a world safe enough for women to do so without fear. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/26 08:12 PM |
| – | I believe that just like how there are "Nice Guys" ,there are also "Nice Girls".Have you never just enjoyed the physical contact and sensation? I have a penis and enjoy anal sex, I have had anal sex when I couldn't even have a orgasm (generally when I have already orgasmed a few times) but still enjoyed the sensation of being penetrated. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/26 08:12 PM |
| – | I believe that just like how there are "Nice Guys" ,there are also "Nice Girls".If society didn't slut shame women, they might actually be more comfortable communicating their sexual preferences openly. Society still heavily regulates women's sexuality. Between abortion restrictions, trans panic, purity culture, double standards around promiscuity, and the expectation that women manage men's emotions, it's bizarre to pretend there aren't strong social pressures affecting how women navigate sex. You also don't seem to understand how sexual desire and sexual response work. Wo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/26 03:17 PM |
| – | I believe that just like how there are "Nice Guys" ,there are also "Nice Girls".If they were smarter they could argue that with continuing relaxing of sexual norms women have more responsibility to explore and communicate their sexual needs and desires. Even that is a weak argument but it would have been the strongest if they were smart. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/26 03:12 PM |
| – | I believe that just like how there are "Nice Guys" ,there are also "Nice Girls".It amazes me that a movement so hostile to "blank slate theory" suddenly ignores historical and social context the moment it becomes inconvenient. If women historically were taught that their primary value in a relationship was sex, reproduction, and keeping a man, then of course you'll find women who stay in relationships by having sex they don't particularly want. That's not evidence of some hidden "Nice Girl" strategy. It's exactly what you'd expect from centuries of gendered socialization an… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/26 03:09 PM |
| 1 | The Red Pill is a conspiracy based on low understanding of Sociology.I give you not just the sources but rhe text refuting the field as a whole but him explicitly. Just say you dont care about actual research or you actually functionally illiterate. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/26 02:30 PM |
| 2 | The Red Pill is a conspiracy based on low understanding of Sociology.Gee all the black people in Mississippi right now are so sure Nolan Wells is going to have a good investigation cause we dont have FUCKING LAWS TO LYNCH BLACK FOLK NO MORE right? https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx238gzzy74o | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/26 01:15 PM |
| 1 | The Red Pill is a conspiracy based on low understanding of Sociology.People dont know how movements or ideologies work. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/26 01:13 PM |
| -1 | The Red Pill is a conspiracy based on low understanding of Sociology.In any case it claims to present important new insights, as in its opening audacious sentence: “This book uncovers the hidden roots of sexual conflict”. I will argue that most of what it “uncovers” is either [1] not new, or [2] just borrowed from certain ideologues, or [3] merely dogma endemic in our culture—and a great deal of it is false. As to [1], sexual evolutionary psychology has been researched and debated for half a century, beginning with Robert Trivers’ (1972) pioneering essay “Parenta… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/26 01:12 PM |
| 0 | The Red Pill is a conspiracy based on low understanding of Sociology.We are talking about population sized cohorts. This is the only way we can talk about societal scaled ideas. You own counter example is actually in my favor. This is a single person. Many many women have never experienced sexual violence but the statically likelihood is that they will. The same is as of now not the same for men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/26 12:50 PM |
| – | A new girl with huge tits was recently hired at the company where I work.Or it could be a new person and people want to meet new people. Most likely you are also not tracking when women talk to her, because you are misogynisticly thinking the men only want to fuck her which is why you add "huge tits" (as if thats relevant or not a disgusting comment) in your title. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/26 10:15 AM |
| 1 | What do you think about the patriarchy theory being used in therapy?Holy fuck, that's not how science works. By your standard, history isn't a science. Archaeology isn't a science. Evolutionary biology isn't a science. Astronomy isn't a science. Geology isn't a science. We can't randomly assign people to civilizations, wait 500 years, and see what happens. Sociology, psychology, history, economics, and political science all test hypotheses using the kinds of evidence that are actually available: archival records, natural experiments, longitudinal studies, cross-… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/26 09:25 AM |
| – | It's weird to date a gender who's general impression of dating your gender is mild disgust.Have you heard how men talk about women? And men have the systematic power. That is a lot worse and women manage to deal with it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/26 09:19 AM |
| 1 | What do you think about the patriarchy theory being used in therapy?Are you trolling, or do you genuinely not understand how sociology works? You asked why the military excluded women as though there had to be a single biological justification. That's not how sociology analyzes institutions. Sociology asks what social assumptions, norms, and power structures produced those policies—not whether every stated justification was scientifically correct. You're looking for one empirical paper that says, "The draft existed because of misogyny." That's not how historical… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/26 09:34 PM |
| 1 | What do you think about the patriarchy theory being used in therapy?Like many laws that appear to benefit women, men-only registration actually impedes women’s full participation in civic life. Limiting registration to men sends a message that women are unqualified to serve in the military, regardless of individual capabilities and preferences. It reflects an outmoded view that, in the event of a draft, women’s primary duty would be to the home front — and, on the flip side, that men are unqualified to be caregivers. The Military Selective Service Act not only p… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/26 08:55 PM |
| 2 | What do you think about the patriarchy theory being used in therapy?If you gave a different real argument there would be more to respond to. You sound like a sexist misogynistic and anti Semitic (its super fucked to bring Israel up here, seems like you blame Jews a lot, also before you make a bigger fuck up im a Muslim and pro Palestine). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/26 07:38 PM |
| 0 | What do you think about the patriarchy theory being used in therapy?First im a TRANS woman, I was forced to register for a thing that is unlikely to happen again. Second, the push against womens reproductive rights put all women in more danger of being killed by the government than you ever will. Third, the chances of you even being accepted by the military are about as good as me giving birth. You wont pass the literacy and competence tests. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/26 07:35 PM |
| 2 | What do you think about the patriarchy theory being used in therapy?No im explaining histroy to you. Im sorry histroy lines up with my world view. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/26 07:32 PM |
| 2 | What do you think about the patriarchy theory being used in therapy?Explaining history is not saying anything about my experience. Swing and a miss want to try again? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/26 05:52 PM |
| 1 | What do you think about the patriarchy theory being used in therapy?Rather than deal with the substance you attack editing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/26 05:51 PM |
| 0 | What do you think about the patriarchy theory being used in therapy?Every example you gave has already been discussed extensively in sociology and feminist literature. Military service was justified by the belief that women were too weak and needed protection—classic benevolent sexism. That's no different from saying Asians are "naturally good at math." A stereotype can produce a superficially positive outcome while still being discriminatory. Retirement ages, labor laws, and similar policies didn't appear in a vacuum either. They developed in societies where wo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/26 05:11 PM |
| 2 | Women who choose to remain single are viewed as empowered, men are not90% of red pill posts v 1 poster. Decapitation v paper cut These are the same thing /s | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/26 05:08 PM |
| -5 | What do you think about the patriarchy theory being used in therapy?So systemic racism exists. Redlining existed. Institutional discrimination existed. Soft forms of oppression exist. But systemic sexism is where your brain suddenly gives up? That's not an evidence-based position. That's just deciding your conclusion first and rejecting any framework that gets in the way. Say hi to Mr. Rogers and Big Bird while you're living in that fantasy world. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/26 03:51 PM |
| 2 | What do you think about the patriarchy theory being used in therapy?"You know history" isn't the insult you think it is. Pointing to documented legal systems isn't pretending to be a victim—it's called making an argument with evidence instead of feelings. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/26 03:48 PM |
| 2 | What do you think about the patriarchy theory being used in therapy?Jesus Christ, that's an impressively stupid argument. The fact that most lynching victims were men doesn't tell you whether a society was patriarchal any more than the fact that most executed kings were men proves monarchy oppressed men. Patriarchy is about who held legal, political, and economic power—not which sex suffered every form of violence. Black men were targeted by white supremacy while women were simultaneously denied equal legal and economic rights under a patriarchal system. Those f… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/26 03:47 PM |
| – | What do you think about the patriarchy theory being used in therapy?You're just stupid. You don't understand how science works, you don't understand how the humanities work, and you clearly don't understand sociology. Hell, I'm not convinced you understand math beyond algebra. The fact that you're citing the Grievance Studies Affair tells me you don't even understand what it exposed. It didn't prove sociology isn't a science. It exposed weaknesses in peer review at a subset of journals. That's not some groundbreaking revelation. Academics have been criticizing p… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/26 02:07 PM |
| 2 | What do you think about the patriarchy theory being used in therapy?Good job. That's exactly the point. We know Jim Crow existed because we can point to its legal and institutional effects. Patriarchy is analyzed the same way. Women couldn't open bank accounts without a husband's approval, couldn't easily obtain credit, were excluded from countless professions, and were legally subordinated in ways your own mother—and almost certainly your grandmother—would remember. Those are legal, systemic barriers. That's the evidence. It's almost like when someone else has … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/26 02:00 PM |
| 5 | If a man would actually take any woman, he’d be very wanted.I think you're missing an important distinction. There's a difference between a man who's genuinely open to dating many different kinds of women and a man who says he'd "take anyone." Most women have enough self-respect not to want to be someone's last resort. They want to feel chosen, not merely available. From my Southeast Asian background, this makes even more sense. Historically, a woman's identity often became secondary to her husband's. My sister is an accomplished person, yet one of the f… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/26 01:57 PM |
| 1 | Politics matter in dating, why the red pill is political,and why women generally reject the red pill.Nice attempt at changing the subject. I ask for sources when the claim isn't a matter of established fact. "Most married people are conservative" is an empirical claim about an entire population. You made it. You still haven't supported it. I also never said MAGA and the Red Pill are the same. I said they're parallel movements with overlapping descriptive assumptions and largely compatible prescriptions. Those are different claims. As for the connection affecting dating, there are plenty of post… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/26 01:50 PM |
| 7 | Women who choose to remain single are viewed as empowered, men are notHoly fuck, this isn't complicated. When people say "men use women as therapists," they aren't claiming men spend every waking moment dumping their feelings on women. They're talking about the incredibly common pattern where men stay emotionally closed off for months or years, then unload years of unresolved trauma onto some poor woman they're on a third date with because she's the first person they've felt permitted to be vulnerable with. That's the criticism. It's a sociological pattern, not a … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/26 01:44 PM |
| 4 | Women who choose to remain single are viewed as empowered, men are not90% of red pill posts in this sub. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/26 01:37 PM |
| 3 | What do you think about the patriarchy theory being used in therapy?You're treating sociology like it's Newton's laws because you don't understand either discipline. "Unfalsifiable" isn't a magic word that makes an entire field disappear. If you think patriarchy explains a particular phenomenon poorly, criticize the evidence. Instead, you're attacking a definition you made up and congratulating yourself for defeating it. That's not an argument. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/26 01:28 PM |
| 0 | Politics matter in dating, why the red pill is political,and why women generally reject the red pill.This is a level of moron we don't indulge. "Google it" isn't evidence, "reality" isn't a citation, and repeating your assertion isn't an argument. You made the claim. Support it or concede it's just another just-so story. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/26 01:27 PM |
| -1 | What do you think about the patriarchy theory being used in therapy?What's the objective test that Jim Crow was based in racism? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/26 01:25 PM |
| 7 | Women who choose to remain single are viewed as empowered, men are notPart of the difference is behavioral. Women who choose to remain single are often just...single. They build friendships, careers, hobbies, and lives outside of romantic relationships. Men who "opt out" of dating, especially online, often spend years publicly complaining about women, modern dating, or feminism before announcing they're done. That shapes the public perception. There's also evidence that women, on average, adapt to singlehood better than men. Women tend to maintain stronger social … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/26 12:31 PM |
| 0 | Politics matter in dating, why the red pill is political,and why women generally reject the red pill.So making an empirical claim and then being asked for evidence is "sophistry" now? You asserted that most married people are conservative. That's a factual claim, not an opinion. If you can't support it, then don't present it as fact. "Reality" isn't a citation. And "reality" certainly isn't evidence when I'm questioning whether your perception of reality is accurate to begin with. If your position falls apart the moment someone asks, "How do you know that's true?", then the problem isn't sophis… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/26 12:29 PM |
| -1 | What do you think about the patriarchy theory being used in therapy?You don't understand how the term is used academically. Patriarchy is an analytical framework within sociology and feminist theory for examining how institutions, laws, norms, and historical power relations have systematically privileged men in many domains. It isn't a single scientific hypothesis that's disproven by finding one exception. Calling it "unfalsifiable" misunderstands the type of concept you're criticizing. By that logic, you'd have to argue that frameworks like institutional racism… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/26 12:23 PM |
| -3 | What do you think about the patriarchy theory being used in therapy?Thats a very simplistic definition, it gives enough to help know the thesis but not really understanding. Understanding how the world works around you is important but this isnt "used" in therapy. Unless you have a source for that. At best you can say it is used as a lens to discuss aspects of your life like where some ideas originate. Also what is the actual question? Sometimes it feels like the only mental health experience some of you have is the same level as fourth graders in Alabama talkin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/26 10:40 AM |
| 1 | Politics matter in dating, why the red pill is political,and why women generally reject the red pill.You're still assuming your "observations" are objective. They aren't. People don't observe reality in a vacuum—they interpret it through prior beliefs, culture, media, and stereotypes. That's why sociology exists in the first place. If your observation is "men are expected to initiate," the next question is why that expectation exists and whether it's changing. If your observation is "women prefer traditional men," you have to account for who you're sampling, confirmation bias, survivorship bias… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/26 09:53 AM |
| 0 | Politics matter in dating, why the red pill is political,and why women generally reject the red pill.Give any support for that statement. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/26 09:51 AM |
| 0 | Politics matter in dating, why the red pill is political,and why women generally reject the red pill.No im judging it by its actions which is to get rights and advance equity. Wow 60 years ago it did something you are claiming something with no proof while right now the red pill is disgusting. Try again | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/26 09:50 AM |
| -1 | Politics matter in dating, why the red pill is political,and why women generally reject the red pill.Nothing in feminism pushes anything except you cant stop other people from living their lives. Its choice. Good try though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/26 12:33 AM |
