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Man what a pity party this is. I've lived all over the country and I'm from the south, and I personally dislike how "friendly" people can be. I find it very fake and egotistical that someone can walk up and start talking to me and expect me to take the time to converse with them, when they haven't done anything that would make me think they're worth it. I haven't been to Athens, but Atlanta I've found to be like any other big city on the east or west coast. Sorry bro, but I gotta give you some t…
/r/seduction10/10/15 03:58 AM
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Find higher quality girls. It'll change everything.
/r/seduction10/10/15 03:52 AM
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Y'all can do whatever you want, I don't know why you're trying to convince me.
/r/seduction01/10/15 06:41 AM
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So girls who already liked him gave him their numbers...and you're mad? Why? Because the girls who "liked" you don't give their numbers? Maybe you spit better game for him than you do for yourself. Alternatively, you're way off if you think every white guy just has girls lining the block.
/r/seduction01/10/15 06:17 AM
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Some of us aren't ok with going through life being pushed around because we're scared of what might happen if we push back. And then some of us are pussies.
/r/seduction01/10/15 05:33 AM
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I agree with this one. It's not a joke. This is not a time to be "non reactive." I've picked fights with dudes who were twice as big as me over way less than this.
/r/seduction30/09/15 04:22 PM
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Dear god no
/r/seduction29/09/15 07:14 PM
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DON'T "accidentally" run into her. She'll see through it, view it as stalking, and you'll ruin any chance you might have with her. Try going to salsa again and if you bump into her there (or somewhere else NATURALLY), try again. But don't put pressure on yourself to be super direct. Do they expect to be kissed on first dates? Not necessarily, but you can definitely do it. Keep working on you, man. You're young and you'll figure it out in time.
/r/seduction29/09/15 04:57 AM
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I went to an SEC school and didn't see it, either. Then I moved to a city and have been dating college girls ever since (28). It's a different dynamic depending on the location. Also it's not THAT common, so you might not encounter it, and you'd only know about it if you were friends with the girl.
/r/seduction29/09/15 04:38 AM
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It's a fine line... Sometimes the right move is to be aloof. Sometimes giving a girl attention repeatedly will work. If you do the latter, you have to know what kind of attention to give, and how not to give away your value when you do it; if you do the former, you have to know how to be frame your disinterest as value while still maintaining that you're interested enough to keep the girl wanting more. Experience is the only way to learn how to walk the tightrope.
/r/seduction27/01/15 03:35 AM
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I mean, a lot of it should be trial and error/calibrating. Try acting a little bit different the next few approaches, see how it goes, reevaluate and recalibrate. But honestly man, I think you need to stop reading so much about pick up! You're isolating yourself from other people by so thoroughly enveloping yourself in it. Normal people don't think the way PUA coaches talk or write. Hell, PUA coaches don't even think like that - they're writing something to sell. Take a step back from PUA for as…
/r/seduction26/01/15 01:12 AM
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In my opinion, no, it doesn't allow you to date "up." Guys on seddit like to talk about the few ugly guys they've seen who have hot girlfriends. The thing is - it's his GIRLFRIEND. She over looked his physical appearance because he brought other things to the table that are valuable in a relationship. Stuff like kindness, a sense of protection and comfort, security, etc. She's not so much dating up as she is prioritizing some characteristics over others. But game doesn't teach you that stuff. It…
/r/seduction26/01/15 12:15 AM
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I've only read some of Manson's blog, but here's how I take it: Fuck yes, or no. There are a lot of women out there. If a girl makes it hard, don't waste your time trying to change her mind; go find the girls who are really in to you. This is actually a lot more important if you're looking for casual encounters than if you're looking for a relationship. In my experience, girls will only hook up/ONS if they perceive you as being out of their league. Now, is it possible to change a girl's mind aft…
/r/seduction15/01/15 01:37 PM
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She's 22 and has 2? Maybe it's me, but that's very low. Also doesn't sound like a player to me.
/r/seduction17/12/14 06:51 PM
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It really does just read like someone is trying to come up with every imaginable way to drag a frat and a university through the mud. Gang raping a freshman over broken glass as part of an initiation ritual, calling her "it," sodomizing her...this is something a blue piller would make up to disparage TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/14 05:15 PM
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I was a good looking jock, though nothing ever happened with the girls who liked me. Life as an adult is much better. There's this thing called freedom and independence...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 01:31 PM
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Lol why?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 03:07 AM
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Maybe. Although I remember watching Cruel Intentions when I was like 13 and being fascinated by the idea that you could learn/work on being good at getting women. That was long before my girl problems. Maybe a part of it is, that's just who I am.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 12:10 AM
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I mean, I'm not ashamed or anything. We all have reasons for the things we do. Someone might want to be a dad because he grew up without a father. Another advocates for abortion rights because she was raped. This isn't too different.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 04:55 PM
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It's as honest as I can be. I try to be self-reflective.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 04:12 PM
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I love one night stands and avoid LTR's like the plague. I'm also friends with A LOT of guys who are obsessed with chasing girls, just like me. We find each other based on this obsession. For us, it's about validation. It seems that most of us were rejected by girls when we were young, especially in high school. This leads to an inferiority complex and an obsession with becoming attractive to women - not one woman, or two, or a specific woman from our past...but all of them. We spend our lives t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 03:58 PM
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Before MMA, many martial arts attracted students based on how fancy the techniques appeared, not on how effective the techniques were in a fight. Kung Fu is probably the most guilty of this - it uses long, looping movements and strikes that are designed for show (and to capture the imagination of small/weak students who want to be able to beat up bigger people). A live fight, though, is fast, sloppy, and wild. Kung Fu isn't just less effective than other martial arts; it can be a liability again…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 03:27 PM
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You're shifting the scope of what you argue. You need to be talking about what the best use of one's time is. 2 years in bodybuilding is a long time - you're going to be a lot stronger than you seem to think. Take 2 guys who are the same height and weight, put one in kung fu class and the other on a focused weight lifting program, and the bodybuilder is going to have a very, very, very decided advantage. There isn't even room to argue here. You're wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/14 04:56 PM
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Straight up, no way around it - you're wrong, and you don't know what you're talking about. Chuck Norris and Bruce Lee? You don't know jack shit about fighting if you're looking to them as the ideal. MMA has proven kung fu to be a completely worthless discipline. It's also obvious that you don't know jack shit about bodybuilding. You don't get big muscles without being strong. What do you think, it's water weight? GTFO.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/14 04:43 PM
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Julien has an hour-and-a-half long video on YouTube explaining his "method" of pickup. The people who accuse him of manipulation and abuse should watch it. He promotes being genuine and goes into excruciating detail about what that means. He's not Mystery. His advice is very consistent with BP ideas imo. I'm not really a follower of Julien, but I've seen videos where he does things that at first glance seem offensive. There's a video where he tells a girl that her friends are fat, for example. H…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/14 04:54 PM
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Wow, that's the first time I've actually read that sidebar article. Another point for blue pill :/
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/14 01:40 PM
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All I can really go off of is personal experience, obviously, so I guess it's possible that the only feminine men I've met (who aren't gay, at least not openly) were just especially cunty.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/14 08:30 PM
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It's more that women seem to strive for different traits, like being caring, compassionate, kind, personable, things like that. A woman who is competitive, aggressive, and strives for status is going to be thought of as a certain way, like it or not. She could be very successful, professionally, but she's likely to have problems in her personal life. A man who has feminine traits and no masculine traits is going to be left in the dust professionally and in his personal life. Women aren't going t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/14 08:24 PM
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I still think there's a language issue here. I wear pink shirts sometimes when I go out. I'm friends with guys who are pretty metro. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about a 100 pound andro dude who says he won't watch sports because women aren't equally represented. I'm talking about a coward who gossips behind your back but then hides from you when you find out. I'm talking about the white knights of feminism. A man should be better than that type of behavior IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/14 03:15 PM
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So you're talking about literal roles. That's fine. I didn't do a very good job of saying what I meant; what I was trying to convey is that people who don't like the masculine/feminine gender roles/traits aren't masculine or feminine themselves. (I did it again, there - I don't really know what to call it besides a "role"). So, guys who are effeminate don't like the concept of masculinity. Masculine guys do, obviously; otherwise they wouldn't be masculine.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/14 04:02 AM
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I'm actually curious, if you want to be serious. What traits are you calling "masculine" but "outdated"? Do you have any traits that could be described as "masculine"? What are they?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/14 03:30 AM
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Then why aren't you girly?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/14 03:05 AM
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Thank you for your contribution it is really good and appreciated.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/14 01:09 AM
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Ok, I get that. Being a protector is definitely a masculine trait.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/14 12:42 AM
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TIL the mods of TIL have tumblr accounts. They need to check their privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/14 12:40 AM
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I think we're going in circles at this point. I'll rephrase the quoted post to be closer to what I meant: The only people who don't like the masculine/feminine gender roles are the people who aren't masculine/feminine. I'm not trying to make any claims about marriage v. casual sex. For your second point, in the process of trying to make myself more attractive to women, I've made myself stronger than something like 95% of the male population in the world, and I've learned how to face and overcome…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/14 11:37 PM
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I think you're right, to an extent, about the goals of TRP's members. Some are interested in relationships and marriage, but a lot are interested in getting laid. But I wouldn't call marriage a "gender role." I'd call it a societal institution. Are you saying that the reason a masculine trait is developed determines whether it's actually masculine? Or only determines whether it's traditionally masculine?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/14 10:06 PM
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"Traditional" in the sense of "masculine." It encourages it's members to be aggressive, assertive, competitive, independent, bold, brave, etc. I think you're talking about traditional institutions, not traditional gender roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/14 08:50 PM
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I slept with a girl from South Korea once, and she was really self conscious about her weight even though she was rail thin. She talked about how overbearing her mom was and how she'd call her fat. I'd guess that has something to do with it. Never met anyone from Lithuania, Finland, or the Ukraine.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/14 08:06 PM
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I have no idea. I'm not a social scientist. Are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/14 07:58 PM
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Isn't this a gross simplification of an extremely complicated social phenomenon? War, the economy, religion, cultural history, familial relationships, mental health resources, etc. etc. will all have an impact on this.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/14 07:38 PM
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Oh but I am.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/14 06:08 PM
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Wow, prime minister/presidential game. How impressive. You should write a book.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/14 06:04 PM
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For someone who thinks he/she is so smart, you seem to have a really difficult time reading.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/14 05:54 PM
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I just graduated from one of the best law schools in the world. I must be pretty dumb. The dynamics of a professional setting are obviously different than the dynamics of a social setting. You even admit as much. What are you even arguing?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/14 05:42 PM
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I didn't say gendered colors were biological, I said gender roles were. So, yes, it is a strawman. How about logic, then? I wrote a tl;dr. Why don't you respond.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/14 05:22 PM
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Why don't you listen to the fucking harvard professor instead setting up a strawman.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/14 04:54 PM
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Nope, sorry. Gender roles are biologically ingrained. http://www.artofmanliness.com/2014/10/24/demonic-males-podcast/ The tl;dr is that violence and warfare are evolutionarily advantageous, men are the ones who do it because women are burdened by children, and men do it in groups because it's safer. Hence male bonding over violence is evolutionarily advantageous. If a man doesn't roll with that, he's less useful.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/14 04:49 PM
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The only people who don't like traditional gender roles are the ones who don't fit them. They want to get rid of the measuring stick that they don't live up to. Sry not sry I don't respect girly men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/14 04:43 PM
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I don't think TRP does a good job of accounting for how falling into a particular niche can lead to a lot of success with women in that niche. I don't have a creative bone in my body, but I've always sensed that artsy men or musicians would get a bump in their SMV just based on that trait. This probably applies to a broad range of women, but I'd expect an artsy man to be especially attractive to artsy women. Would you say that's the primary type of woman you attract?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/14 07:42 PM
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I can't be happy if I haven't lived up to my full potential. I can't know what my full potential is unless I'm constantly striving. But hey, I guess we need people who are ok with being mediocre.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 01:26 AM
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http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/2a3en3/why_playing_hard_to_get_doesnt_work_and_a_better/ See especially my thoughts on the "3 different levels" of game.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/14 01:50 AM
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So no one should want casual sex or one night stands? Or it's unhealthy to want that? Is that really what you're saying?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/14 07:28 PM
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"Have fun. Don't bother calling me anymore."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/14 07:25 PM
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I view the red pill as analogous to a community that shames fat people into getting in shape, and the blue pill as a community that makes fun of these fat people and their motivational tactics. It's pretty obvious which I think is worthwhile, even if somewhat misguided.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/14 12:10 AM
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There's a Norwegian documentary linked in the sidebar on TRP, under the title "Gender Studies is Nonsense." The documentary itself is unrelated to TRP; they just like it, I guess, even though it doesn't fully support the TRP dogma. I'd encourage you to watch at least the first video on gender. Gender differences show up at around 9 months, and new born babies will look at different things depending on their gender. The last video about babies whose gender is unclear is pretty powerful, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 03:57 PM
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Sure you can. When behavioral patterns exist in every culture, no matter how different, it's a good bet the behavior is biologically driven. When behaviors show up in toddlers and even 1 day old infants, the same conclusion can be drawn.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 03:38 PM
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It's difficult to determine, but not impossible. Archeological and historical evidence in particular remove many of the possible confounding factors.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 03:17 PM
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Many of the hypotheses are falsifiable. They can at the very least separate biological causes from cultural causation. Genetic research can tell us when adaptations occurred, which can shed light on what environmental factors forced the adaptations. They can determine ancestry and genetic similarity, which sheds light on mating patterns from thousands of years ago. Etc. etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 02:41 PM
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That's an incredibly common outcome in DV cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 03:14 AM
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I'll admit, both in my hypo and in the promiscuity debate, that the studies really just back up a feeling that I have. But I can't just deny that feeling, or logic it away. It's going to impact how I feel about someone. I agree with your last point. There are nuances here. It's so case specific though that I'm not sure what would and wouldn't make a difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 02:12 AM
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I'm ok with this criticism.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 01:37 AM
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Yes, I acknowledge it's less direct. I can see how there'd be confusion in a rare case. But for TBP to not see my view of it makes me think they just don't get dating/hooking up.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 01:27 AM
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I don't care about them mocking TRP posts, but I think it's a cheap shot to be in the middle of debating someone then link their comments to TBP. They have their space, red pill has it's space, this is supposed to be a neutral ground. All Evo-psych is like what? It's a legit field that uses studies, the scientific method, and falsifiable hypotheses. Amateur evo-psych gives it a bad name, but the more they uncover, especially with the help of genetic research, the better off society will be IMO. …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 01:24 AM
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I'm thinking that the guy and I are younger than than you and u/DocileBanalBovine, because that couldn't be a more ubiquitous hook up invitation. Girls my age have been using it on me, and vice versa, for years, with no cross signals. I don't even think the girl was really surprised; I'm in agreement with the RP posters who thought she was interested in hooking up, at least when she accepted the invitation.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 01:15 AM
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I think the lack of contact adds further support for my view. If they'd been talking and getting to know each other in some other way, then it's more reasonable to think he might just want to hang out. But an invite to his apartment out of the blue? "Hey random girl I barely know and hooked up with a while ago, I think we just had such a great friend connection that I'm dying to watch a movie with you alone in my apartment." No way Jose.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 12:51 AM
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Maybe "dating norm" isn't the best descriptor; it's more "hook up culture norms." Girl hooks up with guy after a party. He then invites her to his apartment to "hang out" or "watch a movie," alone. That's pretty blatant code for "hook up" IMO, even without their previous hook up. Unless they're good friends (doesn't sound like they are - it sounds like he met her at the party, and even then didn't get to know her very well), that signal is pretty loud and clear. But let's play this game - which …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 12:00 AM
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My number one objection is posting PPD comments over there. This is a debate sub, if you don't like what someone says, say it to their internet face. Don't be a coward and post there where the OP can't respond without massive down voting. Complete disbelief in evopsych. It's one thing to criticize TRP's use of it, it's another thing to say "I bet they're the same people who believe in evopsych". Yeah, so does Harvard. Lack of understanding of norms in the dating world exemplified by this post an…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 11:37 PM
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They had a 911 call, which I'm guessing is why he got off. The cops don't hear the 911 call, though. A 911 operator takes the call and types up the information as it's being relayed to send to a dispatcher, who then radios the cops with the address and a short description of what's going on, usually a code, e.g., "3.11 in progress." So the cops aren't going to have all the information from the call. They won't even know who made the call. Neither will the DA, who has to make the charging decisio…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 08:50 PM
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An accusation is enough for probable cause. Think of it like this. The police have to make an arrest if there's an accusation of DV. If they show up and the parties are pointing fingers at each other, and one isn't obviously more injured than the other, they're going to arrest the man. They might arrest the woman, too, but that doesn't do much for the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 08:30 PM
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In addition, in some cases, victims themselves are taken into police custody because of mandatory arrest laws. Police on the scene may not be able to determine who is the primary aggressor in a violent episode and may feel compelled to arrest both parties if they have probable cause. http://nation.time.com/2013/02/27/whats-wrong-with-the-violence-against-women-act/
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 08:17 PM
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I'll also say this: it's very likely that you're beating yourself up over something that not only was out of your control, but really doesn't matter. I had a pretty similar experience when I was 22 where my gf of 4 years dumped me for another guy. I was really depressed, lost, and emasculated. But looking back, I don't even know why I was in a relationship with her to begin with. Everything about my life has been better since then. It's scary to think about all I would've missed out on had that …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 07:20 PM
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That's why I think you have to draw a boundary as soon as you get that hint. The first time she calls him superman, or even before that if you pick up on it, you have a serious conversation where you're vulnerable and assertive. Explain why it bothers you, and say you won't let it continue anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 07:00 PM
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This is my purple pill solution, based on personal experience. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. That's what you should take away from RP. You need to already be your best self, and always be trying to improve; don't start doing that only when you feel threatened. You need to have actual abundance, not a fake "abundance mentality," when you start dating someone who you're considering for a relationship. She needs to have some competition, and it's best if she knows that or can sen…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 05:33 PM
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The whole "looks don't matter" emphasis. The use of opinion openers. DHV stories. Those are the main things that I remember. The only thing i remember that I still like is the list of attraction switches.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 04:41 PM
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Magic Bullets. I don't think I agree with most of what's in it anymore though.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 03:58 PM
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I should specify that, like in the first hypo, this information comes out pretty early in the relationship. Like on the first date. I think you're either giving yourself way too much credit for your ability to judge character, or you're not being realistic. Women get creeped out by much more innocuous things. If I reverse the genders and say that I was dating a girl who revealed this, I don't think I would be comfortable being around her anymore. I don't know that I would jump to thinking she wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 02:32 PM
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Yes. They changed my position on dread game...or really, just educated me on what it really is. http://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/2i4q92/it_is_ok_for_a_woman_to_dread_game_a_bp_with_low/ckytidk They've also made me more critical of all the stupid comments you'll find in a red pill thread. Before I'd write it off as internet rambling. But now reading amateur evolutionary psychology posts and other crackpot theories that they pull out of thin air makes me mad. Of course you can't s…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 02:20 PM
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At all? If I change the hypo to you dating him (I'm assuming you're a woman but idk), are you still not worried?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 04:50 AM
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Children who torture animals are much more likely to become serial killers. Let's say you have a female friend who meets a very charming man. She's just smitten. She tells you, though, that he used to torture animals as a child. But she attributes his past violence to a tumultuous upbringing. She doesn't know him very well, but is very interested in seeing where it goes. Scale of 1-10, how worried for her would you be?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 04:28 AM
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I changed it to "many." Happy? Do YOU think he got 65,000 Facebook likes in 1 day because of hybristophilia?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 03:20 AM
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Are...are you trolling me? You're trolling me, aren't you? Sigh. I'm just gonna leave this here to counter your hybristophilia point. http://987ampradio.cbslocal.com/2014/06/20/americas-most-desired-felon-see-the-jeremy-meeks-memes/ Yesterday, in Stockton, CA, a gun sweep of the city’s West Ranch area resulted in the arrest of four men…and turned one into an internet sensation. According to the local station Fox 40, the Stockton Police Department posted the mugshots of all four men on their Face…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 02:57 AM
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Dude, you're not understanding the point. The women who swooned do not have hybristophilia. He got picked up by the media because he's so good looking. His crimes are barely news worthy. Most many women seem to just think he's incredibly attractive. Edit to accommodate Asperger's syndrome.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 02:49 AM
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This guy got way more mainstream attention. I'm saying it's pretty obvious that guy 1 would get vastly more attention from women than guy 2, despite his background.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 02:42 AM
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It's a mugshot, actually. It went viral a few months ago. Women around the internet (including reddit) were swooning over the guy. http://987ampradio.cbslocal.com/2014/07/02/report-hot-convict-jeremy-meeks-lands-modeling-contract/
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 02:37 AM
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Yes. Partner count has always been really important for me to know. Long before I knew about TRP. I don't know why it makes it "less personal" though. It's part of who someone is. It says something about them. It's more telling of their sexuality and impulse control than whether or not we like the same movie or have the same sense of humor.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 02:30 AM
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It's not a "good predictor for trends within groups." It IS a trend within groups. It thus can be used to make future predictions. Those future predictions, like all future predictions, may be right or wrong. But why wouldn't you use every tool at your disposal in making a future prediction? It does statistically increase the likelihood that you'll be right. They can be deceptive about partner count. Many are not, though. Or their lies aren't big enough. Instead of saying 50, they say 25. I'm us…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 01:18 AM
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How exactly is one going to be able to get to know you to such an extent that he can know that you will or won't cheat or divorce in the future? Dating is fraught with manipulation and deception. Everyone can be on their best behavior for a year+. Arguably the most reliable predictor of future behavior is past behavior. The biggest red flag obviously is if you've cheated or divorced in the past. I've read studies that say that getting divorced once raises the likelihood that one will get divorce…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 12:44 AM
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But there are people like that. You talk to them on the internet and read their posts. So they're within your realm of experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 12:33 AM
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Yup. One big, complicated, multifaceted, ever changing category.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/14 11:57 PM
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Thanks. Glad I could educate the ignorant.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/14 08:17 PM
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You've never seen a post about why men shouldn't marry? You haven't spent much time there then...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/14 08:04 PM
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You do realize that TRP attempts to accommodate men who have different goals, right? Some users want to be lifelong bachelors, some want to get married, many already are married. Your comment is mixing up the goals and desires of different groups of users.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/14 07:59 PM
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No, solipsism means you think the world revolves around you, and you frame very issue based on that assumption. Judging reality based on what you experience is how humans learn. We notice patterns. That's all I've done, notice a pattern. But that's all beside the point. All I'm really saying is women are too complicated to be distinguished by the 8 categories in the OP. I don't see why that would offend your blooper sentiments.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/14 07:52 PM
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Yes. That doesn't mean what I said isn't true.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/14 07:42 PM
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I suggest no such thing. I don't even know where you got that. Edit: also, if the categories aren't rigid, then don't they lose their usefulness as categories?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/14 07:41 PM
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This seems pretty worthless. Pretty much very woman I know is all of these things. They'll go through slutty phases then "invest"; sometimes they're slutty while they're invested. They justify their one night stands, give Love SexTM a lot of meaning, and won't have sex with men who they don't like and men in whom they see relationship potential. They want families and careers, and they want to be stay at home mom's at some point and then go back to work. So, AWALT.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/14 05:49 PM
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I wasn’t going to comment, because I don’t care all that much about the relationship advice TRP offers. But this was just too good to pass up. Let's break this down. /u/throwmefarandhard starts off by criticizing TRP for intellectual dishonesty. They use backward rationalization, he/she argues, and would ignore valid studies contradicting their preconceived notions. /u/throwmefarandhard then plays the “discredit the studies” game. In the final analysis, 2 studies (apparently valid) support the T…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/14 03:51 AM
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For me, it goes back to middle school and high school. I wrestled, played football, worked out, and had a lot of friends. And a lot of the girls in my class liked me. Except the girls who I liked. I was always nervous and uncomfortable around them. If I worked up the courage to ask them out, I'd get shot down. One girl, for example, was really flirty with me for several months. I decided that I liked her after a while; we "talked" or whatever for a few weeks, and then she brought a different guy…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 03:41 AM
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I'm not sure I know what you're saying. Women in general don't base their desire for a relationship on looks? Ok, I agree. But young girls will casually hook up with me, while older women won't. Are you saying the older women don't delude themselves into thinking they have a chance with me? Why would they assume that when I'm the one pursuing? The interesting thing is I've always experienced this. When I was 23 I couldn't get any interest from 24 or 25 year olds. When I was 19, 21 year olds want…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 01:38 AM
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I'm sure it's significantly harder to maintain a stripper body after 30. Women don't go to strip clubs to meet their future hookups, they go to see hot bodies. I can say that I'm pretty attractive, and I get a lot of female attention. But I have terrible luck with older women, and not for lack of trying. I'm 27. I don't have the same problems with younger girls, even if they're 19 or 20.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 01:04 AM
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Why did you date so many more "alpha's" as opposed to beta's? If the alpha-ness wasn't a facade, would that not be equally if not more appealing? Edit: Ok, I've read some of your other posts. I think it's telling that one bf slept with 300+ women, while your husband was a virgin before you. I'm sure you do find your husband more attractive. But it's fairly obvious that a traditionally attractive alpha guy will make better first impressions on women. There's also some ambiguity with words that I'…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 12:07 AM
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I get what you're trying to argue. I wish you'd come out and say it instead of trying to use the Socratic method. In general I think TRP uses the concept of SMV to refer to looks. You're trying to drag other concepts into it. You think TRP advocates deception. Some users do; some users vigorously argue that authenticity is more attractive than games. TRP deals with a lot of goals and values that are not consistent with each other. That's ok, users are supposed to get out of it what they want or …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 12:01 AM
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Bleh, too far. Too bad, you sound like fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 08:04 PM
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Where do you live? Wanna smash?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 08:03 PM
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You're trying way too hard. SMV is a simple concept. Your points aren't interesting enough to debate. Stop being dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 07:58 PM
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I tend to think that TRP contains a lot of half-truths that get taken too far. You're a pretty good example of the half of the alpha fucks/beta bucks dichotomy that is true, IMO. "Alpha's" are not marriage/LTR material, for any number of reasons. Beta's are not good for casual sex, but are good for marriage. (How much casual sex DID your beta husband have before finding you?). Women are more naturally attracted to alpha characteristics, but once they realize that such men are not well suited to …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 07:55 PM
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The art of seduction is amusing; it's not a guide. Start with Models or something similar.
/r/seduction10/10/14 07:17 PM
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This is ridiculous, and highlights my primary beef with feminism. Gender is NOT a social construct, it is a biological fact. Ignoring this is literally insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 04:08 PM
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Ashkenazi Jews and people of East Asian/Chinese descent score the highest of any population on IQ tests, with the East Asians scoring the highest. That means they're smarter'n you's.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 04:15 AM
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I think this comes back to the nature vs. nurture argument, and the more I learn about the debate, the more nature seems to be the predominate driver of our behavior. Looking back at my life, I didn't feel external pressure to have sex, I felt internal pressure. I didn't have older brothers or older male role models pushing me. None of my peers were sexually active, and I knew they weren't. That didn't stop me from feeling an overwhelming urge to have sex. Blaming that on society and telling you…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/14 11:40 PM
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In my past relationships, I was always the one who lost interest in sex. I get bored with the same woman. So, basically, I don't have an answer to this (although my guess is that you'd suggest dread game). But I don't like relationships, and if I did, I'd have other issues to fix first.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/14 02:48 PM
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This trend of accusing ex-boyfriends and hookups of rape on the internet, when lack of consent was never communicated. Rape isn't a word to just throw around. It's really scary to think that a girl might decide a year after I slept with her that she actually didn't want it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/14 05:28 AM
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Yeah, I get that. I hope those bad things don't happen to you, and I hope I've imparted a lesson I learned the hard way. Good luck.
/r/TheRedPill03/10/14 03:58 AM
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I'm trying to get you to engage in a little bit of critical thinking. I'll spell it out, because I see you making the same mistakes I did 5 years ago. You don't do things unless you have a good reason to do them. People react in ways that you don't anticipate, and problems crop up that you don't expect. You don't nourish jealousy when you don't have to, because it's a risk. It can backfire. Maybe she blew a guy while you were gone because she was scared you were up to no good. Maybe she's wrappe…
/r/TheRedPill03/10/14 03:41 AM
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The root of her indirect questions was jealousy. It doesn't take such a long post to figure that out. And there's nothing to be immune to. As for your mind games...I have no idea why you think that was a good idea.
/r/TheRedPill03/10/14 03:09 AM
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I do think it's important to remain attractive and have other options. Not that you would ever act on those options while committed, but I think it's unhealthy to stay in a dead relationship because you don't have anywhere else to go. But I also think it's unhealthy to play the games in that heartiste article, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/14 12:00 AM
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And the new terms and definitions post in the front page. So I stand corrected. I guess the first few times I read about it, it was misused.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/14 11:58 PM
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If that's what it is, then I agree with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/14 11:46 PM
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Can't believe no one is calling you out on this, so I guess I will. What the fuck was the point of this? You played mind games for a blowjob. Great. You think you have some control over her, but she has just as much over you, if you're stooping to that level to get head from a girl you're already sleeping with. And you not only think this is worthy of being bragged about; you went into a retarded level of detail that benefits no one. Leave the mind games to women. If you try to play, they'll dra…
/r/TheRedPill02/10/14 11:41 PM
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So what are examples of dread game to you? I always thought it was explicitly saying "change or I'm leaving." Not cutting off communication or other passive aggressive behavior. Edit: never mind, it was explained to me elsewhere in this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/14 11:19 PM
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Still don't get it, but I don't think further discussion is going to help. Thanks though.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/14 11:05 PM
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Why do you think it's coercion? If it's a bluff I can agree, but if it's not, I see it as establishing a boundary and being nothing but honest. It's not forcing anyone to do anything. It's saying "xyz behavior is a deal breaker for me." What's the alternative? Leave them without explanation? Stay in a relationship you don't want to be in anymore?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/14 10:58 PM
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So wait, do you think it's manipulation? Is this your opinion or are you making an argument on behalf of a blue-piller?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/14 10:38 PM
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Can someone explain to me why dread game is considered manipulative? Isn't it basically saying "change or I'm leaving you"?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/14 10:19 PM
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That guy sucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/14 08:27 PM
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I would agree with this, but I don't like when guys try to be more dominant either.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/14 12:50 PM
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Well, first, you said you couldn't explain why it doesn't matter to you, but a brief skim of your post history revealed a very good reason for you to not care. Also, at least in terms of TRP, "slut shaming" only comes up in the context of LTR's. There was a thread last week I think asking about short term or casual relationships, and the top comment was "then it doesn't matter."
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 10:03 PM
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Obviously. But I'd be lying if I said I don't legitimately wonder things like that when I hear stories of infidelity. Can't help it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 09:59 PM
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The more I learn about prenups, the more flimsy they seem. Aside from the risk of getting invalidated, and aside from the fact that they only cover the value of assets at the time of signing (i.e., appreciation is outside the scope of a prenup, as I understand it), your wife still has to walk away with a substantial portion of your net worth if you make/have more than she does. If that's not written into the contract, it's invalid. Dating for forever is much more equitable, as long as you're car…
/r/seduction01/10/14 08:50 PM
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Lol lets see the type of women this individual gets. Anyone can get laid if their standards are low enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 08:31 PM
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What I got out of the Paglia piece is that college rape is a joke. "Oafish hookups involving imprudence on both sides." The California legislation places an inordinate amount of focus on these types of cases where a girl says or does nothing (but could have). This isn't what we as a society should be concerned about. If it's not traumatic enough to say "no" at some point, then GTFO.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 02:03 PM
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The original twox thread is missing a lot of details, but it's a reasonable inference, given how fast everything supposedly happened, that they were not fully clothed. I'm not jumping to conclusions, I'm trying to draw the most reasonable inferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 08:03 PM
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If she's your friend or you want to be nice, and it's not terribly inconvenient, let her stay. Don't let her stay just to bang her though. If you want to sleep with her, but don't want her to stay, don't let her stay and make a move another time. Don't make life decisions just for women, whether it's to get laid on one hand or to show them you're not "beta bucks" on the other. In either case, you'd be doing it for someone else. And stop worrying about the cock carousel. Focus on you and the thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 08:00 PM
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I think you're ignoring the fact that they were teenagers. I think it's reasonable for an inexperienced teenage male to think that she'd do more than be quiet and lay still if she didn't consent to what he was doing. I think it seems that he couldn't see her face, which removes the possibility that her facial expressions would tell him she was uncomfortable. You blame him for not asking verbally for consent, I blame her for literally not doing anything to indicate the absence of consent. I've be…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 06:04 PM
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What do you want me to say to your post? I think you're wrong. I don't think he was reckless. I don't think he needs to be taught anything. I think she needs to be taught to say no. I think you're a bad person for thinking otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 05:28 PM
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Love this. Feminism's solution to psychopaths is to teach them not to rape, and they wonder why they're not taken seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 05:10 PM
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So his fingers and then penis magically penetrated her through her clothes? Tell me more.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 05:06 PM
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I don't think he did it on purpose This is all I need to hear. Legally, he didn't rape her, if you believe that. Intent is the critical factor in criminal law. Rape is a general intent crime that requires the intent to commit intercourse without consent. That's a universal factor in common law. So, it's funny that you say you "don't think it matters," because, really, that's all that matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 05:04 PM
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I don't think you know what I mean by "exaggeration." Over-generalization would be a better word. Happy now?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 04:13 PM
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So he's guilty of exaggeration.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 04:08 PM
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Did you read the full post? The quoted portion in this thread isn't the whole thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 04:06 PM
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I think that if I'm lying naked with a girl in my bed, there are adequate signals of consent to begin fondling, foreplay, and fingering. You seem to think he just jammed his fingers into her out of no where. I don't read it like that. My experience tells me that he went from fondling to fingering. And she didn't stop him. She just laid there. She was wet, apparently. He said "you're ready." She said nothing, did nothing. I wouldn't jump on her the way he supposedly did, but I'm not an inexperien…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 04:03 PM
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What? He's specifically responding to that post, and he specifically refers to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 03:27 PM
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Ok, I want to be clear about something. You think this guy (I guess he was 18 years old?) is a rapist. If you were on a jury, you'd convict him. You'd send him to prison for years, as a rapist. He'd be treated like rapists are treated in prison: regularly beaten half to death, savagely (and actually) raped, etc. If he managed to survive, he'd have to register as a sex offender when released, which is a whole different level of draconian punishment. You think this guy deserves that? When all the …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 03:26 PM
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Yeah, it's almost like I think the girl gave plenty of positive signals until all of a sudden she changed her mind...7 years later. Man the sky is really red or something in MY world.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 02:32 PM
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You mean gamble my financial security on the flight of fancy of a woman? Yeah...no.
/r/seduction30/09/14 02:24 PM
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Laying naked with your gf/bf doesn't give consent to basic foreplay? Ok, make sure your SO's know they have to get you to sign a contract before they touch you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 01:45 PM
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All those things are true about the woman he's talking about. The only thing he's guilty of is exaggeration.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 01:30 PM
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In the twox thread, she froze up after he started fingering her. That's what gets me. They're spooning, at least half naked. The context there gives implied consent IMO. Once she froze up, it was too late; he's already assaulted her under the blue bill horseshit theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 01:24 PM
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Forget the go ahead then. I want to know what kind of world you think we should live in where men have to be permission boys instead of expecting adult women to be adults.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 01:15 PM
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Question for the people who are saying yes, this is rape: What would you do in the guy's situation? Ask "can I finger you?" What if the woman says yes, but "did it because she was nervous"? If you're honest, 100% of the people ITT would have/have committed sexual assault, under this understanding. Married woman gropes her husband without asking for consent? Welp, send her to jail, she's a sex offender.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/14 11:06 PM
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I actually like most of the quotes in that list. It reminds me not to place all of my happiness and security in the hands of another person. I've done that before, and I've been let down and left pretty devastated. I don't think I'm sexist or misogynistic. Men do awful things too, but I've never been tempted to build my life around another man. That list just reminds me to keep my head above water, so to speak.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/14 08:17 PM
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Well, I haven't read everything in the sidebar, but the stuff I have read is generally less offensive IMO than the average stuff posted in TRP. Are you talking about the list of quotes to prevent relapse into beta?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/14 07:39 PM
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Without any context, I'm gonna take a guess that something like that was either posted by someone new or someone going through the anger phase. Or Roosh, but he sucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/14 06:54 PM
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Women aren't shit, people are shit. New red pill guys already know that guys can be shitty, so the rhetoric focuses on women. You're getting caught up in the superficial language when you need to read between the lines.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/14 06:47 PM
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Well, first, you don't have to be Tyler from RSD, meaning you don't have to bring THAT level of energy. But, really, try to focus on the present - you're out, you're relaxing, all your troubles can wait until tomorrow. And if you meet a girl, won't that make you feel better? Maybe that can be motivation.
/r/seduction20/09/14 12:45 AM
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Most guys who come to TRP need to be smacked upside the head before they believe they either can or should stand up for themselves. They need to see that women, just like men, can be awful people. They truly don't think that's the case; they don't see women as people, but rather as angels who will only like them if they worship them the perfect way. So to get to the useful stuff, you need the bad stuff. And once you're through the process, you stick around to help others, like you yourself were …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/14 12:29 AM
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I haven't, but I've been told by a lot of people that what I say mirrors what's in that book. And thanks!
/r/seduction19/09/14 06:35 PM
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This is kind of tangential to what the OP is asking, but I fundamentally disagree with you. People aren't charismatic because they say the right combination of words or do the right song and dance, they're charismatic when they're unapologetically honest and authentic. That means being themselves. You can never know how someone is going to respond to you or what you say. If you go around trying to anticipate what other people want to hear, you're going to be constantly wrong, and you're going to…
/r/seduction19/09/14 05:26 PM
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This response is dead on. I'd add that once you sense that the gal pal might try to cock block, do your best to win her over. Compliment her, introduce her to your guy friends, maybe even (gasp) offer to buy her a drink. Buying a drink for a potential guy cock block will work even better...I've had it done to me and I went out of my way to help the dude bang my friend.
/r/seduction19/09/14 03:56 PM
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This is the best advice. Kino, for example, has plausible deniability, but her instinctual response can give you a good read.
/r/seduction19/09/14 03:49 PM
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Major props to Juggler for everything I'm about to say: First, good conversation centers on one topic: you and the person you're talking to. Stop thinking about it in terms of subjects. You're not exchanging facts; you're talking about how you and your conversational partner relate to the world around you. You are an individual, and you have literally a billion opinions, views, and thoughts about the world around you. Share them, and find out what hers are! Second, when you first meet someone, y…
/r/seduction19/09/14 03:41 PM
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'Tis the nature of aspiring PUA's to want a clever fix. I used to be the same way. I was expecting down votes.
/r/seduction18/09/14 02:23 AM
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I...kind of agree. It's easier to meet girls organically. But the comparison was between fat frat boys and good looking sargers. You're underestimating how well the latter do, and overestimating how well the former do. This is dependent on context though. In a college town, you're right. In a city, I'm right.
/r/seduction18/09/14 01:59 AM
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Truly confident, handsome dudes do better sarging than fat slobs in frats. You sound like you're still in college, so you just haven't seen these dudes in the wild.
/r/seduction18/09/14 01:49 AM
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Wow, he actually got her on a date? I didn't even read the thread. Good for him, def trying this next time a girl flakes.
/r/seduction18/09/14 01:36 AM
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Ok
/r/seduction18/09/14 01:07 AM
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Man, I used to feel like this. I even got it in my head that most girls didn't want to meet guys in bars...especially the attractive ones. But I was wrong. Take a long, hard look in the mirror. For me, my issue was my fitness level. I was working out a couple times a week, running a couple of miles and doing curls, but it wasn't enough. I was skinny-fat, I wasn't watching what I ate, and I was going out and drinking so much I wasn't making progress. I stopped fucking around, hit the gym for real…
/r/seduction18/09/14 01:01 AM
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I have no desire or patience to explain this to you. Good luck getting girls "out of your league."
/r/seduction17/09/14 07:01 PM
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Then he has what girls want, dumbass.
/r/seduction17/09/14 06:35 PM
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Nope. Sorry. The things that matter can't be faked.
/r/seduction17/09/14 03:41 PM
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To get a 10, you have to be a 10. Stop looking for tricks and short cuts.
/r/seduction17/09/14 02:42 PM
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Lol my bad, I can see it. I'll copy it.... This is the best opener I’ve ever heard of. My boss was eating in a restaurant when he saw a woman he wanted to talk to very badly. Problem was, she was with a guy. They were sitting across from each other in a booth. So my boss walked over to the table and said: “Excuse me, I’m sorry to interrupt, but I had to come over and see if you two were together. If you are, then I’m sorry for intruding, and I want to buy you both a drink. If you’re not, I still…
/r/seduction17/09/14 01:49 AM
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http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/24c667/the_best_opener_ive_ever_heard/
/r/seduction17/09/14 01:13 AM
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Lots of guys go through this, there's usually a good reason, but girls aren't going to tell you why, and no one here is going to be able to tell you why based just on what you said in the OP, even if they say they know. I'd honestly suggest asking your past dates, that's a very high % of no second dates. Explain the situation, say they can't hurt your feelings, and hope they give you something honest.
/r/seduction16/09/14 01:54 AM
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TRP openly discusses the use of different sexual strategies for guys who have different goals. Wanna get laid? Do the club/bar thing, and drop girls who don't put out fast. Wanna relationship? Stay away from promiscuous girls, but be careful of the reformed whore. She should put out for you relatively quickly, if she likes you. Sounds like an almost impossible standard to meet? It is, they call them unicorns for a reason. If she was promiscuous in the past but is making you wait now, well, fuck …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/14 01:09 AM
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"There's no texting allowed in here." If she laughs you can have fun with it..."I'm just watching out for you, the bouncers killed a guy last week for taking a call from the Pope." Also, this: "have you ever had phone sex?" Then take out your phone and hump her phone with it.
/r/seduction14/09/14 08:45 PM
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The girl isn't interested.
/r/seduction12/09/14 04:46 PM
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Well, girls in LDR's might meet guys they like more, or they might decide they don't want an LDR. But they don't just forget about you or decide they don't like you.
/r/seduction11/09/14 10:01 PM
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Well first, relax. She won't "lose attraction" to you due to not seeing you. Literally every relationship I've ever had has been long distance at one point or another. Every one of them was a little bit different in how we maintained contact. Daily contact is pretty standard, but if you go a day without talking, it doesn't mean anything. The medium of contact doesn't really matter IMO. Some girls are big on talking on the phone, so just feel it out. Respect her space and if she seems annoyed tha…
/r/seduction11/09/14 09:32 PM
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I don't agree with your definition of dominant/submissive. If you haven't already, watch the reality show "Don't be tardy." The wife on the show is dominant over her NFL playing husband - always undercutting him, making him do things he doesn't want to while never doing things he wants to, bossing him around, etc. That would not be cool with me. All of my relationships have been pretty equal, but I think I was the dominant one. In the few rare instances when we disagreed on something, and I real…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/14 08:37 PM
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Well, the social contract changes what's in our best interest. So in a way, tempered could be the right word. In a state of nature, murder might often be in one's best interest, but it almost never is in society.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/14 12:10 PM
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I mean, he's picking a fight with her, spitting on her, hitting her, dragging her...he's a piece of shit. But legally she became the aggressor in that split second. He did have the right to defend himself. The issue is that he used excessive force.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/14 02:10 AM
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? It actually is. He backed away and then she came at him.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/14 02:03 AM
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She charged him. He's a piece of shit, but she charged him. Your comment is factually inaccurate. Her right to defend herself stopped when he backed away.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/14 01:38 AM
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Gaming a hot girl is no different from gaming any other girl. It's in your head.
/r/seduction10/09/14 06:51 PM
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1) (Before hook point):"yeah, you're not as tall as most of the girls I date, but you'll do." 1) (After the hook point): "yep" 2) "Well I'm not going to try to convince you. Yes or no?" 3) "I'm going to assume you're not interested, then. Oh well. Next!"
/r/seduction10/09/14 06:37 PM
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He's just talking about what you might be able get away with. It is pretty cringe worthy and it shouldn't be seen as real advice if you're actually interested in the girl. I feel like that's obvious in his message. His in field footage is obviously an experiment/demonstration. This would completely fuck you over with a girl who has confidence and options.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/14 03:22 PM
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I'd describe myself as an ethical egoist. So i, m, and p. I'm also inclined to go with b, because I think evolutionary psychology sheds light on why we think and feel the way we do, and what would have been in our best interest before the agricultural revolution. But evolutionary psychology can't be the guide, because we've entered into a social contract, which often changes what's really in our best interest. So d, g, h.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/14 01:38 PM
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You need to take into account the average n00b who seeks out seduction advice. Simple, black and white advice that they can't mess up is best, even if it's not "high level" game. As they gain experience, they'll learn when and how to bend the rule.
/r/seduction10/09/14 03:53 AM
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No, it's to make sure you don't screw up by being needy with a girl you like. You won't lose a girl with minimal texting, but you might lose her with excessive texting.
/r/seduction10/09/14 03:37 AM
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Dead lifts, squats, face pulls, and pendlay rows ave all helped my posture. Check those out.
/r/seduction09/09/14 01:33 AM
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RandianHero...one of the few posters who I think knows more than me. Happy to see you posting again. I think, in retrospect, that you're right about all of this. I'm actually curious how you would handle some of these shit tests, particularly a younger girl asking how old you are or saying you're too old. I think I saw a post indicating that you're 10+ years older than me, and I'm just now to the point where I'm starting to worry about how a college girl would react to my age. So far teasing the…
/r/seduction09/09/14 12:28 AM
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All good points. This mindset should underlie everything you do IMO.
/r/seduction09/09/14 12:22 AM
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I don't think you need to remember the 6 categories. It's more about understanding where they come from. "Maintaining frame" isn't an adequate guide IMO. Take this shit test that ThrowawayPUA talked about: Q: I think you're too young. A: No, you're too old for me. I think that's awful. Calling an older woman old? You think that's going to go well for you? Ok
/r/seduction08/09/14 09:08 PM
2

