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Your rationale for "can't sue" sounds like something one hears from someone that hasn't actually talked to an attorney that specializes in wrongful dismissal. You should do so, immediately.
/r/TheRedPill29/08/16 03:59 PM
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Very wrong. In fact, in some states it's illegal to photograph crops or farmland. Why? Because activists were documenting shady practices.
/r/TheRedPill23/08/16 09:27 PM
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You don't, but he writes about the experience in a totally unrealistic way -- because he has none.
/r/TheRedPill04/07/16 07:21 PM
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I suspect OP isn't, and never had been, married. A lot of people with zero experience post as "experts" here, always with made up or anecdotal "evidence". The standard here is very low.
/r/TheRedPill04/07/16 06:31 AM
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What ever happened to the promise of higher quality posts here, mods? This is just whining. Sorry, OP, but people lie about 10 times per hour when they're communicating, and you do too. A casual conversation is not a promise or contract. Get over it.
/r/TheRedPill07/05/16 04:15 AM
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Note: It's not "hampstering". That would be "acting like a hampster". Unless you stuff dirty clothes in her, no. Hamster. Hamstering. Running around in a go-nowhere wheel like a hamster. Alternately, it could mean "acting like a ham", and if she's a ham-planet, maybe so. (joke)
/r/TheRedPill24/03/16 12:29 AM
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I hope you're in middle school. Because adults don't give a shit.
/r/TheRedPill07/03/16 05:49 PM
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Can you understand social commentary in entertainment?
/r/TheRedPill21/01/16 04:36 AM
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I think in the 2nd season of Nurse Jackie, hospital staff recommended divorce for this very reason.
/r/TheRedPill18/01/16 06:44 AM
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But the point was about it being misleading, and it is. Even the term "abandonment" is presumptive of quite a lot. In the U.S., a woman can often get far better and less expensive health care if she is a low-income single than a middle-income couple. People can and do divorce to get this benefit. It was even the subject in an episode of Nurse Jackie, as a real situation.
/r/TheRedPill18/01/16 06:43 AM
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You presume this because you've mixed monogamy into the picture. There is no evidence that monogamy is a natural state for most hominids, including man. That changes things a bit. But without knowing how they managed to adjust for marriage length, which they say they did, the results are at least questionable in that regard. Also, while they mention multiple cohorts, the summary doesn't state what those cohorts were comprised of. Another SUPER important factor, from the perspective of evolutiona…
/r/TheRedPill18/01/16 06:38 AM
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If you want to understand evolutionary biology as it applies to human sexual relationships, in a form that is entertaining, read 1995's "Sperm Wars". I suspect he did, based on the time frame. If you REALLY want the inside scoop of what drives the vagaries of hypergamy particularly, this is the book.
/r/TheRedPill07/01/16 05:59 PM
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Good resolve, although less about reading her right than about retroactive buffer.
/r/TheRedPill07/01/16 05:55 PM
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It isn't like this in other countries, the tables are turned there. Women have to also prove themselves worthy of marriage. If you are a woman and don't know how to cook, clean, be a good, loving wife, or want many children, you are worthless. In what country that a modern person would want to live in, is this so, exactly as you've stated. And by this, I mean without technological or cultural "slumming". I personally don't particularly care for Bedouin women. I am not waiting for OP to provide a…
/r/TheRedPill03/01/16 10:54 PM
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I realized and started to become disgusted with this about 2 years ago, in online dating. And yeah, I always think of it as "silly man, entertain royal me". Anytime I see "make me laugh and I'm yours", I gag thinking about the men who are going to try to be funny, thinking in the beta-brain how THAT is the way to her pussy. Funny (~pun) thing is, it actually can be, but not because you're supposed to be a performing chimp. It's part of DGAF, agree&amplify, etc. But don't ever dance on command.
/r/TheRedPill03/01/16 10:51 PM
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The sub has been overrun by those with the most superficial "understanding" of RP, writing in an attempt to become RP celebrities. The holes in their understanding are huge, and gaping (like their moms). Thanks for not being one of those.
/r/TheRedPill05/12/15 11:25 PM
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Sorry, super stupid idea. The most likely ending: you go home alone, she fucks some other guy.
/r/TheRedPill05/12/15 04:04 PM
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I would try all avenues, but he sounds like he would take her side.
/r/TheRedPill04/12/15 06:50 AM
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I've had to sit by and watch shit like this go over a cliff, because the victimized party wouldn't see the truth.
/r/TheRedPill04/12/15 06:34 AM
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I don't know man. Canon is not to try to explain RP principles to the dedicated beta. I've tried many ways, and unless they are acknowledging the gross and obvious behaviors, there's just nothing they'll accept.
/r/TheRedPill04/12/15 05:53 AM
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Well... she stole nothing. Not in any legal sense. A shitty person taking advantage of a beta guy... yup.
/r/TheRedPill04/12/15 05:35 AM
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I'm not even talking about fraud, just politics taking the place of science, within the scientific community. This is rampant, and even current, as anybody deeply into academia knows. And yes, I have very personal experience in this as well. Here's just a little example: All of economics, at least insofar as scholarly papers that include experimental results. Results in this field's scholarly works are uniformly and almost across the boards not reproducible, and that's per a study by the Fed. Th…
/r/TheRedPill13/11/15 06:16 PM
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Really? Is this a troll? Every one of these has come up multiple times just this year. This just seems like grasping on something "original" to be noticed. Not working, OP.
/r/TheRedPill12/11/15 11:22 PM
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Science is often shown to have been mis-tested, mis-observed, mis-attributed, and a shitload of other "mis-es". We aren't your science teachers. Science history and the many, many gaffs that appear there, including the famous denunciation of the discovery of blood circulartion, even if demonstrably true, by the science establishment, is all easily discovered if you care to give it more effort than a question to an avowedly non-scientific subreddit.
/r/TheRedPill12/11/15 09:53 PM
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Yeah, but don't get cocky, kid: Science always tells the truth You may be a fan of science, but you are no student of it, if you believe this in the absolute way you've stated it. The statement is both laughably false and easily shown to be so.
/r/TheRedPill12/11/15 09:50 PM
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Similar here: Former hugely blue, TRP and intensive work, and experimentation, made me the man I really wanted to be, with results I literally would never have believed. And yes, I find at best you can kind of edge in on telling someone about what RP teaches, but never directly. And you edge in with plausible deniability until you get an enthusiastic and positive response (which may never happen). I don't think ANY kind of mass media will alter the entrenchment of the feminist's self-destructive…
/r/TheRedPill27/10/15 08:23 PM
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Well, yeah. It's the classic hamster. No mystery here.
/r/TheRedPill27/10/15 08:07 PM
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None of this has anything to do with "educated", nor "independent". Then what? AWALT. Simple AWALT. You can't buy feels with favors, money, etc. The rule is: Attraction can not be negotiated. What happened is beta you fell for the oldest scam in AWALT-dom - the dangling of the carrot, in exchange for financial favors (including gifts and non-sex benefits of all kinds). I date them regularly, and find they make very fine submissives, and want to be such, and enjoy the roles very much. They crave …
/r/TheRedPill27/10/15 08:06 PM
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Which is of TRPs bedrock truths.
/r/TheRedPill22/10/15 08:38 PM
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It hardly takes a "serious" illness. ANYTHING that portends a drop in ability to be a provider causes some level of abandonment.
/r/TheRedPill19/10/15 08:34 PM
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None of this sounds "charming" - just agree and amplify.
/r/TheRedPill16/10/15 06:45 PM
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Thanks. Care to go over the responses to your mis-post, and particularly other responses to my original comment, where others are AGREEING with the false information, and correct them directly?
/r/TheRedPill16/10/15 06:43 PM
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Nothing you just used to explain your position actually addressed what I said. You simply repeated what CLM isn't. I wasn't talking about the process of having CLM declared - just the fact that it isn't "recognized in only 9 states". It IS a lawful state of marriage, recognized by the Federal govt. YOU set up a strawman, unlrelated to my post, and attempted to show my statement incorrect. All you did was show your aren't actually having this conversation.
/r/TheRedPill16/10/15 06:42 PM
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They're all the same. And it won't matter what you've all done to them before. This is one of the hardest facts to integrate, when one comes from a BP background. Last night, me and another friend spent hours shoring up (read: drinking and smoking pot and talking) another friend who'd just been dumped. By the end of several hours of hearing how this was all about "fixing her problems", and all the things he'd done thanklessly for her, I was aching to just spout the RP truths about this, but you …
/r/TheRedPill15/10/15 05:08 PM