| 2 | There are no blue pill influencers for men because the lies don't workI watched the honeybadgers, and read a Voice for Men. The problem with MRAs was very hostile messaging and getting attached to people like Sargon of Accada. They got moved to the right more and more. It hurt them in the end. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/26 11:45 PM |
| 2 | There are no blue pill influencers for men because the lies don't workYou antivaxxers are hilarious. The covid 19 vaccine was tested and is still shown to not have side effects outside the norm. We absolutely care about all survivors of SA and are very pro children. We're the ones who want better education funding, welfare and other supports. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/26 11:42 PM |
| 2 | Politics matter in dating, why the red pill is political,and why women generally reject the red pill.The underlying issues, even assuming they are the real issues, are being addressed RP men just dont want to use the solutions. When for instance you say men are expected to initiate? The answer is to not think it is Regency England and allow relationship to grow within a friend group. Again even when you talk about the underlying issues, it from a place of traditionalism. If you want to actually accept the idea that your ideology is fundamentally conservative in nature we can talk about other th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/26 06:30 PM |
| 2 | Why do women so drastically change their mind about marriage?The positives are massively outweighed by the negatives. My wife rejected 5 proposals before me. Granted my life is not within the norm, my marriage is semi arranged. My wife and I spent 3 to 4 hours a day for 6 months before we decided to get married. She wanted a man who was progressive, and emotionally mature. Even now that I am transitioning. We are partners truly and that is what women are looking for. There are plenty of men who are great but the fact remains women are more open to the ide… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/26 02:43 PM |
| 0 | There are no blue pill influencers for men because the lies don't workThe difference is that progressive values don't require a manosphere. Most people already accept basic ideas like equal rights, bodily autonomy, and treating people with dignity. The Red Pill has to manufacture outrage and resentment through influencers because its worldview doesn't sell nearly as well on its own. That's why it needs podcasts. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/26 12:18 PM |
| 1 | Politics matter in dating, why the red pill is political,and why women generally reject the red pill.Do you know what descriptive means? Do you know what the personal is political mean? As for your transphobic comment, assuming my orientation, I am not attracted to cis het men. I just want all you to stop oppressing the rest of us. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/26 12:14 PM |
| 2 | Politics matter in dating, why the red pill is political,and why women generally reject the red pill.Its almost like I used the KKK example for a reason. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/26 10:26 AM |
| 2 | Politics matter in dating, why the red pill is political,and why women generally reject the red pill.Regressing is going back This is a child's understanding of these concepts. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/26 10:24 AM |
| 2 | Politics matter in dating, why the red pill is political,and why women generally reject the red pill.No politics is the way laws are created. The red pills prescriptive solutions are to limit womens options. When people say both sides it is clear you dont know either side. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/26 10:21 AM |
| 2 | Politics matter in dating, why the red pill is political,and why women generally reject the red pill.If someone claims men are generally expected to initiate, absorb rejection, provide, compete for attention, or face different standards in dating and relationships, the response should be to examine those claims directly. Those are not even correct but even if it was when you dont give all the prescriptive bullshit that goes with it you are not really dealing with my post. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/26 10:19 AM |
| 1 | Politics matter in dating, why the red pill is political,and why women generally reject the red pill.One version offers more options one is the red pill. When the change is more freedom and that is a problem for you then youre a conservative which is the point. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/26 10:16 AM |
| – | why does predatory behavior toward young girls continue to be such a persistent issue, with menThe question is why are most of the pos men? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/26 10:44 PM |
| – | why does predatory behavior toward young girls continue to be such a persistent issue, with menMen elected one that is literally neon orange so no its not both genders. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/26 10:44 PM |
| – | why does predatory behavior toward young girls continue to be such a persistent issue, with menRight that is why I say: Many men dont live in a world where consnet is easily ignored (or rather they think that is the case) because for most men when they say no its listened to in the rare instances they arent the ones pushing the interaction. Men's ability to even sympathize let alone empathize is dangerously low. None of it due to biology and entirely due to brain rot. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/26 10:43 PM |
| – | why does predatory behavior toward young girls continue to be such a persistent issue, with menMost men from my history when I presented as male till I cut these types of men from my life actually dont understand what meaningful informed consent means. Ask any of them why certain relationship dynamics are moral or not. It becomes clear how little they have thought or been taught about consnet. Many men dont live in a world where consnet is easily ignored (or rather they think that is the case) because for most men when they say no its listened to in the rare instances they arent the ones … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/26 09:25 PM |
| 2 | Society didn't lie to men about women and dating. Porn did.Wow, back up a minute and re-evaluate what I am saying and maybe check the tag. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/26 08:50 PM |
| 2 | Society didn't lie to men about women and dating. Porn did.I actually agree many men have detached from reality but porn is not the reason. Its the fact our president is a rapist, that conservatives and the red pill have worked together to create a media environment which should be illegal. My first amendment loyalty is being so heavily tested right now. The first thing we probably need to really do is break up social media companies or perhaps tax the fuck out of their revenue,not profit but the money that comes in from advertising and engagement. Ever… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/26 02:15 PM |
| 0 | If you are the type of feminist to call men paranoid or closeted creeps for not wanting to approach women, while also praising men for following the "cross the street rule," then you are clearly a hypocrite with an agenda.Thats fucking laughable. Women accommodate mens feelings the majority of their lives. Men are pathetic cry babies unable to handle any emotional range beyond sad or angry. This is socialized to a large degree but testosterone does dampen emotion. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/26 12:37 PM |
| 2 | Society didn't lie to men about women and dating. Porn did.These are problems with how porn is filmed for sure. We really could use better porn, Erestis, lesbian and feminist porn studios are thankfully starting to get more traction, but porn for the most part is viewed as fantasy. Aside from men who have detached from reality are not thinking porn is normal social interaction. The biggest thing is that it really fucks up what people think is sex. Men think these sex acts are more normal for sure but not the social aspects. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/26 12:34 PM |
| – | In my opinion, it’s pointless to blame women for their dating standards.I think your model is about 300 years out of date. Your explanation for sexual scarcity ultimately rests on women bearing a much greater reproductive cost from sex. Historically, that was an enormous asymmetry. Pregnancy could permanently alter or even end a woman's life, and she had almost no control over it. But that's no longer the world most of us live in. Contraception, abortion access where available, STI prevention, and women having legal and financial independence fundamentally changed t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 04:36 PM |
| – | In my opinion, it’s pointless to blame women for their dating standards.I think you're still treating dating like it's a global competition instead of a local one. The average guy isn't competing with some 6'3", millionaire, hyper-charismatic Casanova. He's competing with the handful of men a woman actually meets through work, friends, hobbies, school, or dating apps. Most people date within their own rough level of attractiveness, education, lifestyle, and social circle. You're also mixing up relationships with casual sex. If your claim is that a very charismatic, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 04:28 PM |
| 1 | Weaponized Incompetence isn’t intentional. (In general)I can agree with some of these men being a toddler. No argument there. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 04:16 PM |
| 1 | Weaponized Incompetence isn’t intentional. (In general)Im super into MtG and my mom asked to learn it, she doesnt remember what a land does. Thats not incompetency that is just domain apathy. Some people weight things differently. That said I absolutely am not arguing against or denying that men in general do use weaponized incompetence a lot. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 03:56 PM |
| – | In my opinion, it’s pointless to blame women for their dating standards.These guys think a woman can walk on a boat and be a super baby. They dont accept most people date people physically around them and that they cant wash their ass enough to get a woman to talk to them long enough to have a relationship. It is a disturbing false reality that is breeding very submissive and morally weak men to be co opted for authoritarians. Look into Epstein and the rise of the manosphere as well as their strange obsession with transwomen. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 03:53 PM |
| – | Weaponized Incompetence isn’t intentional. (In general)I agree that sometimes it's completely unintentional. I legitimately miss certain things because my brain filters information differently. That's not manipulation—it's just how my cognition works. The same applies broadly. Some men overlook household chores, just as some women were historically socialized away from tech. Some of it is social conditioning, some is genuine incompetence, some is lack of interest, and some people are just avoiding work. The problem is that people try to force every … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 03:36 PM |
| – | In my opinion, it’s pointless to blame women for their dating standards.Good luck getting Red Pill guys to understand this. One of the movement's biggest problems is a complete lack of theory of mind. They can't seriously entertain the possibility that women have internal experiences and motivations that differ from the narratives they've already decided are true. If a woman says something that contradicts Red Pill ideology, she's automatically dismissed as lying, an exception, "brainwashed by woke ideology," or accused of hiding what she really wants. There's alway… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 02:19 PM |
| 1 | Debate: women are allowed to distrust men, men are not allowed to distrust women (repost as I dodn't partipate within three hours)You literally just responded to "these are misogynistic stereotypes" by listing misogynistic stereotypes as evidence. Thanks for proving my point. If you want to know why society treats them differently, try history and sociology instead of your feelings, snowflake. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 10:33 AM |
| – | HypocrisyBigger question if men think the women they approach are out of their "league", a bullshit concept, why dont they find an woman in their area that is? No they go over seas because this has nothing to do with finding a partner, it is about finding a mommy they can use to masturbate and has no agency. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/07/26 08:23 PM |
| 1 | Debate: women are allowed to distrust men, men are not allowed to distrust women (repost as I dodn't partipate within three hours)You are still not understanding the distinction. I am not making a claim about the private internal thoughts of every individual woman. I am making a claim about social context. When women distrust men, that distrust exists against a backdrop of male violence, sexual coercion, domestic abuse, legal subordination, and patriarchal control. That does not mean every woman has the same motive. It means the social context is different. When men distrust women in spaces like this, it is usually framed … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/07/26 06:32 PM |
| 1 | Debate: women are allowed to distrust men, men are not allowed to distrust women (repost as I dodn't partipate within three hours)This is exactly the kind of intellectually bankrupt response that's become common on Reddit. I made a sociological argument about historical context. You responded as though I'd made a claim about the internal motivations of every individual man and woman. Those are completely different propositions. At some point, "I just don't understand" stops being a credible excuse. We're in 2026. You have the same access to history, sociology, and basic research that everyone else does. If you're choosing … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/07/26 05:56 PM |
| 2 | Debate: women are allowed to distrust men, men are not allowed to distrust women (repost as I dodn't partipate within three hours)You want a source for the historical oppression of women? Any history text book. Go to a library and throw a stone you'll find one i promise. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/07/26 05:41 PM |
| 1 | What should be the appropriate punishment for a paternity fraud?Perjury and fraud but those are difficult to prosecute at such an individual and ambiguous issue. Its nothing lame a second family which is much clearer fraud and is an ongoing deception. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/07/26 02:10 PM |
| 4 | Debate: women are allowed to distrust men, men are not allowed to distrust women (repost as I dodn't partipate within three hours)History. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/07/26 02:08 PM |
| 1 | Debate: women are allowed to distrust men, men are not allowed to distrust women (repost as I dodn't partipate within three hours)Sure there is a difference there, but people don't infer motives in a vacuum. They infer them through the social context they live in, because that's how stereotypes form in the first place. The question isn't whether people use heuristics—they do. The question is whether those heuristics are justified and how they should affect behavior. For example, racial profiling in stores is a bad heuristic because it creates a self-reinforcing feedback loop. If you disproportionately watch Black shoppers,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/26 04:42 PM |
| 4 | Life as a woman in west is so much easierIts the wrong move to think they want any type of actual proof against their view. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/26 04:12 PM |
| 6 | Debate: women are allowed to distrust men, men are not allowed to distrust women (repost as I dodn't partipate within three hours)You're overcomplicating something that's actually pretty simple. Women distrusting men and men distrusting women aren't judged the same because they don't come from the same place. Women's distrust is largely a response to a world where men commit the overwhelming majority of sexual violence, domestic violence, and coercive abuse. It's based on a statistically elevated risk created by systemic inequality. Men's distrust of women, meanwhile, is usually the same recycled misogynistic bullshit: wom… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/26 04:11 PM |
| 12 | Life as a woman in west is so much easierSo you have never once heard the issues women face got it. Beyond that why do so many of you morons not understand what privilege means? You may still have issues but your gender is not one. No women are not more forgiven, they also get policed so much earlier that they tend to make changes faster. Corporations dont want women they are forced to accept them. When ever I see these posts it is clear its being done from a place of extreme privilege with zero effort to learn anything that threatens … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/26 02:22 PM |
| – | Even if the Red Pill doesn't understand philosophy or the history of gender essentialism, it doesn't change the fact that its worldview is fundamentally conservative.You're doing exactly what I described in the post. You keep insisting the Red Pill is "just dating advice," then immediately list a series of beliefs about what men and women are, how they differ, what women should value, what men should value, and what sexual behavior should mean. That's not just dating advice. That's a worldview. You also keep treating descriptive and prescriptive claims as though they're unrelated. They aren't. Saying "women tend to do X" is descriptive. Turning that into "th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/26 09:44 PM |
| 1 | What do you have to offer?Well that is wrong. Women do the work men dont but as we dont need royal heirs anymore women dont have "inherent" just like men dont. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/26 08:27 PM |
| 19 | What do you have to offer?They are why do you think men are having a harder time dating. For the same reason you all fail to understand any of the sources you use or fall back to "common sense" is why this doesnt make sense. Perhaps if you all listened to what women say rather than thinking they are trying to trick you men would be doing better. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/26 08:25 PM |
| – | Even if the Red Pill doesn't understand philosophy or the history of gender essentialism, it doesn't change the fact that its worldview is fundamentally conservative.My argument was about prescriptive gender ideology, not individual attraction. You're arguing with a position I never took. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/26 08:05 PM |