This is basically what the guide is, at least to me. Just more fleshed out.
/r/seduction08/09/14 09:04 PM
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I disagree with almost everything in that essay. Edit: "Almost everything" is too strong. Just the stuff that disagrees with what's in my post :).
/r/seduction08/09/14 05:20 PM
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This may be hard to take, but they aren't interested in you for whatever reason. It's not your texting.
/r/seduction08/09/14 03:04 AM
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This really depends on the region you're in. Some places are great, some most that I've been to are crawling with dudes.
/r/seduction08/09/14 01:05 AM
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Tl;dw?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/14 01:03 AM
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If I want a relationship, I want someone with a low partner count. If I want casual sex, I want someone who puts out fast. Women don't have a problem finding prospects for casual sex because the vast majority of guys are dtf. The problem with the askmen thread is it doesn't specify what the guys are looking for. Also, "inexperienced" is not the same thing as partner count. Someone could have had sex 20 times with 20 different people and would probably suck at sex. Another person could have had s…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/14 06:57 PM
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Break through - I just read a post where a guy kept calling women "pussy" - like, "don't sweat it, it's just pussy, lot more where that came from." That, I agree, is objectification. But that doesn't fit my "crossing boundaries" definition. And now I see how saying "I haven't had any boob in a year" is objectifying. So it's NOT just that they thought the girl was hot and wanted to comment in some way, it's a really specific way of referring to women. It's not just "man, I haven't touched a boob …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/14 12:36 PM
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You know it's a bad state of affairs when so many guys take to the internet to brag about having sex with their wives.
/r/TheRedPill06/09/14 12:01 PM
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Sure. I'm gonna let this thread die down first so I'm not fighting on multiple fronts.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/14 02:11 AM
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It's fine to disagree. I'm frustrated by the fact that you didn't address what I said there. But if it's just gonna be a rehash of what we already debated then there's no point.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/14 02:10 AM
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I will because no one here seems to want to try to understand what I'm saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/14 01:54 AM
2

I'm gonna take this to mean you didn't look at what I said in that chain?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/14 01:51 AM
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I think in this chain I finally found an example/debate that illustrates my point. http://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/2fi831/i_think_the_widespread_demonization_of/cka1lcd It's a war on men because it demonizes men for experiencing sexual attraction in a way that women don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/14 01:27 AM
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Read this chain. http://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/2fi831/i_think_the_widespread_demonization_of/cka1lcd
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/14 01:12 AM
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It punishes in the sense that it demonizes. It tries to make the men feel guilty. It is a war against men. There's a point at which viewing people as objects becomes problematic, and that point is when you start treating them as objects. Even you bring it back to negative behavior. Assuming that one begets the other is false. I often view women as objects, but I would never treat them as one, because I understand boundaries. Even though I might think and talk about them as objects, I obviously k…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/14 01:09 AM
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Finally. FINALLY I have hit on the point I was trying to make. I'm sorry it took so long. As a guy, I think admiring her body is exactly what they're doing. They are expressing their attraction, crudely and in efforts at humor. This is my point. If they are not interacting with her - if they are not violating her boundaries in some way - they are not treating her as an object. They aren't treating her as anything. They are viewing her as an object, I can agree to that. But caring about how they …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/14 12:41 AM
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The first one is the most offensive to me. How can the comments in the original thread be said to reflect that the men aren't seeing that girl as a person? They're just admiring her body and making various comments on it, not to her face. What are they supposed to say? I wonder what she does for a living?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/14 11:49 PM
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That's baffling to me. I think they all agree with mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/14 11:28 PM
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First, the people who you say don't understand objectification are the ones screeching about it. If they've co-opted the term, then that means it's changed meanings. Second, sexualization is not a form of objectification. That's part of what I'm arguing. Sexualization is sexualization. Objectification implies that anyone who looks at or enjoys sexualized ads is in some way at fault. If I say, "wow, that model's hot. I'd do dirty things to her," instead of acting repulsed or offended, I'm accused…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/14 09:58 PM
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Going in circles at this point though. Fucking seriously. Who, exactly, are you saying I objectify? The women in the video? Or the average woman who is somehow harmed by my altered belief system? Edit: I anticipate your reaction is both. As for the women in the videos, I don't think the industry objectifies them because they sign up to be portrayed as objects. I don't think I objectify them because I don't act on them. If the porn convinces me to grope or cat call, then that's bad, but not what …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/14 06:16 PM
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Let me try to re-word this. The porn industry sexualizes women. You can even say that the videos portray them being treated as objects (but it's an act, so it's not actual objectification, mmk?). That sexualization/portrayed objectification has a negative impact on the beliefs of the viewers. The viewers contribute to the widespread negative beliefs that porn creates, because they keep porn going. But the viewers are not treating the women in the videos as objects. They aren't treating them like…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/14 06:10 PM
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STILL missing the point. You're very focused on the industries here, I'm using them as examples. I get your arguments - watching porn keeps the industry going, the industry has negative effects, watching porn has negative effects. But you don't seem to be making an effort to understand my argument. MY argument is that the male fascination with the female body is vilified. You can't just say "don't pay attention to SRS," it happens all the time, all over the internet. Take, for example, that post…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/14 05:55 PM
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You're not understanding. Your criticisms of the EFFECTS of porn and advertisements are valid. You can critique the industry all you want, I don't take issue with that. But I take serious issue with saying that men who like looking at women's bodies objectify them. That is absolutely a war on men. If you don't think that men are vilified like that, then look at this thread, as one of many examples: http://www.reddit.com/r/ShitRedditSays/comments/1hi5ki/effortpost_a_supernova_signal_flare_of_redd…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/14 05:38 PM
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Thought police. I can't objectify someone I never meet or interact with - objectification requires action. Or at least it should.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/14 05:20 PM
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The "Popular" view of it: http://www.reddit.com/r/ShitRedditSays/comments/1hi5ki/effortpost_a_supernova_signal_flare_of_reddits/ http://www.reddit.com/r/india/comments/24mlyj/a_serious_discussion_on_female_models_and_female/ http://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/1khq3k/i_dont_think_accusing_someone_of_objectification/ http://www.reddit.com/r/GirlGamers/comments/1imksm/talking_with_hubby_about_objectification_in_video/ http://www.reddit.com/r/FeMRADebates/comments/2ewkhq/follow_up_thought…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/14 05:17 PM
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I was content to leave this alone, but other users have made me mad. So here's a bunch of links of people equating objectification with sexual attraction: http://www.reddit.com/r/ShitRedditSays/comments/1hi5ki/effortpost_a_supernova_signal_flare_of_reddits/ http://www.reddit.com/r/india/comments/24mlyj/a_serious_discussion_on_female_models_and_female/ http://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/1khq3k/i_dont_think_accusing_someone_of_objectification/ http://www.reddit.com/r/GirlGamers/comments…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/14 05:08 PM
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I haven't backed off my stance at all. I honestly think u/mrsmsa is burying her (his?) head in the sand, I'm just being nice and non-confrontational. Not a single piece of evidence has been offered to show that the message isn't shaped the way I'm saying it is, and I've offered multiple sources and links to support my argument. But if you have a point, then step the fuck up and say it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/14 04:25 PM
2