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There are only 9 states that recognize it Utterly incorrect. ALL states recognize common law, but you can only be declared common law in 9 states. Once so declared, by federal law, all states recognize it is a marriage. So, whom do I report to the bar, now?
/r/TheRedPill15/10/15 05:01 PM
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Unless one is gifted with Brad Pitt's looks, it takes some real intelligence to be charming. There's a social awareness that it requires. Men who are too shy, or can't talk to a hot girl easily, won't cut it. As often advised in this sub, one has to work on it, but I think there are limits to charm when not backed up with intelligence.
/r/TheRedPill15/10/15 04:33 PM
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It's all DGAF, agree and amplify, amused mastery.
/r/TheRedPill15/10/15 03:56 PM
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I've dated a lot of self-professed feminists, from cosmetologists to PhD'd and working epidemiologist. The one thing entirely consistent is the incongruity between their stated philosophy and their actual lives. In their lives, every one of them was (a) kinky as hell; (b) submissive in the kinky sense; (d) openly and clearly wanted Chad to fuck them, regularly, despite Chad being a misogynist. I consider their feminist stance with about the same seriousness as I consider an anti-climate-change p…
/r/TheRedPill14/10/15 06:24 PM
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I don't know if this is the same person, but earlier this year, there was a post similar to this, but not, as far as I recall, about a documentary - a woman had looked into it, and had realized that the description of the feminine agenda and sexual strategy were true.
/r/TheRedPill13/10/15 09:28 PM
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I think it's a huge flaw in OP's "women don't down" comments, that in particular education level is serious consideration. It isn't, certainly not in the late-30s to mid-40's. I frequently, and currently, end up dating women with or working on PhD's, despite my having a lower degree, and no interest in further. I have this to be absolutely a zero as far as affecting the women that will date me. I think other factors, particularly showing that you are not impressed by such things, actually works …
/r/TheRedPill12/10/15 06:53 PM
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It's great fun, until it isn't. ;-)
/r/TheRedPill11/10/15 03:18 PM
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Do you mean the 3-plex thing? Or the poly woman who are wingmen? From my experience, the more desirable (alpha) the guy is, the more woman are "willing" to share (i.e. they know there's no point in insisting on monogamy).
/r/TheRedPill11/10/15 03:17 PM
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Imagine? It's happened to me several times, including 4 stalkers. One had to be removed by police twice, from my place (where she'd never lived). Another tried to track me for a year and show up anyplace I'd say I'd be. Two literally camped out on my doorstep waiting to run into me - luckily, in both cases, I was gone all day and into the night, and they gave up. I only know from the "love" notes they left. I have had the lovestruck bullshit several times after first fucks. It's about the bigges…
/r/TheRedPill10/10/15 05:23 PM
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Really? Had the opposite effect on me - I want my sperm to "win". ;-) Also, as the information in the book seems to underpin RP, it gives a firm biological and evolutionary handle on the behaviors we see described functionally. And a lot of the "common sense" evolutonary reasons people have stated here as "understood" aren't really quite right, and make a lot of common mistakes, the most common being that much of what is espoused comes from the idea that monogamy is some kind of natural or prefe…
/r/TheRedPill10/10/15 05:17 PM
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Living together under one roof will seriously limit your opportunities to get with other women. Not necessarily. Various forms of open non-monogamy are increasingly common. I dated a woman (42) who'd been polyamorous all her adult life. She said her ideal living situation with a primary partner would be a 3-plex - two units, one each for the primary partner's own personal living space, and a third for "common ground". This was specifically to cause the least interference in seeing others. And I'…
/r/TheRedPill10/10/15 05:12 PM
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Of course you can use Google Voice, Magic Jack, or any number of alternatives. And again, so what about the name? You can have several accounts with the same name - just use a different email account each time. I'm not even sure you MUST have a phone to use FB, unless it's the phone app. I use the mobile site from my phone.
/r/TheRedPill09/10/15 08:29 PM
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Why on earth you would tell a Tinder slut anything about your private life and work is a mystery. Don't ever do that.
/r/TheRedPill09/10/15 08:27 PM
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I dunno about the "when you're in an LTR, more liberty" - I've found the kinkiest times are often with the newest partners.
/r/TheRedPill09/10/15 08:26 PM
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It can be legit in any relationship, but it is still the man's responsibility to create those tingles. LTRs that include a lot of together time are very difficult to maintain this way. In my LTRs, I NEVER live with the person, and always maintain other plates (with full knowledge - "what are you doing tonight" is often met with "going on a date"). Dread + abundance = they'll tingle or quit. Handle it right, and it's almost always tingles.
/r/TheRedPill09/10/15 08:25 PM
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Can confirm. Most I've done was 5 - impractical. Two is insufficient if you have any kind of serious sex drive. Three means most of the time when YOU want company, you'll have it.
/r/TheRedPill09/10/15 08:22 PM
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A lot of that comes from the 1995, ground-breaking book, "Sperm Wars" - a popular book based on the author's (and associates) scholarly publications on the subject of evolution and biology. That book is the most coldly factual book about the how women's cycles influence their sexual strategies, as well as even Rollo's more recent stuff about the overall cycle of a woman's life, and how the different stages result in different strategies. Long before there was a manosphere, this book really said …
/r/TheRedPill09/10/15 08:21 PM
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A terrific point made here.
/r/TheRedPill09/10/15 08:17 PM
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I agree, and pointed out elsewhere that his problem is an apparent lack of abundance mentality, as he mentions nothing about the other plates he should be spinning. That's always been my strategy. Girl doesn't wanna, there's always the other plates. And my plates all know I date others, even my LTR (with whom I don't live, and won't - with anybody). The dread game, plus my own abundance mentality, works wonders on their tingly bits.
/r/TheRedPill09/10/15 08:14 PM
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Yeah - I don't see that there's any plate spinning going on, and there's a notable absence of what would be the resulting abundance mentality. I'd never let an LTR get in the way of plate spinning, and in fact, I really don't. Almost a year in with one partner, right now. Last night went on a first date, with her full knowledge. It went very well, second planned for the coming (no pun intended) week. I don't hide any of this - and even the new girl knows I have other partners, and still is in fo…
/r/TheRedPill09/10/15 08:12 PM
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Cool, but to be honest, it does sound just a bit like you were being passive aggressive rather than just stoic, but really, that could just be the way you present it. As to the point being made, it's really one of the reasons why I refuse to live with anybody, including any LTR. That time away preys on their security. Also, spinning plates, during that time away, I'm seeing other partners. This works great - partners are always eager to get together, and sex is rarely not on the agenda.
/r/TheRedPill09/10/15 08:08 PM
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I can. Apparently, I can also get on your nerves because my point applies perfectly well, and you don't care for that. Too bad. Carry on - we can both have our points of view.
/r/TheRedPill09/10/15 07:09 PM
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Actually, all states allow it, if it was formed and recognized in any of the states that do so. So, I deny your black-and-white "nope", and have provided logical arguments which you have done exactly nothing to refute. So... you need to step up, or be quiet.
/r/TheRedPill08/10/15 04:23 PM
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Hilariously, the more they "succeed", the more they lose. There's already a counter-movement among women, and I'm running into more and more younger women who definitely do not want to have the label "feminist". Wondering how much further it'll go before they just eat themselves, as we know how well they work together.
/r/TheRedPill08/10/15 04:22 PM
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It's not as simple as "nope". First off, only 13 states NEVER allowed it. That's "most". But more modernly, it has been abandoned by many states. And let's face it - most people don't update their knowledge like this, unless they have an interest. Driving is a good example - traffic cops will tell you that they usually can tell you the general decade a person was trained to drive by what they think is legal. Also, the article cited is missing a few states that conditionally allow it, and also th…
/r/TheRedPill08/10/15 03:09 PM
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I dated a woman who's main kink was "fucking people I'm not supposed to." So, yeah, that could be anybody.
/r/TheRedPill06/10/15 08:12 PM
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Law in Family Court is almost devoid of anything an American would recognize as due process. They are a separate category with incredible privilege as a court. Check out the documentary, "Divorce Corp."
/r/TheRedPill06/10/15 08:11 PM
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Not really true. Depending on where you are, you certainly can forego a state-recognized wedding, start a family, etc. However, you can't file taxes together, or get other government benefits to married people (including lower tax rates). In most states, after a few years, you will be married under law, even without a state document or ceremony. Check out "common law marriage".
/r/TheRedPill06/10/15 08:10 PM
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Simple - check out how it works in, say, Denmark. Make it like that. The very thought that one would need a lawyer for a divorce is pretty much unheard of there. And watch the Documentary, "Divorce Corp."