| 18 | What do you have to offer?Let's talk in generalities, because that's what you're doing. Women, on average, do the majority of the household labor, the majority of childcare, the majority of the social planning, and the majority of the emotional labor that keeps relationships functioning. Women are also contributing financially at historically high rates. So what exactly are men, as a population, bringing to the table? If women are doing most of the cleaning, most of the childcare, most of the cooking, most of the plannin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/26 08:04 PM |
| 7 | Passport broing is unfairly demonizedNo they cant deal with women who have agency. This has nothing to do with other men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/26 07:39 PM |
| – | Even if the Red Pill doesn't understand philosophy or the history of gender essentialism, it doesn't change the fact that its worldview is fundamentally conservative.Where is the middle between slavery and freedom? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/26 07:38 PM |
| – | Even if the Red Pill doesn't understand philosophy or the history of gender essentialism, it doesn't change the fact that its worldview is fundamentally conservative.Try reading the post rather than imagining it? Perhaps you will be better served. Though I have read about the rise in illiteracy so 🤷 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/26 07:35 PM |
| 11 | Passport broing is unfairly demonizedIf your dating strategy is built around finding people with fewer options, less bargaining power, and greater dependence on you, then yes, I question your judgment around vulnerable people in general. That isn't a trait I would trust around vulnerable women or children. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/26 07:29 PM |
| 1 | Even if the Red Pill doesn't understand philosophy or the history of gender essentialism, it doesn't change the fact that its worldview is fundamentally conservative.I think the disconnect is that you're treating gender as though it has to exist independently of society. I don't. Gender is a social construct, you agree to that, it just happens on the micro and macro. That doesn't mean it's fake. It means it's a framework humans created to organize traits, expectations, behaviors, and identities. Just as money, language, and laws are social constructs but still have real effects. If you removed society entirely, the concept of gender would disappear because t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/26 04:10 PM |
| -1 | Passport Brooing is nothing different then cheaper Escort Spamming.And that makes sexual exploitation better? Is it okay to SA a woman because if you dont you would never have sex? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/26 03:58 PM |
| 0 | Even if the Red Pill doesn't understand philosophy or the history of gender essentialism, it doesn't change the fact that its worldview is fundamentally conservative.None of this has anything to do with the accepted literature on transgender people. First, gender is a social construct. That's not a controversial statement in the relevant fields. Masculinity and femininity are socially constructed categories that people internally map onto themselves to varying degrees. That isn't the mind-body problem. Second, saying someone's experienced gender doesn't fully align with aspects of their body is not invoking the philosophical mind-body problem. Those are comp… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/26 02:40 PM |
| 3 | Passport Brooing is nothing different then cheaper Escort Spamming.Its semi legal slavery more like. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/26 02:17 PM |
| 5 | Passport Brooing is nothing different then cheaper Escort Spamming.You're flattening two very different ethical questions into one. I'm strongly pro-sex work. I think consensual sex work can be a legitimate profession and should be treated like legitimate labor. It should never be done for survival which is closer to the what happens with these men. My objection isn't to exchanging money for sex. It's to exploitation. There's a world of difference between someone freely choosing sex work because it's the job they prefer and someone engaging in it because povert… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/26 02:16 PM |
| 0 | Even if the Red Pill doesn't understand philosophy or the history of gender essentialism, it doesn't change the fact that its worldview is fundamentally conservative.First, the mind-body problem has nothing to do with gender. It's a general problem in philosophy about the relationship between minds and physical bodies, not an argument for or against gender essentialism. As for gender, I follow the scientific literature. The evidence points toward embodiment, not essentialism. Gender is understood through the interaction of the brain, body, and lived social experience. For many cis people those are sufficiently aligned that they rarely think about them. For m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/26 02:10 PM |
| 2 | Even if the Red Pill doesn't understand philosophy or the history of gender essentialism, it doesn't change the fact that its worldview is fundamentally conservative.Again what does the word PRESCRIPTIVE mean? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/26 01:29 PM |
| 0 | Even if the Red Pill doesn't understand philosophy or the history of gender essentialism, it doesn't change the fact that its worldview is fundamentally conservative.Well when it is 50/50 there will be a better argument for dating. Especially when our government is trying to pass laws that police women's bodies and reproductive rights means if a woman gets pregnant when she is not ready or wants too her financial plans for thr future change. So how about this, before we deal with dates let's fix all the systemic problems with child care, health care, and seixism in the workplace. Right now hearing you bitch about having to pay on a date is pretty low. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/26 12:29 PM |
| -1 | Even if the Red Pill doesn't understand philosophy or the history of gender essentialism, it doesn't change the fact that its worldview is fundamentally conservative.Do you know what the word prescriptive means? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/26 12:13 PM |
| -4 | Even if the Red Pill doesn't understand philosophy or the history of gender essentialism, it doesn't change the fact that its worldview is fundamentally conservative.Its unfortunate you are doing this. Red pill says women only want men who are tall. You have to be tall. Librial mean individuals can have preferences but its not prescriptive that men need to be tall. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/26 11:53 AM |
| 1 | The red pill philosophy loses to a vibrator because a vibrator wont try to take your rights away.You just don't pay attention to the news and apparently didn't even try a Google search. "Your claim however was: 'There are over 700 newly proposed anti-trans laws. Those affect and police cis women's bodies too.' Which you haven't substantiated yet." https://www.aclu.org/trump-on-lgbtq-rights https://www.axios.com/2025/02/05/anti-trans-executive-orders-trump https://glaad.org/trump-accountability-tracker/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_transgender_people_under_the_second_Trump_ad… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/26 10:10 AM |
| 4 | If you are the type of feminist to call men paranoid or closeted creeps for not wanting to approach women, while also praising men for following the "cross the street rule," then you are clearly a hypocrite with an agenda.You're conflating two completely different situations. A man politely approaching someone in an appropriate context isn't the same thing as following closely behind a lone woman at night on an empty street. One is an ordinary social interaction. The other can reasonably make someone anxious because she doesn't know your intentions. Those aren't contradictory positions. More importantly, nobody is praising men simply for "avoiding women." They're praising situational awareness. If you notice some… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/26 12:37 AM |
| – | It is the government’s job to fix the male loneliness issuetools that they need to deal with that also have to be developed before they’re an adult. HOW THE FUCK DO YOU PEOPLE NOT KNOW ABOUT THERAPY! Seriously im not saying its an instacure but you can develop all the life and copying skills you need IF YOU ACTUALLY WANT TO DO THE WORK. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 10:47 PM |
| – | It is the government’s job to fix the male loneliness issueYou're starting from a fundamentally incorrect understanding of what government is for. The government's role is to protect rights and provide public goods, and ensure a standard of economic livablity —not to ensure that people succeed in their romantic lives. If you want to argue for universal mental health care, better education, parks, or shorter working hours, then argue for those policies on their own merits. They benefit everyone. But the state has no obligation to get lonely men into rela… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 09:48 PM |
| 2 | The red pill philosophy loses to a vibrator because a vibrator wont try to take your rights away.Do you support Jim Crow or is separate and unequal too blunt for you? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 07:20 PM |
| – | Men can become angry because they cannot get laid, and that anger can make them less likely to get laid.Therapy isn't a girlfriend certification program. It's a tool for developing healthier ways of thinking and relating to other people. If, after a decade, you're still externalizing all of your problems onto women, then either you haven't meaningfully engaged with therapy or you need a different therapist. Either way, blaming women isn't solving anything. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 05:59 PM |
| 2 | The red pill philosophy loses to a vibrator because a vibrator wont try to take your rights away.There was actually less organized anti-trans political rhetoric before the modern culture war than there is now. One of the earliest and best-known centers for transgender healthcare, the Institut für Sexualwissenschaft in Berlin, was operating nearly a century ago before it was destroyed by the Nazis. That history alone should make you question the idea that today's panic is some timeless, natural response. More importantly, you still haven't meaningfully engaged with the three sources I provid… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 05:57 PM |
| – | Men can become angry because they cannot get laid, and that anger can make them less likely to get laid.Or go to therapy rather than strawman me | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 05:50 PM |
| 1 | The red pill philosophy loses to a vibrator because a vibrator wont try to take your rights away.We know that trans history is a critical part of Black history. Consider William Dorsey Swann, a Black man who endured slavery and lived through the Civil War and its racist aftermath. In the 1880s, Swann became the first American activist to lead a queer resistance group and the first known person to dub himself a “queen of drag” — or, more familiarly, a drag queen. But since the first time she entered the ring in Paris, Khelif’s body, mannerisms, identity and athleticism became the focus of sc… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 05:26 PM |
| 2 | Most young women prefer bad boys, but they would almost never admit itI just made a post this is a perfect example of. Was going to say the same thing lol | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 05:17 PM |
| 2 | The red pill philosophy loses to a vibrator because a vibrator wont try to take your rights away.Why does the rapist in chief tasititly condone calling a former first lady a man? These laws are ultimately about saying who is a "woman" meaning who is worthy of protection given to women. If a cis woman doesnt fit the outward standard (this is specifically a European tradfem presentation which is always why there are deep racist history's here too) then they are allowed to cut from society. Look up pre ww2 trans history in German. They attack us then disabled while using thoes to control women… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 05:10 PM |
| – | Men can become angry because they cannot get laid, and that anger can make them less likely to get laid.Yes being a deeply unhappy person makes you not a great person to be around. We keep telling these guys go to therapy for a reason. At some point we get tired of explaining how patriarchy hurts men and how especially the red pill is a fundamentally toxic ideology. You have to be your own partner before you can have space to be someone else's. That is what women have known for a long time. Its why women have better relationships and dont suffer from the death of their husband as badly as men when… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 05:00 PM |
| 0 | The red pill philosophy loses to a vibrator because a vibrator wont try to take your rights away.There are over 700 newly proposed anti trans laws. Those affect and police cis womens bodies too. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 04:54 PM |
| -1 | The superpower most men would choose—after eternal youth and unlimited wealth—is the ability to sleep with any woman they’re attracted to just by snapping their fingers.Considering how many men already try to approximate it with roofies sure. A lot of guys would love to not need to care about consent or womens ability to choose. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 10:38 AM |
| 0 | The red pill philosophy loses to a vibrator because a vibrator wont try to take your rights away.I think you're making the same mistake as before by treating "defining principle" as though it has to be an explicit axiom. That's not how philosophies are classified. Philosophies are grouped by their foundational assumptions and the explanations they generate. We observe recurring patterns, identify the underlying framework, and use that framework to describe and predict the rest of the worldview. That's why your Marxism/social democracy analogy actually hurts your argument. Nobody claims they… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 02:58 AM |
| 0 | The red pill philosophy loses to a vibrator because a vibrator wont try to take your rights away.I think you're treating "defining principle" as though it has to be an explicit axiom. That's not how philosophies work. We identify philosophies by recurring assumptions, explanatory frameworks, and normative conclusions. Liberalism, conservatism, Marxism, feminism, and existentialism aren't defined by a checklist of propositions that every adherent must consciously affirm. They're recognized because they repeatedly explain the world through the same underlying patterns. That's why I don't thin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 02:34 AM |
| 3 | The red pill philosophy loses to a vibrator because a vibrator wont try to take your rights away.You're confusing media coverage with empirical reality. "The left is the violent side" isn't supported by the available evidence. If we're judging movements by patterns of behavior rather than slogans, the pattern points in the opposite direction. You told me to judge actions instead of rhetoric. I did. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/right-wing-extremist-violence-is-more-frequent-and-deadly-than-left-wing-violence-data-shows | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 02:08 AM |
| 3 | The red pill philosophy loses to a vibrator because a vibrator wont try to take your rights away.So ya no reason UFC was on the front lawn of the white house like some trailer trash backyard wrestling match? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 02:02 AM |
| 0 | The red pill philosophy loses to a vibrator because a vibrator wont try to take your rights away.You're making a category error. Gun control is not the defining principle of feminism in the way you would need it to be for your argument to work. Women's safety and autonomy are. Some feminists support gun control because they see it as reducing intimate partner violence and political violence against marginalized people. Some feminists support gun ownership because they see it as community self-defense for marginalized people. Those are different policy conclusions derived from the same under… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 01:59 AM |
| -1 | The red pill philosophy loses to a vibrator because a vibrator wont try to take your rights away.Then maybe ask yourself why so many of your beliefs overlap with theirs. How many Red Pill discussions obsess over body count? Virginity? Traditional gender roles? Stay-at-home wives? Female submission? Opposition to feminism? If you consistently advocate the same expectations for women that conservative Christians do, don't be surprised when women stop distinguishing between you. At some point, the label matters less than the outcome. You can insist you're different all day long. If you're push… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 01:52 AM |
| 0 | The red pill philosophy loses to a vibrator because a vibrator wont try to take your rights away.Lol they will pry them from our cold fingers. My wife and I would be much less happy people if they took ours. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 01:50 AM |
| 2 | The red pill philosophy loses to a vibrator because a vibrator wont try to take your rights away.You know we have guns right? Believe me you are easy to replace if can protect woman against the men that want to take those rights away Is all you bring to the table. What Rambo fever dream do you live in that "saving" Women from OTHER MEN means you should be given sex? If you are a moral human and an adult you would realize you protect people's rights because they are human not because you want pussy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 01:47 AM |
| 1 | The red pill philosophy loses to a vibrator because a vibrator wont try to take your rights away.Feminism (the majority of us) are explicitly progressive. Also those are defining principles so you dont know feminist theory or activism. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 01:42 AM |
| 6 | The red pill philosophy loses to a vibrator because a vibrator wont try to take your rights away.I also say overlap, I could say parallel too. The fact is Trump hit the manosphere podcast ecosystem hard. The same guys watching Rogan are watching the red pill creators he brings on. To pretend red pill isnt tradcon in terms of gender essentialism. It is a web of connected views. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 01:40 AM |
| 17 | Mongolia shows that traditional masculinity and relatively high gender equality can coexist.I don't think Mongolia demonstrates what you think it does. Much of what you describe follows naturally from a subsistence nomadic society, not from some special compatibility between traditional masculinity and gender equality. When survival depends on everyone contributing, women necessarily take on major economic responsibilities. Someone has to manage the livestock, household, finances, and children while men are away. That's a feature of the economic structure, not evidence that traditional… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/26 08:33 PM |