Huh? Learn to read, the argument is that it's harmful to boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/14 04:12 PM
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Given that such a message is directed towards men, to teach them to watch their ass, and not women, I say no.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/14 03:38 PM
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I don't think a red piller who's moved beyond the anger stage would say all women are even somewhat evil.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/14 03:23 PM
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Intentions as motivation for action, though, which is then used to evaluate actions. He wasn't trying to police thought. Ethics itself is the study of right and wrong conduct.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/14 03:17 PM
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It is, but it's taken on a life if it's own. More importantly, though, Kant never argued that objectification meant thinking about someone in a certain way. Action was a prerequisite. The modern way of talking about objectification ignores that distinction.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/14 03:03 PM
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Sexual objectification is
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/14 02:47 PM
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I understand what an intellectually honest feminist thinks objectification means. I'm arguing that the way objectification is often talked about doesn't stay true to that definition. Take your critique of objectification in media. "Objectification" is a completely inappropriate way to describe it. Sexualization =\= objectification; using it that way is thought policing.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/14 02:46 PM
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Read all the quotes and threads I've already posted. I'm not the only one who thinks this, the message is usually vague and poorly defined, and I've already argued this.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/14 02:36 PM
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Your point? Just because Kant said it doesn't make it true. I'll rep Mills Mill to the day I die.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/14 02:32 PM
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I'm not meaning to finger point. I thought bringing it back around to how it contributes to a lack of respect for feminism would emphasize why being more careful with the language is pretty important, in ways that aren't even immediately obvious. I was a philosophy major, and I learned that when writing it's best to assume your reader is lazy, dumb, and bored. If the reader misinterprets something, it's the writer's fault. I've clearly misinterpreted the message, as have several other commenters…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/14 04:42 AM
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I've see examples on reddit where women conflate it with being creepy. So basically what you're saying, but applied to particular circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/14 04:17 AM
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Who? Nm, Google check. I get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/14 04:08 AM
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I really think the message needs to be more clear. I've done a lot of nitpicking with these definitions in this thread, which to me shows how in one sentence the message is one thing, and the next it's something different. Take this video, for example. http://youtu.be/u_4dPB9MVS8. The first quote that she puts up and her paraphrase ("it's where men view women as things to have sex with") supports my argument of how the message is being expressed, I think. Then she goes on and is more careful wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/14 03:53 AM
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I was just trying to emphasize the apparent belief (as I interpret it) that thoughts, feelings, and desires have to be given preeminence over physical appearance; otherwise it's objectification. And its kind of a cop out to say "well, a lot of people are misinterpreting this." I doubt that most women conflate physical attraction with objectification, but I think that's the message that a non-negligible portion of guys receive, me included. I think that's harmful to those guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/14 03:12 AM
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He is not objectifying anyone But he THINKS he is. That's the problem. If I was less intelligent and had less experience with women, platonically and romantically, I might think the same thing. I DID think the same thing when I was younger (like, grade school), and I felt guilty about it. I think it's really messed up I was taught that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/14 03:05 AM
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Yes, I do realize that. I'm not sure what your point is though. I posted the twox thread to show that there are a lot of other people who believe objectification means what I'm arguing it often/erroneously does. I like this quote: I've always felt really weird and silly when I'm around women who objectify men. The other day I was out with a new friend and we were sitting on a bench having some cider, and she really wanted to move to a bench where she could look at some guys who were at a private…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/14 02:57 AM
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On your first point, see this thread. http://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/uw8ox/thoughts_on_the_objectification_of_men/ I like this quote. 28 up votes: I've always felt really weird and silly when I'm around women who objectify men. The other day I was out with a new friend and we were sitting on a bench having some cider, and she really wanted to move to a bench where she could look at some guys who were at a private function on a balcony. But just the OP shows I'm not the only one…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/14 02:50 AM
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I, too, can focus in on the language in the quote. In my case, though, I can point to multiple phrases and entire sentences that are troubling, including the one that qualifies your sentence: Specifically, sexual objectification emerges when people focus on women's appearances, bodies, sexual body parts or sexual functions more than their faces and other non-observable attributes, such as thoughts, feelings and desires." But I'm not trying to get hung up on the quote. I don't think it's especial…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/14 02:38 AM
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First, I'm not interested in seminal works, I'm interested in the pop-culture feminism we're mostly exposed to. I'm just posting stuff I find on reddit. As for your second point, I don't understand what you're saying. I think the inclusion of the "and" very much supports my point - that if you're solely attracted to a body, you objectify.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/14 02:33 AM
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The only thing I disagree with in this is how you think objectification is often defined. I've already posted links in the thread, and I'll find more if you want me to, but I think the way it's defined often does confuse physical attraction with objectification. As for amateur porn, I like it because it looks more like the women I sleep with and is more similar to the sex I have.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/14 02:04 AM
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The very definition polices thoughts. According to Sarah J. Gervais: "...people are sometimes seen and treated as objects. This process is called objectification and occurs when people are treated as things instead of people. Specifically, when a person's body parts or functions are separated from the person, reduced to the status of instruments, or regarded as capable of representing the entire person, he or (most often) she is said to be objectified....women are sexually objectified in many co…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/14 01:47 AM
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Your thoughts are safe I very much disagree, given the way objectification is defined: According to Sarah J. Gervais: "...people are sometimes seen and treated as objects. This process is called objectification and occurs when people are treated as things instead of people. Specifically, when a person's body parts or functions are separated from the person, reduced to the status of instruments, or regarded as capable of representing the entire person, he or (most often) she is said to be objecti…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/14 01:42 AM
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I feel like the difference is they'd say, "oh I was into their personalities, too." Which is basically saying they're superior to men by virtue of being women. Edit: this wasn't meant to be caustic, bitter, or sarcastic. I'm serious. The difference between objectifying and not is apparently whether or not personality is a factor in your attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/14 01:20 AM
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This misses the point I'm trying to make. I'm not saying what the media does isn't bad. In fact I listed some of the ways it's bad, and this adds to the list. I'm saying attempting to police the thoughts of men is bad. Attacking/criticizing men who think of women sexually is thought policing, and I think that's what underlies a lot of the discussion on objectification. The stuff I read doesn't attack the media, it attacks men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/14 01:13 AM
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Sexualized? Portrayed in a sexual light?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/14 01:00 AM
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I don't even think that the women in the videos are being objectified, for the simple fact that they consented. "Volunteering to be objectified" is a contradiction, a semantic and logical absurdity.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/14 12:57 AM
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It really just depends on the context and the test. Even the same test should be handled differently depending on when and how it's asked. If a girl asks if you're a player while you're flirting with her, it's best to treat it as a joke, hence agree and amplify. If it's the end of the night and you ask a girl to come home with you and she expresses concern for how promiscuous you might be, now is not the time to joke.
/r/seduction04/09/14 05:17 PM
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One way to think about shit tests is, how would I handle this if a 5 year old did it? This is a good example of that.
/r/seduction04/09/14 03:38 PM
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If you're a man with a sex drive, I don't see how you could give up for very long. I couldn't. Try meeting girls through more social avenues. Friends of friends, volunteering activities, social sports like kickball. And keep working on yourself; it's a marathon, not a sprint.
/r/seduction04/09/14 12:12 PM
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I'd argue it's just not an important skill. It doesn't have that big of an impact when done well, its incredibly easy to screw up, and it has a steep learning curve if you're not already socially calibrated.
/r/seduction04/09/14 12:07 PM
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I've tried a range that goes from "you're cute, what's your name" and "you're hot" all the way to "you're beautiful" and "you're fucking gorgeous." I've tried compliments on items of clothing. Even just implying that the girl caught my eye doesn't work for me. I'm not telling other guys not to try it, it just hasn't worked out for me. I've maybe tried it 30 times, with 0 success. 0/30 makes it by far the worst opener I ever tried.
/r/seduction04/09/14 12:05 PM
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There are several women in that thread who say basically that.
/r/seduction04/09/14 02:28 AM
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Sounds to me like you just need to find the right bars. There are younger crowds and older crowds; hopefully your city has something that suits you.
/r/seduction03/09/14 09:08 PM
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Yeah, this is what I suspected, the issue is really approaching/putting yourself out there. Good news for you, that's the easiest thing to fix. Friends are going to be the biggest challenge. I'd tell you to get involved in a sport, but...yeah, you're already doing that. No possible friends through that? Would you consider doing a social sport like kickball? I play flag football and have met some good friends that way. If you live in a city, there's a good chance you can find some kind of meet up…
/r/seduction03/09/14 08:43 PM
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You...I like you. First things first, reading without practice is like doing 50 curls with a 5lb dumbbell. Learn some theory, sure, but the most important thing is crashing and burning and learning from your mistakes. That said, we need more info. How old are you? Are you in school? Do you think you'll prefer bars or daygame? How much experience DO you have? Ever had a girlfriend? Virgin? No shame or judgment either way, but I'd need to know if the issue is 0 experience flirting vs. just not hav…
/r/seduction03/09/14 08:20 PM
2

This is true. I can't say my friends were doing it "wrong," per se, because they were doing exactly the kind of kino recommended in blogs/on here. I think kino is one of the hardest things to get right in seduction, so I'm not a fan of telling guys who probably lack that calibration to do it.
/r/seduction03/09/14 06:25 PM
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Meh, in a small way I guess. It shows that you're somewhat comfortable with yourself and people around you. If you're not actually comfortable, though, kino is like the worst thing you could do.
/r/seduction03/09/14 06:13 PM
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Yeah, I have no doubt compliment openers work for lots of other guys. Just not something that ever worked for me for whatever reason. Interesting that your experience with "hi" is so different than mine. Also, if you only do kino on girls who are already interested in you, then that automatically means you're not using it to build attraction - they're already attracted. Maybe you and I have a different understanding if what "build attraction" means?
/r/seduction03/09/14 05:46 PM
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This is a good point and a fourth benefit of kino.
/r/seduction03/09/14 03:00 PM
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First: No, I think they're different. Second: "pushing" meaning something like 2 steps forward, 1 step back. If a girl says the panties aren't coming off, don't try to pull them off. Rub over the panties, maybe underneath, and stimulate her everywhere else. Wait for her to decide when they're coming off. That's the difference to me.
/r/seduction03/09/14 03:00 PM
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I literally just changed my mind about this, and now I agree with you, thanks to this thread in askwomen: http://www.reddit.com/r/AskWomen/comments/2f9voi/is_it_hard_to_screen_out_guys_who_just_want_to/
/r/seduction03/09/14 02:12 PM
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I wouldn't do coffee if you're just going to tell her you want her to be a plate. There's too much discord/mixed signals there. You also don't want her making this decision in the light of day, with a sober mind. You want her to cheat? You need her to act on her worst instincts. Cancel coffee, break up with your girl, then look for an opportunity to close when you go out with your friends as a group. Have the plate talk after you fuck.
/r/askTRP03/09/14 02:02 PM
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Curious to see if she's actually ok with you fucking other girls. I've tried this before, and it was playing with fire.
/r/TheRedPill03/09/14 01:21 PM
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Right. Like I pointed out, there are a lot of good reasons to do it. But I think saying it builds attraction puts it on the same level as something like humor and makes guys think they HAVE to do it, early and often. I've closed without ever having laid a hand on a girl before the clothes were being pulled off, and I've seen so many of my PUA friends scare girls off by being too touchy feely early on in an interaction.
/r/seduction03/09/14 01:03 PM
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I feel like I could write pages about this. Compliment approaches have never worked for me in an (American) bar. I don't think I've ever lasted more than 1 minute in a set after opening with a compliment. Conversely, it's extremely rare for a set not to open if I just say "hi." Jealousy plotlines/pre-selection: I once found myself in the fortunate position of hooking up with two extremely attractive girls who were part of the same social circle. I hadn't fully closed with either girl, but I want…
/r/seduction03/09/14 12:22 PM
1

Absolutely doesn't matter.
/r/seduction03/09/14 04:52 AM
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Wear shoes/boots that make you taller and be better looking than your friends. It's not enough to be "in shape," you need to set yourself apart.
/r/seduction02/09/14 01:18 PM
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Approaching can lower your value; being the wingman can heighten your value. Combine this with good looking wingmen and you have a problem. Talk to your friends about this and establish a rule: the person who approaches gets first dibs. Either "call" a girl before you go in (my favorite method) or establish a subtle way of calling a girl once you're all in set ("this is Jessica, she's a dork" = I like her). Tell your wingmen not to outshine you with the girl you want - they only talk to her mini…
/r/seduction02/09/14 01:14 PM
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I'm 5'8" and wear boots with 2" heels, and I think it helps. I'm taller than most girls until they put on high heels, and the boots basically even the playing field again. But it's mostly in my head - I don't like/won't approach girls who look taller than me.
/r/seduction02/09/14 01:06 PM
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What do you do in your free time? Volunteer or anything? That's the sort of thing you can say you "do" until you get to know girls better. I also see that you're considering doing a YouTube channel; that's a good one that will get a lot of interest.
/r/seduction02/09/14 01:02 PM
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ITT no one understands shit tests. A shit test is comparable to complaining about a product you're considering buying. You wouldn't complain about it if you weren't considering the product, but there's still a flaw that might prevent you from purchasing it. Everyone complimenting you on getting this shit test because it means you've "correctly faked it until you've made it" or you're doing something right doesn't know a god damn thing. It'd be best never to get this shit test. If you get this a …
/r/seduction02/09/14 03:12 AM
2

You describe sex as a more or less meaningless pursuit. In it's place, you suggest pursuing a career/money. What makes those more worthwhile? At least with sex, there's a biological urge, an evolutionary need. But if you have a roof over your head and food on your plate, what do you need a job for? We're all slaves to something. It's good that you took a step back and made a reasoned decision, instead of letting others dictate it to you. In my view, though, you bet on the wrong horse.
/r/TheRedPill02/09/14 02:35 AM
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You're female? Try asking this in /r/twoxchromosomes
/r/seduction02/09/14 01:46 AM
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Talk to your friends, especially any female friends you might have, and ask their opinion. Don't let them off the hook until they hurt your feelings. Tell them that. Seriously, getting my feelings hurt was probably the best thing that ever happened to me. But you need some ass hole friends.
/r/seduction02/09/14 01:14 AM
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So it's not your looks. Feel better? Seriously though, it could be one of a billion things (unrelated to your physical appearance) but we can't diagnose it over the internet unless you give more details. Also, everyone goes through stages where they feel like they're the ugliest/stupidest/most boring person in the world. This too shall pass.
/r/seduction02/09/14 01:03 AM
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I'm gonna get down voted to hell for this, but I think you should wait. When I got started I wasn't in great shape, and after doing a lot of approaches and getting a lot of rejections, I basically conditioned myself to expect rejection. Then I got in shape, and it was a completely different paradigm...but I was (and still sometimes am) still trapped in that old mindset. The entire concept of developing "skill" in seduction is really overblown in this community. The only real skill is learning ho…
/r/seduction02/09/14 12:57 AM
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Are your pics in any way misleading/not representative of what you currently look like?
/r/seduction02/09/14 12:43 AM
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You'd probably like the 4 Hour Work Week and the community it spawned.
/r/seduction01/09/14 01:35 PM
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Your lack of dating is a lot less of a big deal than you're making it IMO. I don't think many girls would find it a red flag. Lack of an LTR would be a red flag for a girl that wanted an LTR, but only because they'd assume a guy without an LTR is either a player or has some personality flaw that makes him difficult to get along with. I say be honest about why it hasn't happened yet, but you want it to. Better than making up an ex. As far as kissing, practice definitely helps. You don't have to f…
/r/seduction31/08/14 04:41 PM
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Girls don't like confrontation with guys. They'll give out their number to avoid your potential negative reaction to rejection. They text a few times because its low investment. Try to make plans and you'll see where they really stand.
/r/seduction31/08/14 02:24 AM
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"Oh, I'm jimmyjimryan by the way. What's your name?" Proceed to have normal human conversation.
/r/seduction31/08/14 12:25 AM
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17 at 19?!? Dude, don't get involved.
/r/seduction30/08/14 07:25 PM
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She knows you're not exclusive. Are you sure she's not dating around too? Kinda sounds like you have oneitis. You're calling her your gf even though you're not exclusive. Oneitis makes you do dumb shit, like get locked down before your ready, turn into a schmuck with no self respect, and get used, abused, and dropped like a bad habit. Tread carefully. And for god sakes don't feel guilty about not cheating on your "non-exclusive girlfriend."
/r/seduction30/08/14 07:22 PM
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Well...it's a difference of 30%. I think it's more interesting that the highest satisfaction is about 50%. My take away from that is don't get married, period.
/r/TheRedPill24/08/14 11:50 PM
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No
/r/seduction24/08/14 09:18 PM
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I get you. I had no intention of trying to direct him here. I just wanted to rant about the commenters and their complete retardation.
/r/TheRedPill24/08/14 08:35 PM
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I'd argue outcome independence applies to individual girls, not the entire gender. No one on here would say "suppress your desire to sleep with women." Unless we're talking MGTOW I guess, but that's a different beast.
/r/TheRedPill24/08/14 08:01 PM
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Most feminism doesn't make me mad. I couldn't careless what they say to each other as they circle jerk. This hit a nerve with me, I guess because I've had people in my life who tried to shame me for having perfectly natural masculine desires. Edit: I also like to visit those subs and find ludicrous posts/articles to send to the feminists I know. I get a certain enjoyment from rubbing their nose in it. That's why I was there.
/r/TheRedPill24/08/14 07:51 PM
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Hair is really important. I find it really hard to believe you'd look worse with short hair than long hair. Pics are super important to properly give you advice here though...
/r/seduction24/08/14 01:36 PM
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Uh, I really wouldn't talk about this stuff on a date. She's not going to be impressed by your mastery, she's going to wonder why you think about such things so much, and why you have to work so hard to get laid. Not a good look.
/r/TheRedPill24/08/14 01:30 PM
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Really disagree with this. Looks matter way more than confidence. The ugly guy/pretty girl is a classic example of beta bucks. Those ugly dudes aren't banging a lot of attractive women...or very many women at all.
/r/TheRedPill23/08/14 09:49 PM
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I understand what you're talking about. It's a habit. You either get in the habit of swallowing whatever you're feeling, or you get in the habit of expressing it. Start small by being honest with strangers or friends, whoever you're more comfortable with. I noticed that playing amateur sports got me in the habit of unloading on people/standing up to them, because I'm so competitive my impulse will override my generally stoic personality. Once you get thrown out of a game for telling a ref exactl…
/r/seduction22/08/14 09:02 PM
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You did nothing wrong. His comparison demeans the experience of women who are actually sexually assaulted. Why were you trying to argue with this guy? You won't convince people by arguing, so unless you just want to troll, just walk away next time. If you let people bother you, they win.
/r/seduction22/08/14 08:53 PM
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You don't have to make a girl laugh at all. If anything, being the funny guy can be counterproductive.
/r/seduction22/08/14 01:53 PM
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You don't need to be funny to pick up women.
/r/seduction22/08/14 01:52 AM
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If you don't recognize the truths that this video highlights, then you're wasting your time on seduction. To all the people saying "he's not funny, the girls just like the way he looks" - how's being clever working out for ya? He's not even facially attractive and he's running cycles around you.
/r/seduction21/08/14 06:35 PM
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Shit man, I can't count the number of girls I've lost to short 1 or 2 week breaks, like Christmas or thanksgiving. No way to prevent it IMO, just part of the game.
/r/seduction12/08/14 06:27 PM
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This should be in the sidebar or something. Let it be a lesson to everyone who reads it: when you act like you expect or are entitled to sex, you're done. Could be through over aggressive kino, jokes that are too sexually suggestive, or turning the conversation sexual. Timing is important too: the less time you've known the girl, the more careful you should be. Young padawan here learned a valuable lesson.
/r/seduction12/08/14 01:19 PM
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Eh? I'm not saying you can't learn these things, I'm saying there's nothing inherent to ritzy private schools that teaches them.
/r/TheRedPill12/08/14 01:14 PM
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I'm honestly intrigued by your approach, I just don't think it would work. Nothing wrong with brainstorming and options.
/r/seduction12/08/14 02:05 AM
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Jesus don't say this. There's no point in taking this risk with a girl you've already got on the hook. Make a joke about the imaginary boyfriend. "It was his idea!" Or something.
/r/seduction11/08/14 09:35 PM
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I agree. But this has nothing to do with being "alpha." Just connections and career trajectory.
/r/TheRedPill11/08/14 08:05 PM
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This guy knows what's up. Family background is THE determining factor, not what some school teaches.
/r/TheRedPill11/08/14 06:42 PM
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If you want to talk about the nexus between alpha behavior and sports, talk about contact sports. Football, wrestling, boxing, MMA. I've known a lot of chess players and fencers. They didn't exactly ooze confidence.
/r/TheRedPill11/08/14 05:10 PM
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I hate Roosh. I wish we could send his dumb virgin ass back to Victorian England. Edit: I just want to clarify that I'm talking about roosh's apparent inability to sleep with more than 3 girls a year. I can't take someone who I don't respect seriously.
/r/TheRedPill11/08/14 04:51 PM
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Lol seriously? By this logic anything remotely competitive turns you into an alpha male. How about bowling? Or chess? Or fucking speed knitting. Get real man.
/r/TheRedPill11/08/14 04:45 PM
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I think you're confusing wealth and professional status with being alpha. There are a lot of benefits in going to a private school, namely connections. But the emphasis on career and monetary success produces far more beta bucks engineers, doctors, and lawyers than the alpha businessmen you seem to have in mind. I went to school with the children of US Senators and congressmen, doctors, lawyers. And I know a lot of public school kids who I consider just as alpha as any of the rich kids I know. T…
/r/TheRedPill11/08/14 04:25 PM
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If you think playing squash makes you alpha, we just have no common ground. :p
/r/TheRedPill11/08/14 03:10 PM
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As someone who spent half of my education in public schools and the other half in private schools, and who just graduated from a private grad school, I think you have no idea what you're talking about. Sorry. It just reads like a rant you pulled out of your ass.
/r/TheRedPill11/08/14 02:59 PM
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This is one of the most interesting topics in seduction IMO. I've spent a lot of time thinking about it and reading about it. So here's my $.02. It all comes down to validation. We all seek validation. The person that makes us feel validation is the person that will drive us crazy with lust. But there's more than one way to skin a cat. A very easy way to be that "validation machine" for a girl is to withhold some amount of attention or respect. Withhold validation, but give her enough hope that …
/r/seduction11/08/14 11:32 AM
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It's called mental toughness. Grit. Roll up your sleeves, cowboy the fuck up, and get back in the ring.
/r/seduction11/08/14 11:08 AM
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In that case I wouldn't say anything. You're evaluating them for a relationship, and they're evaluating you. All's fair there.
/r/seduction11/08/14 12:24 AM
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Dear God, don't do this in an attempt to impress or make you look more attractive. It will not work. However, I do think honesty is important, along with managing expectations. Don't lead a girl on just to have sex with her. That's counter productive. Manage expectations based on the context of the relationship. You haven't given any details, so it's hard to give advice, but I do think it's important to say as early as possible that you're not trying to date seriously. Beyond that, do NOT go int…
/r/seduction10/08/14 10:50 PM
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I think the anger and resentment will die down when you realize all of the advantages guys enjoy. You're spending all your time thinking about what women get away with, so now focus on all the stuff guys get away with. If a guy plays his cards right, he's in a much more powerful position than a woman who plays her cards right. We can sleep around without being slut shamed. We never hit the wall. We choose who we hit on and pursue, instead of being mostly passive choosers. And, sorry, no one resp…
/r/TheRedPill10/08/14 10:39 PM
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Well, I'm specifically talking about confidence with girls. Confidence is area-specific and based on experience. I might be very confident in school and in skiing, because I'm good at those, but not confident in swimming or networking, because I have less experience in those. So I don't think it's realistic to be truly confident with women unless you have a lot of successful experiences. In short, I think confidence is entirely reactive. That doesn't devalue it though.
/r/TheRedPill10/08/14 04:42 PM
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Sure, I guess. But I'm only more confident because of the positive reactions I started getting from girls. To me it's clear where the chicken/egg dilemma resolves here.
/r/TheRedPill10/08/14 02:59 PM
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I have to agree with this. Signs of wealth have never gotten me girls. Getting in good shape did.
/r/TheRedPill10/08/14 01:03 PM
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Yeah, it's taking away attention. An example is pulling out your phone and texting during a lull in the conversation, or turning your attention to someone else in the group. Best suited for when a girl does or says something you don't like. The point is to make her feel like she has to work harder for your attention by saying or doing things that you do like.
/r/TheRedPill10/08/14 12:50 PM
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I can't believe they negged! Wtf.
/r/seduction09/08/14 08:35 PM
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Anything pre-planned would miss the mark here. You think it's weird being direct? Try asking a random woman in a pharmacy "who lies more, men or women?" So you need a "situational" opener that has to be made up on the spot. Something about the environment or what she's doing/wearing, usually. Maybe you can think of something, but maybe you don't. If you don't, the girl will walk away without you having come up with anything. I say you give yourself 5 seconds to think of something, and if you don…
/r/seduction09/08/14 08:30 PM
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I assume your talking about std's? I've been doing this for years and I haven't gotten anything yet. I'm of the opinion that std's aren't as big a deal as many make them out to be. If you do your research, you'll realize that most std's are curable, and the few that aren't are either very difficult to get through heterosexual sex, or aren't really avoidable even with a condom.
/r/TheRedPill09/08/14 08:21 PM
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I prefer plates because I get bored banging the same girl all the time. I also think plates are a lot more diverse than you give them credit for. Some are just warm bodies for sex, but some I like more and spend more time with. I have unprotected sex with those plates, so I get a lot of the benefits of an LTR, without the downsides.
/r/TheRedPill09/08/14 05:05 PM
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Well yeah, that's what the article is saying. There has to be the possibility of interest. Luke warm interest is worse than intense interest. The point of all the seduction stuff is to mix signs of interest with signs of disinterest.
/r/TheRedPill09/08/14 01:55 PM
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Push-pull, teasing, take-aways, mixing negs with compliments, etc.
/r/TheRedPill09/08/14 01:32 PM
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I've slept with a lot of girls who I didn't get attached to, so I don't see your point?
/r/TheRedPill04/08/14 11:23 PM
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I actually really appreciate this insight.
/r/TheRedPill04/08/14 09:50 PM
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I don't know. Plate to me means casual, non-exclusive sex. You can do that with 1 girl or 10, obviously. But I'm not the master of TRP lingo so...
/r/TheRedPill04/08/14 09:49 PM
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Wish it was this simple. I work out 6-7 days a week, I box, I play flag football, I work in a very "competitive" field (confrontation, winning, and losing are tangible and ever-present)....still have this problem. Heck, this is basically a life long struggle for me, so even back when I played (tackle) football and wrestled, I still had attachment issues.
/r/TheRedPill04/08/14 09:13 PM
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For me it's a girl I have repeated casual sex with. Like performers who "spin plates," it's ideal to have more than one, and it takes a bit of work to maintain all of them.
/r/TheRedPill04/08/14 09:07 PM
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Yeah, you get it. Absolutely a gambler's high. Maybe I should look into addiction programs next time I'm in the cycle. Seriously.
/r/TheRedPill04/08/14 06:48 PM
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I don't know if this advice is 100% on point for me, because I absolutely understand the duplicitous nature of women, and I'm pretty good at getting girls. But I think I can take a broader view of what you're saying and work to focus on all the negatives of the girls in my life, and hopefully that will keep me grounded in the real world.
/r/TheRedPill04/08/14 06:47 PM
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As a general rule, I say don't compliment. Think about WHY you want to compliment. Usually, I think, it's to ingratiate yourself. Of course people like to be complimented. Even if a pretty girl has been told she's pretty 1000 times, it's still nice to hear. But she's not gonna jump in your bed just because you said she was pretty. If anything, you risk being supplicating by complimenting. You do need to express sexual interest, but you should try to do that with your actions. I should add that t…
/r/seduction02/08/14 03:04 PM
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I actually meant that Latinas and black girls would make bad wives IMO. Say what you will about white girls, but they don't step out at nearly the same rate as the others, from what I've seen.
/r/TheRedPill01/08/14 03:57 PM
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Funny, I'm a white guy and feel the same way about Latinas and especially black girls.
/r/TheRedPill01/08/14 02:12 PM
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Last I heard, there's a strain of gonorrhea going around that doesn't respond to antibiotics. So add it to the list of STD's that might be with you for a while.
/r/TheRedPill29/07/14 09:20 PM
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I spent 3 years focusing on going out and "game," thinking my body was good enough and any lack of success I had was due to shyness or awkwardness or whatever. Then about a year ago I randomly decided it was time to get serious about working out. The contrast between before and after was really stunning. I was basically spinning my wheels for 3 years, looking back, when the answer was 3 or 4 months in the gym. All the problems I thought I had before - running out of things to say, failure to pul…
/r/seduction29/07/14 02:46 AM
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I agree. I don't mean to say wanting one thing or another is beta, but I think whining is. Learn to play the game, whatever game that may be.
/r/TheRedPill28/07/14 10:46 PM
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Isn't the point of the red pill to learn to be the former? In which case, hating on slut culture is, in literal terms, beta.
/r/TheRedPill28/07/14 09:11 PM
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I say, stop bemoaning what you don't have, and look around at what you do. Easy sex with no commitment? I'll gladly be a ride on the cock carousel for as long as it lasts.
/r/TheRedPill28/07/14 07:59 PM
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Yeah that's really cheap. I've also never seen a party enforcer before. That would make it worthwhile, but it must be rare?
/r/TheRedPill28/07/14 02:28 PM
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I would say this (probably in a text message): "I enjoy hanging out with you but I don't want a relationship, although I might've been conveying that by going on two dates with you. I don't wanna just fuck you either though. I kinda just wanna hang out with you without being serious. I enjoy hanging out with you. You're really hot and cool. Also it's just fun having your company and being affectionate with you." Girls respect honesty. Put it in the table and let her decide.
/r/seduction28/07/14 12:51 PM
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It worked for me. We're brainstorming here so if you have other suggestions, throw them out there.
/r/seduction28/07/14 12:44 PM
1