/r/TheRedPill06/10/15 08:08 PM
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Excellent post, one of few that actually adds new value to this sub.
/r/TheRedPill01/10/15 08:04 PM
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Fantastic post, but I honestly don't think it will change the signal to noise ratio. But yes, everything you say is true, and worthwhile. But it won't reach the people who already aren't being diligent here.
/r/TheRedPill01/10/15 06:49 PM
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As the feminist agenda sells off the rest of a woman's agency, they will become pariahs. And that'll be the fault of the Patriarchy, for not loving their hypergamous asses unquestioningly.
/r/TheRedPill30/09/15 01:04 AM
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This is one of the things I keep seeing wrong - it may sound right that women would never cheat on a true, thundercock-alpha, and I've seen it often stated that if one just fucks them right, they won't cheat. Even here, I've seen that expressed a number of times over the last few years. You have to really understand hypergamy - really, really well, including, I believe, its bio-evolutionary rationale, to not make this mistake. Simply: The alpha is there to supply genes. The beta is there to supp…
/r/TheRedPill30/09/15 12:14 AM
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I hate to say it, but I definitely have seen women defended for completely proven infidelity, by other women, on 2XC. They blame the man for "driving her to it". It's been featured on various postings in this very sub over the last few years. So, not entirely clean, not entirely unanimous.
/r/TheRedPill29/09/15 11:26 PM
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Why now? Why not stay the course and accuse him of being the cause? Why not ask him to change? Why now are they telling him that she's completely in the wrong and he's in the right? ** Because then he would have to realize that she never respected him and begin demanding respect from his future partners. ** I think this is entirely incorrect. Here's an explanation that I think fits RP understandings much better: Why now? Because they need to hide the fact of their own hypergamy (AF/BB). Forever,…
/r/TheRedPill29/09/15 11:22 PM
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He's written many about LTR. Just check out his blog. Everything there is good.
/r/TheRedPill29/09/15 07:22 PM
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I know a very few ladies that seem to make a habit of selecting known and obvious losers for LTRs - literally, married men with no job, locked into infininite debt, with terrible personal lives, and absolute NOT alpha at all. In one case, he's smaller, lighter, and definitely less of a go-getter than her (and she's not at all heavy, he's just a tiny man). He gets taken advantage of all the time, in personal and professional life. I've met him - a full omega. And these few ladies fight for these …
/r/TheRedPill29/09/15 05:03 PM
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For a girl like that, I'm betting the decline has actually begun (at least in her head). Remember, there are handsome, rich beta men (lots and lots of them). AF alone is generally not an LTR strategy, at all. If OP really wants to get into an LTR, he should read what Rollo says about how to use game in those situations. Straight-up AF won't cut it, never does. And if she, as he says, has good morals, she won't be fucking him when the big BB arrives on that scene.
/r/TheRedPill29/09/15 04:41 PM
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Where do you get this "a lot of people" thing? I've never heard that expressed, but then, I mostly know Patrice through TRP.
/r/TheRedPill28/09/15 10:25 PM
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Yeah, at the time, Bill Clinton was denigrated for having such an unattractive women as a sex partner. This was compared to the movie stars JFK bedded while POTUS. Perhaps both politically and sexually, out standards are way down.
/r/TheRedPill28/09/15 10:18 PM
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This is the difference between pre- and post-wall.
/r/TheRedPill28/09/15 10:16 PM
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You, sir, clearly do not understand the hamster. Do more reading. You've got this entirely wrong.
/r/TheRedPill28/09/15 10:15 PM
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Only the majors, and not even every one of them.
/r/TheRedPill28/09/15 05:21 PM
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The UN has fully bought into killiing net neutrality. Having no control, or very little, over the internet is driving world "leaders" absolutely crazy. They see this vast wealth of your personal lives being exposed, and they want to take advantage of it. The specious reasoning - that this will keep women from accepting broadband - is patently ludicrous. But why do they care if somebody doesn't want broadband? Note that they don't say that women would reject the internet, just "broadband." Appare…
/r/TheRedPill26/09/15 03:06 PM
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Let us know - I'm curious about the legal realities of such clauses.
/r/TheRedPill26/09/15 02:41 PM
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Yeah, when there's exactly ONE hot photo, and all the others are missing the body, that's the old one, when she was thinner.
/r/TheRedPill25/09/15 08:00 PM
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Just be sure there's language basically saying she has no entitlement to any future largess, and that the agreement is the totality and is closed to amendment later. I don't know how "legal" that is, or if it can really be done, but if so...
/r/TheRedPill25/09/15 06:21 PM
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First off, you gotta learn to recognize the photo techniques they use to look slimmer. I've looked at literally 10's of thousands of profiles, and one thing I can tell you: except for a few truly iconoclastic women, if they look decent or think they do, they will show you their figure clearly. So you either have a true outlier (supremely rare), or she knows she's misrepresenting to look better.
/r/TheRedPill25/09/15 05:12 PM
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From that thread: I once had a date be 30 mins late. She came in and sat down and we chatted for 3 minutes. She excuses herself to get a drink (smiling and patting my knee while doing so) and vanished. Never heard from her again. Dude lost the shit-test by even waiting for her, 30 minutes after she was supposed to arrive.
/r/TheRedPill25/09/15 05:10 PM
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As long as you can keep the clutching away from post-divorce success.
/r/TheRedPill25/09/15 05:00 PM
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Those exist on the interwebz.
/r/TheRedPill25/09/15 04:59 PM
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You're really not ready for what a "true RP" would do. Seriously. If you have to ask that last sentence, just... do whatever, and let us know.
/r/TheRedPill24/09/15 07:25 PM
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Oh man, do it. Just. Do. It.
/r/TheRedPill24/09/15 07:03 PM
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Gender marketing makes $$$. Genderless marketing loses $$$. End of story.
/r/TheRedPill24/09/15 06:03 PM
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I'm concerned that you think TRP pronouncements are even meant to be applied uniformly, fully, and equally to all women. They talk about the phenomena of female behavior as regards the mating game, but they consider the preponderance of women. The behaviors do apply to all women, but, as with any such blanket statement, there is tremendous variation. And the underlying drive itself varies person to person, as do social adjustments, personal philosophies, etc. There certainly are more and less de…
/r/TheRedPill24/09/15 03:51 PM
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Well, that's sort of a bitter kind of win, but yeah.
/r/TheRedPill24/09/15 03:47 PM
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Hard to say. Even though I initiated both divorces, one wanted to into religious service, and the other... honestly, I don't know. She's really good friends with my mother and older brother, so maybe she just didn't want a fight? In any case, no divorce rape.
/r/TheRedPill24/09/15 03:45 PM
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I live in California. Oops.
/r/TheRedPill24/09/15 03:44 PM
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I've been around a while, seen a lot of marriages, and in maybe one was the guy actually genuinely happy about it. Every other one, the guy was tolerant and uncomfortable. Smiles were forced. Congratulations were met with that slight flinch, the one that lets you know the person receiving the congrats feels something is undeserved. Edit: That one guy? About 82, married a 78 year old woman, and was absolutely thrilled.
/r/TheRedPill24/09/15 01:28 AM
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Yup. Total shit test. But the marriage thing is a special kind of shit test. Most tests, you pass (meaning you hold frame), you win. This one, she REALLY needs that provider, and will dump the relationship to get one. Basically, at this point, it's lose/lose. As they said in War Games, "The only way to win is not to play."
/r/TheRedPill24/09/15 01:26 AM
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This is exactly true. Source: Did it twice, before wising up. Three years of lessening beta-hood after the last divorce, followed by two years of intensive RP work. Seriously - I'm a new man. Two lovelies stayed over Monday night, both 23-25 years younger than me. And no, I didn't pay them ;-)
/r/TheRedPill24/09/15 01:25 AM
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Divorced twice. Raped... neither time. It's possible. Now, I live in a nice, huge house I bought when I was with the 2nd wife (who never worked), while she lives in a shitty condo. Maybe having no kids helped. Edit: well, this was a bit popular. I've received multiple private messages as well as a number of thread comments about it.
/r/TheRedPill24/09/15 01:23 AM
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RedPillJax, you are The Man. I was raised beta, married twice, both due to "fear" of loss of something (have no idea what). Got on the right bandwagon a couple years ago, after dropping the 2nd wife a few years before, dated up a storm as a serial monogamist. Now... TRP. Everything you're saying here is spot on, and your commentary is amusing as hell to read. Keep it up, man. Good work.
/r/TheRedPill24/09/15 01:21 AM
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I haven't seen the things OP is saying people are mistaking it for, but he's dead on about what it actually is.
/r/TheRedPill24/09/15 01:15 AM
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No, really. No. I've lived in "suburbia" all my life. Orange County is a special kind of place for this type.
/r/TheRedPill23/09/15 02:54 PM
