This is why we say all men.

abaxeron · 2026-08-04T18:32:03+00:00

"If you look at this group of men who identify themselves as rape victims raped by women you’ll find that their shame is not similar to women, their level of injury is not similar to women and their penetration experience is not similar to what women are reporting."

Doctor Mary Koss, current Regents' Professor of Public Health at The University of Arizona, the original author of "1 in 4 women", explaining that a woman fucking a man against his will and without his consent is not rape, actually.

A woman can believe this and still become THE HIGHEST-RANKED UNIVERSITY PROFESSOR OF PUBLIC HEALTH, and this is why we say all women.

OR, hear me out, schizo rant time: we can all put on our grown-up pants, stop getting wound up over some TV nonsense, understand that actually both sexes can have varying and overlapping levels of what they see as acceptable, and what claims, rumors, or allegations they are skeptical of; if we're really in the mood, we can even learn the grown up words of "confidence level", "odds ratio", and "effect size".

How many women EVER contacted their local representatives and asked to abolish the gender clause of Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 because it's "all men"? Still zero or so? And we're here still waiting until they put their... well, mouth where their mouth is? If it's "all men", leave them alone. At least try. If you don't, you are a hypocrite.

Whiskeymyers75 · 2026-08-04T15:09:38+00:00

This is exactly why people push back on phrases like “all men.” You spend the entire post acknowledging that not every man endorses rape culture, then title it “This is why we say all men.” Those two ideas contradict each other.

If Jesse Watters made a bad joke, criticize Jesse Watters. If people defended it, criticize those people. But it’s not logically sound to take the actions or comments of a subset of men and use them to justify generalizations about half the population.

You also cite examples of influential men, media personalities, and politicians. Those examples don’t establish that ordinary men tolerate or endorse sexual violence. They establish that some public figures made comments you disagree with.

Finally, due process and skepticism toward allegations aren’t unique to accusations made by women. People often want evidence before reaching conclusions regardless of who is accused. Supporting an investigation isn’t the same thing as dismissing an accuser.

sackfistin · 2026-08-04T13:19:44+00:00

How do you expect me to call out Jesse Watters whenever he says something fucking stupid, by shouting at my tv or bashing the screen? What’s the best way to virtue signal this?

Worldly_Resource4894 · 2026-08-04T14:53:12+00:00

Yep.

This is why I no longer care.

I've hated men like watters for years and I still get lumped in.

Is what it is, there is no point in men calling it out since we're all always guilty anyway.

Damn_thats_tufff · 2026-08-04T15:06:14+00:00

One bad man represents all men but one bad woman only represents herself.

It’s strange how y’all pick n choose when to enforce this argument.

Main-Tiger8537 · 2026-08-04T14:58:57+00:00

That's why women talk about rape culture.

abuse of statistics, studies, surveys, rethoric/semantics and facts

institutional/systemic toxic behavior/sexism and the communication about it

It's the way those comments are tolerated, laughed at, minimized, or simply allowed to pass without consequences.

if murder of women "femicide label" and sexual assault against women is considered as misogyny why is murder of men "androcide label" and sexual assault against men not considered as misandry?

why is patriarchy/conservatism considered as misogyny and hatred towards men as internalized misogyny?

could we please start with at which point toxic behavior is misogyny or misandry and why it seems like there is a double standard?

same story for equality + equity and statistical parity...

most conversations about such topics evolve into victim olympics or oppression scorekeeping and end in zero sum games... all examples you listed could be said about violence or sexism men experience but since women count apparently as the vulnerable group/class the focus is 24/7 on womens issues instead of tackling the topic in a gender neutral way... btw if you spread misinformation or alter definitions to support narratives/agendas "like men are patriarchal predators" or ignore that in this case watters got called out because you insist on direct public shaming you deserve critic and getting called out no matter your gender or sex...