If you're going through hell, keep on moving... He's upset because he's obsessed. Only way to get over that IMO is to immerse yourself so deeply into the obsession that you either get what you think you want, or burn out.
/r/seduction28/07/14 12:28 PM
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Pretty much this. There's a feeling that will hit you one day where you realize your self esteem shouldn't be based on whether you're in a relationship or whether you have girls in the pipeline. You'll get to a point where you know you can get girls, and you know exactly what you need to do to get them, and the security that comes from that should allow you to relax and smell the roses.
/r/seduction28/07/14 12:06 PM
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This sounds, like, mentally unhealthy. I don't care about the morality of it or whatever; but seeking out girls with SO's would just seem to make you a very misanthropic and unhappy person. It's kind of like living in a burn ward just to know how much humans suffer. You're just purposely exposing yourself to the worst part of human nature. You need a hug bro?
/r/TheRedPill28/07/14 03:50 AM
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Date more. Eventually it'll hit you that no girl (or any number of girls) really improves your life and makes you happy.
/r/seduction28/07/14 03:31 AM
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I'm so tired of seeing critiques of pick up artists. You can huff and puff all you want about morality and propriety, but the field is the ultimate judge. If it works, I'll do it, if it doesn't, I won't. Oddly, that simple test ends up weeding out basically every single "tactic" anyone finds offensive. Instead of spending so much energy hating on something you only superficially understand, let the market place of ideas take it's natural course. So basically, who cares what they think about PUA?…
/r/TheRedPill27/07/14 03:54 PM
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If you've clearly set out the ground rules and the fact that you're not interested in a relationship, and she accepts, then it's not using her. If you haven't, then it is.
/r/seduction27/07/14 03:10 PM
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I'm 27 and I'm more successful than you in every way possible. But I get very violent with sexual deviants, especially when I know I have a get out of jail free card.
/r/seduction27/07/14 01:22 PM
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You'd be a registered sex offender if anyone ever pressed charges. Think about that you fucking pervert. They don't like you doing this; they hate it, you're just too oblivious to realize it. I'd do more than kick your ass over this, I'd beat you to within an inch of your life, and there wouldn't be a god damn thing you could do about it. Maybe that'd get the message through your Neanderthal skull.
/r/seduction27/07/14 05:38 AM
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That's the problem. It's not out of the norm, and it should be. The only way it'll stop is if people start standing up to it. That guy who you don't confront will do it to your girlfriend, sister, or daughter tomorrow. That's why I fucking care - I actually care about the women in my life. And I think it's disturbing that you're defending this behavior. I guess you're one of the creeps who does it. So, if you witnessed me use some fucker as a muay thai beating bag for copping a feel, maybe you'd…
/r/seduction26/07/14 09:50 PM
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I've never met a woman who likes strangers grabbing her ass, no matter the setting. You seem like you have good intentions, so why would you continue to do it, knowing it's not welcome? Girls aren't confrontational about it because you're a stranger whose bigger than them, and you pose a danger no matter the situation. They'll act like they like it just to avoid the risk that you have a bad reaction.
/r/seduction26/07/14 09:47 PM
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It's sexual assault. He should be on the sex offender registry, along with pedaphiles and rapists. BTW, want to kick someone's ass for doing this without worrying about getting arrested? Keep what I just said in mind, and make sure he know's that if he presses charges, so will you and the lady he assaulted.
/r/seduction26/07/14 06:44 PM
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If I ever saw a guy doing this to a random girl in public, he'd be spending the night in the hospital. That's not hyperbole, and I know I'm far from the only one. I've also seen guys get arrested for groping women. What you think is "cute" is really fucked up, and you should feel ashamed. And if you keep doing it, I hope you do it to the wrong girl. Soon.
/r/seduction26/07/14 06:18 PM
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I've been reading field reports for like 4 years, and I've never read one that I was sure was a lie. Until just now.
/r/TheRedPill26/07/14 12:54 PM
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Yeah, who cares whether she says no or if she tries to stop you? Just rape her. You probably won't get arrested anyway. http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-paradoxical-thinking-20140715-story.html Edit: happy to see my point was appreciated, thank you for the gold.
/r/TheRedPill25/07/14 03:43 PM
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Mental toughness. You can pretend you dgaf for as long as you want, but it's just not true, in the pure sense. What separates the men from the boys is the grit to fight through the bullshit.
/r/seduction25/07/14 01:55 PM
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Yeah, good luck with that, asshole.
/r/TheRedPill25/07/14 03:40 AM
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On the first point, I guess we're just gonna disagree, because I think you're conflating sexual desirability with LTR potential. I honestly think it's silly to deny that most guys want some amount of maturity in a LTR - this is so abundantly obvious to me that if you won't acknowledge it, we just have no common ground. On the last point, this video was posted on here a couple weeks ago, and it sums up my views nicely. http://youtu.be/BaRjwsOKEyQ In short, the most reliable and trustworthy LTR gi…
/r/TheRedPill24/07/14 10:34 PM
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I personally think this is retarded and shows that you have a poor understanding of what women (and men) want. First, what male at the peak of his SMV (late 20's/early 30's, established, successful) wants to settle down with a female at the peak of her SMV (21? Inexperienced, naive, bringing little to nothing to a LTR). Second, women gain points with moderate relationship experience, they don't lose them, as your analogy suggests. Finally, most girls in my experience don't go through life trying…
/r/TheRedPill24/07/14 08:43 PM
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I have a friend who teaches yoga and picks up a crazy number of girls. One of the first things he tells women about himself is that he does yoga.
/r/seduction24/07/14 04:08 PM
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Getting into a hobby you love is really more about enjoying life while you're here on earth than getting girls. Even if you do something very stereotypically attractive, like play guitar or fight in MMA, talking about it isn't going to give you that much of a boost with women. If they SEE you do it, that's a different story, but to do that you'd essentially have to be semi pro (for music and fighting at least) - and that could take a while. The point is, get a hobby for yourself, not other peopl…
/r/seduction24/07/14 11:55 AM
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Have you ever asked a girl how many people she's slept with? Ever judged a girl for sleeping with you too fast? Asked if she had a boyfriend? Asked how old she is? Acted pissy with a girl who once rejected you but then later expressed interest? Men absolutely "shit test."
/r/seduction23/07/14 04:07 PM
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I think you should be more clear about what you're talking about. The OP makes it's sound like you're telling everyone to ditch texting in favor of calling, but your comments make it seem like what you're really saying is, basically, stop texting so much.
/r/seduction23/07/14 01:04 PM
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It's necessary, but not sufficient. Physical attractiveness will get you much farther than good style, don't get it twisted. The key is indeed fitting in. Not being overly fashionable. Don't go running over to MFA thinking they'll fix your dating life. It's a waste of time and maybe even counterproductive.
/r/seduction22/07/14 03:46 AM
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"Be less invested" is good, beginner advice. To be more advanced, one has to understand the dynamics of social value. A woman will gauge a man's dating value largely by how he respects himself and whether he acts like he "deserves" the woman, for lack of a better term. The easiest and fastest way to accomplish this is to be less invested. But there will absolutely be situations where that simple method will fail you. For starters, it's extremely important to express sexual/romantic interest. Ano…
/r/seduction21/07/14 10:07 PM
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"Frame" is difficult to understand because people use the word in different ways on here. Usually, it's just a different way of saying "act" - "hold frame" generally means "act alpha." This isn't particularly helpful, because "alpha" is itself a vague word, but if you piece together what users on here think alpha behavior looks like, you'll have a better understanding. A different definition of frame is "the underlying subtext of an interaction." This meaning is used a lot less frequently, but i…
/r/TheRedPill21/07/14 08:55 PM
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Direct is always the best bet, whether in a bar or during the day. Don't overthink it, don't be over the top, and take context into account. Those are all the rules you need for approaching.
/r/TheRedPill21/07/14 07:41 PM
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Yeah I don't think you were ever really friendzoned. She may have been trying to make you jealous, or maybe she just sucks at flirting. If you had been "shunned," as you put it, I don't think the last minute kino would have saved you.
/r/seduction21/07/14 02:58 PM
1

What do you want? Do you want to bang a lot of girls or do you want a girlfriend? If girls think you're a player, it means there's something about you that leads them to not trust you. The number one cause of this, I think, is not being upfront about what you want. If you tell girls that you date around, but you court them like you would a girlfriend, you're gonna have problems.
/r/seduction21/07/14 02:51 PM
1

A hook point is when a girl makes a conscious decision to talk to you/flirt with you after you approach. This is a very fast decision and is usually made within 10-20 seconds of an approach. It is thus by necessity a very superficial decision. To get more hooks you need to improve how you present yourself within those first 10-20 seconds. This is the best article I've seen on how to do that: http://www.thematinggrounds.com/where-to-start-if-youre-lost-with-women-part-5-how-to-be-more-attractive-…
/r/seduction20/07/14 02:54 PM
2

It's a joke. Overly BP on purpose. Not everything has to be overanalyzed.
/r/TheRedPill19/07/14 03:19 PM
2

You're over complicating it. Women (and men) do what they need to do to keep a partner around. Chad will go somewhere else if he doesn't get a bj, Billy won't. Simple economics.
/r/TheRedPill19/07/14 03:01 PM
1

I don't think you understood what I said, but whatever. You don't seem interested in understanding a better way to go about this, so I hope it works out for you.
/r/TheRedPill17/07/14 04:18 PM
1

There shouldn't be any room for a plate to play head games. If she makes you work for sex, or she threatens to walk away, you just move on. If you're too invested to do that, she's not a plate. If the relationship involves anything besides sex, she's not a plate. By texting her this much, and by exerting this kind of effort to get what you want, you're telling her that she is not a plate. Thus, she won't act like a plate.
/r/TheRedPill17/07/14 12:46 PM
3

This is way too much texting with a plate IMO. Quit playing fucking head games, you'll only get more invested than you want to.
/r/TheRedPill17/07/14 01:44 AM
1

I can't say I agree with you. I've lived a lot of places, and the girls are fatter and uglier in all but a select few cities in my experience.
/r/TheRedPill14/07/14 06:47 PM
7

As I read this, I'm sitting in a doctor's office watching an obese woman eat Burger King. I know who I respect more.
/r/TheRedPill14/07/14 05:52 PM
1

As in, they're feminists or they're ugly? There are a lot of feminists, but that doesn't bother me. If anything I like it since casual sex is more acceptable. As far as attractiveness - there aren't models and actresses like in LA or NYC, but it's overrun by perfectly cute 20-something's. Roosh just sucks.
/r/TheRedPill14/07/14 05:40 PM
1

Nothing especially novel. Working out puts you ahead of 90% of your competition. The guy-girl ratio is the best in the country. There are a lot of different bars and clubs, and it's a really underrated nightlife scene - there's something there you'll like, you just have to find it. Everyone does online dating, so get fit and get good pics. Meet ups and social sports are really popular and a decent way to meet people.
/r/TheRedPill14/07/14 03:51 PM
5

I think dc is one of the easiest places to meet girls in the US. LOL at Roosh not getting any ass.
/r/TheRedPill14/07/14 03:43 PM
0

I'm trying to see things your way here, but I don't agree with you. The way you've laid this out, it really sounds like you're just excessively logical. Men do the exact same thing you're saying women do, depending on context, and women are perfectly capable of giving straight answers to factual questions.
/r/TheRedPill14/07/14 12:50 AM
0

It's like, humans change their minds sometimes or something! I agree that women experience cognitive dissonance, but this is a terrible example.
/r/TheRedPill12/07/14 11:25 PM
14

I don't care what you do as long as you don't rape me.
/r/TheRedPill11/07/14 04:16 PM
1

I can't say I agree with this one. Men have just as powerful of an evolutionary incentive to cheat, if not a bigger incentive. I also find it easy to remain in the "alpha" frame in a relationship. My breakups are always very bitter, with the girls always saying I'm selfish and inattentive, but relationships seem to work well until I'm tired of them. If anything, I'm the one who doesn't "humanize."
/r/TheRedPill11/07/14 04:11 PM
1

What have you read/watched so far? It sounds like you're overwhelming yourself with information. Based on your other posts I'd guess that's just in your nature, so if you can handle it I guess it's not so terrible. Just be careful with getting bogged down with information. At some point you'll realize it's relatively simple, and the skills are already in you. Books: Models, by Mark Manson. How to Meet and Connect with Women, by Wayne Elise/Juggler/Charisma Arts. For day game I'd suggest Sasha Da…
/r/seduction11/07/14 03:20 PM
2

Flirt more man. It sounds like you just talked to her like a friend and danced. Tease her, push pull, cocky funny, all that stuff works.
/r/TheRedPill11/07/14 02:10 PM
3

Agree, this is a red flag. Don't do something that she can frame as "he made me."
/r/TheRedPill11/07/14 02:08 PM
1

Nah, I'm not just talking about recognizing that a guy is good looking. I can think "that guy probably gets a lot of girls" without thinking "I would fuck him, if I were a girl." And as it applies to myself, it would just be narcissistic to actually think "yeah, I'd fuck me."
/r/TheRedPill11/07/14 11:53 AM
1

Absolutely
/r/seduction11/07/14 03:39 AM
1

First, are you a sensitive guy, or are you a dominate guy? It's ok if you don't know, but if you do, BE that. Join a band or play football/UFC/etc; don't try to play to both if you're not both. You can't get every girl to like you, but you can get a lot of girls to like you. Second, social circle game isn't that much different than cold approach, you just have to take the long view and be a little more cautious. It's a fine line to walk, though - if you're too cautious and don't ask a girl out/m…
/r/seduction11/07/14 03:36 AM
0

Haha, you've got me there. I have to say though, every time I do this, I'm really just trying to pump myself up/get myself in a confident mindset. And it usually doesn't work, because if I need a pick up like that, I'm not in the right head space.
/r/TheRedPill11/07/14 02:35 AM
-2

Have you ever seen a guy and thought, "if I was a girl, I'd sleep with him"? I haven't.
/r/TheRedPill11/07/14 02:16 AM
2

Not to be cocky, but most of the girls I meet want to sleep with me, or at least find me attractive enough to go on a date/hook up. And I know I'm not the only one. I'm only 5'8", I can only imagine the kind of action a good looking guy over 6' gets. But there have been 3-4 month stretches where I've had a different girl every week. It took me a long time to get here, but it's doable, and it's a great feeling to have that kind of...power.
/r/TheRedPill11/07/14 02:14 AM
4

Take a nap before you go out, easy.
/r/seduction11/07/14 02:09 AM
1

Dear God this is so true. RandianHero said it once on here and it really resonated with me - it's really no different seducing a 10 than it is seducing a 5. If the 10 finds you attractive, it's the exact same fucking process.
/r/seduction11/07/14 02:07 AM
1

If it were me I'd get mad, confront him, probably fight with him, then drop him and the girl. I'm not advocating fighting, I'm just saying my temper would get the best of me. As for the friend, that's a cancer you don't want in your life, no matter how long y'all have been friends,
/r/TheRedPill11/07/14 01:10 AM
0

I don't think this is truly possible to answer. I'm a guy and I'm not gay, how the fuck do I know on my own if I'm attractive? What's more, it doesn't matter. You know you're attractive when most of the girls you meet want to sleep with you.
/r/TheRedPill11/07/14 01:03 AM
2

If anyone ends up in court, what you say here, to the cops, or to your friends might be admissible, no matter who's on trial. You've already said enough to be used against your friend who threw punches, if he gets charged with assault. You might have said enough to burn you, too, even though you don't see it now. For instance, if your story changes for any reason, at any point, you might be facing perjury or obstruction of justice charges. I should add that I'm not a lawyer, and I don't want thi…
/r/TheRedPill10/07/14 08:49 PM
11

Hot girls, in my experience, are actually pretty receptive to red pill truths, because they have the dating experience to know its true. Now if some nerdy guys asks them for advice they typically won't know how to respond and fall back on the typical BP answers, which even Tila does here at the end, but if you point out examples and say "which is more attractive - the alpha or the beta?" they'll readily admit the alpha.
/r/TheRedPill10/07/14 03:52 PM
1

Lawyer up ASAP. You don't have to pay for a private one if you can't afford (a good) one, a lot of public defenders are actually very good. If the cops or any investigator ever tries to talk to you about this, REFUSE to talk without your lawyer. DO NOT DISCUSS THIS WITH ANYONE besides a lawyer. Your words can be used against you. And whatever you do, DO NOT hand over the video without showing it to your lawyer first. And you shouldn't be posting about this online. Delete this ASAP.
/r/TheRedPill10/07/14 12:38 PM
1

Maybe it's my personal interpretation of the song, but basically marrying really young, working yourself to the bone for your family until you can't walk or stand up straight, and then dying. The song romanticizes it, like that's what everyone should do, and that was the direction I was going for a long time. And then life intervened with that plan and I woke up.
/r/TheRedPill10/07/14 01:06 AM
4

Yeah, this would be different with my friends. I'm thinking more along the lines of acquaintances.
/r/TheRedPill09/07/14 11:41 PM
2

PUA stuff is no more manipulative than anything women do in the attraction and seduction stages of a relationship. "All's fair in love and war" - I don't get mad that women wear makeup and push-up bras, and it's ridiculous to get mad at men for learning game.
/r/TheRedPill09/07/14 11:29 PM
42

I mean, this is admirable, but it's a mindset I'm honestly not familiar with. I'm an only child and I'm naturally self centered. It wouldn't even occur to me to buy drinks for everyone, and I can't say I would respect someone who would - I'd just think "cool, free drink" without thinking "what a nice person!" I suspect this is how most people react, so it's kind of just a waste of money, because you're not going to get the appreciation.
/r/TheRedPill09/07/14 10:46 PM
121

You usually buy drinks for everyone the whole night? Jesus man, cut that shit out.
/r/TheRedPill09/07/14 10:29 PM
2

Agreed. Someone's probably already pointed this out in the comments, but she's using the work she does to justify her lack of interest in sex. Meanwhile, she's getting everything she wants out of the marriage. It's a totally one-sided arrangement.
/r/TheRedPill09/07/14 09:05 PM
0

My bad, I thought you were saying it was RP since it's not PC/shows a woman not being perfect.
/r/TheRedPill09/07/14 08:32 PM
9

Nah man, that shit's BP too. "I can fuck up his car because he cheated on ME, a woman." Um no, crazy psycho bitch. Hope you go to jail and have to pay restitution.
/r/TheRedPill09/07/14 07:40 PM
12

This is so true! "A woman like you" by Lee Brice - basically, the wife asks what the singer would do without her, and he thinks about it and realizes his life would be pretty badass. Wife gets mad and pouts, he back peddles, even going so far as to admit that he'd be a mess without her. I'm sorry, I'd take the single life he describes over watching his wife do yoga any day. And don't even get me started on "Small town southern man."
/r/TheRedPill09/07/14 06:33 PM
2

At a bar! She had a fake, and I just had blind luck.
/r/TheRedPill09/07/14 05:06 PM
1

Agree 100% with all of this.
/r/TheRedPill09/07/14 01:33 PM
16

I'm 27, and I started hooking up (FWB) with a 19 year old last fall. At first I was just in it because she was hot, but now, 9 months later, I'm convinced she's the smartest girl I've ever known. And not just book smart and street smart (she's both), but maturity and wisdom well beyond her years. Now, her friends...I can't stand. Self absorbed, attention seeking, vapid, insecure, the list goes on. This girl's rare, no doubt. She had a somewhat rough child hood and basically had to raise herself …
/r/TheRedPill09/07/14 12:03 PM
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Direct quote: "He married me and he made a vow to love me for better or worse and it seems very petty and immature for him to complain about a lack of sex when I have given him everything else." True, the tone isn't as extreme as the paraphrase above, but what I just quoted is pretty fucked up.
/r/TheRedPill09/07/14 11:41 AM
1