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A few comments, from the RP canon perspective: Our luckless gentleman as fucked this up. He's failed shit-tests, and proven himself not the alpha she though. This happened, obviously, before she blew him off. Being mad about such things as a new girl flaking after just a date or two shows a very severe lack of abundance, whether as an attitude or a reality. No woman, particularly at this stage of the game, is worth anything more than passing interest, but if you don't have viable options, they a…
/r/TheRedPill22/09/15 04:48 PM
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your typical white girl aka upper middle girl raised in the suburbs who had well off parents and probably joined a sorority in college I've found this type is the most matching of the stereotypical woman in TRP canon. Habitual liars, crazy hypergamy, cheat at the drop of hat (or pants, or whatever), incredible terrible to nearly everybody they can't get something off of. Just the worst. Basically, all blonde women from Orange County.
/r/TheRedPill21/09/15 07:49 PM
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The problem with this is that it should show differences by age range. Of course, I haven't done any scientific study, but I've seen literally thousands of profiles in the 5 years I've been on OKC, and date regularly in the full range from 20's to 50's. So all this is anecdotal. I'm sure if they'd used, say, the 40's as a range, then "mom" would be higher, and "children" would at least appear, probably rather well up the list. As would (at least in the LA area) "yoga", "hiking", "spiritual". For…
/r/TheRedPill21/09/15 05:22 PM
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It's super common for a guy to discover TRP, get all into it, and THEN have that one, final, disastrous "relationship" in which he goes all beta, fucks it all up, and then sits there, reexamining everything he knows he should have done differently. It's really at that point one finally, often, commits to a real red-pill life.
/r/TheRedPill16/09/15 04:33 PM
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Anecdote, from somebody who rather likes dating crazy: So, crazy chick, about 6 months into relationship, breaks it off while I'm away on a trip. I simply tell her that's fine. Of course, Crazy flips out over that simple acceptance. When I get back, she stalks, comes over to my place, both times with me telling her not to. Both times, cops called to remove her. I was actually surprised how well they understood, and especially my side, as I'm more familiar with women getting a pussy pass for just…
/r/TheRedPill16/09/15 04:29 PM
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Talk to your court and see what they can do You are very familiar with what this means one actually needs to do, but I have no idea how one "talks to" a court. Is there a proper channel for this?
/r/TheRedPill16/09/15 04:26 PM
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Right. I'm sure the urge to have sex has nothing to do with procreation. Evolution, as are many natural processes, commonly given agency in the vernacular. Don't be such a prig about it. People know what is meant.
/r/TheRedPill15/09/15 12:36 AM
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All that rumination about the psychology of why people want offspring is secondary to the underlying cause. Look, even bacteria, arguably a life form with no significant psychology at all, wants to reproduce. All life attempts this, which is why there are species that die shortly after reproducing - it is the entire point of their existence. The drive to do so is utterly biological. The thinking we do about those drives is an attempt to rationalize or justify the behavior an intelligence observe…
/r/TheRedPill14/09/15 08:30 PM
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Ah, the usual load of pseudo-intellectual, pseudo-scientific nonsense that those who think philosophy is a science typically fall into. Two words: Evolutionary Biology. A real subject, with real science behind it (and some softer elements, as with all evolution science, except maybe simple genetic evolution.) Also, a subject that has very much presaged TRP. Indeed, all life is trying to survive, both individually and as a species. Read "Sperm Wars" some time, if you want to understand the femini…
/r/TheRedPill14/09/15 08:27 PM
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Yet there you are, complaining about your points :D Man, you are delightful! Keep it coming, okay?
/r/TheRedPill14/09/15 07:24 PM
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Yet, somehow people here vote you down. Perhaps your solipsistic perspective, a female trait, needs to be addressed. I suggest lobotomy, as you clearly have nothing to lose :D
/r/TheRedPill14/09/15 05:41 PM
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Doubling down on your obvious biases? Cool! Keep it up, the hole you dig gets deeper all the time. No point in pointing out how incorrect literally everything you said is - you can't see it, and THAT is kind of the point. So go on... say some more. Tagged as "TRP moron and troll". :D
/r/TheRedPill11/09/15 08:34 PM
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It's not disingenuous at all. It's factual. It's disingenuous to say "plenty of redpillers" however, without further qualification, so let me do that for you: "Plenty of inexperienced redpillers..." The fact is, TRP has exploded in popularity, and the vast majority are in the earliest phases of learning about it. They often take everything as gospel. Intelligent application, experience, and being awake and aware will dispel that. If you read ANY seasoned RP writer, you'll find that they all ment…
/r/TheRedPill11/09/15 08:33 PM
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So, that last sentence isn't angerphase? Lol. Please take your own advice, but eat some shit first.
/r/TheRedPill11/09/15 08:00 PM
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Yeah, GLO is terrific. Part of the problem for all millienials who aren't seriously entrepreneurial, is that jobs suck. Education doesn't matter much. And we all know about the crushing debt of that education. And those with the silver spoon, and thus no debt, are of course excluded because... job? WHY? Or rather, earning the job is not necessary. I do recognize the rather horrid climate for those just looking to start their lives and careers - nothing at all specific to women about that. And ye…
/r/TheRedPill11/09/15 07:59 PM
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Sure does read that way, doesn't it?
/r/TheRedPill11/09/15 07:55 PM
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The attacks by men are by dedicated betas, trying to earn those precious brownie points that they believe will eventually lead to a snowflake bestowing a blowjob on them. They are driven by the same things you are, but their methods are idiotic.
/r/TheRedPill11/09/15 07:00 PM
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Lol, another SJW White Knight. Listen up - you are making the classic mistake that obvious newbies do. Actually, two of them: You don't know shit, but you think you do, and you display your ignorance most prominently. NOBODY in TRP thinks everything applies to all women exactly perfectly and equally. Nobody. In. TRP. Your argument is entirely a straw man that YOU set up, blamed on OP, and then shot down. Well, now anybody reading this won't make the mistake of thinking you have a clue.
/r/TheRedPill11/09/15 06:52 PM
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Of course. Some women have moral objections to abortion, but increasingly, it's seen the way this one does. And a LOT more women have had them then will ever admit. The attitude is pretty much AWALT, but of course, being this forward about it is where this one diverges. A bit.
/r/TheRedPill11/09/15 06:47 PM
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20s? Nowadays, this extends for many of them, well into their 30's. The whole ilk of millenial women is like this, and as they age, they seem to either figure out something to give a meager existence, or they just... don't. All the millennials I know, even casually, who are successful, are men. I can't think of a single female in this category (that I know personally) who isn't generally out of work, living off some guy, and/or living off some kind of stipend, or at best in a dead end job such a…
/r/TheRedPill11/09/15 06:42 PM
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"Would you want to be with a guy who financially supported 50 women before you, paying rent for some that he only knew for one night?" Are you serious? Do you know how many would jump at the chance to land a guy who would financially support them? I've met many. NEVER ever make the mistake that a woman thinks about sex and relationships like a man. That error is perhaps the primary driver of all beta behavior.
/r/TheRedPill11/09/15 06:38 PM
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Western society, and particularly the US, has been a huge feminist win in building safety nets for misbehaving women, almost all of which are at the expense of men, without anything similar for men. The whole rape culture thing is a feminist "win" that's now backfiring more and more. Rape is evil. So are women that claim rape because they regret an incident of fully consensual sex. This is one of those pendulum swing things, like conservatism and liberalism popularity. A "win" that leads to a lo…
/r/TheRedPill11/09/15 06:36 PM
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AF/BB. Remember that? Can you spot which she sees you as? Now, if you've done much reading here, you know this can't and won't end well. She's not the "mother" type - she's just looking at you funding the lifestyle she wants. That's the cold, hard fact of it. Sorry, man.
/r/TheRedPill10/09/15 07:55 PM
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Well, you sure proved how absolutely wrong you are. Carry on. Love seeing an idiot dig a deeper hole for themselves. Read the sidebar? Sure, if it had lots of pictures, I'm sure you did. Hardly bitter. Been right where you are, and decided it was a big nope. So... yeah, brag, but it sounds like you're just whistling past the graveyard.
/r/TheRedPill10/09/15 04:34 PM
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Well, this is literally getting all the love it deserves. Simple answer to an exceedingly stupid question, somewhat illiterately worded: Because you didn't read a single thing about TRP, don't know what the feminist imperative nor agenda are, and generally, have nothing to offer here.
/r/TheRedPill09/09/15 10:30 PM
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We can think a little more clearly and are ready to go home. This is so true, there is a name in Japanese for this state of mind: Kenjataimu.
/r/TheRedPill09/09/15 10:12 PM
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Two words terms this up entirely: Hypergamy Shit tests And, as it is well known, the person who cares the least gets hurt the least. Cultivate true DGAF attitude, as well as a factual abundance mentality.