| 2 | If you were born male, do you think you'd be doing better than other men in areas that you criticize men for?think this question fundamentally misunderstands what dating looks like for a lot of women in 2026. Even though I was born male and lived as one for most of my life, I've never been especially gender-conforming, and women have spent years talking to me about their experiences dating men. The concerns I hear aren't primarily, "Can I find a man attractive?" They're: Is he going to respect my autonomy? Is he secretly a Red Pill guy who expects me to become his tradwife? Is he emotionally mature? Wi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/26 06:11 PM |
| 0 | Most of the Red Pill Men would be happier and more successful dating other Red Pill Men and hiring sex workers than trying to find a new mommy they can use as a flashlight."Homosocial" doesn't capture what I'm describing. Homosocial relationships are same-sex social bonds. My argument is about the pattern of emotional needs these men repeatedly describe and who they direct those needs toward. I'm explicitly separating romantic attraction from sexual attraction. Someone can be romantically oriented toward one gender while being sexually attracted to another, or vice versa. That's the distinction I'm discussing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/26 06:07 PM |
| 1 | Most of the Red Pill Men would be happier and more successful dating other Red Pill Men and hiring sex workers than trying to find a new mommy they can use as a flashlight.Ah yes. Have I ever considered being romantically attracted to men? I wonder if I've ever thought about the thing that, for most of Western history, was either the only socially acceptable option or the only legally recognized one. Truly a mystery. Since sarcasm doesn't seem to translate particularly well here, let me be explicit. You keep acting as though asking someone to consider a different relationship framework is some uniquely offensive statement. It isn't. The difference is between askin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/26 04:31 PM |
| 1 | Most of the Red Pill Men would be happier and more successful dating other Red Pill Men and hiring sex workers than trying to find a new mommy they can use as a flashlight.Thanks for finally acknowledging that "would" and "are" are two completely different claims. My original point was never that these men are homoromantic. It was that, based on how they consistently describe the relationships they actually value, another romantic framework might fit them better. That's a suggestion, not a diagnosis, and certainly not an insult. You also keep insisting that saying something like that would be offensive to everyone except straight cis men. I don't think that's true… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/26 03:08 PM |
| 23 | As a man who struggled to orgasm with partners, I really think the discourse around orgasm gap is unfair.It is genuinely frustrating how many men in this sub don't seem to understand this distinction. The orgasm gap is not a claim that every individual man can easily orgasm or that every individual woman can. Individual people can absolutely have anxiety, trauma, medication effects, inexperience, or other psychological barriers that make orgasm difficult. The term orgasm gap refers to a population-level pattern: in heterosexual encounters, women orgasm significantly less often than men. Research co… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/26 11:24 AM |
| 0 | Most of the Red Pill Men would be happier and more successful dating other Red Pill Men and hiring sex workers than trying to find a new mommy they can use as a flashlight.Its in the post which you havent read. If you dont understand the post first say that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/26 11:16 AM |
| 1 | Most of the Red Pill Men would be happier and more successful dating other Red Pill Men and hiring sex workers than trying to find a new mommy they can use as a flashlight.Nope strike two. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/26 03:09 AM |
| 0 | Do you think you have a positiv impact on men here?If they are being called sexist, misogynistic, woman-haters, or mentally ill, and they get offended, I doubt they were ever arguing in good faith to begin with. As for the second half, the Red Pill doesn't use actual scientific research. It cherry-picks pop evolutionary psychology that it barely understands while ignoring sociology, anthropology, history, biology, and psychology whenever those fields contradict its worldview. If you told the average Red Piller about the ancient Greek idea of the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/26 03:04 AM |
| – | Most of the Red Pill Men would be happier and more successful dating other Red Pill Men and hiring sex workers than trying to find a new mommy they can use as a flashlight.You keep thinking that because you lack reading comprehension. Go back try again, if you need help go get your mommy to help you sound out the big words. I know it will be difficult but I believe in you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/26 02:44 AM |
| 2 | Most of the Red Pill Men would be happier and more successful dating other Red Pill Men and hiring sex workers than trying to find a new mommy they can use as a flashlight.This is genuinely embarrassing. I never argued that anyone should date a trans person. I said exactly the opposite. Yet instead of defending your biology claims, you've invented a fantasy where I'm upset that men won't date me. I don't date men. You're arguing with a version of me that exists entirely in your own imagination because it's easier than responding to what I actually wrote. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/26 11:26 PM |
| – | Women get autoimmune disorders more than men because they have it worseLol apparently my body knows I am a woman even if I was born male. Autoimmune issues suck and yes stress has a huge impact which is why cis het men are going to be impacted least. The red pill men who think they are now the oppressed class are delusional. Fucking hell pop feminist already gives an explanation "equality feels like oppression when you have only known privilege". Its like Musk (who these guys love) complaining about taxes. Expect men to react like children yelling men have it worse… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/26 10:12 PM |
| 1 | Most of the Red Pill Men would be happier and more successful dating other Red Pill Men and hiring sex workers than trying to find a new mommy they can use as a flashlight.At some point you're going to have to actually read what I wrote. For the second time, you're responding as though I said "men need more sex" or "men should have sex with men." I didn't say either of those things. My entire argument distinguishes romantic attraction from sexual attraction. That's literally the premise you've ignored in every reply. You keep arguing against a position I never took instead of the one I actually wrote. You're also, again, outside the group I'm describing. I am talk… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/26 09:50 PM |
| 1 | Most of the Red Pill Men would be happier and more successful dating other Red Pill Men and hiring sex workers than trying to find a new mommy they can use as a flashlight.Your post is homophobic because calling a hetero man gay or homoromantic is intended as an insult... Does the word "would" mean the same thing as "are"? If I had said these men are homoromantic, you could at least argue I was assigning them an identity. I didn't. I said many of them would be happier exploring a different relationship structure because of how they describe and prioritize their relationships. That's a recommendation based on my interpretation of their behavior, not a diagnosis. Yo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/26 07:47 PM |
| 1 | Talking to women is impossible.Its so fucking creepy you are talking about 16 year old girls followers who are perverted old men . This is why I say red pill want to live in one of the 39 US states lead by Republicans where they keep stopping laws to remove child marriage. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/26 04:51 PM |
| 1 | Most of the Red Pill Men would be happier and more successful dating other Red Pill Men and hiring sex workers than trying to find a new mommy they can use as a flashlight.That sucks sorry you had to deal with that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/26 04:32 PM |
| 1 | Most of the Red Pill Men would be happier and more successful dating other Red Pill Men and hiring sex workers than trying to find a new mommy they can use as a flashlight.You're categorically outside the group I'm discussing. I'm describing a specific subset of Red Pill men whose emotional worlds are centered around male approval, status, and validation. If that doesn't describe you, then great, but your personal experience doesn't actually address my argument. Your response is essentially "I'm not like that." Congratulations. I'm not talking about you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/26 04:27 PM |
| 0 | Most of the Red Pill Men would be happier and more successful dating other Red Pill Men and hiring sex workers than trying to find a new mommy they can use as a flashlight.This is one of the dumbest comments in this thread. I never argued that anyone should date trans women. You simply saw that a trans person was involved and reflexively began reciting the anti-trans NPC dialogue tree: chromosomes, "biological men," and a preemptive defense against accusations of hate speech. The truly amazing part is that you're invoking biology while demonstrating an understanding of sex that would embarrass an undergraduate biology student. Science moved beyond "Y chromosome = … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/26 03:59 PM |
| – | Most of the Red Pill Men would be happier and more successful dating other Red Pill Men and hiring sex workers than trying to find a new mommy they can use as a flashlight.You've had multiple opportunities to explain this alleged "elephant in the room" and have declined each time. At this point I'm forced to conclude that either you can't articulate it or you know it won't survive scrutiny. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/26 03:34 PM |
| 1 | Most of the Red Pill Men would be happier and more successful dating other Red Pill Men and hiring sex workers than trying to find a new mommy they can use as a flashlight.This is basically “men are robots” with extra steps, and I don’t agree with that. Neither does most psychological research on human attachment, emotional regulation, or social support. Also, your own points explain the problem if you read them bottom-up. Women are cautious about male vulnerability because many men confuse emotional intimacy with dumping unresolved issues onto a partner, expecting one-sided care, or treating support as a transaction. That is not the same thing as mutual emotional… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/26 03:31 PM |
| 1 | Most of the Red Pill Men would be happier and more successful dating other Red Pill Men and hiring sex workers than trying to find a new mommy they can use as a flashlight.I was openly bisexual in high school twenty years ago. The idea that I'm secretly horrified by attraction to men is laughable. But thanks for proving my point: you've spent this entire exchange psychoanalyzing me instead of responding to the argument I actually made. When you do ill respond till then actually fuck off. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/26 02:33 PM |
| – | Most of the Red Pill Men would be happier and more successful dating other Red Pill Men and hiring sex workers than trying to find a new mommy they can use as a flashlight.How about you try it or is this contentless circle jerking? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/26 02:31 PM |
| 1 | Most of the Red Pill Men would be happier and more successful dating other Red Pill Men and hiring sex workers than trying to find a new mommy they can use as a flashlight.You're still responding to an argument I never made. I've explained that multiple times, and you still haven't engaged with my actual point. My argument is about how Red Pill men describe and relate to men versus women, not "men who struggle with women are secretly gay." Either you're unwilling or unable to address what I actually wrote. In either case, there's not much discussion to be had. Also, accusing a pansexual trans woman of homophobia because she discussed romantic orientation is genuin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/26 02:30 PM |
| 4 | Most of the Red Pill Men would be happier and more successful dating other Red Pill Men and hiring sex workers than trying to find a new mommy they can use as a flashlight.The fact that so many people in this thread cannot distinguish romantic attraction from sexual attraction honestly says a lot. You can admire, idealize, emotionally invest in, and seek validation from someone without wanting to have sex with them. Most people learn this distinction sometime around middle school. The fact that you think "men seek admiration and emotional fulfillment from other men" automatically means "men want to fuck men" suggests you fundamentally do not understand what romanc… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/26 02:23 PM |
| 0 | Most of the Red Pill Men would be happier and more successful dating other Red Pill Men and hiring sex workers than trying to find a new mommy they can use as a flashlight.The number of people in this thread who have read "homoromantic" and somehow interpreted it as "secretly homosexual" is honestly fascinating. Romantic attraction and sexual attraction are not the same thing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/26 02:16 PM |
| 0 | Most of the Red Pill Men would be happier and more successful dating other Red Pill Men and hiring sex workers than trying to find a new mommy they can use as a flashlight.They also dont know the difference between heaven emotions and just trauma dumping. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/26 02:14 PM |
| 1 | Most of the Red Pill Men would be happier and more successful dating other Red Pill Men and hiring sex workers than trying to find a new mommy they can use as a flashlight.You're reading "men might be homoromantic" as an insult. I don't regard it as one. That's your assumption, not mine. No one is being thrown anywhere. Again try dealing with my actual arguments and opinions. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/26 02:13 PM |
| 1 | Most of the Red Pill Men would be happier and more successful dating other Red Pill Men and hiring sex workers than trying to find a new mommy they can use as a flashlight.Romantic attraction and sexual attraction are distinct concepts. This is not exactly obscure knowledge in 2026. You're free to disagree with my analysis, but you should at least respond to the argument I actually made rather than the one you've invented. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/26 01:29 PM |
| -1 | Most of the Red Pill Men would be happier and more successful dating other Red Pill Men and hiring sex workers than trying to find a new mommy they can use as a flashlight.This is just a No True Scotsman argument. The Red Pill isn't merely "observing how people act." It's a prescriptive framework about how men and women supposedly are, how they should relate to each other, and how men should behave to achieve certain outcomes. It absolutely gives relationship advice. Telling men to maintain frame, avoid vulnerability, spin plates, avoid single mothers, prioritize status, or treat relationships as power negotiations is advice. You also don't get to disown every pro… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/26 01:26 PM |
| 0 | Most of the Red Pill Men would be happier and more successful dating other Red Pill Men and hiring sex workers than trying to find a new mommy they can use as a flashlight.Reread the post. You dont understand it. Im not saying anyone is attracted here. If you read the post as the mods clearly have the point is clear. The would be better if they stopped trying to fit a cishet relationship style. If you think in a binary straight gay, I can see why you dont understand but sexuality and romantic attraction are not the same and more complex than penis vagina. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/26 01:15 PM |
| 1 | Most of the Red Pill Men would be happier and more successful dating other Red Pill Men and hiring sex workers than trying to find a new mommy they can use as a flashlight.Try actually using MY argument not the one you made up | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/26 01:10 PM |
| 1 | Most of the Red Pill Men would be happier and more successful dating other Red Pill Men and hiring sex workers than trying to find a new mommy they can use as a flashlight.I would love to hear you justify that, how am I being homophobic? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/26 12:16 PM |
| 1 | Most of the Red Pill Men would be happier and more successful dating other Red Pill Men and hiring sex workers than trying to find a new mommy they can use as a flashlight.Oh I agree it may not be the majority but all of them should examine if that would be a better option. Just like how there are a not small number of incels who become transwomen (transmaxxing). You could say if you wanted to be clinically detached say: men of the red pill being generally locked into the patriarchal hierarchical power structure tied intrinsically to cis heteronormative gender dynamics would be better served by exploring relational dynamics beyond the prescriptive gender roles and… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/26 12:14 PM |
| 4 | Most of the Red Pill Men would be happier and more successful dating other Red Pill Men and hiring sex workers than trying to find a new mommy they can use as a flashlight.Those are not what im talking about though so you dont understand the post if you think that. When a man only talks about women as cum receptacles who can clean then talk about other men and turn into breedable gushing admires that is more than brotherhood. Now companionship can mean a few things one of them being homoromantic relationships. Considering your first comment this is a lot more good faith that I think you deserve so give a real argument or let everyone see youre a moron. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/26 11:24 AM |
| 2 | Most of the Red Pill Men would be happier and more successful dating other Red Pill Men and hiring sex workers than trying to find a new mommy they can use as a flashlight.No its based on how these men sound when I watch and listen to what they say. I dont really have relationships with men generally to start with. Most of the friends I end up having are women and I generally date women. The only thing that I care about related to the red pill is how bad they are for society The thing i care about with men in general is their need to grow up and be fully actualized adults with the ability to inhabit the entire emotional spectrum. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/26 11:19 AM |