Wow, now this is interesting. I used to spike my hair because I thought it made me look good, but when I started working in a professional setting I changed it to a more conservative style, and I started getting a lot more attention from women. I never really understood why, but this makes perfect sense. Thanks for sharing!
/r/TheRedPill09/07/14 11:26 AM
3

I mean, what that guy did wasn't cool. It's a shame behavior like that is associated with this subreddit.
/r/TheRedPill08/07/14 10:42 PM
1

That's just push-pull, no? Not saying it doesn't work, but hard to get is supposed to work for different reasons, at least in theory.
/r/TheRedPill08/07/14 09:42 PM
1

My solution is dread game/abundance mentality. I just say it a different way - different side of the same coin, like I said.
/r/TheRedPill08/07/14 09:22 PM
3

I feel bad for the dudes who want a family. On one level I can accept that this might be a reasonable thing to want, but man, what a pickle.
/r/TheRedPill08/07/14 08:56 PM
4

It's an issue of context and consent. No girl likes a stranger grabbing her ass and running away. But if you hit on her and talk for 5 minutes, then it might be welcome.
/r/TheRedPill08/07/14 06:56 PM
7

"I'm not having this conversation" or "don't ask questions you don't want the answer to."
/r/TheRedPill08/07/14 06:54 PM
1

This is an interesting question, because it's not a situation I've found myself in since then, but I think what you said is exactly what I would do. The truth is I was interested in at least fucking her from a very early point, and I got consumed in the game instead of just putting my balls on the line and trying to make something happen. This was over 4 years ago and I'm a different person now, vastly more experienced and confident with women. I wouldn't even get myself in this situation now - …
/r/TheRedPill08/07/14 06:49 PM
1

Good point. It's not playing hard to get if you're not really interested...you're just not interested.
/r/TheRedPill08/07/14 06:19 PM
1

Ah I get you. We're on the same page.
/r/TheRedPill08/07/14 05:19 PM
13

Maybe something like, "this is really a conversation you should have with your girl dude. If you don't trust her, that's between you two."
/r/TheRedPill08/07/14 05:02 PM
3

Yes, absolutely this. If you look through my post history, I must've said over 100 times all over reddit how important lifting is. This post is really about getting out of your own way once you have that high SMV, which is something I had to learn the hard way.
/r/TheRedPill08/07/14 05:00 PM
28

The whole thing about ratting girls out applies to her friends - don't go and brag in front of them how you hit it and quit it. This will embarrass her, ensure that no girl who hears this ever sleeps with you, and is a great way to pick up a false rape accusation. But if the boyfriend asked me, I would tell him. First, don't ask a question if you don't want to hear the truth, I say. Second, he should know what kind of girl he's with, and if she doesn't tell him, I will.
/r/TheRedPill08/07/14 04:31 PM
1

Mmm, I actually disagree with this. I think. The most common scenario in my experience in which women are brats is in cold approaching. But in that case, their bratty-ness is just a mean way to reject you. While that behavior doesn't have an excuse, there's no use in getting mad at it. Be the bigger man and end the cycle of disrespect, I say. Shit tests, on the other hand, are another example of bratty behavior, and the correct response is often standing up for yourself or maintaining boundaries…
/r/TheRedPill08/07/14 04:19 PM
39

I don't think this is objectification, technically speaking. Grabbing a stranger's ass is objectification. This is just appreciating a woman's sexiness.
/r/TheRedPill08/07/14 04:02 PM
9

Divorce is so common that there is always a large pool of women to date, at any age. Once you age out of 20 year olds, date 30 and 40 year olds who never got married or are divorced.
/r/TheRedPill08/07/14 03:57 PM
1

I'm adding to the OP, check it out and see if it's a more adequate answer to the paradox.
/r/TheRedPill08/07/14 12:43 PM
1

I mean, if you do a favor for someone and don't want anything sexual in return, she's not going to think you're an orbiter. She'll think you're a friend who did her a favor; no reason to get mad at that. It can become more tricky to do a favor for a woman who you're pursing romantically. My solution is to make it clear that I'm doing the nice thing with no expectation of anything in return. The underlying frame is "I like you and want to fuck you, but I'm doing this favor outside of that and on …
/r/TheRedPill08/07/14 12:40 PM
1

My answer to this is that you should build value and raise your SMV without relying on playing hard to get. There's a better way to raise your value, and I'll add my thoughts on it to the OP.
/r/TheRedPill08/07/14 12:34 PM
2

This is exactly how I would answer.
/r/TheRedPill08/07/14 12:31 PM
1

This is certainly possible. I regret using the example now, because it's opened a bag of worms that's distracting from the point I was trying to make.
/r/TheRedPill08/07/14 12:30 PM
3

Thanks for the support. I think I'm gonna add to the OP to expand on what being real means.
/r/TheRedPill08/07/14 12:28 PM
3

Thank god someone posted this. This sub has the potential to go so deep into understanding male-female dynamics, and it's wasted on ranting and raving about bullshit.
/r/TheRedPill08/07/14 02:36 AM
3

Interesting perspective. I'm familiar with loss aversion (essentially a takeaway, right?), but I don't understand how it would be paired with scarcity. To feel a loss, you have to have had something to begin with...
/r/TheRedPill08/07/14 02:02 AM
10

Ok, I'm entertaining this possibility, but I have a couple of reasons for thinking she wasn't using me: 1) the only thing I had to offer was to help her study, and she didn't end up studying with me. 2) I don't want to bring this up, because I don't want to look like I'm bragging, but I'm pretty good looking, and I get a lot of attention from women based on that alone. I can see in a girl's eyes when she thinks I'm attractive; I'm used to getting "the look." On the first day of class she looked …
/r/TheRedPill08/07/14 01:01 AM
7

I don't really know how to respond to this. I'm good at reading signs, I know when a girl is interested in me. But the example was meant to make a broader point, and everyone is getting hung up on the example.
/r/TheRedPill08/07/14 12:41 AM
22

Why would a girl want validation from someone she wasn't attracted to? Edit: why is this being down voted to hell? It was a genuine question, geez.
/r/TheRedPill08/07/14 12:19 AM
-4

I personally dislike Patton for trying to get women to marry, and marry young. I don't want to get married, so if women act on her advice, the pool of girls I can fuck without commitment dwindles.
/r/TheRedPill07/07/14 11:36 PM
1

Yeah, I don't get the hate going on here. Women are weaker/have to deal with cat-calls and have to take precautions men don't. That doesn't mean they think all men are rapists.
/r/TheRedPill07/07/14 05:42 AM
11

Don't be mad at women. Be mad at your former self. Women/society may have pulled the wool over your eyes, in a way, but you let them.
/r/TheRedPill07/07/14 05:15 AM
1

This is what I've been on here saying for over a year. Having a good build does more than just "help," it puts game on autopilot and brings girls to you who you'd have never even had a chance with before. And not just for tall guys. It is far and away the most important thing you can do to improve your dating life.
/r/seduction06/07/14 11:17 PM
2

FYI a lot of girls will still have sex if you tell them about your STD's. That way you get to have sex without being a lying piece of shit.
/r/seduction06/07/14 11:01 PM
0

Yes, sometimes people aren't honest. What you're talking about is giving up a lot of opportunities for sex, on the off chance you might get something that prevents you from having sex. Do you see how that's an illogical reaction based on paranoia?
/r/seduction06/07/14 09:00 PM
3

Be honest. You can't control whether or not they'll be ok with it, but they'll be more ok with it if you're straight up.
/r/seduction06/07/14 08:38 PM
0

I was trying to calm you down man. If you want to live your life being paranoid about something like this, knock yourself out.
/r/seduction06/07/14 08:21 PM
1

Like muscles, your confidence and ease in new situations will only grow as an adaptive response to stress.
/r/seduction06/07/14 02:29 PM
14

I used to have a Porsche. Didn't make a damn bit of difference.
/r/seduction06/07/14 02:05 PM
1

I'd suggest not overthinking or planning this out too much. Have confidence that it's in the bag and relax, have fun, and do whatever needs to be done to escalate when the time is right. Don't make a check list of all the places you want to touch her as the night goes on, that will just end up being an unnecessary obstacle.
/r/seduction06/07/14 01:58 PM
2

This could be anything from lack of motivation/bad mindset to a change in your appearance. You should give more info.
/r/seduction06/07/14 05:15 AM
2

Pick one thing and work on it for a while. Focus only on body language for 2 weeks, focus on teasing/being playful for a month, focus on kino for a week or two (doesn't really need to be longer), etc. Also, focus on the basics. There are only like 5 things that actually matter, everything is bullshit to make you feel like you need to buy more PUA product.
/r/seduction06/07/14 02:36 AM
0

Actually, I don't think this is accurate; it became an STD when the first treatment was invented - it was essentially a marketing tool, because if it wasn't called an STD, fewer people would have been interested in the treatment. But I really don't know what the point of your post is; it's certainly not helpful to anyone.
/r/seduction05/07/14 11:15 PM
0

So you're essentially giving up sex because of the possibility of having an uncomfortable conversation? Up until the 50 or 60's (I think, not gonna look it up), herpes wasn't considered a STD. It's not life threatening, and it doesn't impact most people in a severe way at all. Especially guys. You're freaking out, I get it, I went through a scare too. But try to have some perspective - by far the worst thing about herpes is the stigma. If you ever do happen to get it, it's really not that big a …
/r/seduction05/07/14 08:26 PM
1

Lol right
/r/seduction05/07/14 05:30 PM
1

I hate to throw this in your face, but 10 day 2's and no sex? http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/298u24/thoughts_from_daygaming_for_26_days_straight/ Maybe you're the one who should reevaluate.
/r/seduction05/07/14 05:23 PM
1

Let me ask you this, do you want a relationship? Dates are usually screening tools for relationships, so if you don't REALLY want one, you're just not going to be on the same level as the girl, and they'll pick up on that.
/r/seduction05/07/14 03:19 PM
1

You clearly haven't even made an effort to understand this subreddit.
/r/seduction04/07/14 09:58 PM
-2

Grooming is important; style really isn't IMO. If anything, I've known a lot of girls who will dock "points" for a guy who dresses too well/cares too much about style or appearance. My experience is limited to American girls (mostly), but a lot of the girls I've talked to say its a turn off for a guy to be fashionable.
/r/seduction04/07/14 09:04 PM
2

I honestly think watching episodes of Keys to the VIP is somewhat useful.
/r/seduction04/07/14 05:43 PM
1

I like this, but no one knows what a shit test is anymore.
/r/seduction04/07/14 03:23 PM
1

But what's the percentage? I think it's a waste of time - fuck yes or no, as Mark Manson says.
/r/seduction04/07/14 03:06 PM
1

That's great, but you'll notice changes before other people. Keep it up and it will be something other people comment on a lot/get jealous of. That's a great feeling.
/r/seduction04/07/14 03:01 PM
1

It's not a shit test or a way to see if you're easily discouraged (why would a girl even care about that?), it's a non-confrontational rejection. True, she probably doesn't have a boyfriend, I agree with that. But looking at this like its a test to be passed is the wrong mindset. Push forward if you like, but you're just gonna be annoying and obnoxious.
/r/seduction04/07/14 02:48 PM
1

I agree with this. I don't think you can get better at dating without focusing on it. It's bad to put any single girl on a pedestal, sure, but saying "don't try to get better with girls" is not constructive advice. Besides, OP is already doing big things in life unrelated to seduction. My advice, OP: keep going! It sounds like you're taking all the right steps, but just know it takes a while for change and improvement to really set in. Expect it to take at least 3-4 months before people start no…
/r/seduction04/07/14 12:58 PM
1

I actually think online dating is the best way to find people into BDSM, aside from private organizations that cater to it. It's far more efficient as a screening tool than trying to figure out through cold approach.
/r/seduction04/07/14 12:45 PM
2

I'm not clear on why you feel "too good" for the community. The stigma of the PUA community? Your distaste for/the stigma of casual sex? Those aren't the same thing, but you might be equating them
/r/seduction03/07/14 10:19 PM
2

They care that you're smart, ambitious, interesting, fun, funny, etc. All things that you show. If you try to impress by telling, especially "concisely," like an elevator speech, you'll just show that you're insecure enough to feel like you have to prove yourself. And the effect is only magnified with "real women."
/r/seduction02/07/14 10:12 PM
2

Picking up women is not the same as applying for a job. Scrap the entire "resume" mindset, it's toxic. Edit: sometimes I'm too pithy, so I'll add this: show, don't tell. If it's not something you can show, it probably doesn't matter.
/r/seduction02/07/14 09:24 PM
5

I know a guy who I consider really ugly (as do many others). About your height, used to be really skinny. He got into weight lifting a few years ago, and does some other interesting stuff, like rock climbing. He's dating a girl right now who I consider to be a 10. True story.
/r/seduction02/07/14 02:07 PM
1

Pursuing a relationship and choosing to love is an individual decision. If I or someone else decide that's not desirable, that's fine, not "emotionally stunted."
/r/seduction02/07/14 02:01 PM
1

Gonna have to be more involved than that. You're texting her after 2 months? You'll need a hell of a reason. Maybe say you never really forgot about her, you thought something was there. Could also say something reminded you of her but that is less likely to get a response IMO.
/r/seduction02/07/14 01:30 AM
1

But why put the effort in if the sex is easy?
/r/seduction02/07/14 12:59 AM
3

No. Sleeping with an ex is a huge red flag. Coupled with her jealousy - this girl is trouble. If you're posting about her on here, she has you under some spell - you won't be able to casually bang this girl, you'll end up liking her. And then in 6 months you'll be back crying about how she cheated on you with her ex. Don't do it man.
/r/seduction02/07/14 12:24 AM
3

Run
/r/seduction02/07/14 12:12 AM
1

Ouch. Here's my experience: yes, it can hurt you. It's a two-edged sword, just like many "attraction switches." But the right amount and combination is really case specific. Example: I'm pretty introverted, so I can get away with being more forward sexually because I'm not seen as the typical extroverted casanova. I tell my friends about all the crazy stuff I say that works, and they try it, but it doesn't go the same. Why? Because they're not me. They're far more social, and they have to combat…
/r/seduction01/07/14 11:59 PM
4

I'm calling him out on what I perceive to be a gaping hole in his "game" - his ego.
/r/seduction01/07/14 05:55 PM
1

I don't really know what kind of advice you expect to get. You're apparently the best thing since sliced bread, but you can't close one of these "10's," but there's just no more room for improvement with you. You've reached the top! Maybe try getting over yourself, shit.
/r/seduction01/07/14 05:46 PM
2

My favorite quote of all time, paraphrased slightly: "Life is a storm, my young friend. You will bask in the sunlight one moment, be shattered on the rocks the next. What makes you a man is what you do when that storm comes. You must look into it and shout as loud as you can, 'Do your worst! For I will do mine.'"
/r/seduction01/07/14 02:04 AM
2

If there's one thing I know for sure, it's that it will.
/r/seduction01/07/14 01:39 AM
1

Maybe it is a style thing. But for me, looking back, maybe the one difference between first dates that went "well" (led to sex or just a second date) and those that didn't was me bringing sex into the conversation somehow. I'm very casual and open about it when I first meet girls, but there's something about bringing it up on the first date that just doesn't work.
/r/seduction01/07/14 01:36 AM
1

You're young, right? Just hang in there man, it'll get better.
/r/seduction01/07/14 01:33 AM
3

As a general rule, if you ask a girl out for a specific day ("let's get a drink on Tuesday"), and she says she's busy but doesn't offer an alternative time to go out, she's not interested. Similarly, a girl saying "maybe" means "no." Wish I could offer more constructive advice but there's really nothing else here to comment on.
/r/seduction01/07/14 01:27 AM
1

Plenty of times first dates, or even first meetings involve sex. No "forcing" of conversations involved. A lot of it is being able to read the signals the woman is putting out. They may be leading the interaction or trying to get you to lead the interaction there. Or they may just be open to it. This was what I was alluding to in my caveat: Obviously there are grey areas here and if you do it right it won't be a deal breaker If you're not forcing it, or if she brings it up, then fine. But like I…
/r/seduction01/07/14 01:21 AM
2

I strongly disagree. Talking about sex in the context of a first date does the exact opposite of making a girl comfortable getting sexual with you. This is based on a tremendous amount of trial and error, and countless conversations with girls about this very topic. Girls are very smart when it comes to stuff like this. When you try to "subtly" bring up the topic of sex, they know you're trying to get them comfortable with the thought of sex, or aroused, or wanting it. And it makes them put up a…
/r/seduction01/07/14 01:18 AM
1

Agreed. I'm talking very specifically about forcing the conversation in a sexual direction on a first date. I just think first dates are an odd little world of their own, with their own rules.
/r/seduction01/07/14 12:28 AM
1

You don't have to talk to everyone at a party. Different methods work for different people. Experiment and see what works for you before you believe anything you read online.
/r/seduction01/07/14 12:03 AM
2

So, let me summarize this post: Girls are more picky than guys when it comes to who they'll sleep with. There's always going to be someone taller and better looking than you. So, don't try to be attractive at all. Literally the dumbest thing I've ever read.
/r/seduction30/06/14 11:58 PM
1

I'm gonna disagree with others and say if there's one surefire way to not have sex on a first date (or ever see the girl again), it's to talk about sex on a first date. Obviously there are grey areas here and if you do it right it won't be a deal breaker, but in general it's a terrible idea. Why? It comes off as presumptuous, among a slew of other reasons. If you're looking for fast sex, don't go on dates.
/r/seduction30/06/14 11:54 PM
1

I'm on the intellectual side too. I soaked up way too much bs when I got started and I still believe things that probably limit me - like, I have to go through attraction, qualification, and comfort before I ask for a number. Bullshit - who made up that rule?
/r/seduction29/06/14 11:50 PM
0

Dear god no.
/r/seduction29/06/14 10:59 PM
2

The girls probably didn't leave because you started asking questions; they probably left because they weren't interested. Don't take the wrong lessons away from your interactions. It's ok to ask typical questions, just don't pepper girls with a string of yes/no questions or questions that only require 1 word answers.
/r/seduction29/06/14 06:24 PM
1

Sounds like you let perfection become the enemy of greatness. You could have just asked for her number and then left. I'd wager you're reading so much PUA material it's getting you stuck in your head. Seriously, if you're to the point that you can approach, you don't need to read anything else. It will only hurt you, like it did here.
/r/seduction29/06/14 06:19 PM
1

Classy beats flashy 6 days a week and twice on Sunday. Took me years to accept this simple truth.
/r/seduction29/06/14 06:10 PM
3

That was honest validation. It's very powerful, but very difficult to use within the context of male-female seduction, because girls know guys want to get in their pants. But if you can figure out how to use it, the sky is the limit.
/r/seduction28/06/14 08:32 PM
1

Access
/r/seduction28/06/14 08:21 PM
1

Yeah, the white collar professional thing plays well. Alternatively, the rebellious thing also plays well with first and second generation Asian-American girls. Tattoos, beards, motorcycles, etc. but don't change yourself to play to that.
/r/seduction25/06/14 02:13 AM
1

Ramp up the whiteness? The more "classically white" you look the better IMO.
/r/seduction25/06/14 01:28 AM
2

Curious what the exact situation you have in mind is.
/r/seduction25/06/14 01:25 AM
1

I'm still trying to forget the limiting ideas I learned reading and watching PUA material. So many small things you don't even realize until you hang out with naturals...I wish I could start with a blank slate.
/r/seduction21/06/14 11:40 PM
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Who cares? That's both a question and an answer.
/r/seduction17/06/14 06:26 PM
1

5'8". Wasn't always good with girls, though I have always been told I was good looking. I've always been insecure about my height. I wear boots when I go out; they give me an extra 2 inches and that helps a lot. I've pulled several girls who were taller than me when I wasn't wearing the boots...I try to avoid letting them see me without the boots in the morning lol. I also refuse to approach girls who are obviously taller than me. Most girls are shorter than me, and I like girls who are under 5'…
/r/seduction17/06/14 06:24 PM
3

I'm gonna disagree with people saying he's just "more confident." (Talk about head in the sand.) Long story short: yes, it is that superficial. Tattoos, beards, haircuts, clothes, piercings, muscles, fast vehicles - any of these, if done right, can make a big difference. And ya know, it doesn't really matter why.
/r/seduction16/06/14 04:21 AM
3

Probably gonna get moved to askseddit, but if it were me I'd ask for a FWB type of deal. Then don't be needy or jealous, enjoy the casual sex, talk/date/hookup with other girls (very important, or else you'll fall victim to neediness and jealousy), and let her come to you. It's not that she doesn't want sex; she doesn't want the obligations of a relationship. BUT girls can't sleep with a guy for a sustained period of time without developing feelings. So give her sex without obligations until she…
/r/seduction13/06/14 03:08 PM
3

I agree with this. Confidence is "I'll be fine whether she likes me or not...because if she doesn't, there are 5 other girls in this bar that will." You will not "be fine" if girls don't like you. That's why people come to seddit - to increase the quality and quantity of girls they can attract. They're NOT ok with their sexual market value at the moment. Truly being confident with women very much boils down to being valuable to them.
/r/seduction13/06/14 03:02 PM
1

You're confusing "approval seeking behavior" and being "non-reactive". The former basically means not trying to impress someone, whether it be through bragging or supplication. The latter basically means, don't base all of your self-esteem on whether or not a girl likes you. That way, if she does something that would mess with your head or your confidence, you either just ignore it or walk away.
/r/seduction06/06/14 07:41 PM
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To anyone who hasn't been to a bar yet, don't do this. He's joking. As are the other guys, I think....
/r/seduction04/06/14 03:01 PM
0

What were the negs?
/r/seduction01/06/14 05:33 PM
1

Volunteer. Think no-kill animal shelters.
/r/seduction30/05/14 03:34 PM
1

I don't think you actually do realize what your problem is. It's not that you can't "hold a frame," it's that you're in your head trying to hold a frame. You need to stop believing that you have to impress people. That should take all this pressure off of you.
/r/seduction29/05/14 10:31 PM
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Whatever the other posters are saying in this thread, I think this is one of the most pointless things you could do. If you make eye contact and smile on accident and without thinking about it, then whatever - is that an approach invitation? Maybe, maybe not, but seriously who gives a fuck. If a girl has her nose stuck in a book and you want to talk to her, go talk to her, don't see if she'll smile at you when she catches you looking. Don't believe everything you read on seddit. Not to knock sed…
/r/seduction29/05/14 12:38 PM
1

I generally think TRP material greatly overcomplicates things, and this provokes the same reaction in me. (I know you said you hadn't posted it there yet, but it has that TRP stink). I mean, you're right...I just hate always being in my head trying to remember how to control shit. So, my contribution is this: you can accomplish the same goal by saying both. If you catch yourself whining, and you don't want to seem insecure, follow up by explaining why you're upset. That tends to take the whining…
/r/seduction29/05/14 06:32 AM
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Why would you do this? Just approach her. Staring and smiling is creepy.
/r/seduction29/05/14 01:25 AM
19

The importance of lifting weights. Make her decide fast - it's either yes or no, don't hang out in the "maybe." If you don't get a fast "yes", move on. Don't try to play hard to get. You're a man - be the hunter, not the prey.
/r/seduction29/05/14 01:21 AM
9

I met her a a dance while drunk, went back to her place and fell in love. Well that escalated quickly.
/r/seduction28/05/14 10:09 PM
1

Ha, no one would ever accuse me of being a bad boy.
/r/seduction28/05/14 07:52 PM
10

I think you're overthinking this.
/r/seduction27/05/14 11:07 PM
3

So first, I don't think those traits are all that rare. Like, at all. Second, how can you know whether or not a girl even has those traits without dating her? Are you discounting girls based on some small thing they do that you don't like?
/r/seduction26/05/14 10:36 PM
1

There's no need to text in between. I would just text when you're ready to ask. If she won't recognize your number, make sure to say your name in the text - like "hey, it's applberrie, ..."
/r/seduction26/05/14 06:13 PM
5

I just "accidentally" throw footballs at girls. It doesn't work very well.
/r/seduction26/05/14 05:59 PM
1

If it was me, I'd ask her to go for a drink, and I'd make it clear that it would just be me and her. I'd also want to make my interest in her clear before the date, just to eliminate any small chance that she'd feel surprised to learn that it was a date. I might phrase the text like this: "hey, so I know I said I wanted to get a drink with both you and [your mutual friend], but to be honest, I think you're cute and I really just want to get a drink with you. Are you free this week?"
/r/seduction26/05/14 05:55 PM
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Well, if we're playing this game, here are some random lines that I've heard (in action, not as jokes) that I thought were hilarious: "You're really attractive...that's a good thing, it means we have something in common" (probably only works if you're not traditionally attractive) "Happy Saturday!" (or whatever day of the week it is - use it like you're saying "Cheers!" and clink glasses if the girl is standing beside you) There's one more that I can't think of right now, might return to edit...
/r/seduction26/05/14 04:49 AM
1

You're probably going to be asked to move this to askseddit, but yes, it sounds like she likes you. Those are all very good signs she's interested. Further, as a general rule, if a bunch of other people are telling you a girl is interested in you - and especially if any of those people are girls - believe them. And finally, this is where the whole "assume attraction" thing is really useful - if you can't tell, just (cautiously) act as if. You should feel confident enough to ask her on a proper d…
/r/seduction26/05/14 04:44 AM
1