/r/TheRedPill09/09/15 03:51 PM
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Heh, nice save, although to be honest, I think you lucked out. That second girl is a bit atypical, but not THAT much. A lot depends on things like her other current (and recent past) relationships, as well as her place in her estrus cycle (read Sperm Wars for info on how the cycle influences who and when a woman will want sex with).
/r/TheRedPill09/09/15 03:17 PM
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The reaction I've seen when spotted is instant disassociation and turn off. TRP is fight club, yet the internet is talking about it all the time.
/r/TheRedPill09/09/15 03:15 PM
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I've realized that negging is really a type of amused mastery, and also blends a bit with agree and amplify. If you JUST "neg", it's basically an insult, and not at all attractive. And that's what I think most guys do, because, and let's face it - it takes an exceptional person to be natural as an alpha, especially if they are developing that after being beta. And the whole point of "exceptional" is that it is not common. The upshot: most of the people here will never do it right. Never.
/r/TheRedPill09/09/15 03:13 PM
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You may one of the few that have the personality, looks, and/or charisma to pull it off. I think most guys are very heavy-handed with it, and have no idea that it's really a type of amused mastery.
/r/TheRedPill09/09/15 03:11 PM
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Which is why I find more and more women know about it and are sensitive to it - because most guys suck at it.
/r/TheRedPill09/09/15 03:11 PM
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I agree. Negging needs to blend with amused mastery, or it is soooo obvious. I think the prevalence I see of women immediately recognizing most negging is that most guys suck at it. It takes personality and charisma to successfully neg.
/r/TheRedPill09/09/15 03:10 PM
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No? That's laughable. I run into it regularly, girls complaining about some guy negging them. And in conversation, they clearly DO know the real meaning. Do you seriously think women don't get around PUA sites?
/r/TheRedPill08/09/15 10:03 PM
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Negging has entered the awareness and lexicon of women in the dating world. Many are now hypersensitive to it and can spot it (when done in any way but expertly) a mile away.
/r/TheRedPill08/09/15 08:50 PM
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Okay, so yeah, hypergamy. This is well-covered. Also, it's definitely a thing for the shorties to want a guy that towers over them. It's a frequent thing I see in online profiles (her: 5'2" or less, wants a guy 6'2" or more). Domination is what they're really asking for.
/r/TheRedPill08/09/15 08:49 PM
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Lol, exactly what a woman would say. I'm sure that's true for you, but you misconstrue me entirely. OTOH, your mindset prevents understanding, so carry on, and show us your vagina.
/r/TheRedPill03/09/15 06:25 PM
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Cool way to be a beta bitch, sister.
/r/TheRedPill03/09/15 03:20 PM
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Just another example of how feminism actually reduces female agency to nothing. Well... let's say it makes it obvious women have little to no agency, not that it actually reduces that already nearly-nonexistent agency.
/r/TheRedPill02/09/15 06:36 PM
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Yes, they do. I live in an area with a strong Armenian presence. Some wonderful old guys, especially running various types of shops.
/r/TheRedPill02/09/15 05:27 PM
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I only hold a door for people who clearly need assistance, either due to infirmity, or carrying packages, dragging kids, etc. It's a courtesy I appreciate when I would have difficulty with a door. And heh, Grandpa knows a thing or two.
/r/TheRedPill02/09/15 05:22 PM
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I think the difference in opinions is based on both what one likes, and how one searches. I actually have met and plated women from a number of sites, including Tinder, POF, and OKCupid. Right now, I am finding POF more productive, but that's unusual.
/r/TheRedPill02/09/15 04:44 PM
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Lol, well, I do martial arts and ride a rather loud, fat hog. But I'm actually active and long time in both. So SOME men mean it (just like some women do) - and in both cases, a quick glance usually will tell the tale. I did date a woman who claimed to ride motorcycles, and had pics to prove it. Except when I knew her, she'd sold her bike because too many scary things happened. I love how wanna-be alphas downvote any time anybody actually is alpha here. It happens with clockwork-like regularity.…
/r/TheRedPill02/09/15 04:43 PM
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I'm a dedicated online dater/plater, and this is one of the most common things I see on all sites - women who have long since hit the wall, bounced off it and landed in the gutter, having these incredible long lists of perfection traits one must have for her to deign to chat with you. OP forgot all the physical requirements they usually include: fit, energetic, handsome, tall, etc. And they all like shopping, yoga (lol, that ain't no yoga body), your money, etc. And they all have kids, yet "aren…
/r/TheRedPill02/09/15 04:06 PM
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This is one of the most useful, original postings I've seen here in TRP all year.
/r/TheRedPill02/09/15 04:01 PM
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Pof has a lot of awful profiles, but also, at least in a large metro areas, some good ones. But generally, one gets the sense the women on POF are, as an average, of lower quality than, say, OKCupid.
/r/TheRedPill02/09/15 04:00 PM
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I did that - about every 3 years, changed from employeed to solo. Tremendous wins.
/r/TheRedPill02/09/15 06:14 AM
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I write software. Oh yeah, that was the other thing. Officially it's 30 hours per week, but really, it's whatever. And by that, I mean truly rarely is it more than 30. Again, as long as the expected work gets done and I don't put it in their faces that I work less, everybody is happy.
/r/TheRedPill01/09/15 04:08 PM
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I would strongly suggest getting and reading 4HWW. Also, there's a website, blog, etc., that will make sense after reading the book. Getting there was a long process, gradual, over a number of years, but after reading 4HWW, I accelerated it dramatically, as described before. As for maintaining it: good communication, and get shit done. Don't be the weak link, or they'll feel they need to monitor you more closely. So, basically: be incredibly competent at your job, do it rapidly AND well; manage …
/r/TheRedPill31/08/15 08:44 PM
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I wish it were as easy now as when I was in college, and even the decades afterwards. I have mostly friends 20+ years younger than me, and I see very clearly the fucked up jobs scene out there. Sure, top tech guys have no problems, but the vast bulk of those with less than a decade of experience are struggling, almost regardless of the subject. Perhaps the one exception (locally, at least) is nursing, which seems to never have sufficient supply. Almost everybody I know under 40 (and a few around…
/r/TheRedPill31/08/15 06:52 PM
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Come on, most people are terrible with finance. Well off people spend money on things, but also are surprisingly frugal in other areas. It's one of the reasons they remain well off.
/r/TheRedPill31/08/15 06:41 PM
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Well done. I did the same to end lengthy meetings and reduce the number attending. Today's online-only meeting: 3 minutes. I got to this through sheer alpha bravado. After making it clear why these meetings were both expensive and un-remunerative, the next time a meeting went off the rails, and despite the fact that half the participants were higher on the org chart than myself, I loudly proclaimed the meeting to be a waste of time, said exactly why, and walked out. I was willing to, as Patrice …
/r/TheRedPill31/08/15 06:40 PM
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That's not even close to what I said, but it's a typical response from the chip-on-shoulder Xtian. Very nicely Christian response. Take your passive aggression very much elsewhere. Indeed, discussion with you is futile, and I'm done.
/r/TheRedPill31/08/15 04:54 PM
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Come on - you can't blame the media for Ted Cruz. He is exactly that uptight, weak-kneed sexually averting (at least in his public statements) fundamentalist. And while you can say he's not representative, and I have little idea whether he is, he certainly has a following. And when you look at the ass-puckered statements of many elder members of Congress who also espouse their religious fervor, I'm sorry, but what they say is not being taken out of context, because the entire context is readily …
/r/TheRedPill31/08/15 03:30 PM
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Yeah, an RP man never chases a woman. And many women really cherish and strive to be chased. Which in the western world, we have typically called "courting". When a woman's family needed to qualify a man who might become family, courting was valuable. And, of course, a dowry was essentially compensation for the net loss that would otherwise occur when taking on a female as one's companion. Women had to live up to a variety of expectations of performance, in order to even be considered as a possi…
/r/TheRedPill31/08/15 02:46 PM
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But you have to do it in a way that isn't merely offensive, but plays on the central principles of the feminine imperative (dualistic sexual strategy, hypergamy, AF/BB). What you're doing is a bit of dread game - making her worry/wonder if you might be taken away by another woman. It's just one of a huge range of tools one uses to, as you say "express their core sexuality", while remaining in the RP zone. It would be easy to just be creepy, which is not the point, obviously. But essentially, yes…
/r/TheRedPill31/08/15 02:21 PM
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NAWALT is the fundamental error of somebody new to RP. I wish you could see the literally HUNDREDS of messages in this sub since it started, from people just like you, who disagreed with AWALT, who then posted that one, last, grievous posting here, about how they FINALLY get it, after having met that unicorn, and having her prove how absolutely, diabolically true and accurate the tenets of RP are. It happens over, and over, and over again, and unless you have the ability to learn from other peop…