| 3 | Most of the Red Pill Men would be happier and more successful dating other Red Pill Men and hiring sex workers than trying to find a new mommy they can use as a flashlight.What the actual projection, where did I force myself to anything? If a post is genuine is not something I think you are really qualified to judge with the seeming lack of reading comprehension you are demonstrating. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/26 11:04 AM |
| 0 | Most of the Red Pill Men would be happier and more successful dating other Red Pill Men and hiring sex workers than trying to find a new mommy they can use as a flashlight.Not saying biphobia doesn't exist in progressive spaces but way to attack a strawman. The progressive position is they are good. People who are phobic are encouraged to deconstruct their view. If your only argument against my post is one you made up try again. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/26 11:00 AM |
| 1 | Most of the Red Pill Men would be happier and more successful dating other Red Pill Men and hiring sex workers than trying to find a new mommy they can use as a flashlight.I think this actually strengthens my argument rather than weakens it. You're absolutely right that Red Pill spaces often frame emotional vulnerability with women as weak or unattractive because they believe women will reject men for it. But human beings still need emotional intimacy and support. If Red Pill men are discouraged from being emotionally vulnerable with women, yet still require emotional support—as all humans do—then that intimacy has to go somewhere. Very often, it goes toward other… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/26 10:56 AM |
| -2 | Most of the Red Pill Men would be happier and more successful dating other Red Pill Men and hiring sex workers than trying to find a new mommy they can use as a flashlight.Im in an open marriage and have had multiple kink play partners. A woman pointing out how dumb you are doesnt mean they are a femcel | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/26 10:53 AM |
| 5 | Most of the Red Pill Men would be happier and more successful dating other Red Pill Men and hiring sex workers than trying to find a new mommy they can use as a flashlight.When women are treated primarily as cum receptacles and status symbols while your deepest bonds, admiration, and emotional investments are centered on men, that's something much deeper than simply having close male friends. A lot of Red Pill men treat other men as fully realized human beings while treating women as utilities. They spend most of their time with men, obsess over male bodies, status, and approval, and reserve admiration, loyalty, and emotional intimacy for men. You can romantically… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/26 10:50 AM |
| 0 | Most of the Red Pill Men would be happier and more successful dating other Red Pill Men and hiring sex workers than trying to find a new mommy they can use as a flashlight.You seem to have misunderstood my point. I'm not saying these men "must be gay." In fact, I'm explicitly arguing the opposite. I'm distinguishing between sexual and romantic attraction. I'm suggesting that many Red Pill men appear to be sexually attracted to women while directing much of their romantic and emotional energy toward other men. Wanting close male friendships is completely normal. That's not my argument. A heterosexual man with close male friends is not homoromantic. A man whose enti… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/26 10:40 AM |
| 17 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenYou're starting from a premise I think is wrong. Some of the hate feminists receive is deserved; activists are capable of using terrible tactics and making bad arguments. But a great deal of the backlash has nothing to do with tactics. Even if these women communicated perfectly, many would still be hated because feminism challenges social hierarchies and traditional gender roles that some people derive status, identity, and self-worth from. When your sense of value depends on existing power stru… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/26 10:36 AM |
| 3 | The mockery of "unselected" men is a proxy victory. Women celebrate their loneliness because they are powerless against the elite men who actually exploit them. The target at low hanging fruit to make themselves feel better.I have expressed and discussed frustration about masculinity, loneliness, dating, and alienation plenty of times while presenting as a man. Nobody called me misogynistic because I wasn't blaming women for my problems. You keep pretending that "male frustration" and "misogyny" are the same thing because otherwise you'd have to admit that people are reacting to what is being said, not to the mere existence of lonely men. A man saying, "I'm lonely and struggling" gets sympathy all the time. A man s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 05:18 PM |
| – | Red pill men speak often about failing to form romantic relationships with women, I believe the ideology is flawed.I wish well written essays helped the Red Pill but alas they dont have the intellectual power to do more than live in "common sense" one sentence slogans. Ever try to use the socrate method with these guys? For a group that loves to talk about how logical and stoic they are it amazes me how emotional and shallow their philosophy is. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 02:00 PM |
| – | it is acceptible for women to dress in revealing outfits only because of male-dominated psyopsMen can wear revealing clothing, youre talking about feminine coded revealing clothing. Also this is mostly imposed by men not women. Its like people on this sub live in a caricature of reality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 01:13 PM |
| 2 | Men have no sympathy towards womenOne of the biggest problems is most men are completely ignorant of womens experiences. Men are centered and presented in media and really everywhere. Especially the men in the Manosphere/Red Pill who are mostly morons with zero desire to update their world to one which doesn't only cater to them. Add them being the most sensitive snowflake cucks to use their language whenever anything comes along that is even mildly critical and you get the current MAGA Red pill bullshit. Its unfortunate but tru… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 11:01 AM |
| 5 | The mockery of "unselected" men is a proxy victory. Women celebrate their loneliness because they are powerless against the elite men who actually exploit them. The target at low hanging fruit to make themselves feel better.So let's add reading comprehension to the list of problems here. I explicitly said that incel communities concern many women because some of those spaces have produced misogyny, rape apologetics, and even real-world violence. I did not say that "unselected men" as a class are dangerous. More broadly, women treating men as a potential risk in certain situations is not the same thing as believing men are monsters. Men are, on average, physically stronger than women, so women often take precautions… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 01:07 AM |
| 6 | The mockery of "unselected" men is a proxy victory. Women celebrate their loneliness because they are powerless against the elite men who actually exploit them. The target at low hanging fruit to make themselves feel better.I honestly have no idea what reality this post is describing. The entire argument begins from the assumption that women are fundamentally cruel and actively enjoy hurting vulnerable men. Most women are not sitting around celebrating the loneliness of "unselected men." In reality, many women are concerned about incel communities because some of those spaces have developed explicit misogyny, rape apologetics, and in a number of cases have even been linked to real-world violence. The irony is that … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 12:17 AM |
| 2 | Real issues get dismissed as hate because people are biasedRape culture =/= the majority of mens issues. At some point you also need to recognize the power structures involved. Men are the majority, they have the systematic power. Men need to recognize that and yes tone police themselves. It would be very useful to understand a group with control then acts like a victim rather than asking for help from the same groups they oppressed looks like a bitch move as they say. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/26 11:15 PM |
| – | If unselected men become a threat, society is more likely to get rid of them then placate themI address this those men get co-opted by authoritarians | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/26 04:21 PM |
| – | If unselected men become a threat, society is more likely to get rid of them then placate themYa that is them being co-opted. Its why MAGA is primarily men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/26 04:20 PM |
| – | If unselected men become a threat, society is more likely to get rid of them then placate themThis doesn't line up with history at all. Throughout history, elites have rarely responded to large populations of disaffected men by simply repressing or discarding them. More often, they co-opt them. Fascist movements, nationalist movements, imperial projects, religious movements, and authoritarian regimes have repeatedly mobilized socially and economically marginalized men by offering them status, identity, purpose, and a scapegoat. If high-status men are making the rules, why would they repr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/26 03:57 PM |
| 4 | Real issues get dismissed as hate because people are biasedI don't think men's issues get dismissed because people hate men. I think they're often dismissed because many of the loudest voices discussing them frame those issues through misogyny, especially within the current manosphere and Red Pill movements. Most people, including most feminists, agree that men face real problems: loneliness, social isolation, rigid gender expectations, lack of emotional support, stigma around vulnerability, and inadequate mental health care. Many of the other issues me… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/26 03:26 PM |
| 10 | Women ignore men on purposeThe entitlement here is strong. First, nobody has a right to other people's attention. You pay taxes so you can call the police or the fire department because those are public services. Human attention isn't a public utility. If you want people to pay attention to you, you generally need to provide something that makes them want to engage with you. Second, this idea that women are constantly crossing the street and hiding from men is exaggerated. Most women are not crossing the street simply bec… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/26 03:14 AM |
| 3 | Talking to women is impossible.Meetup.com is a good start, a library, a community center. The internet generally. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/26 06:20 PM |
| 24 | Talking to women is impossible.The problem isn't that talking to women is impossible. The problem is that a lot of men have built lives where they almost never interact with women outside of explicitly dating contexts. Go join a sports league. Join a hobby group. Join a book club, a knitting circle, a volunteer organization, a D&D group, a church, a hiking club—anything that regularly puts you around mixed-gender groups. The goal isn't to meet women. The goal is to build an actual social network. Once you have friends, those … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/26 03:31 PM |
| 8 | The sexual revolution and casual sex brought about delusional standards - even for women who are not promiscuous.Stuff only happening on the internet for 100 alex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/26 08:09 PM |
| 0 | The idea that men shouldn’t approach women is dying out in the mainstreamIt's not really dying out, and it's not dying out in the way people seem to think. Women are absolutely becoming more assertive in dating. They're more likely to initiate, express interest directly, and pursue relationships than they were a generation ago. What hasn't changed nearly as much is when women choose to do that. By and large, women are still far more likely to make the first move after they've known someone for a while and have had time to assess whether that person is safe, emotional… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/26 03:10 PM |
| – | A lot of people don't really know who they are or what they want, and that makes them incredibly frustrating to dateBut the thing is, if you do feel uncomfortable or you're not enjoying, why not mention that? I don't want you to stay with me if you don't want to, that's the reason I asked. Why do women say they choose the bear? The answer for both is the same. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/26 01:31 PM |
| – | A lot of people don't really know who they are or what they want, and that makes them incredibly frustrating to dateSeems more like there was no chemistry and it was a bad date. What is it with people taking a single experience and blowing it up into a broader behavioral pattern? None of what you describe here actually supports the larger point you seem to want to make. You went on one bad date with someone you didn't click with. That's normal. Not having strong opinions about art, being reserved, or not being especially outgoing doesn't make someone an "NPC." It just means the two of you weren't compatible. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/26 03:22 AM |
| – | Female entitlementThese posts confuse me so much. What do you think women feel entitled to because I am positive you are wrong. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/26 05:53 PM |
| 2 | No AI generated postsHow will you be determine AI content as even ai detection software used by even Harvard fail to address these issues https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2026/5/28/ai-harvard-pedagogy/ The important thing is whether the post is actually well done not how its written and edited. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 06:35 PM |
| 3 | Men are blamed first before any rationality is considered because women will never choose a stance against each other if they can blame menThe UK has a lot more open hate groups that are not even pretending to not be a hate group. Your country has bigger groups to deal with. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 06:23 PM |
| 6 | Men are blamed first before any rationality is considered because women will never choose a stance against each other if they can blame menA few prominent members sure but the entire MAGA cohort is winning by a country mile. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 05:33 PM |
| 6 | Men are blamed first before any rationality is considered because women will never choose a stance against each other if they can blame menThe reason people, especially now, react so strongly to discussions about trans athletes is because those debates are often not really about sports. They're about reinforcing the primary social status of cisgender, heterosexual, often Christian conservative masculinity. More broadly, men tend to get pushback on these issues because there is very little trust that the arguments are being made in good faith. Too often, these debates end up being vehicles for attacking women and LGBTQ+ communities … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 05:32 PM |
| 1 | Are you sure size doesn't matter?You know plenty of women have sex with partners who have zero inchs of penis right? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 04:57 PM |
| 1 | Too many men are obsessed with masculinity when it’s really they’re not acting like adults.Im going to start backwards on this one. Meritocracy is largely a myth because what you're able to achieve is heavily dependent on the opportunities and resources you have access to in the first place. As for children, no, we should not be trying to turn them into adults as quickly as possible. There's a very good reason adolescence exists. Children are meant to be children. Responsibility should increase gradually, but development doesn't stop at 18. In fact, we don't even treat people as fully… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 01:21 PM |
| 3 | Too many men are obsessed with masculinity when it’s really they’re not acting like adults.Toxic masculinity has been around since the 1970s when the metholetic men's movement started. As for the rest of the post yes I would generally agree most of the red pill complain about masculinity when in actuality they just need therapy and to be adults. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 11:17 AM |
| 14 | The manosphere thrives because society has failed to provide an alternative.I think you're right that it is extraordinarily difficult for a 25- or 30-year-old man who has been socialized this way his entire life to suddenly become emotionally vulnerable, especially when he has never been given the language or tools to do it. Where I disagree is on the idea that we need some entirely new form of masculinity. We don't. Men don't need a "new masculinity." Men need permission to do things our culture has coded as feminine. One of feminism's biggest successes has been giving… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 08:11 PM |
| – | Gender relationship are harmed by blank slatismThats not close to what feminism says. Your examples are moronic, women's reported libedo can be wrong for so many many reasons its not even useful. Women's reported libido is influenced by so many social, emotional, relational, and cultural factors that treating self-reported desire as some straightforward biological measure isn't particularly useful. The biggest being that women are heavily socialized around sex and sexuality. As for women who feel raped in marriage (because informed meaningfu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 05:36 PM |
| 1 | People are too in love with social media validation to give it up for a partner who doesn’t beat that attentionYou ever see the diagram of ww2 plane bullet map? Thats all this is. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 05:25 PM |
| 2 | Alot of women want to control men and their sex life and it can be proven by a simple hypotheticalhttps://www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/misgendered-skeleton-changes-views-prehistoric-women/6068/ You're dramatically overstating what evolutionary psychology can explain. Humans may have evolved to notice broad cues associated with health and fertility—things like general health, developmental stability, and symmetry—but that's a very different claim from "women are biologically programmed to only want high-status men" or "men are biologically programmed to prefer a specific body type." You're confla… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 06:29 PM |