Where do you live?
/r/seduction25/05/14 08:00 PM
1

This is so true. We think that girls are turned off by nervousness, but that's not really the case, unless it lasts for too long. On the approach though, it's totally fine, even a good thing to be nervous. I'll go so far as to say "I'm pretty nervous right now," and usually the girl will understand and give me leeway. I think that "pedestaling" comes from insecurity and sucking up, not really from nervousness.
/r/seduction25/05/14 01:11 AM
2

The bars you describe are my bread and butter. My line, almost always, is "Hi, how are you?" Then ask her name. That's it; works great in this type of venue - it projects more confidence than trying to come up with the right line, I think. As far as 2 sets, you need a wing.
/r/seduction24/05/14 08:35 PM
3

Yes, but you can do a couple of things about it. Try to reduce/eliminate it. See a dermatologist and experiment with different treatments. For example, I break out really bad using any kind of acne wash or medication. I used to get outbreaks and use like Neutrogena, and it got worse, so I'd wash my face more - vicious cycle. I stopped washing my face with anything but bland bar soap and it got better. So, try different things for like 2 weeks. Try changing your diet, too - caffeine and dairy mak…
/r/seduction24/05/14 07:29 PM
3

So sad. To anyone who has ever had any thoughts like this, know a couple of things: first, it gets better. Second, you can become anything you want, including the type of person that you're jealous of now (or even better than them). And third, if you have thoughts of death or suicide, please seek help. Life is a beautiful thing, full of endless opportunity and potential. Don't cut it short.
/r/seduction24/05/14 07:21 PM
1

Yeah, I agree with you on this. I don't mean to sounds like I think a man gives all his approval away on the approach. In fact, I think that a chase is ALWAYS involved, whatever traditionally attractive archetype we're talking about. Approval is meted out slowly, as the girl earns it more and more. That's fundamental. My thinking is more focused on the use of disapproval, and the role it plays in the bad boy archetype. I agree that bad boys are known for manipulative tactics - in effect, the use…
/r/seduction24/05/14 07:02 PM
1

I understand and appreciate all of these points. My point, though, is that the bad boy traits you describe are not what initially seduces the girl. Validation games like this only work once there's investment. Basically, what I see you saying, is that the bad boy archetype is seductive because they use negs and takeaways. My experience with negs - true negs, not innocuous jokes - is that they flat out don't work. When a 10 is acting rude, I think that calling her on her BS (being authentic) is i…
/r/seduction23/05/14 08:25 PM
1

Well this is insanely limiting. My main rule for approaching is to make sure I touch a girl on the arm or something to get her attention before I start saying something. I don't like hitting on girls who are walking or sitting either, but sometimes that's your only choice. We should be talking about how to make those approaches more successful, not making up rules that you can never do it.
/r/seduction23/05/14 05:05 PM
6

Yes. You aren't the only good looking guy out there, hate to break it to you lol. It's a small ego boost to be checked out, but it's meaningless unless you do something about it.
/r/seduction23/05/14 04:59 PM
10

Yeah, you probably didn't do anything wrong OP. They just didn't see you as relationship material. It's a very individualized decision on the part of every girl, so they very well might have all had different reasons. Many of the generalizations we make about attraction break down after 1 or 2 dates because you're getting past the evolutionarily programmed "attraction is not a choice" stuff to the very individualized and idiosyncratic preferences of different girls.
/r/seduction23/05/14 04:23 PM
1

Not necessarily. Depends on the guy. Some guys need to work really hard in lots of different areas of their life to attract women (I'm thinking of guys who build up a lot of personal wealth and status to get girls). A lot of guys don't have to do much of anything though. And before we go and say it's unfair that some guys have to work so hard, keep in mind that it's generally easier for an unattractive man to make himself attractive than it is for an unattractive woman to make herself attractive…
/r/seduction23/05/14 04:03 PM
1

A couple of responses to this: First, this isn't really about saying every thing that comes to mind, it's about not manipulating. But more than that, I always ask myself WHY I want to say something, like a compliment. If I just have an overwhelming urge to tell a girl she's attractive, then I'm probably going to say it (if only because I'm pretty conceited and think I'm good enough to break the rules, even my own). That's rarely the case though, at least with me. I used to compliment on the open…
/r/seduction23/05/14 12:47 AM
1

Haha I was unpleasant for a while too. The method is more about eliminating bad behaviors than it is about pushing the limits of social propriety. But I had to go from one extreme end of the spectrum to the other end before I found a good middle.
/r/seduction23/05/14 12:37 AM
2

Maybe another distinction will be helpful: the typical abusive bad boy some people are referring to can seem pretty genuine, and that's why that archetype is more successful than a stereotypical nice guy. There are certainly complexities with regard to validation that my definition of "bad boy" doesn't take in to account, but that's because I don't find those complexities suitable for a consistent method of seduction. Moreover, my experience with the bad boy archetype is that they do just fine w…
/r/seduction22/05/14 11:26 PM
1

Cool. I hadn't even heard of those books when I wrote this, and I still haven't read them, so any similarity is accidental.
/r/seduction22/05/14 11:00 PM
1

True, but you have to be careful about perceptions. Funny rules apply when you're trying to seduce a woman, and you have to be extra cautious to seem genuine, because they're so used to guys trying to get into their pants by being disingenuous.
/r/seduction22/05/14 10:58 PM
1

I'm a bit confused about the timing you're talking about here, but I vote before any commitment. If the FC is the same night you meet, I'm of the opinion that she won't expect anything long term anyways, so I would not tell her in that case. I'd tell her if you're getting a number with the intention to meet again, and I wouldn't tell her until it's clear that she's not going home with you that night.
/r/seduction22/05/14 06:09 PM
1

The United States...lol I won't get more specific than that. I should also mention that compliments have a time and a place, just not at the beginning of an interaction IMO. Maybe like 20 or 30 minutes after you've been talking to a girl.
/r/seduction22/05/14 05:06 PM
0

Ah, I see. Neither. Think of it like this - in a bar or club, the fact that you approach signals that you're interested in the girl. You don't have to explain it at all, the context does the talking. If you do explain it, you run the risk of seeming manipulative - like you're trying to win the girl over through compliments. My go-to pick up line is "Hi, how are you? I'm Tombstone31." We exchange names, then get into small talk - where are you from, what do you do, etc. From that point on, though…
/r/seduction22/05/14 05:01 PM
2

It's more than just the approach. We talk about leading on seddit, yes? At every step along the way, every time you lead, every time you make a move, you're giving approval. Going for a make out gives A LOT of approval. This isn't even debatable - if you're going to seduce, you have to give approval. Your second paragraph is about relationship dynamics, not cold approach. You're trying to change the context of what I'm talking about. Edit: I should also mention that while in your head, you might…
/r/seduction22/05/14 04:54 PM
1

Whoa, way too broad and complicated for me to answer. Can you narrow it down?
/r/seduction22/05/14 04:30 PM
1

You're really setting up a false dichotomy. Both behaviors are low value.
/r/seduction22/05/14 04:18 PM
1

I'm keenly aware of the distinction, but manipulation is manipulation. Picking up a girl is like being a car salesman. There are lots of different ways to try to manipulate someone into buying the product - you can be saccharine, or you can be elitist and exclusive (think snobby Ferrari dealer), for example. Being exclusive is better, but that façade crumbles rather quickly - the second the elitist shows interest, the challenge is over and you've won. And then the Ferrari dealer becomes just lik…
/r/seduction22/05/14 04:10 PM
3

Like I said, this is what I used to think. But you're wrong. First, even if it's true, it can't apply to cold approach. It's stupid and pointless to act hard to get when you're already hitting on a girl - that's a game you'll lose every time. But the badboy archetype does quite well in cold approach - think Tucker Max. So there has to be different a reason, and the reason is that the badboy archetype is so indifferent that he does not seek approval and validation. Like I pointed out, there are m…
/r/seduction22/05/14 03:57 PM
3

Have you noticed a big difference in talking with women since figuring out this bad boy theory? (Being genuine and such) It has made a huge difference. I used to have trouble closing the deal with girls. I could get them attracted, make out, date, all that, but I could never sleep with them. I could sense that it was because they could see through my bullshit. We as guys assume that girls want relationships. So I would act as if I was courting girls for relationships (including how I complimente…
/r/seduction22/05/14 02:26 PM
2

I wish I could sum it in nicely in a tl;dr. I know it's really long. If you read the comments you'll get a sense if what it's about, but it's really a comprehensive theory of the "why's" of seduction that goes much deeper than nice guys and assholes. The end message is "be authentic" but I don't think you can understand all that I mean by that, or why it's so important, without reading the whole thing.
/r/seduction22/05/14 02:03 PM
3

Right, I alluded to this when I said it took me so long to realize all this because humans aren't consistent like we'd like. Girls like bad boys because they're less manipulative. But they're obviously capable of lying and cheating.
/r/seduction22/05/14 01:03 AM
5

First, you have to be trustworthy. Tell an unflattering story, admit to a flaw, be humble - all of these things help, and are more endearing than trying to act like a superhero. Going overboard on humility is a mistake in the opposite direction, though, and will play the same way bragging does. Appearing selective is pretty complicated, I think. You can't be seen hitting on every woman in the bar. I generally spend a lot of time talking to the girls I'm hitting on, which helps I think. If you ge…
/r/seduction21/05/14 11:43 PM
1

No
/r/seduction20/05/14 05:59 PM
1

The difference is intent. Are you just saying how you actually feel, or are you saying something to try to get a girl to like you back? Example 1: You tell a girl you just met how much you like her or her personality. In this case, you're saying it to make her like you. You don't know her, you have no idea what her personality is like. This is needy, because you're trying to control how she feels about you. Example 2: You tell a girl you just met that you think she's hot as shit and you want to …
/r/seduction20/05/14 05:55 PM
1

Approaching should come before learning to be vulnerable.
/r/seduction20/05/14 05:48 PM
1

I used to be like this. I thought it was because I was insecure about my level of experience, so I made an effort to get a lot more experience. And that did the trick for me - even if a girl has been with more guys than I have girls (which is rare at this point), it doesn't bother me. I'm secure with my number, so I don't care what anyone else's is.
/r/seduction20/05/14 03:37 AM
1

I've been going out for probably an average of 2 nights a week for the past 4 years (I've had periods where I didn't go out at all for months and periods where I went out 7 nights a week for months). All bars/clubs, no day game. Some social circle game, but I tend to exhaust whatever talent can be found in a social circle really fast/I do well enough in bars to not feel motivated to invest in the number of female friendships one has to cultivate to really make social circles a self-sustaining re…
/r/seduction20/05/14 03:32 AM
5

http://markmanson.net/std-guide Tl;dr: std's are either curable (in which case who gives a fuck), rare, or essentially impossible for heterosexual men to get (HIV). Get some Gardasil shots and sow your oats.
/r/seduction20/05/14 03:16 AM
15

It's important to pay attention to how you explain what you do. Calling yourself a "successful lawyer" is gag-worthy bragging. Just say you're a lawyer. And when you say it, don't stand back and act like the girl should suck your dick because you have such a high status career, because that also comes off as bragging. You should talk about what you do the same way you talk about where you're from.
/r/seduction19/05/14 09:47 PM
1

I like this a lot. I haven't had good results using puaCurveBall's method; I think it comes off as more pushy, and girls tend to just re-state or rephrase their initial irrelevant objection. This "bluff-call" strikes me as more "real." Will definitely try this.
/r/seduction19/05/14 05:41 PM
1

You realize that "friend zone" doesn't actually mean a girl sees you as a friend, right? It's just a less confrontational way to reject you.
/r/seduction19/05/14 03:46 PM
2

Maybe they're staring at you because you smell bad... That's a joke.
/r/seduction18/05/14 06:54 PM
2

This blog has the potential to be the best source of information on the internet on the subject of how to meet women. I really hope it catches on here.
/r/seduction16/05/14 09:06 PM
1

Try okc - mass message and just ask girls if they want to hook up. I've heard of guys basically walking around a bar and asking all the girls if they want to fuck until one of them agrees. I've never tried it, though I want to one day. I've had success asking at the end of the night (right before we part ways) and asking via text between the pickup and the first date. Being bored with conversation is another issue...
/r/seduction13/05/14 08:28 PM
1

Well if they're funny you can totally say it.
/r/seduction13/05/14 08:19 PM
1

I really doubt that your actual thoughts are so messed up that you'd offend. Unless it's sexist or racist (is it?), you can go a lot farther than you probably think. I've said stuff like, "I like really short, petite girls because when I'm having sex with them, I feel like I could kill them," and "I think murder and rape exist in modern culture because they're evolutionarily advantageous to humans. That doesn't make it right, but it makes it natural." Can you top that?
/r/seduction13/05/14 07:37 PM
2

Is it really that hard? Reading your other posts, it's pretty clear to me that you're not a nice guy who has been conditioned by society to suppress what you want. You know exactly what you want; you haven't forgotten or lost sight of it. Instead, manipulation is so ingrained in you that you can't step back and say something honest. Even this response to my post is kind of manipulative. You wont get anything until you stop manipulating/trying to control. You have to just say "fuck it" and let th…
/r/seduction13/05/14 10:14 AM
1

The thing is, girls will sniff this out every. single. time. And you won't get laid, because even if they're attracted to you and would be ok with having casual sex, they won't trust you. So if you want to get laid, it in fact is your responsibility to manage her expectations.
/r/seduction13/05/14 09:56 AM
1

What? First, you're only 24; you can't possibly expect to make as much as a 45 year old guy. Second, money really isn't very important to women; you can do just fine without making much. Finally, why you think you can associate how hot a girl is to how much money she makes is beyond me.
/r/seduction12/05/14 05:22 PM
12

I think you're missing the point of being "genuine." It's not about being nice. It's not about getting a girlfriend. It's about quite literally saying what you feel, whatever that is. It works just as well for having strange sex as it does for getting into relationships. So when you say, "I want to be an asshole and get laid," well, then be a selfish asshole, do what you want, and tell girls you want to fuck. If you think PUA stuff will work better, then give it a try...but I doubt you'll have a…
/r/seduction12/05/14 05:11 PM
2

Well, in that case, I think it's a terrible idea. You should never try to mimic someone else, especially a TV character. You won't be able to act like him, it will come off as unnatural, and your competition will run circles around you because they won't be caught up in their heads trying to figure out what a fictional character would do. The kinds of lessons you should take away from other people should be principled, like "respect" and "honesty". Never try to adopt someone else's personality.
/r/seduction11/05/14 12:47 AM
1

There are a lot of lessons you can learn from Draper, but you should specify what you have in mind when you say the "Don Draper Method."
/r/seduction11/05/14 12:23 AM
5

So, you want to find a nerdy girl because they're similar to you, but being yourself doesn't do the trick? Do you see a contradiction here bro?
/r/seduction10/05/14 09:13 PM
3

Short answer: No. Long answer: depends on what you think normal guys should do. Lots of guys think they need to DHV. I don't think they should, but a good looking guy definitely shouldn't. I'm not sure what else you had in mind, if anything. You probably can't just walk up and say "let's fuck"...but if you do, please write a FR for the lulz.
/r/seduction10/05/14 08:56 PM
2

In this situation, yes. If it's a random girl: she's probably cock blocking you because her friend's not interested.
/r/seduction10/05/14 12:41 AM
1

Pictures.
/r/seduction09/05/14 08:58 PM
1

It can be a nice thing in some circumstances; it can come off as needy or whatever in others. So there's a risk in giving her flowers. But there's no risk in NOT giving her flowers. A girl won't expect them until you've been exclusive for a while. So why give them?
/r/seduction08/05/14 03:52 PM
8

I'd wait to do flowers until you're exclusive. It's just a risk-reward thing.
/r/seduction08/05/14 03:04 PM
1

Bragging is a turn-off in the USA too.
/r/seduction08/05/14 01:06 PM
3

My understanding of DHV stories is that you tell a random story that on the surface is about one thing, but is really only told so that you can hint at certain "attraction switches," like being popular, preselected, or wealthy. Telling an interesting story is just telling an interesting story. And being funny is part of being attractive as well.
/r/seduction07/05/14 10:39 PM
1

That's part of it, but not the whole package. Confidence and authenticity (which are two sides of the same coin) will get you much, much farther than anything in MM. This is said from experience - both mine and many other sedditors.
/r/seduction07/05/14 10:34 PM
2

Mystery Method is debunked. Attractive is something you are, not something you do. DHV stories, or thinly veiled attempts at bragging, don't make girls like you; if anything, they betray your inferiority complex and come off as try hard. Keep reading seddit, the answers are here.
/r/seduction07/05/14 10:28 PM
14

There's a reason we preach authenticity here.
/r/seduction07/05/14 06:31 PM
1

IDK man, this honestly seems fine to me. I've had a ton of nights like this, especially when I was younger. I don't see any deal breakers. Don't let it fuck with your head, act like you did everything right (because you did) and see if you can close later.
/r/seduction07/05/14 01:30 AM
2

Well, that's a lifestyle issue, not a viewpoint issue. I guess it's ok to check to see if they're, e.g., a democrat or republican or whatever, if that really matters to you. The sticking point is when you really dig in to the hot issues of the day. I live in a very political city, so I've dated several girls who work in politics in one way or another. For most of them, if they meet a guy who wants to talk about politics, it's a turn off, even though they're interested in politics, and even if th…
/r/seduction06/05/14 05:51 PM
1

Sure, if it's important to you that your gf have similar political views as you. Seems like a silly thing to emphasize to me, though. Some of my best friends have radically different views than me; I have a great time with them though. Same goes for past relationships.
/r/seduction06/05/14 04:22 PM
2

Should also mention that this has been clinically shown to improve happiness/optimism. Also, watch who you hang out with. If they're negative or put you down, maybe that's the cause. Just throwing that out there; good luck.
/r/seduction06/05/14 02:51 PM
3

Yes, you can change your mindset. The most concrete bit of advice I can give you is when you wake up (or maybe before you go to sleep if you're not a morning person), make a list of 5 things you're thankful for in your life. Every morning. You can never repeat the same thing twice on your list. Just reading this post it seems that you have a lot of good things in your life - you're at a university, you have not one but two jobs, you're 6' tall, you're in shape, you can get girls to go on dates w…
/r/seduction06/05/14 02:03 PM
3

By all means, experiment and see what works. You shouldn't believe anything you read on the internet without proof anyways, whether I or someone else post it.
/r/seduction06/05/14 06:13 AM
2

These are fair points. I guess I'm just not convinced that it can make a difference one way or the other. It's not that I'm against opening up, I just never felt that doing it when I first met a girl made an impact. Perhaps you have different experiences though. We all have our weak points that we overcome, so we all have different lessons to impart. Thanks for sharing.
/r/seduction06/05/14 06:06 AM
2

See my last comment. Also, I think you misunderstood. I said she didn't "like" you enough to see you again. That could mean she's physically attracted but can tell you won't be a good match for her.
/r/seduction06/05/14 05:40 AM
2

See, in my experience, there are just a handful of things that actually spark attraction. I never got how making a girl experience a full range of emotions had anything to do with it. Kinda besides the point though, I guess. My thoughts on the OP are this: a date is an opportunity for a girl to get to know you better, and vice versa. A girl will decide whether or not to go on a date with you based on your potential. It doesn't make sense that a girl would flake due to your failure to tell vulner…
/r/seduction06/05/14 05:39 AM
2

Given this There was a lot of attraction based on social value and the emotional variety I was creating for her I think you and I have very different ideas of what attraction means.
/r/seduction06/05/14 05:11 AM
5

Girls flake because they don't like you enough to see you again, not because you didn't force some kind of connection.
/r/seduction06/05/14 05:01 AM
1

Interests and commonalities are not important. Girls care more about your vibe and personality - are you funny, adventurous, nerdy, macho, playful, etc. etc. You don't have to change yourself at all, and you don't have to restrict your dating pool.
/r/seduction06/05/14 02:58 AM
9

Talking about TV is awful conversation. I'm really into sports, but I bore girls when I talk about it. Even when I find girls that like sports, you can only talk about it for like 5 minutes. I've never had a conversation about music with a girl. Please don't talk about politics (or religion). It's boring to a lot of people, and is likely to start a fight and engender bitterness for people who are really into it. Major props to Juggler for what I'm about to say: Good conversation centers on one t…
/r/seduction06/05/14 02:40 AM
1

Did you have this problem before you found the seduction community?
/r/seduction06/05/14 02:18 AM
1

Ok, seriously though, kissing on a first date is just a hard thing to read. If you don't do it with some girls, you're fucked; if you do it with other girls, you're fucked. If you're feeling the girl, go for it, but don't be butthurt if she turns her cheek or something, just smile and say "I had to try" or something. Getting rejected on a kiss won't burn you with any girl, if that's your only false move.
/r/seduction06/05/14 02:04 AM
11

Pictures!
/r/seduction05/05/14 10:47 PM
0

This really isn't important. Focus on other things.
/r/seduction05/05/14 06:55 PM
3

I like this a lot. Wish this was the emphasis, instead of using kino as a tactic.
/r/seduction05/05/14 06:44 PM
13

I come off less like a player than my extroverted friends, even though I sleep with way more girls. So I never get the "are you a player" shit test. Girls are more willing to hook up with me because they think they're the only ones. If they're hesitant about going home with me, I just say "I don't do this very often," and that makes them feel like they're not just 1 in a sea of girls. And last, I like to be upfront and tell girls I just want to hook up. My friends are well aware of this tactic, …
/r/seduction05/05/14 06:31 PM
-1

It's almost like kino generally does more harm than good. Wish someone on seddit had been saying that for months... Edit because I'm dyslexic today.
/r/seduction05/05/14 05:34 PM
13

I'm an introvert and do great at bars. I use it to my advantage and can get away with things my really extroverted friends can't. But I agree with the sentiment here; you definitely don't have to force yourself to be an extrovert to get girls.
/r/seduction05/05/14 05:19 PM
7

Your odds of getting laid if you're honest about what you want are a lot better than you think. Give it a try; if they're stringing you along waiting for a commitment, you don't have anything to lose anyway.
/r/seduction05/05/14 01:23 AM
4

If you can't get a nice one, don't get one. It's better to have no smell than to smell like cheap cologne.
/r/seduction04/05/14 04:31 PM
2

Why are you so focused on kissing? Focus on getting laid. This isn't just a goal, it's a strategy. If you're focused on getting laid, you'll focus more on building attraction, comfort, and sexual tension. Once the tension is high enough, kissing will just happen, without you having to really think about it. Kissing, in turn, is really just a checkpoint on the road to your true goal.
/r/seduction04/05/14 04:13 PM
8

National Geographic on alpha male behavior: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lclu-BQOybU
/r/seduction04/05/14 03:56 PM
0

Yes! Also, when guys on here say that working out is useful because it makes you more confident, the underlying message is that you can get the same results without working out. This is just delusional and lazy. Being in shape makes things so much easier. Just fucking do it.
/r/seduction03/05/14 11:33 PM
1

I mean, you can call it what you want. But I don't think kino has anything to do with attraction. It's useful in flirting because it's a subtle way of saying "I'm attracted to you." It's useful in building sexual tension because it's a subtle way of saying "I want to fuck you tonight." It's probably useful in other ways too; for example, I guess it's useful in showing that you're comfortable in your own skin and not afraid to touch other people. But if a girl is on the fence about you, or she's …
/r/seduction03/05/14 07:46 PM
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I bash confidence because I never found value in being told that I should be more confident. That's like telling a starving man not to be hungry. At the end of the day, yes, it is important to be confident. But it's not good advice. And no, working out makes you more physically attractive. The benefits of working out are only remotely related to confidence.
/r/seduction03/05/14 07:13 PM
3

Kino is good for sexualizing things, and for showing your intent, don't get me wrong. But I've seen so many of my PUA friends try to use too much kino, too early, to try to get a girl to like them - and it always backfires. I have to speak up when I see threads like this.
/r/seduction03/05/14 06:02 PM
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The answers you're going to get are stupid. You really think you can just ignore how much you're attracted to a girl and convince yourself you don't give a fuck? Self delusion is a nice idea, but it doesn't work. Confidence is really overrated on this sub. (Confidence, as I understand it, is a feeling of knowledge and control - like you KNOW you're going to do well with a girl. Ever time I feel like I know anything about how a girl will react to me, I'm in for a rude awakening.) Outcome independ…
/r/seduction03/05/14 05:41 PM
-1

Kino doesn't build attraction. HTH.
/r/seduction03/05/14 05:23 PM
1

Clearly it did, because when I stopped giving a fuck, I got more matches.
/r/seduction02/05/14 04:54 PM
1

I don't know what a virgin OP is.
/r/seduction02/05/14 04:53 PM
1

Thanks man!
/r/seduction02/05/14 04:53 PM
1

lol it was...
/r/seduction02/05/14 04:53 PM
1

Ok that's fair. I work out and dress well and everybody I've ever met tells me I'm good looking, like seriously I cause car wrecks every time I step outside. But all of my pictures are from my photo shoots, so they're all inside - maybe I should get some outside pics? I just don't know what I'm doing wrong, and I feel like this is a really big test of how attractive my personality is.
/r/seduction02/05/14 04:14 AM
1

Are you calling me fat?
/r/seduction02/05/14 04:04 AM
1

FUCK man, what's your secret? Maybe my tag line game is slacking? Or maybe my pics just aren't on point? I spent about an hour taking 1,224 selfies, trying to get one I liked, but I think in the one I picked, my left nostril is flaring a bit. Is that a deal breaker to chicks?
/r/seduction02/05/14 03:46 AM
0

Harsh but fair.
/r/seduction02/05/14 03:33 AM
1

I actually found a post of yours that I liked - that 13 things I hate about seddit one. So I'll leave you alone. I assume this is happyjerk. If not, stop sucking other dudes' dicks.
/r/seduction02/05/14 01:50 AM
1