Why are contexts with men being put down for femininity considered "misogyny" but the inverse isn't "misandry"? (askfeminists)

where does misandry start? "askwomennocensor"

where does misandry start? "purplepilldebate"

just ask yourself if you would call any of that misogyny if a man did write or say exactly the same things talking about his experiences with women...

lesubia study about sexual violence

just for risk evaluation ->

2023 in the us... (source fbi)

-one out of 2358 people got raped/made to penetrate (127216 total = 0,04%)

-one out of 13404 people got murdered (22830 total = 0,008%)

as reference point -> that many people died 2023 at home by accident "125700" or in a car crash "40901"

data for the us from 2023:

13789 male victims of murder

3849 female victims of murder

(yes i know the roughly 14k men and 2k women perpetrators part)

roughly 49k suicides per year in the us

5,283 fatal work injuries were recorded in the United States in 2023

Gold_Sheepherder6569 · 2026-08-04T13:24:33+00:00

An equal number of men and women were on the panel as bystanders, is it also all women since didn't they call him out? Even then what should I as a man who only saw that clip because you brought it up do?

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Zoya_The_Destroyah · 2026-08-04T13:14:13+00:00

I agree with most of the body of your post. Things like this should be called out by the people there in the moment. Comments that seek to normalize sexual assault or rape should be met with some kind of criticism 100%.

What I don’t get is why there is such a strong desire to use the terminology “all men” to summarize sentiments like this when you acknowledge that it obviously isn’t every single man.

Saying “it’s all men” is never going to bring forward any kind of change when it makes half of the people who need to hear your message stop listening immediately.

I cannot speak for all men, but I know there are a lot of us who have no issue with women discussing rape culture or problematic male behavior but are tired of hearing it’s “all men”. Yes before you say it, I am sure women are more tired of what is happening to them.

Outrageous-Floor-424 · 2026-08-04T15:03:33+00:00

When those comments are treated as harmless jokes instead of unacceptable, they contribute to a culture that minimizes women's concerns.

You keep saying that and there's no godly reason to believe it to be so.

Cristiano Ronaldo didn't rape a woman because some male losers that women mock made some jokes about rape.

My childhood friend who slept with tons of women and raped several of them, didn't do so because of jokes made my low status men that women abhor.

Low status men, which is mainly defined by women, do not decide what high status men do.

Instead, what happens is that a large amount of women go for a small amount of men.

Let's say 100 men and 100 women exist together. All of the women decide they each want one or several of these men. 80 of them, when you combine their interests, are only interested in 20 of the men.

Let's say 90% of men are chill. That means of the 80 women, 18 gets a boyfriend. Good for them.

The other 62 women are left with the two men who a) exist in the category of inspiring female desire and b) have now been preselected for not being chill.

And so those guys, who are enormously high status courtesy of women electing for them to be so, get to go around mistreating a lot of women.

Women then turn around and blame the men who they are not sleeping with for creating a culture that promotes rape

No. When large amounts of women select for a smaller amount of men, one of the results will inevitably be that women are raped at for higher rates than men rape.

And that's not because I laughed at that joke at Family Guy that on time

DankuTwo · 2026-08-04T16:19:14+00:00

Is there a debate here, or just an unhinged, vaguely political screed?

No_Mammoth8801 · 2026-08-04T16:32:49+00:00

Color me surprised that a guy who cheats on his pregnant wife and abandons his family also has some vile opinions about gender.

chriszenpaok · 2026-08-04T13:21:00+00:00

I’m personally responsible for every wrong thing a man on this planet does but if a woman does anything it’s ‘women aren’t a monolith’ and ‘it’s just a joke’ #ok

TallFoundation7635 · 2026-08-04T13:18:07+00:00

So let me get this straight, you took comments from a fox news segment, literally the worst of the worst source of information that you can find and decided that most men excuse rape and sexual assault.

The same Fox News that claimed that poor people aren't poor because they have refrigerators.

Consume better media lmfao.

Tharkun140 · 2026-08-04T13:25:16+00:00

So your reason for condemning all men is that a host at Fox News, the bottom of the barrel when it comes to conservative bias, made an edgy joke and the other speakers (only two of whom were men) didn't instantly stop doing their job to confront him?