| 3 | Alot of women want to control men and their sex life and it can be proven by a simple hypotheticalYou're dramatically overstating what evolutionary psychology can explain. Human attraction is not some fixed, universal algorithm running unchanged from the Stone Age. Humans may have evolved to notice broad cues associated with health and fertility, but "men universally prefer X body type" is simply false. Standards of beauty vary enormously across cultures and throughout history. Different societies have valued fatness, thinness, pale skin, dark skin, large breasts, small breasts, foot binding… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 05:39 PM |
| 1 | There's No Shame in a Man Wanting a BangmaidHoly fuck, these people really are getting dumber. The criticism of the "bangmaid" concept has never been about people dividing labor in relationships. It's about power differentials and imposed gender expectations. When women say they want a provider in the sense described in this post, they are generally still describing an equal partnership. They want financial stability, not a subordinate whose value exists solely in what he provides. Even in something as explicitly gendered as the bimbo fet… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 05:34 PM |
| 3 | Alot of women want to control men and their sex life and it can be proven by a simple hypotheticalFoot binding, lip stretching and many more if we are listing dumb socially reinforced sexaul standards. The general understanding of evopsych is so low I think that is the only reason you all ride that dick so hard. Especially because actual psychology would do you all a lot better. Sure you need to go past internet meme maybe start with a high school personal psych class. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 05:15 PM |
| 7 | Alot of women want to control men and their sex life and it can be proven by a simple hypotheticalYa its the same mentality that a republican in the poorest area with no money has when they oppose raising taxes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 05:11 PM |
| 15 | Alot of women want to control men and their sex life and it can be proven by a simple hypotheticalMen who are able to deal with equal power in relationships dont seek out poor women. I really do think the RedPill if they could get away with it would force 14 year old girls to be married of by their fathers. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 04:51 PM |
| 3 | Alot of women want to control men and their sex life and it can be proven by a simple hypotheticalNature intended men to be selected on either looks or money/status.» Yeah, that fucking nature is really bearing down on us as we sit in climate-controlled houses using handheld supercomputers connected to a global information network. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 04:49 PM |
| 5 | Alot of women want to control men and their sex life and it can be proven by a simple hypotheticalThis is exactly the kind of thinking feminists are talking about when they discuss exploitation and survival sex work. You're describing a system where wealthy men from developed countries gain access to economically vulnerable women from poorer countries and then presenting that power imbalance as a feature rather than a problem. Women are not a natural resource to be redistributed to lonely men. The fact that you interpret women's objections as "wanting to control men" instead of concerns abou… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 04:46 PM |
| 2 | Feminists could do well, if they develop humilityOkay tell me what the point of the question? What is it meant to help illustrate? If you cant explain the point in a way women would accept as valid you are fighting shadows. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 04:24 PM |
| 3 | Feminists could do well, if they develop humilityAt some point you should look up emotional labor. Also feminism made space like supporting mental health but men and rp think that therapy is a feminist trick. If you want empathy start by realizing women are not the ones keeping men down. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 05:14 AM |
| 2 | Feminists could do well, if they develop humility"Feminists need humility" is a strange criticism when a huge portion of the modern men's movement consists of telling women that feminism ruined society, women are hypergamous, divorce should be harder, and traditional gender roles should return. Much of what gets called "misandry" is simply women describing experiences that men don't share. The "man vs. bear" discourse wasn't women saying men are literally worse than bears; it was women recognizing a shared feeling of vulnerability. Men often i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 05:10 AM |
| 1 | Q4W: Are there any critiques of feminism that you believe are valid from a woman’s perspective?There isn't really a singular "feminist position" on most of the issues you're bringing up. Feminism isn't one ideology; it's an umbrella containing dozens of traditions that frequently disagree with each other. For example, there are sex-positive feminists, anti-porn feminists, sex worker rights feminists, radical feminists, liberal feminists, Marxist feminists, intersectional feminists, and trans-exclusionary feminists. Many of these groups spend as much time arguing with other feminists as th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 04:25 AM |
| – | I do not believe that dudes being dangerous/aggressive is an excuse for girls to lie to guys or lead them/manipulate them or not give them an explanation:This entire post is the best argument for why women often don't give brutally honest rejections. You're openly saying women owe you explanations, dismissing their safety concerns with "fuck their safety," and framing rejection itself as an injustice being done to you. Why would any woman read that and think, "Yes, this man will definitely handle complete honesty well"? Nobody owes you a relationship. Nobody owes you an explanation. Nobody owes you emotional labor. "I'm not interested" is enough.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 04:15 AM |
| – | I do not believe that dudes being dangerous/aggressive is an excuse for girls to lie to guys or lead them/manipulate them or not give them an explanation:Vaccines cause autism and the earth is flat too. You should chemically castrate yourself and go full incel. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 04:10 AM |
| – | I do not believe that dudes being dangerous/aggressive is an excuse for girls to lie to guys or lead them/manipulate them or not give them an explanation:It was insane, we were at her house to help pack for her move and he came home. He was supposed to just go upstairs, we told my mom we dont want to interact with him. But just like this guy and so many they think they are entitled to something from women cause he knew not to even try that shit with me. There also an aspect that he knows im smarter than he is which is why when I tried to de-escalate he literally took off his shirt and asking "if I want to go". There is another post from today whe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 01:52 AM |
| 0 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenI appreciate it, I just see these posts so often and unfortunately I know how guys talk in locker rooms. I truly thought it was getting better, this MAGA movement has really broken a part of me. I used to feel safer in this country and like I could tell who to be careful of, then I learned people who I grew up with, people I thought believed in progressive views said they were MAGA. It makes me wonder if they just think im "one of the good ones" and I turned into "what I know a Muslim/transwoman… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 01:32 AM |
| 1 | I do not believe that dudes being dangerous/aggressive is an excuse for girls to lie to guys or lead them/manipulate them or not give them an explanation:It's funny that you still don't seem to understand what personal boundaries are. Nobody is arguing that you can't set boundaries. Nobody is arguing that you owe strangers access to you. The point is that other people are not owed emotional labor, explanations, or continued engagement after you've said no. Your analogy still doesn't work. Choosing to stop dating someone or to ghost someone you barely know is not equivalent to treating entire groups of people as presumptive threats. An organizatio… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 11:00 PM |
| 1 | I do not believe that dudes being dangerous/aggressive is an excuse for girls to lie to guys or lead them/manipulate them or not give them an explanation:It is remarkable how much you've done to avoid a very simple point. Your police example—which, incidentally, is a very strange choice given my flair and your decision to specifically use an LGBTQ organization, but we'll set that aside—has nothing to do with what people mean when they talk about emotional labor. Your example is about someone refusing to accept "no" and escalating the situation. The issue being discussed here is entirely different: expecting someone who has already told you "no," … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 09:50 PM |
| 6 | Effort Asymmetry. The Courtship System Women Perpetuate. Double standard in Being Transactional in a Transactional Amoral Market.This is a lot of writing for what is functionally a single sentence: "Women want free dinners." You're also ignoring the entire sociohistorical context of dating. Men paying for dates did not emerge in a vacuum. For most of history, women had limited economic independence, men were expected to pursue, and women were expected to select. Those norms didn't simply disappear overnight. You're also ignoring the amount of labor women put into dating. Beyond the obvious emotional labor—which, in my exp… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 09:43 PM |
| 1 | I do not believe that dudes being dangerous/aggressive is an excuse for girls to lie to guys or lead them/manipulate them or not give them an explanation:You're right, they are different. Calling the police on peaceful people because you don't want to say "no" is vastly more extreme than ghosting someone. Which is why it's insane that you think the former is acceptable but the latter isn't. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 09:39 PM |
| 1 | Can you explain what emasculation feels like? Or is?You just stopped reading there did you? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 08:43 PM |
| 6 | I do not believe that dudes being dangerous/aggressive is an excuse for girls to lie to guys or lead them/manipulate them or not give them an explanation:If your position is seriously that calling armed agents of the state to remove peaceful people from your property is analogous to a woman not giving a detailed explanation for rejecting a man, then we've left the realm of useful analogies. My argument is simple: people are owed basic respect and dignity. They are not owed explanations, emotional labor, or access to another person's private thoughts. "No" is sufficient. And yes, if you genuinely feel threatened by someone on your property, you ca… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 08:42 PM |
| 3 | Can you explain what emasculation feels like? Or is?I think we're using different definitions. I'm not saying every man who has felt emasculated is generally toxic. I'm saying that the mechanism by which emasculation occurs is rooted in toxic masculine norms. Healthy masculinity can't be taken away by someone else. A woman making more money than you, being stronger than you, being more successful than you, or doing something traditionally coded as masculine should not threaten your identity as a man. You only feel emasculated when you believe tha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 08:11 PM |
| 5 | I do not believe that dudes being dangerous/aggressive is an excuse for girls to lie to guys or lead them/manipulate them or not give them an explanation:You didn't read what I wrote. I explicitly said that people are owed basic respect and dignity. Being a decent human being means treating people respectfully. It does not mean that you're entitled to a detailed explanation for why someone doesn't want to date you, sleep with you, or continue a relationship with you. Your example about rejecting organizations asking for donations actually proves my point. You politely tell them no. You don't owe them a detailed justification for why you aren't do… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 08:09 PM |
| 1 | Can you explain what emasculation feels like? Or is?Its when their toxic view of masculinity is challenged because a woman did something they think only men should do. Its literally that shallow. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 07:18 PM |
| 11 | I do not believe that dudes being dangerous/aggressive is an excuse for girls to lie to guys or lead them/manipulate them or not give them an explanation:You're not owed an explanation. This is something a lot of men seem to struggle with: basic respect and dignity are things you're owed as a human being. Detailed explanations, emotional labor, closure, or access to someone's private thoughts are not. If someone says no, that's the end of the interaction. You're not entitled to a dissertation on why. You're not entitled to negotiate. You're not entitled to "closure." More broadly, once a relationship or potential relationship ends, your access to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 07:15 PM |
| 11 | I do not believe that dudes being dangerous/aggressive is an excuse for girls to lie to guys or lead them/manipulate them or not give them an explanation:Wow hold up thats way too complex and requires you to listen to women for the redpill. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 06:55 PM |
| 7 | I do not believe that dudes being dangerous/aggressive is an excuse for girls to lie to guys or lead them/manipulate them or not give them an explanation:This is an incredible amount of writing to avoid the obvious answer. Women often aren't completely honest about why they're rejecting men because women have to consider things that men usually don't: safety, social consequences, and the possibility that the guy won't handle rejection well. Women have a legitimate reason to be cautious. Some men respond to rejection with insults, harassment, stalking, threats, or violence. Women don't know ahead of time which man is going to accept "I'm not inter… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 06:53 PM |
| 11 | CMV: women find male sexuality disgustingConsidering I was a man and am biologically male try again. Male sexuality is neutral at base. What people dislike about mens sexuality is the tendency for it to be misogynistic and rapey. If someone has a problem with mens sexuality its fir a reason. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 06:25 PM |
| 15 | CMV: women find male sexuality disgustingTell me more about what I experience and think. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 05:41 PM |
| 8 | CMV: women find male sexuality disgustingI still think its funny these aggro RP'ers who continuously fail to find partners still listen to only each other and not what women and men who actually do have good stable romantic relationships. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 04:55 PM |
| 6 | CMV: women find male sexuality disgustingI definitely find intelligence arousing though I dont think I would use the term sapiosexual. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 04:48 PM |
| 11 | CMV: women find male sexuality disgustingThats editing, I treat these types of responses the same as a political debate in terms of voice. My personal writing is different and has more personal voice. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 04:45 PM |
| 9 | CMV: women find male sexuality disgustingI truly never understood this when I was presenting as a man. My wife gets angry at me (jokingly) that I will never say a person is ugly. I will see the parts of their body that are attractive. Physically as long as they are generally put together the overwhelming majority of people are average which is why its average. The thing that makes me sexually and/or romantically attracted is if we can have a conversation. There was a girl im high school I though was not my type, physically she wasn't "… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 01:48 PM |
| 34 | CMV: women find male sexuality disgustingThe weird part is that you're talking endlessly about what's supposedly happening inside women's minds while showing zero interest in what women actually say they think and feel. This isn't male sexuality. It's a market-value theory where you've reduced women to NPCs running a hidden algorithm. Women aren't sitting around trying to overcome a natural disgust response to average men. That's a story you've invented to explain reality instead of engaging with reality. The thing you're fundamentally… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 01:43 PM |
| 1 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenThe poisonous banana analogy doesn't support your argument. If someone accidentally picks a poisonous banana, the lesson isn't that they secretly prefer poisonous bananas. The lesson is that they made a decision with incomplete information. Likewise, a woman ending up with an abusive partner does not demonstrate that women are attracted to abuse. It demonstrates that human beings sometimes make mistakes, overlook warning signs, get manipulated, rationalize red flags, or learn important informati… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 08:46 PM |
| 2 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenIts a written story and his physical description is about one page across five books. Try again. In the real world, I see men who are dangerous, who aren't kind, who are disrespectful Abusive men exist. Nobody is denying that. What I am saying is that you generally aren't observing these men 24 hours a day. You see how they act around you, not necessarily how they act around friends, family, coworkers, or romantic partners. More importantly, "a bad man got a girlfriend" does not prove women don'… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 07:20 PM |
| 2 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenThat's not what I said Fox News was. The question was: "Where are men's issues being discussed?" Not: "Which news organization is the most trustworthy?" Fox News talks about men constantly. So do conservative politicians, podcasts, influencers, and commentators. Whether they're correct is a completely separate discussion. The question asked is where men's issues are being discussed. I answered. The policy side is the same thing. Nuclear Family Month and other attacks on Pride Month, bathroom bil… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 06:05 PM |
| 3 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenThe reason men doubt this is because there is such a thing as stated versus revealed preferences. After reading the rest of your response, honestly, I could have stopped there. One of my favorite men in romantasy is Charles Cornick from Alpha and Omega. Do you know what women constantly talk about when they talk about Charles? It's not that he's handsome, although he is. It's that he wants to protect people without needing them to be dependent on him. He makes the people around him more capable.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 05:57 PM |