How on earth did he get you laid? He made two substantive posts, both of which were about texting. Sad to see him go though. He kinda had sociopathic tendencies...so at least he was fun.
/r/seduction02/05/14 12:36 AM
1

By definition, it's weird. It's extremely rare for guys to approach girls on the street, so if you do it, you're doing something really unusual - i.e., weird. BUUUUUUTTTTTTTTTTT Does that matter? It's a free country (world?), and you can do what you want. Weird doesn't mean it wont work or be worth your time.
/r/seduction01/05/14 11:57 PM
1

She likes you, dummy.
/r/seduction01/05/14 11:37 PM
1

Do YOU really think that a girl would walk away from a guy she's interested in because he stops to talk to his cousin for 30 seconds? I think she walked away because he pushed the debt thing too hard.
/r/seduction01/05/14 09:53 PM
-1

The whole "debt" thing is a no-go. It doesn't sound like it was a flirty excuse to make out; instead, you were actually holding it over her head. By definition that's manipulative, and betrays a lack of belief in yourself that this girl would hook up with you because she liked you. It's also pretty creepy IMO.
/r/seduction01/05/14 04:22 AM
1

Because it's the line seddit needs, but not the one it deserves right now.
/r/seduction30/04/14 09:07 PM
1

Good job missing the point.
/r/seduction30/04/14 06:25 PM
18

How about instead of just shitting in every thread, you offer something helpful? All you ever say is "this won't work" and "be confident." You literally never give concrete advice. As far as I can tell, you never even talk to girls. Your posts just clog up this sub with meaningless noise.
/r/seduction30/04/14 05:51 PM
2

You could criticize every single post in seddit like this. No one remembers the details. I'm not even sure I'm reporting exactly the words that he told me. Nor am I sure that I report any conversation I myself have exactly the way it went down. Why not just take every post on seddit down, since it can never truly capture the moment? Just because I might be paraphrasing, and he might be paraphrasing, doesn't make this useless or dangerous. And a single anecdote doesn't help anyone? Well hell, let…
/r/seduction30/04/14 03:10 PM
1

Whoa. This is ludicrous. How is me reporting on something that I haven't tried myself bad for /r/seduction? I didn't make this up. It's an awesome story that I found a lot of inspiration in. Sounds like you're removing it because you don't like it, which is both short sighted and egotistical. I'm at a loss for how this is anything but good for seddit, even if you personally don't agree with it.
/r/seduction30/04/14 02:54 PM
1

Man...I feel the complete opposite after sex. And the more random and meaningless, the better (usually). I love the feeling of conquest - I feel like I can walk on air for days. Not saying you're wrong or anything. Maybe I'm emotionally stunted or something. I've just never experienced this feeling. But yeah, being authentic is great though.
/r/seduction30/04/14 03:27 AM
4

This. Timing is everything. I personally haven't had much success using any kind of compliment as an opener in night game. I do infinitely better just going with "hi" for whatever reason - I decided a while ago that it was because the compliment wasn't coming off as genuine. But if you're going to use a compliment as an opener, "cute" or "hot" is probably the way to go. I like to say "sexy" as a way to indicate sexual interest - i.e., early on in a "relationship" with a girl (so like, pick up th…
/r/seduction30/04/14 03:01 AM
2

Right, at least on seddit. But when people think of "PUA," they think of the game and Mystery Method and other PUA sites. I think it's important to distinguish between the two.
/r/seduction29/04/14 09:12 PM
7

It's great that you think these things, but you're adding your own gloss to what traditional pickup is about, from an objective standpoint. Traditional pickup is about trying to manipulate social rules and cues to sleep with girls. Mystery Method and it's ilk are not about self improvement - it's not about improving your social skills, confidence, courage, or appearance. It's about using lines; adopting a fake persona; manipulation of ideas like "qualification" and "alpha-ness"; and essentially …
/r/seduction29/04/14 08:14 PM
5

This isn't true though. You just haven't mastered the difference between genuine interest and desperate interest. Your reaction is an oversimplification. The difference is really a matter of experience. Once you've dated enough to know that any initial feelings of lust will subside, and that any girl that seems perfect really isn't, you'll be better able to have reasonable feelings for just 1 girl without scaring her away. That's what girls want.
/r/seduction29/04/14 02:24 PM
1

I meant "decent" as in cool. Like, he's likeable, but he doesn't know how to dress himself. Not "decent" as in like morally pure or something. We can agree to disagree...but I'm right :). I hope this little tidbit doesn't backfire on you one day.
/r/seduction28/04/14 08:08 PM
1

No, they won't. They'll think he's a decent guy who doesn't dress well. Girls forgive a lot of lame behaviors if you have enough stuff going for you. That doesn't mean you should come on to seddit and tell dudes how well your lame behaviors work; it means you'd do EVEN BETTER if you got those lame behaviors sorted out. Here's what's wrong with your suggestion here, broken down: You're letting a girl choose what you wear. Beta. It comes off like you're doing this to please her. She'll think, "You…
/r/seduction28/04/14 07:36 PM
2

You just need to go out with girls and let them know you're trying to meet someone. It can be girls your buddies know if you don't have any close girl friends. Some girls are better at this than others; look for girls that go out a lot and know how to flirt.
/r/seduction28/04/14 04:28 PM
1

I think this is a terrible idea. I don't care if you've had "success" with it, I think letting a girl choose what color you're going to wear is beta as fuck.
/r/seduction28/04/14 03:41 PM
-5

What the fuck.
/r/seduction28/04/14 02:28 AM
1

I went out last night with a guy friend and a girl that I'm dating, Rachel. Rachel is the best wingwoman I've ever seen. At one point during the night, my friend was talking to a girl, and Rachel got the vibe that this girl was more into me than my buddy. So Rachel stated talking to the girl, and said, "yeah, I'm trying to go for this guy (my buddy), but he's not really feeling me. But this other guy (me) keeps talking to me...I'm not really into him, he's kinda lame. Oh well. The guy that's tal…
/r/seduction27/04/14 06:00 PM
2

He talked about this in the third article - he's making generalities, which by definition don't apply to all women. But most women will find most of the traits he talks about attractive, even though there will be variation between individuals. This isn't a novel idea in PUA land - evolutionary psychology has made men and women seek out certain traits. This is the bedrock of all PUA philosophy.
/r/seduction27/04/14 05:52 PM
1

Actually I think you're misunderstanding. I'm making an analogy. Girls are great at explaining what they do and don't like. Just as good as you are at explaining what you do and don't like. So when a girl comes on here and gives advice, don't dismiss her just because she's a girl. That's retarded.
/r/seduction25/04/14 02:54 PM
-2

So if a girl asks you what your type is, anything you say should be ignored? Dude shut up.
/r/seduction24/04/14 04:25 PM
1

Those lines definitely wouldn't work for an unattractive guy. Attractiveness =/= alphaness; that profile would get good responses no matter what you said (beta or alpha). BUT. That guy's kinda ugly bro. If he was less in shape/muscular and not as well groomed, he wouldn't get jack either. Fat and muscle effect the way your face looks, and grooming goes a long way.
/r/seduction22/04/14 11:27 AM
8

They're not going to respond positively to sexism the way women from older generations might. But cocky-funny/alphaness? You're not doing it right.
/r/seduction22/04/14 11:16 AM
2

I mean, me saying "science" twice was tongue-in-cheek - I'm well aware of the limitations of any study. You're concerns are addressed in the article though; this was published in a journal (though even that doesn't really mean much these days); and this wasn't just a single study, they also did a meta-analysis, which is more significant than just the study. I'm always interested in reading conflicting studies though...
/r/seduction21/04/14 10:59 PM
2

i'll be very surprised if you end up seeing this girl again. Sadly, this is my instinct too. No real advice here; just prepare yourself, and don't get hung up on this girl.
/r/seduction21/04/14 04:42 PM
4

Shit, are you going to PM me a dick pic or something?
/r/seduction21/04/14 04:12 AM
17

That's fucking weird, bro.
/r/seduction21/04/14 03:50 AM
11

I text in class and at work all the time, personally.
/r/seduction21/04/14 03:15 AM
9

Probably the one she's more attracted to lol.
/r/seduction21/04/14 02:39 AM
13

This is my question. Girls my age (26) and younger I don't see responding especially well to being called.
/r/seduction21/04/14 02:28 AM
2

Science disagrees with Mark Manson: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/women-who-stray/201307/your-brain-porn-its-not-addictive Science.
/r/seduction20/04/14 09:09 PM
1

Shit, I blasted this a few weeks ago on here, but if you just want tips on how to pose: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qe3oJnFtA_k
/r/seduction20/04/14 05:35 PM
1

I had a wingman who used to do this. He was a decent looking guy, really chill and cool to talk to. And he creeped the shit out of girls by being too touchy feely, especially with this move. Maybe you can't see the look on the girl's face when you do this, but it was painful for me to watch. Now, my wingman would do this as an approach, or within a few minutes of meeting girls. Terrible idea. However, this is fun and flirty if you've been talking to a girl for a while. But if you've been talking…
/r/seduction20/04/14 04:04 PM
1

Tell me how you've done some "next-level shit" to cause "massive attraction spikes."
/r/seduction20/04/14 03:33 PM
1

Lol the post is literally titled "how to kino when it's awkward." And instead of everyone saying, "uh, don't?" People are saying, "dude, ALWAYS BE KINOING. Pulling off awkward kino is the KEY to being awesome." No, it's not. The key to not being creepy is to act like a normal human. Perhaps my message didn't come through, but I felt I needed to shock people into awareness.
/r/seduction19/04/14 10:45 PM
-1

First, I'm not here to impress anyone with how many girls I've slept with. If I wanted to do that, I'd write a lot of field reports - but I've never written one. I'm here because I think I know quite a bit about pickup and seduction. I've been at this for 4 years now, and I went from being like most typical posters on seddit ("whoa is me, no one likes me, how does anyone ever meet someone, I'm so shy") to being pretty damn good. I like trying to impart the lessons I've learned to people who remi…
/r/seduction19/04/14 10:26 PM
-3

Sigh. I really don't now why I try with you people. This isn't a reply to AdmiralVonJackass (appropriate username, btw), it's a reply to everyone: If you're so good with women, and you just KNOW that kino is the bomb.com, why are you still coming on seddit looking for advice? Look through my post history - I don't come here asking for advice, I give it. Know why? Cause I get laid. A lot. I know what the fuck I'm talking about. But every time I post an idea that challenges conventional wisdom, ev…
/r/seduction19/04/14 09:16 PM
-5

I never got this justification for kino. It's like some guys think that girls will be more comfortable being touched by complete strangers than by someone they've gotten to know a little. Does that really make sense? Hell fucking no it doesn't.
/r/seduction19/04/14 06:10 PM
-2

DEAR GOD STOP WITH THE KINO PEOPLE. If it feels awkward, don't fucking do it. You can't pull off awkward kino by deluding yourself into thinking "I'm confident so I can do what I want." KINO IS NOT THAT FUCKING HELPFUL, and it creeps girls out if it's not done appropriately.
/r/seduction19/04/14 06:00 PM
1

As a man who lives in a city with one of the best ratios of women to men in the country, I used to feel helpless too. It got better with time and hard work. The girls here have the same complaint as you, but they still manage to date as much as they want. Stop using excuses, there are literally (hundreds of?) thousands of single women within a 50 mile radius of you.
/r/seduction18/04/14 01:33 PM
6

Funny, I think men are becoming more effeminate. I mean, how the fuck did being a frail puss wearing skinny jeans and nerdy glasses become cool?
/r/seduction18/04/14 01:26 PM
1

They don't like guys who don't have hair on their peaches.
/r/seduction18/04/14 03:12 AM
3

Blaming it on your wingmen is weak. If you're not having success, there's only one person to blame.
/r/seduction16/04/14 06:59 PM
0

I actually didn't mean it as an insult, although it probably came off that way. I just don't know if you realize, e.g., the contradictions in the things you say, or how you believe women are so different from men (I accept that there are differences - but I think you take it to an extreme, and it probably impacts your interactions with women in a negative way).
/r/seduction16/04/14 05:54 PM
0

Lol? You're an odd mix of willful blindness, hypocrisy, and misogyny.
/r/seduction16/04/14 03:36 PM
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Well, yes, but your rationale is that this text makes you stand out as a man who is interested in something more than just getting laid. So my general question is, if you use this on a girl who you're only trying to bang, does this lead to a level of investment and expectation on her part that she would not normally experience had you not said something like this? And if so, how do you feel about getting her hopes up like that?
/r/seduction15/04/14 11:56 PM
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So, do you use this text when you're not interested in a relationship? Also, it doesn't seem initially obvious to me that OP's date had flaked - he very well might have gotten the same reaction with a text that just asked if they were still on. Need more proof!
/r/seduction15/04/14 10:29 PM
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This is a rehash of studies that have been posted here before. Interesting insights, but it's important to take the findings with a grain of salt. For example, don't walk up to a girl and touch her face; and don't stare at a girl before you approach, hoping she'll come talk to you. These are extreme examples, but kino and the like are much more delicate than many PUA's I've met realize.
/r/seduction15/04/14 05:40 PM
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1 Weekend. End of August 2013. I'd been seeing a girl non-exclusively (though I hadn't been hooking up with anyone else), and we had a fight the prior weekend about whether or not we would be exclusive - I wanted to, she didn't. So that next weekend I slept with 3 girls - 1 on Friday, 1 on Saturday, 1 on Sunday. First time I'd ever slept with 3 girls in the same week; I've done it several times since then, each time with different girls. On Saturday I also met a 19 year old girl who turned into …
/r/seduction15/04/14 03:15 PM
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Two ways to do this. RandianHero's way, where you just seduce a girl without establishing beforehand that you want something casual, and sort it out after you have sex; or establish before sex that you just want a FWB thing. Pros of the former are that it might be more successful with some girls. Pros of the latter are that it can be more efficient (less seduction involved, don't have to date or keep up appearances afterwards), is arguably nicer to the girl, and a lot of girls (more than you wou…
/r/seduction15/04/14 02:46 AM
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I love the lift comments so far. So true. Besides that, every time I get broken up with I go on a tear where I just fuck lots of girls. That always makes me feel better. If you can't do that yet, see the above sentence.
/r/seduction14/04/14 11:04 PM
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If you're not physically fit, you're playing the game on hard-mode. Fortune favors the bold. Don't try to impress, be someone you're not, or say something just because you think someone else wants to hear it.
/r/seduction13/04/14 02:36 PM
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After years of making moves on girls, I still get this. I just sorta tell myself, "do your best, it doesn't have to be perfect." It's more important to just do SOMETHING than to do it smoothly. Sometimes it might be clumsy, but that doesn't really matter.
/r/seduction13/04/14 02:27 PM
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If you're to the point that she's telling you she's seeing someone - whether or not she is - you've already lost. Move on.
/r/seduction13/04/14 02:23 PM
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All PUA shit is a scam.
/r/seduction13/04/14 02:20 PM
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Take some time to just grieve bro. That's rough, and anyone in your position would feel the same. Do things that you enjoy. Spend more time with friends. Right now probably isn't the best time to throw yourself to the wolves (i.e., women). It's a lot harder to make friends when you're out of college. If you want to meet more friends, then look to clubs or activities that you enjoy. I've met good friends through stuff like flag football and the "lair" in the city I live in. Ask your coworkers to …
/r/seduction08/04/14 03:42 AM
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Um, it's pretty fucked up IMO to sleep with a girl without establishing beforehand that you just want something casual, when you KNOW that you just want something casual. Fuck what these other dudes are saying, be a man and be straight up. It's not just about the morality of banging a girl without establishing your casual intentions, it's practicality too. A FWB should be a girl that just comes over whenever you text, who you don't have to date or put a lot of effort into. If you're a coward and…
/r/seduction03/04/14 12:34 PM
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I have a theory that I'm gonna throw out, and I'm probably going to get downvoted for this, because it goes against some core tenets of seddit. But this feeling you're talking about - it's completely useless, and has nothing to do with why these girls like you. In fact, trying to replicate this feeling with girls you are attracted to will not only be useless, it might be detrimental. Most guys know this feeling you're talking about. We feel it when we know a girl is attracted to us and we're not…
/r/seduction02/04/14 03:32 AM
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I mean overrated in the sense that some people seem to believe you have to be the life of the party for a girl to like you. A lot of extroverted girls like me because I'm such a contrast to their personality, and introverted girls like me because we're similar. But yes, being lonely is not fun.
/r/seduction01/04/14 01:51 PM
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I personally believe that being social is overrated, and I still have no idea what "state" is. There are a couple of reasons PUA's say you need to be social/be in state - these range from "raising your value" through looking like you're popular and having a great time, to just the fact that girls only like alpha males, and "alpha" = super outgoing. In my experience these are all BS. In your case, though, I think your problem really is approach anxiety. If you really are just sluggish/not in the …
/r/seduction01/04/14 12:39 AM
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First, suggest moving somewhere else in the venue/to another venue. If she's too enamored with the guy and wants to stay, say, "do you want to talk to him, or do you want to talk to me?"
/r/seduction28/03/14 07:27 PM
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Sooo not to toot my horn, but this happens to me from time to time. First, it's pretty likely that the guy you pick will have had this happen to him before. That's a good thing, he knows what's up, and will know how to handle it. The first key is to make your intentions clear - he'll be wondering whether you just want to hook up, or whether you're looking to date. I differentiate based on how a girl compliments me and how she acts: complimenting me on my looks/body sends a clear signal, telling …
/r/seduction27/03/14 11:56 AM
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DC has to be one of the best cities in the US for pick up. Roosh has no credibility on this subject.
/r/seduction26/03/14 11:30 PM
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Yeah, those questions are good. Not what you originally suggested though. I definitely don't think there's any need to avoid the major/job topic. You never know where it can go.
/r/seduction25/03/14 01:43 AM
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When I started reading seduction stuff, I read this a lot - don't ask boring questions, don't be like other guys, etc. etc. I believed it, and when I started going out, I tried really hard to be funny and interesting. Turns out, trying to be funny and interesting is a bad thing. First, if you're in your head trying to think of something "good" to say, you can really psych yourself out, especially right after an approach, when what you should be doing is just trying to get into a regular conversa…
/r/seduction25/03/14 01:12 AM
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This is really overthinking things.
/r/seduction25/03/14 12:15 AM
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I don't have a double chin. I just checked - there is literally no difference between my natural frontal selfie and a selfie using the info in this video. My jawline does not "pop" anymore than it already does. But hey, I guess you can use all the help you can get.
/r/seduction24/03/14 06:10 PM
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If you don't have a double chin, how is this useful? Girls use this trick all the time on dating sites. This is why no guy should mess with a girl who doesn't have body shots. It's why you can't ever rely on a pretty face pic; 9 times out of 10, when you look through all the pics, they're actually fat. Girls go through the same decision making process. If you don't have body shots, and you're not in shape, good luck getting a quality girl to meet you. This post is less than useless, it's counter…
/r/seduction24/03/14 12:43 PM
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This.
/r/seduction24/03/14 04:25 AM
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How not to look like you have a double chin, when you really do. Super helpful for tricking girls into meeting up with you when they'd have absolutely no interest when they actually meet you! This sub fucking sucks.
/r/seduction24/03/14 03:24 AM
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Or just don't be fat. Probably better to not be fat.
/r/seduction24/03/14 01:03 AM
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I think we need more information about what kinds of girls you're attracted to and what kind of guy you are. There are definitely cities where hipsters are the "in" group, cities where smart career driven guys are sought after, more superficial cities, and cities where macho guys are the "in" group.
/r/seduction22/03/14 10:10 PM
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The difference is that neediness consists of manipulative behavior, persistence does not. Do you try to guilt girls into doing something? Do you do things or buy things hoping that she'll "owe you"? Do you do or say something with the intent to "make her think" you have some quality or trait that you think she would find attractive? Do you try to control her in any way? All of that's needy. It's really that simple.
/r/seduction20/03/14 07:38 PM
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Thanks for the link!
/r/seduction18/03/14 12:06 AM
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There are scientific studies that liken the effects of porn use to cocaine use. Check out yourbrainonporn.com. They talk about how the rush of serotonin (or some such chemical) dopamine changes the chemistry in the brain over time, which results in the same side effects of other addictions, like reducing focus and motivation. They also link impotence to porn use. I don't actually disagree with you, though. I don't feel that porn effects me the way these studies say it does. Just wanted to point …
/r/seduction17/03/14 11:48 PM
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I agree with all of the actual behavioral suggestions here, just not the whole, "make her think..." frame of mind. Don't try to control what she thinks, only people who aren't confident do that. OP's problem in the texting stems from exactly that - trying to seem powerful or as though his time is valuable. I mean, if you really are super busy, then that's cool. But when you try to seem a certain way, it's transparent that it's an act (as it was here - you were just butthurt), and THAT is the una…
/r/seduction17/03/14 01:11 AM
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I don't think you understand, but I'm also probably not explaining the concept as clearly as I can. There are a lot of qualities a guy can have that will make him attractive, but trying to show off those qualities is a turnoff for women. It's attractive to be funny; it's unattractive to try to be funny. It's attractive to have an interesting life; it's unattractive to talk about how interesting your life is. It's attractive to be financially successful; it's unattractive to talk about how much m…
/r/seduction17/03/14 12:50 AM
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I don't share this fetish, so maybe someone else can help more, but I'm wondering how exactly you like to be dominated. If it's more or less confined to the bedroom, I don't see the contradiction. "Leading" is not the same thing as being dominate.
/r/seduction16/03/14 07:21 PM
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Confidence is being comfortable in your skin. This guy is trying to use his "confidence" as a tool to attract women. That's not confidence, that's being insecure. But you can act like you didn't know what I meant and misinterpret me, that's cool.
/r/seduction15/03/14 07:46 PM
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I'm 5'8," so I look more muscular than taller guys who have the same dimensions. Your height has probably gotten you laid; my muscles have definitely gotten me laid.
/r/seduction14/03/14 10:19 PM
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Perhaps you're confusing arrogance with confidence. The fact that you even think about being "confident" tells me you're on the arrogant side.
/r/seduction14/03/14 08:05 PM
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No. I have a massively wide back. Girls love it. I mean, I agree that it's not everything. I have friends who workout a lot but aren't very good with women. For me personally, though, working out has tremendously increased my success.
/r/seduction14/03/14 04:44 PM
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Mine are a little over 16, apparently (just measured). I do pretty good.
/r/seduction14/03/14 04:28 PM
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That old OKCupid blog found that statistically, girls were more likely to respond to guys who had shirtless ab selfies as their profile pic. Stats don't lie, girls do. Another study found that you could get a good estimate of how many girls a guy has slept with by measuring the circumference of his arms - the bigger the biceps, the more girls he's slept with. Edit: the okcupid study: http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/the-4-big-myths-of-profile-pictures/ the bicep study: http://www.bakadesuyo.com…
/r/seduction14/03/14 03:03 PM
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Aside from bartenders, it's very rare to run into someone you've ever seen before at a bar. But this might be because I've only lived in big cities. Doubt it though.
/r/seduction11/03/14 11:16 PM
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See, this is what I'm saying. You're going off of what you've read or heard, not the experience you've had. It CANNOT "build attraction." It CAN destroy attraction. You've never heard anyone imply what I'm saying because most people, especially on here, just parrot back what they hear, and never really think to challenge standard PUA wisdom. There's a thread on askreddit somewhere that I'll find for you when I have time, about the things that creep girls out the most. Touching is numero uno on t…
/r/seduction11/03/14 02:41 PM
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Interesting. I don't do day game so I didn't know; I'd think girls would stop if some guy just walks up and says hi.
/r/seduction11/03/14 02:06 AM
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This is good stuff man. I'm not sure there's any magic in the routine...your theory sounds like some NLP stuff. But the banter was good. You should post a bad set. Not much to learn from good ones.
/r/seduction11/03/14 01:52 AM
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It's only high reward in the sense that it makes your intentions clear. Like you said above, you don't want to start out as "friends," and I'm not suggesting that. But besides expressing your interest, I've never heard or experienced any other real benefits of kino. I've heard that it makes women comfortable with the idea of being touched by you, but I've never experienced sudden resistance to being kissed because I HADN'T kinoed. If a girl is attracted or interested in you, she'll kiss you - sh…
/r/seduction10/03/14 11:36 PM
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As much as I appreciate you trying to help me, I'm not asking for advice. The problem with kino is you never know who you're dealing with. Some girls aren't comfortable being touched early, even if they'd like you otherwise. Making your intentions known through means other than kino always has less risk. Keep pushing kino, and you will scare off girls by coming off as creepy.
/r/seduction10/03/14 07:38 PM
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I think you're putting too much emphasis on kino. Play with it and experiment, but I think you'll find that the risks usually outweigh the rewards. Don't believe everything you read or hear from pick up gurus. Hell, you might have even lost this girl because you touched her too much.
/r/seduction10/03/14 01:32 PM
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There is no contradiction. The second piece of advice ("do these things to be attractive") is wrong. Period. The things guys do that turn girls off - those are all symptoms of trying to get girls (or people in general) to like them.
/r/seduction10/03/14 03:48 AM
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"I don't want to be your friend, I want to date you."
/r/seduction10/03/14 02:12 AM
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My biggest fear (as far as relationships go) is getting married to someone who isn't 100% perfect for me, in every way. I'd much rather be alone than be miserable with someone. Which is to say, it's good to have really high standards for relationships, IMO.
/r/seduction10/03/14 02:11 AM
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The most important rule of seduction is that you have to be less emotionally invested in her. If you can't do that, you need to get out of the game. It's funny how different our philosophies of seduction are. Yet I don't doubt that you're successful with the ladies. Just goes to show that there's not one "true path."
/r/seduction08/03/14 08:17 PM
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Well, that bench is on the low side... Just kidding. I mean, it's clearly in his head. He might not remember how people treated him when he wasn't athletic. I stopped lifting for a long time, got back into it a year ago, and it still amazes me how I'm treated differently. Size can make a difference ;)
/r/seduction08/03/14 08:14 PM
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In my opinion and experience, it's not height that matters, but "stature." We always talk about how girls want alpha males; well, in the animal kingdom, size pretty much determines who the alpha is. But size =/= height. I'm about as tall as your friend. I had 4 really good friends in high school - 2 were 6'4 (1.93m), the other 2 were 6'2 (1.87). They towered over me, and for the first half of high school, they acted like it. Then I got really into weight lifting. I blew up, gained 30 pounds, and…
/r/seduction08/03/14 06:19 PM
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Pretty cryptic text. She's probably worried you're gonna do something weird that would embarrass her or make her uncomfortable. IMO you should hold off on the gummy bears. You're giving them to her to get a good reaction out of her. Like I said above, that tends to backfire. Do something because it's what YOU want to do, not because you think SHE might like it.
/r/seduction08/03/14 05:54 PM
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I mean, I don't know about you, but girls didn't go out with guys in my high school unless they liked the guy. You could still mess it up, sure, but there was an assumed interest and attraction. Sending that text would be like saying that on a third date now. A bit early? Yeah. But a deal breaker? No, probably not, unless you pushed it or something. I was also responding to your advice on being too invested. That's like telling a starving man not to be hungry.
/r/seduction08/03/14 05:49 PM
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He's in high school man. This probably isn't some random girl he met out, he probably knows her pretty well. The rules change in that situation.
/r/seduction08/03/14 05:35 PM
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Cool, sounds like you get it. Why do you want to wait until Monday? I don't think there's anything wrong with it, unless you're doing it to try to appear cool or busy. There's really no point in playing that game.
/r/seduction08/03/14 05:31 PM
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This is fucking awesome.
/r/seduction08/03/14 05:15 PM
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You're worrying too much. That's a good text. Really good, I think. This is hard to understand when you're in high school, but not everything is about you. And a lot gets lost in translation over texting. You might think it got awkward, but maybe something distracted her, or maybe she felt like she didn't know how to send a smooth text back, or any number of other things. Then, it sounds like she wants you to be direct and ask her out again or ask her to be exclusive. If you want to do that, the…
/r/seduction08/03/14 05:08 PM
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First, that bird analogy is far too simplistic to take seriously. Second, it's fine to want to find the right girl for a relationship; it's needy to just want a relationship. Think about the girls you know. The ones that feel inadequate because they're not in a relationship are needy. The ones that think about being in a relationship constantly are needy. The one's that are perfectly content being single, and will only consider a relationship with a dude that has everything going for him, are at…
/r/seduction07/03/14 11:31 PM
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I agree with this. OP, it sounds like you like this girl. FWB won't pan out.
/r/seduction07/03/14 06:19 PM
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Think about what a date is. The girl has already decided she's attracted to you. So what is she looking for? Connection. She wants to see if the two of you might be compatible long term, or compatible for whatever capacity she wants to recruit you for. Compatibility literally looks different to every single girl. One girl will be looking for quality X, another quality A, another quality Q. Poke around on r/askwomen and you'll see all of the disparate qualities different girls like. You can't gue…
/r/seduction07/03/14 04:15 AM
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This probably isn't what you want to hear, but you shouldn't get involved with a girl like this. This reeks of insecurity. If you form any type of connection, she will make it her mission to make you as insecure as she is. Hell, she's already doing it. Fuck passing her tests, run away.
/r/seduction06/03/14 04:23 AM
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She's not being rude, she's bored because she knows you're interested in her friend. That's fine, you don't have to fix that. If the friend walks away, she's doing you a favor by letting you cook. The whole "girls make decisions based on what their friends tell them" is such a bullshit PUA concoction. It's what guys tell themselves when things don't work out, rather than man up and accept the fact that the girl just wasn't interested.
/r/seduction05/03/14 09:30 PM
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What your roommate did is pretty shitty. I feel for the girl. But don't base your views of women and their sexuality on that girl's reaction. A lot of girls want sex without the obligations of a relationship, the same way guys do. The key to not being a scumbag is to not try to get girls to do things they don't want to do. Like the guy those 2 girls were talking about - he's a scumbag because he's acting like he wants a relationship, but they can see through that. He just wants to bone, and he's…
/r/seduction05/03/14 06:44 AM
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It's all about the intention. Any behavior designed to attract or seduce is a turn off. So your intention should not be to persuade, impress, or seduce. Instead, your intention should be to filter - for women who will like you for you, and for women who want the same thing as you, whatever that may be.
/r/seduction05/03/14 12:39 AM
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Sounds like something that will come with age and experience. You can speed up the process by doing more things outside of your comfort zone and putting yourself out there more, but I dare say that no one in their early 20's is as socially comfortable as they will be by their late 20's. Give it time.
/r/seduction04/03/14 08:24 PM
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Don't persuade, filter. Focus on finding ways to find people who are looking for someone like you. You'll be much happier, and much more successful.
/r/seduction04/03/14 04:31 AM
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Sounds like you've never had a long term relationship. It's very common for men to lose sexual interest in women with whom they've been in long term sexual relationships. There are studies documenting this. There are evolutionary reasons for it. Your opinions are not dogma, and you should stop acting like they are.
/r/seduction04/03/14 04:17 AM
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I strongly, strongly disagree with this. You're welcome to hold your opinions, but to pass judgment and assume guys are damaged because they make different choices than you or want different things than you is fucking retarded.
/r/seduction04/03/14 04:12 AM
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The difference is not nervousness, our "outcome independence." The difference is that women have a lot more control over these random encounters than you realize. They are selecting you and putting themeselves in a position to have a "random" encounter with you. So of course those interactions go better/lead to more. Women love being desired. Do not interpret your observation as a reason to hide your intentions.
/r/seduction04/03/14 04:07 AM
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Boom. This is the problem. Not boredom with comfort, but dishonesty. Everyone's saying authenticity is your problem, and you're saying that you're being honest, but this doesn't sound like you get it. Hell, if you talk to a girl for an hour when you meet her and you say you like her because of her personality, you're lying and she knows it. You do not know anyone that well that fast. It's inherently disingenuine. And then you say below that you gave her a "good reason," like you were consciously…
/r/seduction26/02/14 03:24 AM
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I've played with this a lot. Everyone's right, I think. If you go to a restaurant and sit on the same side of a booth, it looks and feels weird, and you'll run into more resistance. But sitting next to the girl is more comfortable and seems to result in better success. So try to plan it out! Do a date at a bar, get there first, and sit at the bar. If you can sit at the corner of a bar, such that she can sit perpendicular to you if she wants, all the better. Sitting perpendicular, like at a 4 per…
/r/seduction26/02/14 03:04 AM
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I mean, I don't know you, and I don't know where your strengths and weaknesses lie. Those are all great things to work on. But the best gift you could ever receive is a very honest, attractive female friend who can give it to you between the eyes. I had a FWB that did that with me. Changed my life.
/r/seduction25/02/14 05:56 PM
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It's been years since I've seen it. Maybe they could. Maybe they were set up so they could only see the opposite sex. Besides the point though.
/r/seduction25/02/14 03:28 AM
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There was a show I watched once on the Science of Sex Appeal. One of the experiments they did was to have 10 men and 10 women go into a room together, each with a number written on their foreheads. The 10 women were assigned numbers 1 through 10; same for the 10 men. The volunteers didn't know what number they were given, and the numbers were randomly assigned. Once in the room, the goal for each volunteer was to pair up with a member of the opposite sex. No one in the room could talk or indicat…
/r/seduction25/02/14 02:37 AM
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I wonder if this is a confidence thing. If you act "cheesy" when you have sexual intentions, you might be trying too hard to impress or be smooth. If that's the case, then you need to slowly put your real personality on the line with these girls, and when you get positive feedback you'll get better results. E.g., if you're feeling nervous, say you're feeling nervous. Show it. That's an attractive thing. I've gotta think that it's hard to have choice with women if the only way you can get them is…
/r/seduction24/02/14 11:33 PM
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I agree and disagree with this. I have pushed and plowed and stayed in set when it wasn't 100% hot, and then eventually, after some chasing, I've gotten the girl. And that is pretty fun, to work that hard for someone, and then to get her. There's definitely a line though, not all yellow lights are equal. Some yellow lights will just never be interested for whatever reason, but they're scared of being confrontational. In that case, I think you should cut your losses. Other yellow lights, I get th…
/r/seduction23/02/14 09:19 PM
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This is the most insightful thing I've read on Seddit in a while, and it's 100% in line with my experience. To add some examples: I used to try really hard to be funny. I used to try to say things that I thought girls wanted to hear. I used to force myself to do all the stuff PUA's say you should do, like act confident, kino, etc. Now, I act however I actually feel. If I'm not feeling funny, I don't force jokes. If we're talking about something, I'll give my honest answer/opinion on it, even if …
/r/seduction22/02/14 11:59 PM
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Online dating is more superficial than approaching in real life. You can't really sell yourself or demonstrate your personality in your profile or a message without coming off try hard. Add more pictures, especially of your body, to show what you look like (just like you don't message girls that only show their face because you assume they're fat, they won't message you back). No need for ab pics, unless you have them, just show you're not overweight. Add at least 2 inches to your listed height.…
/r/seduction19/02/14 05:18 AM
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I like this one more. You sound more human.
/r/seduction17/02/14 07:20 PM
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I understand that, and that's something that most guys should strive for. But you're clearly not new to this. Are you a dating coach? I'm not, but I have to call it how I see it - you don't sound the least bit interested in the girl, and you sound like you'd hit on 200 girls earlier that day. If she's even moderately attractive, I have a hard time believing she'd make the effort to see you again. She even called you out on it, asking if it's a game or something. I've had girls respond really wel…
/r/seduction17/02/14 07:17 PM
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You sound really smooth, like you don't care. I honestly wonder if the tone is too smooth. Do you find you have better conversion on the numbers you get if you're a little more nervous?
/r/seduction17/02/14 02:35 PM
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If you're the one approaching, and he's poaching your girls, introduce him to some pickup etiquette. The guy who approaches gets to choose the girl; you can choose before you go in and let him know, or once you're in set and give him some signal to let him know which girl you want. If he' a good friend and a decent human being, he probably feels guilty for getting the girls you hit on, and will be willing to play by these rules.
/r/seduction16/02/14 08:40 PM
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Lol, sorry to derail the conversation. Thanks for your responses. There's also a link in the sidebar to r/fPUA, which is a female pickup subreddit. You might find good advice there too.
/r/seduction13/02/14 02:57 PM
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Text them sooner, and try to hang out sooner. Text that night after you banged, or the next day; hang out within 7 days. Also maybe try to avoid doing it in hotels; that gives off an especially one-night kind of vibe. Consider going to her house instead.
/r/seduction13/02/14 02:53 PM
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See, I understand being "visually" oriented. I've always gotten attention from girls for being physically attractive, and I'm definitely superficial in the sense that I care mostly about how hot a girl is. If anything, I think liking a style is less superficial - I wonder if you're using a guy's style as a proxy for certain personality traits that you find attractive. E.g., maybe a guy with neck tattoos is rebellious, emotional, expressive; an IT, like someone pointed out below, is stable and em…
/r/seduction13/02/14 02:46 PM
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I certainly don't fit the mold of any particular subgroup. Possibly preppy, but I'm not all that preppy. And no girl has ever said she liked me because I fit any kind of mold.
/r/seduction13/02/14 04:13 AM
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The entire concept of being attracted to a "type" or style is totally foreign to me, as I think it is for most guys. Guys, I think, have certain physical types that they might be more attracted to (like blondes, or girls with big boobs, or super tiny girls, whatever), but those feel more rooted in evolutionary psychology. And for you to suddenly change from liking one random style to another? It's like we're two different species I have so much trouble understanding that.
/r/seduction13/02/14 02:35 AM
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I can sympathize with this. I build a lot of my ego on my looks, and that makes me scared to approach - if I get shot down, then I'm not as hot as I think, and my ego will be bruised. I've found a couple of solutions. First, your looks are not who you are, they are a tool. They have no value in themselves, and it doesn't matter how good looking you are if a less good looking guy is banging more/higher quality girls. Second, girls have weird tastes. Some girls like tattoos, some like hipsters, so…
/r/seduction12/02/14 04:52 PM
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What on earth makes you randomly attracted to IT guys? Are you sure you weren't just attracted to that particular guy, and now assume you're attracted to that "type"?
/r/seduction12/02/14 04:42 AM
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I know a guy who gives off a gay vibe and brings home a different girl every weekend. He's just overt with his sexual intentions, and aggressive with opening and pulling. You don't have to change your core personality to get results.
/r/seduction10/02/14 10:22 PM
1