/r/TheRedPill31/08/15 02:14 PM
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ITT: Lots and lots of people with NAWALT, who haven't understood RP fundamentals, defending the existence of unicorns. Sigh. TRP, you're drowning in your own success.
/r/TheRedPill31/08/15 01:55 PM
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You really have a huge case of NAWALT. Get over it.
/r/TheRedPill31/08/15 01:54 PM
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If your goal is to have "no tolerance for societal bullshit", then why care? Look, the feminist agenda has made anything approaching what they do (hypergamy, branch swinging, etc.), that men might also do, as awful, terrible, etc. It's the most threatening thing to their sexual strategy, and utterly wrecks it - IF it becomes endemic or even just openly popular, as they've managed to make hypergamy open. It is entirely about women shaming men for figuring them out. The answer is simple, and is ba…
/r/TheRedPill31/08/15 01:52 PM
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The weird thing is caring about "reputation". That sounds so high school. I'm an adult. I don't care about what women's cabals say,.
/r/TheRedPill31/08/15 02:35 AM
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Wrong on both accounts, but since you decided to analyze me, let me say that your "knowledge" n is about the most feminine-influenced, beta nonsense I've seen masquerading as RP, in some time. Women don't have honest criticism - they have hamsters that will tell you what they need to say to maintain their illusion of being right. So, while you can sling around derogatory terms like "retarded", as a way to "win" here, it all just keeps going down the beta drain. When you've successfully had 2.5-d…
/r/TheRedPill31/08/15 02:34 AM
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You don't grasp that I grasped it. Please don't blame me for your shallow understanding. I understand all this, and have for likely much longer than you've even thought about it. Your proselyting and, frankly, overly romanticized account shows a complete lack of objectivity. So... no need to continue. You are telling your story, ignoring the actual dialog here.
/r/TheRedPill31/08/15 02:30 AM
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They'd fling poo if they had the sensibility of a monkey. I'm just joking. Women have pretty much the same sensibility as a monkey.
/r/TheRedPill28/08/15 07:58 PM
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Where I live, there are multiple places. A good source of info: Fetlife.com.
/r/TheRedPill28/08/15 07:55 PM
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True. It's good to actually take some BDSM classes, have floggers, restraints, etc., and know the right, consensual, and safe way to use them. When I collar and tie back a woman's hands, they know they are utterly under my control. Interestingly, I've found the most self-declared empowered feminists to be the most utterly submissive, demanding that you order them to gag on your cock, fuck them anytime and anyplace you want to, etc. They all LOVE giving up their power to a man who knows what to d…
/r/TheRedPill28/08/15 07:43 PM
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Yup. I've never heard a complaint from them about that one.
/r/TheRedPill28/08/15 07:40 PM
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Wow, this is so true. One online encounter was a woman who'd just gotten out of a long term, sexless relationship. All three times we met, we fucked for hours, she squirted massive amounts (3 loads of laundry on each visit, literally), and came over and over. And fell in love, making all kinds of crazy statements about how I was the "perfect lover" (I'm not), and how nobody could ever measure up (so to speak). Which is why I nexted her. That kind of obsession is just trouble waiting to happen.
/r/TheRedPill28/08/15 07:39 PM
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He makes statements about your post, then never backs them up. Frankly, not sure that "sir_wankalot_here" is the best authority on actual human women.
/r/TheRedPill28/08/15 07:36 PM
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You just contradicted yourself. And agreed with me. Yet you showed neither. Meh, chalk it up to you guys have had different experiences. I've experienced exactly what OP is saying, more than once. How about this one, said to me by a plate about 18 months ago: "You could have cum any time in the last 15 minutes and we would have come together." 15 minute orgasm for her. Because she was in the right state of mind, and EVERYTHING I did, at that point, just kept it going. Maybe you need to meet some…
/r/TheRedPill28/08/15 07:35 PM
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That's why you have to spin several plates. Variety keeps everything interesting.
/r/TheRedPill28/08/15 07:32 PM
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Exactly. A couple weeks ago, an ex-plate, who split up with me claiming our relationship was "too much like a booty call", texted me for a booty call. And she used those exact words.
/r/TheRedPill28/08/15 07:31 PM
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I've found the cure to be looking over RP basics, with the constant undertone of AWALT. And rethink all the prior "infatuations". The conclusion: that shit is unreliable in the extreme. Works every time.
/r/TheRedPill28/08/15 07:06 PM
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I love when people misappropriate one subject's (unproven) tenets to prove something in another.
/r/TheRedPill28/08/15 06:51 PM
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Yeah - I've essentially made this point, in other parts of the thread, and clueless wannabe's argue about all the reasons you SHOULD talk to someone you've nexted. It's all either vindictive, or just entering her frame. Either way, if you haven't got better things to do than hear a useless, pointless ex-plate prattle on when you absolutely have no obligation to do so, then you need more productive activities in your life.
/r/TheRedPill28/08/15 06:39 PM
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Why waste productive time? This is all vindictive bullshit. Being vindictive about an ex is about as female as it gets. If you don't have better things to do, you need a life.
/r/TheRedPill28/08/15 06:37 PM
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Sure, but then it's an utter waste of time, and on somebody you have no interest in. Why even let her talk? She's going to, and already has, badmouthed you to friends for sure. Who CARES what she has to say at this point? I don't need to prove a fucking thing about my ability to be unaffected. What you're saying is, essentially, "prove you DGAF", when in fact, I really DGAF, which is why I don't care to spend even an instant proving it. And your final sentence is laughable, and a huge logical fa…
/r/TheRedPill28/08/15 06:36 PM
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Neither is good behavior for a man. Be stoic, and have unshakable frame. That's why you don't need to be mean, nor sweet. State the facts in a tone that makes it clear this is not a discussion, and be done with it.
/r/TheRedPill28/08/15 05:55 PM
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Bullshit. You don't understand the feminine imperative, their motivations, and their behavior. When they ask for "closure", it is code for "I'm going to tell you why you are not good enough for me". It is never about understanding anything. Believe me, if you've been in an actual relationship with them, they KNOW exactly why. That doesn't mean you can't explain, but you most certainly cannot discuss. And offering "closure" is just entering her frame, which you should never do, for any reason. It…
/r/TheRedPill28/08/15 05:53 PM
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I had one say essentially that. I called the police, they called her, and assessed the necessity to take her in for psych eval. She managed to stave them off. But she continued to send increasingly less often messages about what a terrible person I was. Apparently from beyond the grave...
/r/TheRedPill28/08/15 05:46 PM
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Nobody is good enough to earn exclusivity. AWALT should make that entirely clear. Exclusivity is near death insofar as being an alpha male is concerned. But hey, it's fun to let them try. Yeah, there seems to be that huge contingency of people here who've not yet really gotten just how diabolically accurate fundamental RP principles are, about women's behavior and motivations. They think they'll explain RP to the girl, she'll understand it, think logically, and fix her hypergamy and BB/AF search…
/r/TheRedPill28/08/15 05:44 PM
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Never share finances. Never. Never. Never. And yes, that probably means don't ever get married, which is equally good advice.
/r/TheRedPill28/08/15 05:41 PM
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All of this is within my experience as well. But even as an alpha, even when they KNOW I also see others (which I do, and I absolutely not only don't hide, but ensure it is understood as part of my lifestyle), I've still had them go nuts. One actually decided she'd "had enough" (of whatever she imagined was going on - which was absolutely delusional), over email, when I was in a 14-hour/day, two week extensive martial arts seminar 2000 miles away. So I just said, "Fine. Done." She had to be remo…
/r/TheRedPill28/08/15 05:40 PM
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Yup, that's how I do it. No emotion. Never angry. Just absolutely factual, absolutely no wiggle room. Done is done.
/r/TheRedPill28/08/15 05:32 PM
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That was the future she'd planned with you as her BB being rejected.
/r/TheRedPill28/08/15 05:32 PM
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Every nexting I've done has been via email or text. When I next, it is over, and no further discussion is allowed. Of course they want to talk - they want to tell you how awful YOU are, how they were gonna break up anyway, how they fucked your friends, blah blah. I truly could care less. When I next, it's because they failed in whatever parameters we established for the relationship, and I let them know that, and only that, and it's done.
/r/TheRedPill28/08/15 05:31 PM
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This is exactly how I next. I've written about it before. When I decide, it's done. The weird thing is in at least two cases, it was the girl who said it was "done", and all I did was immediately agree. Both were stunned and outraged that I'd simply and completely accept their offer. Both of those ended up as actual stalkers as a result, one of whom had to be removed from my home by police twice. The other tried to follow me literally, by tracking the events I went to on Facebook (we had, by the…
/r/TheRedPill28/08/15 05:28 PM
2