| – | How does one really change their personality?THERAPY How can a group be so desperate to do anything to have sex continue to fail to do the one thing that is shown to help? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 10:10 AM |
| 0 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenYoure all types of special stupid. Why are you so afraid of growing up? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 01:10 AM |
| 3 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenNow tell me, where and when are we hearing about men’s struggles? Fox News and basically all current political policies at the federal level. Why do you think they want to pretend its possible to go back to when women where able to be beaten by their husbands. When I see stuff like this it just reads so white hetcis man. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 11:38 PM |
| 1 | If there is no obligations and nobody owes anyone anything. We should go fully, not picking and choosing. Men particularly, Need to simply be selfish and self serving, alot more.You support Jim Crow. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 11:33 PM |
| 5 | How would you feel about a "reverse orgasm gap*?Is this just an excuse to try to brag? This is also a really dumb question and hypothetical. Men's orgasms are physical not mental, thats why Viagra works and there is not equal for women. ED isnt men not having orgasms its a physical problem. Women not having orgasms is a a problem in itself partially because men dont do things like oral or fore/after play. Part is women not communicating (a problem caused by slut shaming, patriarchy) and there are more mental/hormonal factors too. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 09:45 PM |
| 34 | Men had their Enlightenment in the 17th and 18th centuries. Women’s may be about to comeJust because men have astroturfed history to cut women out doesn't mean women havent had these discussions or media. Also youre super white, not a single non white philosopher or thinker. No wonder you have no clue women have been doing this shit the same as men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 08:20 PM |
| 5 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenGET THERAPY 99.99999% of red pill shit is actually just solved with a good therapist. You may need to try a few before you find one that works but even that is too much. Its easier to try to create a fever dream version of the 1950s than talk about anything actually causing the issues. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 06:36 PM |
| 3 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenExcept your frustration is blaming women and saying they are wrong about what they say. Stop being stupid and recognize context, unless you 12 this shouldn't be difficult. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 06:32 PM |
| 71 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenThis is one of those debates where men accidentally prove the criticism. Nobody is saying women have perfect insight into male loneliness. Women obviously don't know what it's feels like to be an average man trying to date. That's fair. The problem is that a lot of men don't actually ask women for women's experiences. They ask women a question, get an answer, then immediately replace that answer with their own theory. "What do women find attractive?" Women: "Confidence, compatibility, humor, sha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 06:05 PM |
| 6 | CMV: Young women despise young men in the context of relationshipsNot women deserve actual partners. No fuck women having anything outside of child and elder care. What is with people (especially the right/rp) and wanting kids they never fucking take care of? Men should step up if they want to have a relationship. No reason to bring child and elder care into this. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 05:45 PM |
| 9 | CMV: Young women despise young men in the context of relationshipsNEUTRAL? MAGA the group most politically supported by young men treats women as fucking garbage cum rags. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 05:42 PM |
| 10 | CMV: Young women despise young men in the context of relationshipsMen are kinda shitty. I know how you act when there arent women around. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 05:41 PM |
| 14 | CMV: Young women despise young men in the context of relationshipsWomen as adults want men who are also adults full report at 11. Seriously this is a problem with the sub. As for values if you mean women dont want to date men that dont see them as worthy of equal rights again no fucking duh. Relationships not being the first priority is a misunderstanding of history. Women only had one choice it wasn't ever a first priority. Also men have never put relationships as first priority ever, it was an after thought and done mostly to have a maid, cook, and child car… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 05:37 PM |
| 2 | There are no free good menIts funny you ignore the comment and attack me. Again what is debatable about: people who make good partners find partners quickly? You must also believe there is a debate about the shape of earth? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 04:21 PM |
| 5 | There are no free good menYou are saying the equivalent of sky blue. Also its tagged as debate. You gave a description of reality. Yes people who are attractive (meaning they would make good partner's) find partners. Also you didnt say what you want to discuss. Is your next post earth is a sphere in the orbit around Sol? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 12:23 PM |
| 6 | There are no free good menWhat's the debate? People who are good find partners. Amazing revelation. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 12:04 PM |
| 1 | If there is no obligations and nobody owes anyone anything. We should go fully, not picking and choosing. Men particularly, Need to simply be selfish and self serving, alot more.Okay, imagine you own a lemonade stand. You are not allowed to put up a sign that says: "No Black people." That's because you're participating in society. You're selling things to the public. Now imagine someone says: "Okay, then Sally has to be my girlfriend." No. Sally doesn't have to be anybody's girlfriend. Because selling lemonade and choosing who you love are different things. One is participating in society. The other is personal. That's the distinction. The thought process btw you are us… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 10:51 AM |
| 1 | If there is no obligations and nobody owes anyone anything. We should go fully, not picking and choosing. Men particularly, Need to simply be selfish and self serving, alot more.Congratulations. You've once again responded to an argument nobody made. Nobody denied that institutions have rights. Nobody denied that business owners are people. Nobody denied that regulations can impose costs. The question was why you think a public economic institution should be governed by the same principles as a private romantic relationship. Notice how, after dozens of comments, you still haven't answered that question. Instead, you've spent the entire discussion arguing against positio… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 10:48 AM |
| 1 | If there is no obligations and nobody owes anyone anything. We should go fully, not picking and choosing. Men particularly, Need to simply be selfish and self serving, alot more.Because society has always distinguished between public participation and private intimacy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 02:37 AM |
| 1 | If there is no obligations and nobody owes anyone anything. We should go fully, not picking and choosing. Men particularly, Need to simply be selfish and self serving, alot more.You've reached the point where you're no longer answering objections. You're simply restating your original position in different words and acting as though the objections were never made. Whether that's because you can't follow the distinction or because you're deliberately avoiding it, the result is the same: the discussion can't move forward. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 02:34 AM |
| 1 | If there is no obligations and nobody owes anyone anything. We should go fully, not picking and choosing. Men particularly, Need to simply be selfish and self serving, alot more.Okay, let's try this one more time. When a company hires someone, that is an economic institution participating in public life. When a woman decides who she wants to date, that is a personal relationship. These are different things. I know you keep saying they're both choices. Nobody is confused about that. The issue is that not all choices are governed by the same rules. A teacher grading a test is a choice. A judge issuing a sentence is a choice. A voter picking a candidate is a choice. A pers… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 11:09 PM |
| 1 | If there is no obligations and nobody owes anyone anything. We should go fully, not picking and choosing. Men particularly, Need to simply be selfish and self serving, alot more.No, what you've done is completely ignore the actual objection and repeat the same argument for the fifth time. The entire point is that employment, housing, and civil rights exist because people need access to economic and public life regardless of whether somebody personally likes them. Dating is the exact opposite. It is a domain of personal autonomy where people are allowed to be selective, irrational, biased, and exclusionary. I've explained that distinction repeatedly. Other people have ex… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 06:53 PM |
| – | If there is no obligations and nobody owes anyone anything. We should go fully, not picking and choosing. Men particularly, Need to simply be selfish and self serving, alot more.It's genuinely insane that you seem to have no understanding of how rights, laws, or society actually work. Anti-discrimination laws in employment, housing, and public accommodations do not violate people's freedom. Unless you're prepared to defend Jim Crow, racial exclusion, and treating entire groups of people as second-class citizens, this isn't a difficult concept. You keep trying to compare institutional discrimination to individual dating choices, which are obviously and fundamentally diff… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 05:16 PM |
| 2 | If there is no obligations and nobody owes anyone anything. We should go fully, not picking and choosing. Men particularly, Need to simply be selfish and self serving, alot more.They also don't understand the difference between employment and personal interactions. They are either bad faith or a moron. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 05:07 PM |
| 1 | If there is no obligations and nobody owes anyone anything. We should go fully, not picking and choosing. Men particularly, Need to simply be selfish and self serving, alot more.Not selective on who we help selective on where and how. Advocating women shouldn't be raped actually important, helping shitty men who refuse to use tools that are proven to help not worth engaging. We advocate for helping men just not adult men, we want mental health and emotional intelligence traning for boys. Go fight with conservatives and rp who think that is cuck behavior. This isnt on feminism or women, all these men need to do is GO TO THERAPY and HAVE BASIC LEVELS OF ADULT ABLITY (basi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 05:07 PM |
| – | If there is no obligations and nobody owes anyone anything. We should go fully, not picking and choosing. Men particularly, Need to simply be selfish and self serving, alot more.Why do you keep using employment which is fundamentally different from dating? I really dont want to think youre dumb but that leaves bad faith. Why dont you help me out here, explain why dating and employment are the same thing. Do you want Jim Crow laws back too? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 05:02 PM |
| 0 | If there is no obligations and nobody owes anyone anything. We should go fully, not picking and choosing. Men particularly, Need to simply be selfish and self serving, alot more.Even if we accept every premise you've offered—that women prefer charisma and status (they dont), that neurodivergent men face unique dating challenges (sure but irrelevant as therapy exists regardless of your understanding of it), and that loneliness is causing genuine suffering (vagnia is not community or companionship) —that still doesn't establish oppression. Oppression requires someone being denied rights, opportunities, or equal treatment. Nobody is entitled to another person's attraction,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 04:02 AM |
| 1 | If there is no obligations and nobody owes anyone anything. We should go fully, not picking and choosing. Men particularly, Need to simply be selfish and self serving, alot more.Real question do you know what systemic issue means or do you think black people where just imagining things like Jim crow? rights or discrimination anymore than a man is owed a date. You are genuinely mentally ill. You are why women feel scared around men. Ill make this really simple: RIGHTS ARE NOT GIVEN OR OWED THEY EXIST IN A LIBERAL DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY. Its fucking disgusting and disturbing you think these are remotely similar in any way. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 12:15 AM |
| 2 | If there is no obligations and nobody owes anyone anything. We should go fully, not picking and choosing. Men particularly, Need to simply be selfish and self serving, alot more.the quota of the gender and ethnicity of the people employed by a company was also something personal. Im guessing you are white because generally only white people dont understand the systemic reasons behind affirmative action. Simplistic explanation is white people unconsciously (like everyone but white people are the ones who have institutional footing) choose other white people. When the number of management and upper levels are equally filled with minorities then it would be reasonable to s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 12:03 AM |
| 15 | If there is no obligations and nobody owes anyone anything. We should go fully, not picking and choosing. Men particularly, Need to simply be selfish and self serving, alot more.You're confusing systemic obligations with personal choices. Nobody owes anyone a date, relationship, attraction, or sex. That's an individual decision. Women's safety, voting rights, discrimination, and similar issues aren't discussed because women are owed personal affection. They're discussed because they involve systemic harms affecting millions of people regardless of who they date. A woman rejecting a man is not equivalent to discrimination, violence, or unequal treatment under institution… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/26 07:00 PM |
| 2 | Women couldn’t even begin to understand what real loneliness isYou can take that view but personally I wont use biological terms when discussing sociology categories and behaviors. None of these things are biology they are social constructions which are correlated with overlap but still very different. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/26 05:25 PM |
| 3 | Women couldn’t even begin to understand what real loneliness isLets not use males, transmen tend to describe a unique loneliness. Women and gay men create platonic relationships with multiple people, create small local community. Men (again not males) tend to hard focus on having one support structure. Even i personally have a little problem with this. Mostly because my self worth, people pleasing, and generally desire to not impose means if no one tries actively including me I will stay away. Part of that is a life time of being the singular minority in ma… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/26 03:22 PM |
| 3 | Women couldn’t even begin to understand what real loneliness isWomen tend to have friends so yes not as high rates of self reported loneliness. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/26 11:16 AM |
| 0 | A lot of men are constantly contradicting themselves when they shame a woman for doing OF or being a porn starIts a venn diagram that is almost a full overlap | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/26 06:50 PM |
| 1 | A lot of men are constantly contradicting themselves when they shame a woman for doing OF or being a porn starSeparate issues. Of/porn sex workers have a lot of dating issues unfairly because we dont understand what work is. Sex WORK is the exact same as construction at its lowest levels and a highly skilled artist therapist. Sex work should be seen at the level they operate at. The other side is the guys you are talking about. Ive talked about this before but these guys are highly insecure and want to have a relationship with extremely inexperienced girls. They at the same time they want that inexperie… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/26 06:49 PM |
| -2 | Men have to approach.Or you can find a social group where a relationship can grow. Also unless you are an orphan with zero relatives you have people who can help you. The same group that fucking loves jerking off to traditional families you all seem to forget that exists. The people have been fucking and creating relationships before bars existed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 12:03 PM |
| -1 | Red Pill men trust their self-motivated inccorrect observations of women more than women's own explanations.Maybe if you dealt with the points or generally read the post you would understand why your "observations" are self motivated ego protection. The advice you keep getting is horrible because you dont understand what women are telling you. Its not that women are biologically different they are just better trained at active listening. They also have experience almost no cis het (especially white) men will ever have, unless you want to say how you bottomed with another guy? Perhaps your observations… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/06/26 06:11 PM |
| -6 | Red Pill men trust their self-motivated inccorrect observations of women more than women's own explanations.This is where therapy comes in. You physically hearing words isnt listening. When you talk it does more than communicate dictionary definitions (which are malleable anyway) its to convey an idea. You take those definitions and other non verbal or context ques to create meaning. This is stuff almost all women who grow up in the usa and generally at or above lower middle class get traning in socially because its considered a feminine trait (this is what they mean when they say patriarchy hurts men… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/06/26 05:25 PM |
| -8 | Red Pill men trust their self-motivated inccorrect observations of women more than women's own explanations.How gender affirming, but I presented as a man for the time period I am discussing. Meaning before I was out. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/06/26 04:07 PM |