There are movies that treat men being sexually assaulted as a joke, or have a female hero love-drug men without ever being portrayed as wrong. They are written, produced and screened without anyone "immediately stopping the conversation" out of moral outrage. By your logic, does that mean all women are bad and fans of rape culture?

sincerityappreciator · 2026-08-04T16:47:31+00:00

shouldn't you as a trans woman have the self awareness to not spout bio essentialist feminist misandry? newsflash: they dont see you as one of them either. youre being voted out of their spaces thanks to the very rhetoric you support.

SimilarChampionship2 · 2026-08-04T16:25:50+00:00

There’s contradiction between the title and the post. I agree that majority of men don’t call out other men. They laugh along or stay quiet, then call themselves the nice guys because they haven’t made a rape joke. They haven’t coerced a woman into sex. Yet they don’t call out their friends, don’t cut them off. So yeah these type of men are a part of the problem. Rape is a horrible, violating experience. I don’t understand how anyone could think it’s funny.

I disagree with the “all men” premise. Men who call other men out do exist. Maybe not in big numbers, but they’re there and I’m glad they are. Saying “all men” is not doing us any favours. How do we expect men to listen to us when we lump them all together.

efficientaficionado · 2026-08-06T17:05:43+00:00

You're willing to judge all men based on one take from, of all people, a Fox News pundit? Riiiiiiight...

Healthy-Pay-3351 · 2026-08-04T13:47:42+00:00

And this is why we don’t take you seriously

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secret-poster67 · 2026-08-07T05:08:10+00:00

i think you just wanna assign collective guilt and are trying to big brain your way into a means by which you can without the obvious part of your mind telling you that collective guilt assigned merely by association is just plain fckin wrong.

what is even the point of this post if you keep reiterating that obviously its not all men, obviously it's not all of them, obviously i don't mean all of them .....

if that is the case, then the post is pointless.

also this whole post is so rich given right now with everything that's goin on with the lindsay clancy case and just how many women simply put are so much more interested in just shift moral denegration away from the literal fucking murderer who actually murdered the kids and onto the husband from somehow not bein the all powerful deterrent that was supposed to stop this from happening. literally so many women who quite blatantly don't care how vile of an act another woman commits cuz somehow some way there is always a reason that therefore makes the women who committed such an act sympathetic enough, empathetic enough, understandable enough.

Beneficial_Cow_1817 · 2026-08-04T14:44:33+00:00

Society refuses to acknowledge the true scale of men who have:

a) sexually assaulted a woman (yes, coercion or pressuring a woman for sex until she "gives in" is rape)

b) sexually assaulted a child or are pedophiles (men don't be pissy, many of you have done this or are pedophiles, stats don't lie)

c) protected another man who sexually assaulted a woman or child (via lies, threats, bullying, harassment, intimidation towards the victim(s))

It's a lot of them, so they'll naturally bring these behaviours and narratives around other men in an attempt to groom or recruit others (predators like to stick together for protection). Older men especially do this to younger men. They will show porn/nudes to other men unprovoked, talk about misogynistic or sexual things around them constantly, openly degrade women in public around them in attempt to groom other men into thinking their sexual deviancy is normal or just male nature.

People need to be aware that if they see men making jokes about sexual assault or abusing children, those are confessions or desires, not jokes. It's how men test the waters. And the men who laugh or say nothing are exactly same as the guy making the jokes. A healthy person reacts with disgust, not with laughter or submission.

Rape culture is so prevalent in male spaces that if you took 300 men and locked them in a room, you can literally see how they will organize themselves into some nasty degenerate social hierarchy, with the smaller, weaker, or more feminine men with less social power being forced into doing sexual acts for the men who have more social power and resources.

Men will continue to not call out their friends for making rape jokes or anything of the sort because even though they are not the one's making them, they overall benefit from other men subjecting women (and children) to sexual violence as it makes them more vulnerable and accessible for THEM.