That's very gratifying. You're welcome.
/r/TheRedPill27/08/15 05:31 PM
2

This. That's exactly right. If you are trying to educate them, some will make the attempt, but again, it's like asking a fish to stop breathing with its gills. OP, you really have missed one of the key points about RP - it isn't a philosophy one just understands - it is a fairly ruthless, honest look at what motivates men and women sexually (in particular) and as life decisions in general. It isn't so much sociological as it is evolutionary biology, mixed with cultural aspects that actually warp…
/r/TheRedPill27/08/15 05:26 PM
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Why do you even think that is really a thing? It's like asking a fish to "unplug" from water, and to stop getting oxygen through its gills. It isn't a psychological or social issue, although those make it more or less pronounced. It's an imperative of evolutionary biology. Stop trying to fix it. Understand it and you'll win much more. Edit: I'm expounding just a bit on this. One of the principles of all sexual/romantic relationships is that attraction is not negotiable. That means you can't "log…
/r/TheRedPill26/08/15 08:46 PM
4

That is even excellent financial advice.
/r/TheRedPill26/08/15 08:28 PM
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Red Pill is literally impossible for a woman to fully grasp, without, I believe, driving her mad. It is basically the unveiling of the deepest motivations she has, often with poor direct awareness. It explains her inevitable behaviors without forgiveness, and with predictability that rivals engineering. It cannot actually be refuted logically, and that's a good thing, as women appear to be unsuited to a logical discussion about themselves. It is part of AWALT that women will always hit at emotio…
/r/TheRedPill26/08/15 08:26 PM
1

Honestly, I've never heard oneitis described as obsession alone. It's a mindset about there even being a "one".
/r/TheRedPill26/08/15 08:15 PM
7

I've dated a few of these mid-40's single moms. All their kids are a disaster. The "love" and "care" manifests as a frantic drive to keep them occupied at all times. I witnessed the complete meltdown of a 10 year old girl, caused by her mom, when the mom told her she had to get ready for yet another after school program. The girl just screamed and cried that she never had any time for herself, and didn't like this thing anyway, etc. The mom coerced her into going, despite the extreme distress th…
/r/TheRedPill25/08/15 05:51 PM
1

I think it is "gender identity" that is the social construct.
/r/TheRedPill25/08/15 05:47 PM
2

Logic is anathema to most feminists. Logic and science are tools of the Patriarchy, yo.
/r/TheRedPill25/08/15 05:47 PM
1

So what? Biologically, "no difference" types (feminists) are climate-change deniers. Facts just make them double down. They don't care how stupid they look, because they're "right".
/r/TheRedPill25/08/15 05:46 PM
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Yeah, more and more on dating sites, there are long lists of what you'd "better do" to impress her. I still don't know, beyond having tits and a vagina, what they think is so impressive about them that anybody should randomly gift them anything but a derisive laugh. And the post-wall ones are even worse - they think their typically bloated, divorced-with-children, "retired" (i.e. living off spousal support), absolutely uninteresting lives deserve the richest, most generous, adventurous, handsome…
/r/TheRedPill24/08/15 05:17 PM
1

The simplest way of saying all this: AWALT In which case, I'd also say the "crush count" and everything else here is just embellishment. If you really understand AWALT, then you are as well armed as you can be about it.
/r/TheRedPill20/08/15 03:28 PM
1

Excellent. Body language has been a serious effort this year, with tremendous improvements in the fine points of posture. The difference is tangible in terms of the IOIs I get.
/r/TheRedPill18/08/15 09:26 PM
3

A beta who won't provide isn't even human. Remember that.
/r/TheRedPill18/08/15 03:14 PM
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So, according to Donald Trump, all their students are Mexicans???
/r/TheRedPill11/08/15 07:17 PM
4

This is extremely true. One big payout and all those rules will change to make it clear it is gender neutral. If they still fuck that up -- cha ching!
/r/TheRedPill11/08/15 07:17 PM
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Feminists don't understand how their own agenda is destroying their own agency, and handing it to others. They won't like the result, because fairness isn't in their vocabulary, except as a slang term for misandry.
/r/TheRedPill11/08/15 07:16 PM
1

I wish I could share photos of women I've dated and banged through these sites, but it's just not something I collect or try to prove anything with. But, if by "high SMV" you mean 18-21 year olds (the range most men of all ages are attracted to the most, per actual data from millions of "likes" on OKC), then... again, wrong. They are a bit too young for my dating - my youngest in the last couple years would be 23, and late 20's is pretty common for me. But I'm a lot older than that. But they com…
/r/TheRedPill10/08/15 11:40 PM
1

That's the PC way, and a lot of family court is very PC.
/r/TheRedPill10/08/15 08:00 PM
1