| -7 | Red Pill men trust their self-motivated inccorrect observations of women more than women's own explanations.You can absolutely listen "wrong". When you listen to respond or justify before listening to understand. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/06/26 04:05 PM |
| 2 | Red Pill men trust their self-motivated inccorrect observations of women more than women's own explanations.Which points? If you expect a doctoral level explanation thats not happening. I responded but if you have something specific I can expand. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/06/26 03:10 PM |
| 0 | Red Pill men trust their self-motivated inccorrect observations of women more than women's own explanations.You want a one sentence answer to a thing you need traning in. This is what therapy helps with. Instead of trying to learn these online from strangers go to therapy and say youre having communication issues. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/06/26 02:19 PM |
| -1 | Red Pill men trust their self-motivated inccorrect observations of women more than women's own explanations.when I say listening to what women say to the letter does not result in a relationship or any favorable dynamic with them. Thats not what listening means. It takes being a shooting star and so far above to the point where you are unattainable that women respect you and I'm sorry but it's true. This is some self delusion bullshit. Doing what they ask you to does not work. I think they are worth listening to and I don't think they lie when they say what they want, but something is definitely missi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/06/26 12:53 PM |
| 3 | Red Pill men trust their self-motivated inccorrect observations of women more than women's own explanations.Then dont respond to every comment | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/06/26 12:43 PM |
| -2 | Red Pill men trust their self-motivated inccorrect observations of women more than women's own explanations.Its such a self report they need to trick women. Fishing like they are talking about is about hiding the hook and tricking the fish. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/06/26 12:42 PM |
| -10 | Red Pill men trust their self-motivated inccorrect observations of women more than women's own explanations.If you do a peice of advice generalized for thousands of experiences and it happens to not be right in your exact situation then do the thing you think works and it seemed to work what do you trust? That is the question you seem to be asking. Dont touch the burner on a stove. I touched a burner and it was fine. I guess I shouldn't trust what im told. We could get into the exact circumstance here but like many flat earth experiments to explain the why they are right im sure well see the flaw in y… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/06/26 12:37 PM |
| 7 | Most men don't understand what rape is because they think of women as less.I think the disconnect is a lot more mundane than "men think women are less than people." Most men have never had sex from a position where they could realistically be overpowered. A man who has only had sex with women has never had to ask himself, "What if this person ignores my no and I physically can't stop them?" That's a completely different risk calculation. They also don't understand the social consequences women navigate around sex. Women get judged for saying yes, judged for saying no, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/06/26 12:05 PM |
| 8 | Women have little intent.Why are you surprised the rp doesn't see you as a human with agency? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/26 06:58 PM |
| 5 | Women have little intent.Women plan plenty, ive been in enough groups of women to hear the planning from weddings, partner preferences, lifestyles and more. They do it with a lot of intentionality than any man. Part is that women get told from a young age how important marriage is and will be in their future (sometimes told its the only thing they should expect rp and Christian nationalists). Just like an expert in a field can vibe the answer its actually a ton of previous work. As for the two examples thoes have nothin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/26 06:41 PM |
| 12 | Hypergamy is serious topic that woke and bluepilled people uncomfortable and they are unwilling to take seriously, analyze, and discuss the issue.This is exactly the kind of thinking that makes red-pill discussions so detached from reality. You're taking the completely ordinary observation that people like desirable traits and treating it as proof of hypergamy. The problem is that actual humans don't select partners from the entire population. They select from the people they meet. People overwhelmingly meet partners through school, work, hobbies, friends, neighborhoods, religious communities, and social circles. That means people tend to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/26 12:59 PM |
| 0 | Most Lesbian or Bisexual women do NOT have more game than straight men. It is simply easier as a girl to date.You just showed you cant read. I explained why you have trouble thoes reasons are NOT THE SAME as the reasons lesbians have for their dating issues. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/26 12:54 PM |
| – | Ladies, how do you justify shaming men for watching porn, while at the same time labeling men who don't want their girlfriends to watch porn as insecure?I didnt dispute enjoyment just affect | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/26 12:52 PM |
| 3 | Let's say your a stay at home partnerI am the one who works a job that is paid by a company and ever cent i make is ours. My wife works just as hard taking care of things (I do chores too still). She is entitled to that income. I would never demean my partner with something as patronizing as an "allowance". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/26 06:12 PM |
| 7 | Do young women have their sexual partners vetted by family members in 2026?You're arguing against a position I didn't take. I said agency comes from the ability to make your own choices, not from sleeping with lots of people. Those are completely different claims. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/26 04:34 PM |
| 2 | When feminist women deny blatant redpill truths, like being a nice person alone won’t get you laid. It really pulls into question the integrity of what ALL women say. As if women are prepared to lie just to uphold their ideological beliefs.They dont like the advice being just the start. Op cant do long term multiple step plans. It needs to be one thing. That is why these people fall for the red pill. Its the same group that falls for MLM's. They are a very low critical thought group. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/26 04:22 PM |
| 1 | When feminist women deny blatant redpill truths, like being a nice person alone won’t get you laid. It really pulls into question the integrity of what ALL women say. As if women are prepared to lie just to uphold their ideological beliefs.I dont know what feminism says I just yell talking points with zero critical engagement. Go ahead edit you comment to be more accurate. You can copy paste the example given above. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/26 04:20 PM |
| 1 | When feminist women deny blatant redpill truths, like being a nice person alone won’t get you laid. It really pulls into question the integrity of what ALL women say. As if women are prepared to lie just to uphold their ideological beliefs.What's the possibility here that all men and women except the sliver of pathetic men who refuse to grow the fuck up and work on their emotional and mental health are wrong or the overwhelming majority of people who find and maintain healthy satisfying relationships are wrong. For a group that talks so much about manning up and accountability you lot cant seem to manage doing it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/26 04:17 PM |
| 16 | Men dating younger women may be the only option left.At some point we need to point out they want to date children. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/26 04:07 PM |
| 9 | Men dating younger women may be the only option left.Stop lying you all have wanted to date "young women" since the start. You hate adult women, anyone with any actual agency or ability to tell how pathetic you are is the problem. So you want to date what children? Your side did elect child rapist so that tracks. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/26 04:06 PM |
| -1 | Most Lesbian or Bisexual women do NOT have more game than straight men. It is simply easier as a girl to date.Hahaha holy fuck talk about not knowing a subculture. Have you listened to the problems with lesbian dating? As for what is easier, yes conversation is generally going to be easier when you have similar leaning. Thats not gendered, gay men and straight women get along. Really butch and masc lesbian/hete women get along well with cishet men too. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/26 03:38 PM |
| 5 | Do young women have their sexual partners vetted by family members in 2026?Family will know the type of partner you want in terms of morals and goals, things like personality, but dear fuck I dont want my family knowing about my sex life, and if I have a daughter while I will always be open to answer questions, especially teach them safe sex practices. I will teach sex positivity and encourage them to explore to their own level of comfort. I do not want to blend those dynamics. When a child is maybe 40 and so fully differentiate would it be even possible to have more d… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/26 03:24 PM |
| 2 | Ladies, how do you justify shaming men for watching porn, while at the same time labeling men who don't want their girlfriends to watch porn as insecure?Maybe a trigger warning for normal criticism | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/26 01:02 PM |
| -1 | Ladies, how do you justify shaming men for watching porn, while at the same time labeling men who don't want their girlfriends to watch porn as insecure?Yes but more evidence says even with that women use porn (even aggressive porn) is used in more responsible ways for sexual wellbeing not just to get off. Men have worse outcome related to porn. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/26 01:01 PM |
| 0 | Ladies, how do you justify shaming men for watching porn, while at the same time labeling men who don't want their girlfriends to watch porn as insecure?Intersectionalisim if people would learn what the actual things are, would help you understand this. Porn men generally watch is dehumanizing and objectifying. It often also means they do fucked up shit like choke women or something. Its also a problem that men tend to use porn in unhealthy ways. Women on the other hand for some fucking reason still get shamed for being sexual beings. Also when women watch porn its generally closer to how actual humans have sex and generally not as harmful. Now … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/26 12:07 PM |
| 3 | Red Pill Men Don't Want Traditional Wives. They Want Adult Children Who Can Also Be Their Mommy.Im sure the psychology issues you have are diagnosable by a psy 101 class | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/26 07:15 PM |
| 4 | Red Pill Men Don't Want Traditional Wives. They Want Adult Children Who Can Also Be Their Mommy.Why would women and men have different topics? Different subject matter but not different topics. Do you think women are not people? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/26 06:06 PM |
| 3 | Red Pill Men Don't Want Traditional Wives. They Want Adult Children Who Can Also Be Their Mommy.These people should just be mocked into whatever basement they have been in. Since the rapist in chief these "low value" men think they can go back to the 1950 when you could hit your wife. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/26 05:52 PM |
| 3 | Red Pill Men Don't Want Traditional Wives. They Want Adult Children Who Can Also Be Their Mommy.This is such a self report. Yes you look weak and pathetic women as you cant handle one that is as good or superior to them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/26 05:50 PM |
| 6 | Red Pill Men Don't Want Traditional Wives. They Want Adult Children Who Can Also Be Their Mommy.You're arguing against something much broader than what I said. Of course partners support each other emotionally. Of course spouses help each other through difficult experiences. Of course people grow and heal together. That's not what I was talking about. There's a difference between "my partner helps me through my struggles" and "I'm seeking a partner to provide the validation, innocence, admiration, nurturing, or emotional regulation that I never developed elsewhere." The first is a normal a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/26 05:00 PM |
| 4 | Red Pill Men Don't Want Traditional Wives. They Want Adult Children Who Can Also Be Their Mommy.The reason I'm not accepting your answer is because you never answered the argument I made. My claim was: "Many Red Pill discussions treat female experience, independence, self-knowledge, confidence, boundaries, and sexual experience as liabilities." Your response was: "Here's a combative woman." "Here's a woman making bad decisions." "Here's a single mother." Those are completely different claims. A woman being combative does not prove experience is bad. A woman making poor decisions does not p… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/26 04:57 PM |
| 9 | Red Pill Men Don't Want Traditional Wives. They Want Adult Children Who Can Also Be Their Mommy."Red Pill is just seeing reality for what it is" is such a meaningless definition. Everyone thinks they're seeing reality for what it is. The question is what specific claims you're making about reality. If Red Pill is nothing more than "observing reality," then there wouldn't be entire communities, influencers, books, podcasts, talking points, terminology, and recurring beliefs associated with it. At that point you're basically saying: "Red Pill isn't an ideology. It just happens to be a group … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/26 03:32 PM |
| 4 | Red Pill Men Don't Want Traditional Wives. They Want Adult Children Who Can Also Be Their Mommy.Please reread the post. I never said there was anything wrong with women being traditional, homemakers, wives, or mothers. I was talking about what Red Pill men say they want in women. Being X and wanting X are not the same thing. The fact that some women voluntarily choose a traditional life does not explain why so many Red Pill discussions treat experience, confidence, self-knowledge, boundaries, and independence as negatives. You're defending women being traditional. I'm criticizing men prefe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/26 03:30 PM |
| 5 | Red Pill Men Don't Want Traditional Wives. They Want Adult Children Who Can Also Be Their Mommy.I think this is one of the more thoughtful replies in the thread, but it raises a different concern for me. If the explanation is that these men are seeking innocence because they feel judged, rejected, compared, insecure, or wounded, then we're no longer talking about virtue. We're talking about unmet emotional needs. And that's where I get stuck. A romantic partner is not supposed to be a replacement parent. They're not supposed to heal your childhood. They're not supposed to erase your insecu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/26 03:25 PM |
| 5 | Red Pill Men Don't Want Traditional Wives. They Want Adult Children Who Can Also Be Their Mommy.You're still doing the thing I pointed out in my previous comment. My post wasn't about whether a Red Pill man could theoretically date a career woman. It wasn't about whether some women are combative. It wasn't about whether men and women are different. And it wasn't about whether tradwives exist. It was about why so many Red Pill discussions treat female experience, self-knowledge, independence, boundaries, confidence, and sexual experience as liabilities rather than strengths. You responded w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/26 03:15 PM |
| 8 | Red Pill Men Don't Want Traditional Wives. They Want Adult Children Who Can Also Be Their Mommy.At this point you're basically agreeing with my post. I've spent this entire thread saying that many Red Pill discussions treat female experience as a liability. Your response is: «"Experience in relationships is baggage for women. It's that simple."» Okay. Then we're done. That's literally the argument. You started by saying you didn't see the contradiction. Now you've arrived at: «Women having relationship experience is bad.» The obvious follow-up question is: what exactly are women learning f… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/26 03:07 PM |
| 2 | Red Pill Men Don't Want Traditional Wives. They Want Adult Children Who Can Also Be Their Mommy.the ai bot ignoring reality Is your problem editing or coherent sentences? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/26 03:01 PM |
| 11 | Red Pill Men Don't Want Traditional Wives. They Want Adult Children Who Can Also Be Their Mommy.The thing I find interesting is that you keep saying "inexperience" as though it's automatically a virtue. But inexperience isn't a trait. It's an absence. If someone is inexperienced in relationships, they're less likely to recognize unhealthy relationship dynamics. If someone is inexperienced sexually, they're less likely to know what they want, what they don't want, what's normal, what's abnormal, what's satisfying, and what's not. If someone is inexperienced in life, they're less likely to h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/26 01:51 PM |
| 5 | Red Pill Men Don't Want Traditional Wives. They Want Adult Children Who Can Also Be Their Mommy.I think you're responding to a different argument than the one I made. My post wasn't an attack on traditional wives, traditional marriages, or women who voluntarily choose those roles. Nothing in my post claimed that a woman can't freely choose to be a homemaker, mother, or primary caregiver. The question was about why so many Red Pill discussions treat female experience, independence, self-knowledge, boundaries, and sexual experience as negatives. Saying that you're happy in a traditional arra… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/26 01:45 PM |
| 3 | Red Pill Men Don't Want Traditional Wives. They Want Adult Children Who Can Also Be Their Mommy.This is genuinely impressive. I asked a question about Red Pill preferences and somehow got: Feminism is a cult Men are only loved conditionally Women are loved unconditionally Puppies Emotional men Feminists hate emotional men Red Pill isn't an ideology all before you addressed the actual argument. That's almost a speedrun. My post wasn't: «"Innocence = child."» My post was: «Why do so many Red Pill discussions treat female experience, independence, self-knowledge, boundaries, and sexual experi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/26 01:42 PM |
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