Apprehensive_Emu2457 · 2026-08-07T04:51:40+00:00

Just like how you people say women aren't a monolith for doing something bad, men aren't either.

secret-poster67 · 2026-08-07T04:59:37+00:00

🫩 ...... the conversation is literally being dragged around like a dead horse. we get it. the phrase is to be taken as an obviously exaggerated hyperbolic statement meant to invoke the perceived reality of a prolific widespread issue. we can honestly just leave it at all. the semantic rigamarole over this phrase has really gotten old and stale.

ClevelandSpigot · 2026-08-04T15:22:35+00:00

Naw. This is completely incorrect, because Jesse Watters was telling a joke that is based on an erroneous stereotype about men and testosterone. There have been many studies in the past few decades about testosterone, and its effect on women - in reference to hormone therapy, and sometimes concerning menopause - with some extremely surprising results.

In the double-blind studies using testosterone and a placebo, the women who were on testosterone often did not believe that they were receiving testosterone, because they recorded as being calmer and more mentally focused. Meanwhile, the women on the placebo started acting more aggressive, and with a higher sex drive.

If this interests you, go here, and search for the word "placebo".

preferablyno · 2026-08-04T17:02:13+00:00

If someone reads rape into that comment, it’s on them , I mean I guess it’s there if you really shoehorn it in, but if a guy says “look out ladies, I’m hitting the town tonight” he isn’t saying he’s going out to RAPE wtf

NotAllTheCake · 2026-08-04T13:43:43+00:00

that increasing testosterone in soldiers means women on military bases and women abroad should "be careful

In Afghanistan, women comprised of 30% of rape victims, while men comprised of 1%, in the military. More testosterone use may lead to more incidences of sexual assault.

the first instinct is often to question the woman, speculate about her motives, or dismiss the allegations as "just accusations"

Rape is the only crime on Earth where the victim is put on trial.

That's why women talk about rape culture. It's not because every man is a rapist. It's because too many people are willing to excuse, normalize, or laugh along with rhetoric that treats sexual violence as entertainment

Men perpetuate rape culture because men are mainly the perpetrators and men only have their own self-centered interests in mind, which is to protect and enable other men.

Since women seem to be sexually assaulted quite often, due to men's sexual attraction to women and men aren't interested in lowering the number of assaults due to their interest in perpetuating rape culture, the only way to reduce the rate of sexual assault is to compel female servicepeople to also take testosterone to reduce their secondary sex characteristics and make them unattractive to men.

Their voices become deeper, they grow body hair and beards, their clitoris gets bigger and they get male pattern baldness and thinning. They should be encouraged to work out hard, build muscle and effectively become men. Once their service obligation is up, they should be provided hormone therapy to revert back to women.

wtknight · 2026-08-04T15:30:15+00:00

One political party of American men. Not “all men”. The men in the Democratic Party evidently took the accusations against Graham Platner seriously and didn’t shrug it off, because he had to suspend his campaign. It’s easy to get negative and start blaming all men when things look bad and not praise them when they do the right thing.

LaFrescaTrumpeta · 2026-08-04T17:46:51+00:00

definitely agree this is a problem, don’t agree that the conclusion is to generalize this to all men. iirc there were women on that panel who didn’t push back against him either right? there are tons of women who would straight up laugh along with that. and i’ve seen a number of men call out what he said as horrible. gender isn’t the common denominator here. would’ve agreed wholeheartedly with you if you’d kept the argument contained to “this is a sign that rape culture is alive and well”

edit boy is it depressing to see people defending this “joke” in these replies good lord yall

Flaneur50 · 2026-08-04T22:05:49+00:00

Waters' comment was asinine and that's what he does. The lack of pushback was right in line with Fox news, so not really surprising. Rape is no joke and the rights insistance on defining masculinity in trad terms is a kind of self hating if you think about it.

Having said that, the reason women who say "all men" say it is because they're being intellectually lazy.

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