Art of Seduction: worth a read? Maybe. Not worth paying though. Completely the opposite of Mark Manson in terms of philosophies.
/r/seduction08/02/14 03:06 PM
1

Replace "insult girls" with "don't suck up to girls" and this is pretty good. Edit: but you should compliment - as long as it's not sucking up.
/r/seduction08/02/14 12:40 AM
1

This guy... You should re-read the op.
/r/seduction08/02/14 12:34 AM
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If I'm understanding your question, it's this: what happens when you meet a quality girl - you can date/sleep with her, but how do you keep her in your life? And you don't want advice, just examples. But, here's my thought: if you're thinking about "strategy" at that point (or at any point, really), you're doing it wrong. If this is your goal - getting a high quality girl to stay in your life - then focus on connecting with her as a human, from the beginning. Mark Manson's philosophies are reall…
/r/seduction06/02/14 09:26 PM
15

This sounds like something you read off the internet and have never actually done. Because doing that would just make you look like a douche.
/r/seduction05/02/14 12:29 AM
1

Vin Dicarlo's escalation ladder. Do a search for it on reddit or google and you should find a link to the PDF
/r/seduction04/02/14 02:25 PM
1

On one of my first approaches, I was so full of nervous energy I ran into the girl - straight up head-butted her. She wasn't amused.
/r/seduction04/02/14 02:22 PM
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Real talk: get over yourself. You're having a lot of success, and that's great, but kill the ego. You can't make everyone in the world like you, and you shouldn't get upset when you encounter people who don't.
/r/seduction31/01/14 07:17 PM
2

First principle: Focus on what you can control, ignore what you cannot. Second: Feedback is out there, you have to listen for it. Girls makes fun of your hair? Change it, experiment with your look. People act uninterested when you talk a certain way, or talk about something? Try to change that. Focus on the basics that you read on here or in a PUA books about grooming. Pay attention to guys around you and who you see on TV to see how most people dress. Work out, get in shape, improve your postur…
/r/seduction29/01/14 02:42 AM
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I, for one, would like to hear anecdotes about this guy's confidence and awesomeness, if you can put them into words. This is exactly the kind of person people on seddit should try to emulate.
/r/seduction25/01/14 11:14 PM
1

Bro, that's not a neg either. That's validating. The classic neg would be "nice nails, are they real?" or "you'd look great as a blonde." And I'll agree with our kind female poster, negs are fucking stupid, especially with a 9 or 10.
/r/seduction25/01/14 09:54 PM
1

So to me, it sounds like you're wondering how to escalate from the date to sex. By the second date, she should be comfortable enough to go home with you, if you ask her to. Ask at the end of the date, of course. It doesn't matter what you do for the date; I like going out for drinks at a bar close to me. Or you could invite her to your place for dinner, if that's your thing. She might not have sex with you on the second date, but after that, it's all downhill.
/r/seduction25/01/14 09:27 PM
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Well, IMO, it depends on where you're approaching. Bar/club/party? Girls go there to get hit on. But, day game type stuff? Let's be honest, that can be kind of a reality destroyer. People are in their heads, busy, in a hurry. You can ignore that and be the kind of guy that doesn't have social awareness. OR, you can tailor your approach with the understanding that you might be imposing yourself. It doesn't have to stop you from approaching - roll the dice and you might win big - but it can be goo…
/r/seduction25/01/14 04:47 PM
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First thought - some people naturally have very little or no AA, some people have a lot. I personally used to have a lot, but I got over it. You're not at a disadvantage, necessarily, because having AA can be a side effect of some very beneficial personality traits, such as a finely tuned social awareness. It's just that your struggle will be different than the struggle many other guys face. So, for me, the only way to get over the fear was to face it many, many times. No amount of reading or af…
/r/seduction24/01/14 09:16 PM
3

If you think you're missing opportunities to make moves, then you just need more time and experience. Experiment, push your comfort zone, and see what works. You'll start to have an intuition about what you can get away with. "Genuine" is a broad concept. It means being honest about what you want, and that can be off putting sometimes, but you have to do it, or else you end up in situations you don't really want to be in. But it also means being "real," or basically ending all your manipulative …
/r/seduction11/01/14 11:23 PM
4

KISS: Keep It Simple, Stupid. Picking up a girl isn't about doing 100 things well, it's about doing 5 things perfectly. Those 5 things are very fundamental: Rule 1: Be attractive; Rule 2: Put yourself out there (i.e., open); Rule 3: Be likeable; Rule 4: Be genuine; Rule 5: Make moves That's it. If you're not having success, there's a 100% chance you're doing one of those things wrong. Figure out which one(s), and fix it. For example, being a "provider" isn't a bad thing; it's a bad thing when gi…
/r/seduction11/01/14 05:28 PM
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I mean, I've hooked up with/dated Chinese girls, Korean girls, Vietnamese girls, Filipino girls, and others whose nationality I can't remember now, and I don't act any differently with Asian girls than I do with other girls. I'm a pretty big teaser, and it works all the same. I don't know why you want to hear that it's different somehow.
/r/seduction09/01/14 02:51 AM
1

It really is the same as a girl of any other race, unless the girl is a recent immigrant. Are you white? It's always seemed to me that Asian girls have a very strong preference for white guys. There are some big cultural differences between Asian cultures and American culture, but I don't think they impact attraction and the initial "mating dance," if you will.
/r/seduction09/01/14 02:41 AM
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Yes, grab her and make out with her as soon as she comes in, or in the middle of her trying to tell you something. Please report back with your story of conquest. Green light means wait until it feels right to do it. It doesn't mean wait for her to tell you to do it.
/r/seduction08/01/14 06:25 PM
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Meh you'll figure it out. You'll both probably be a little tense. Wine will help. She'll probably want to talk and get to know you for a little while - she's not a hooker after all. And then she'll probably give you a green light of some kind, and that's when you kiss kiss bang bang.
/r/seduction08/01/14 04:34 AM
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Sounds good, a lot like what I might usually do. Depending on the situation though, I might want to do a first date at a location close to where the girl lives, for two reasons: 1) it seems to relax the girl, as she's not thinking, "he's going to ask me to come home with him when we're done", and 2) for the second date, I can say, "I came to your hood on the first date, you come to mine on the second." MUCH higher likelihood of closing on a second date, and it keeps things fresh, since you're no…
/r/seduction03/01/14 04:17 AM
1

So I was having a conversation with a female friend. We were talking about a guy friend of mine, who was pursuing said girl. The girl said that she was interested in my friend, but she thought he was a player because he was "too smooth" - he always says the right things at the right time. I asked if I had that problem, and she laughed and said no, not at all. This is funny, because I actually do a lot better with women than my friend. But I literally have never been asked if I'm a player. I'm no…
/r/seduction02/01/14 08:03 PM
1

No warm up sets - better to be nervous talking to a girl I'm super interested in (nervousness is a good thing! I'm told it's endearing or something) than not see said girl because I'm too busy getting lose with girls I'm not interested in. Also, asking for a casual sexual relationship or a one night stand. "Plausible deniability" is silly - girls know what's up.
/r/seduction04/12/13 05:41 AM
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Don't say it's boring. Say, "Thank you for asking, but do you really care?" She'll be taken aback, but probably say yes (though she'll still be lying). Then you say, "Are you sure? It’s just such a ritualized question. We can talk about that later. Let’s talk about something we both feel more excited to talk about at this point so early in the conversation." You can try a funny/smartass answer once, but in my experience those planned jokes fall flat, and the girl will just ask again. It doesn't …
/r/seduction03/12/13 03:58 PM
1

This is really interesting. Especially some of the links at the bottom. Thanks.
/r/seduction03/12/13 04:34 AM
2

This. Cat-string-theory is dumb. Own your intentions, don't try to hide them, and stop playing games.
/r/seduction03/12/13 04:18 AM
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So, I think the context of where and when you meet a girl dictates whether you should express interest directly. If you meet a girl at work, you probably shouldn't. If you meet a girl at a bar, you absolutely should (indeed, the fact that you're talking to a random girl in a bar will signal interest, whether you like it or not). Parties/social situations are probably somewhere in between, and I personally like to get some green lights before I show my intent. This advice should be used in conjun…
/r/seduction29/11/13 06:34 AM
1

I agree with this. My thought was that in an environment where dates are rare, maybe that investment would deter a girl from agreeing to the date, since it might not be something she's ever had to do to get a guy. But I think OP should experiment to see how comfortable girls at his university are with dates, cause none of us really know, given his circumstances.
/r/seduction25/11/13 10:26 PM
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The only real answer is to experiment and use common sense. Yes, you should always strive to be a more interesting, social, funny, attractive person. But a categorical rule of date vs. no date, or this kind of date vs. that kind of date, limits your options and creativity. In general, dates are higher stress and higher investment. If you think you can see a girl again without going on a date, and you don't think you'll lose points for failing to go on a date (i.e., she won't feel like you're not…
/r/seduction25/11/13 06:59 PM
1

Teasing is part of the fun. It builds the anticipation for when you actually do start sleeping together. It sounds like you just wanted to bang this girl, not date her. If that's what you wanted, you should have told her. All these counter-LMR tactics pale in comparison to the effectiveness of honesty.
/r/seduction25/11/13 03:58 PM
1

Go out 7 nights a week during your summer vacay.
/r/seduction15/11/13 07:24 PM
2

I've had the same problem. I don't find any of the responses so far helpful. A common theme I've noticed in my situation is that the girls I don't hear from after a 1st date are the girls who agreed to go on a date without knowing much about me (i.e., we talked for 5 minutes in a bar). The conversations on the date are interesting enough. I'm funny, and can get these girls to laugh on the date. And I certainly know how to escalate. So I've decided that it's a lack of connection, or maybe even a …
/r/seduction25/10/13 02:27 PM
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I've always thought that when a guy has a bad reaction to learning that a girl was promiscuous, its really a result of his own insecurity about the number of girls he's slept with. This may or may not be something you can work through, but I think it's important to realize it.
/r/seduction23/10/13 02:57 AM
2

This is what wingmen are for.
/r/seduction27/09/13 03:19 AM
2

No, I'll tell girls that I just want casual sex before the first f-close. I try to have that conversation in person, but I've had several situations when girls would not respond to texts and I basically said, "listen, I don't want a relationship with you, but I want to fuck you, and we should make that happen." By far the bets text to send to flakes; works far more often than you would think.
/r/seduction24/09/13 02:10 PM
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A bit over 2 years in. Have seen amazing changes. I'm much more picky now, because I feel like every girl I talk to will be interested, assuming they're not in a relationship (or maybe even if they are). I've decided that warm-up approaches are kind of bullshit, but that might be from the number of approaches I've done. When I go out, I search for qualities that I want, and if a girl doesn't meet them that night, I'm not interested. For example, one night I might want an Asian girl, one night I …
/r/seduction24/09/13 12:19 AM
2

Are you saying that pickup artists don't preach that improving your confidence will lead to more/higher quality girls? Really?
/r/seduction17/09/13 04:04 AM
1

In general, the longer a girl spends talking to you (I assume you're meeting these girls in bars/clubs), the less likely she is to flake. That's really the best gauge of investment. How do you get girls to spend more time talking to you? Improve yourself, in whatever ways you think you need to.
/r/seduction17/09/13 02:48 AM
1

Good looking with a bad personality >>>>>>> ugly with a good personality. I've seen it too many times in my life for this not to be true. Also, I'm pretty convinced that you can't change your personality, but it takes 3 or 4 months to change your body. Hard to beat that.
/r/seduction17/09/13 02:35 AM
1

It does have to do with PUA bs. That analogy makes no sense. And lol at judging me without knowing anything about me.
/r/seduction17/09/13 02:32 AM
1

This is a flat out lie. Confidence is a flame. Sorry guys, you're not going to get better with women by standing in front of a mirror and reciting affirmations. There is no substitute for looking good. There just isn't. Stop listening to all these PUA's who say, "you don't need to work out, all you need to do is pay 3K for my bootcamp!"
/r/seduction16/09/13 07:35 PM
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I do this on dates too. And it is obvious, but that's the point. You seem like a "hopeless romantic" type. You're thinking out your dates in great detail, and putting a lot of effort in to make sure the girl has an "amazing" date. If you enjoy that, then cool, do your thing. But you definitely don't have to that to sleep with a girl, no matter how "respectable" she is.
/r/seduction07/08/13 09:41 PM
1

Don't let her lead when you get back to your place. You're the man, you gotta do it. I don't like, "would you like to lie down next to me." Make out before you take it to the bed. Why the fuck would you STOP kissing? Keep the heat going bro. And maybe don't post about things you don't have experience with...
/r/seduction07/08/13 05:28 AM
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Seems to me to be a problem with honesty and/or authenticity. You're leading girls to believe you want a relationship somehow. You say you tell them that you're not looking for that, but you're very likely giving off mixed signals. Example: if you just want to hook up, don't spend a lot of time talking about and qualifying how smart the girl is, or how good of a cook she is, or whatever else it is that you might usually value in a relationship. Or maybe you spend a lot of time courting them inst…
/r/seduction07/08/13 05:24 AM
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