But your meaning for evidence doesn't apply. You may as well complain about the cars they sell at McDonald's.
/r/TheRedPill10/08/15 07:59 PM
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Yup. But this isn't a criminal court. The rules of evidence are much more relaxed. The judge has much more leeway in deciding what to allow or not.
/r/TheRedPill10/08/15 06:24 PM
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OP has added "facts" that are not in the linked story, and are suspect. Read the story, but here's what he said that have no support from the story: That's what she says, that he made an oral agreement with her. She has no proof of this promise or this oral agreement, its just his word against hers. What the story actually says: She originally refused to sign it, but a few days before her wedding, she agreed to sign after her husband promised her he would do away with the prenup once the two beg…
/r/TheRedPill10/08/15 05:20 PM
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LA IS ALL ABOUT STREET PICK UP, NO ONE IS ONLINE OUT HERE Dead wrong. Life-long LA-er here. There are 10s of thousands of women, and tons of them young, on dating sites here. OP either doesn't know or didn't try, because it takes about 1 second or less to find this out on any major dating site, from tame ones like POF, to kinky hookups like AFF. Thousands, 10's of thousands, 100's of thousands - wouldn't know the real number, but I've personally seen something like 10 thousand profiles over the …
/r/TheRedPill10/08/15 03:28 PM
1

I think part of the problem is that there isn't one way that's "right". In fact, not sure what "right" means, as it depends on your own goals, and how one wants to treat people. Some of us like a little crazy, so the advice, "don't stick your dick in crazy", is probably the best, but the least likely to be done.
/r/TheRedPill10/08/15 02:36 PM
2

I had a partner do this - 3 breakups, and within a day she would deny having ever done so, each time. Even with email and text evidence, she simply said that's not what she meant. As if "I'm out, I can't handle this" (referring to her jealousies) isn't a breakup. After 3 of these, I accepted the fourth, and she blew right up, but that was that. I'd said so, and meant it. She can play fast and loose with her word, because she's a woman and no RP guy expects them to mean what they say, ever. But I…
/r/TheRedPill10/08/15 12:29 AM
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Ah, here's just one of several that were at the top of the search. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/1475-6811.00012/abstract
/r/TheRedPill10/08/15 12:25 AM
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Depends on how they stalk. Give you two real-world examples from my life: Broke up with one when she accused me, literally, of banging all the dancers in a show I was playing (music) for. Nothing was going on, but she basically was absolutely sure, and said, "come back when you're ready".This was a pre-RP, monogamous relationship. I said, "fine, we're done then." This kills the sanity. Even though unfriended on FB, by then, she'd made mutual friends (all mine), and often knew when I'd said I'd b…
/r/TheRedPill10/08/15 12:17 AM
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Found in 0.41 seconds, according to google, and I used literally this to search on: "number of partners" "pair bonding" human The top two are both scientific publications. Up your Google fu.
/r/TheRedPill10/08/15 12:06 AM
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Pfft. Mine is to hard next. It's a failsafe strategy, because they own exactly nothing of me.
/r/TheRedPill08/08/15 01:57 AM
1

There are PLENTY of studies that show higher partner counts correlate with impaired pair-bonding. A little Google will show it up.
/r/TheRedPill07/08/15 10:55 PM
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That's a really good point. Personally, I won't help a person cheat - if they wanna fuck, it's going to be above board. But a lot of playahs out there have a DADT policy, which is understandable.
/r/TheRedPill07/08/15 10:02 PM
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Yup. I date 20-30 years younger (these are not typically moms), and get that vapid and rapid love thing from them often. Four of them have been stalkers after I nexted them. As for shame - I've never experienced it. People who comment negatively on it just seem weird and odd to me. And by people, I mean universally, older women, and even more particularly, other plates, since my plates all know there are other plates. Or even older women I've just met and had a date with - again, since I let it …
/r/TheRedPill07/08/15 10:00 PM
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It says "date" not "marry". Date them - they're actually easy. Just be aware they want to escalate rapidly once they think you're it. That's the time to next them (I've done it a few times).
/r/TheRedPill07/08/15 09:56 PM
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Meh. This is common RP advice. I have plated single moms a number of times, without being the beta bucks guy. I haven't found them any worse than non-moms (of any age, although most of the moms I've dated were in their early 40s), other than their scheduling difficulties. And by no worse, I mean AWALT. Period.
/r/TheRedPill07/08/15 09:56 PM
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TRP is fight club. The only people who really know it and can talk about it are in it. It's been stated here many times: don't try to discuss it with your friends. Don't try to "explain" to a plate why she behaves how she does. Don't ever attempt to convince. Just use it. Win. Let the rest wonder why.
/r/TheRedPill07/08/15 01:41 AM
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There has been such research. Read "Sperm Wars" - a popular book, but the evolutionary biologist that wrote it, did so after publishing a fully peer-reviewed paper on the subject, with all the appropriate scientific/technical info, for those interested. The book, however, is fine for the generally intelligent person. Edit: BTW, the book was written in 1995, the paper even earlier - before the manosphere. But practically all the basic tenents of TRP are there, as evolved behaviors, with explanati…
/r/TheRedPill05/08/15 06:20 PM
1

Keep apologizing, but maybe to the guy who you were a dick to?
/r/TheRedPill05/08/15 04:58 PM
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And another off topic, slightly shaming response. You really don't get it, do you? Tagged as "too stupid to get it".
/r/TheRedPill04/08/15 09:33 PM
3

Nah, I'd agree with your initial assessment. Chad doesn't brood in a corner as his sexual strategy. That's just a beta guy's dream.
/r/TheRedPill04/08/15 08:16 PM
1

Always. That goes for anybody you encounter.
/r/TheRedPill04/08/15 08:15 PM
3

I've literally had women "fall in love" after good sex, but I was perceived by them as being a couple points above themselves (which wasn't necessarily so physically, but their own body issues made them think so). But generally, it is men who think sex has meaning, insofar as it forwards bonding. Far more women I've met see sex as a transaction of some kind, or at best (from the beta perspective) "earned" (by the man).
/r/TheRedPill04/08/15 08:15 PM
1

I love "no offense, but" followed by personal attacks. How very womanly. Edit: Bonus info from the sidebar, in case you feel like doubling down: Feminist Shaming Tactics Charge of Irascibility (Code Red) Discussion: The target is accused of having anger management issues. Whatever negative emotions he has are assumed to be unjustifiable. Examples: “You’re bitter!” “You need to get over your anger at women.” “You are so negative!” Response: Anger is a legitimate emotion in the face of injustice. …
/r/TheRedPill04/08/15 08:09 PM
2

Because this is RP, and if you have been around more than 5 minutes, you should know that anger is the COMMON phase men have to get through once they realize the truth of RP. There have been so many posts here about that, and about the various phases. Adjust your reality, because that's what it is.
/r/TheRedPill04/08/15 08:08 PM
0

You have agency over the fact that you have no agency? Huh? This is about the only constant I see in the hamster - that they absolutely know they are hamstering, and will ride that hamster as far as it can get them. Women basically hate the kinds of responsibilities they expect a guy to shoulder (mostly on their account). Working for a living - and actually enjoying it, in a non-glamorous job - they almost universally hate that. That's what the BB chumps are for. But they aren't slaves to the ha…
/r/TheRedPill04/08/15 08:06 PM
1

Partially there. Saturday, popular live music bar, went with a plate (some mutual friends). Immediately, some member of the group, whom I didn't know at all, was all over me - way too much IoI, and you could see I looked like a steaming hot sausage in her mind, heh. She was older than the rest of the group, and claimed she was there with some guy who was literally less than half her age. But said guy was clearly staking out his own territory, and appeared to take no notice of her. I chalk that u…
/r/TheRedPill04/08/15 07:17 PM
1

We aren't going to agree, and we aren't even arguing. Thanks for your perspective.
/r/TheRedPill03/08/15 02:39 AM
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I definitely limit reasoning with women to light subjects, at which point it is more idle chatter than reasoning. When I know something will be contentious, I'm just going to jam it metaphorically down their throats. Interestingly, this gets a strangely positive response from them. Example: A regular plate, whom I've seen many times over the last 10 months, hung around for a few days (we do that every so often), and when she left, she took a few beers with with her from my fridge, without tellin…
/r/TheRedPill01/08/15 09:18 PM
0

You missed the point. Also, you are aware the manosphere is not at all in accord on your point? There are many who see people using MGTOW as an excuse to just have no game. That's the type of risk avoidance that DOESN'T work.
/r/TheRedPill01/08/15 08:55 PM
15

Note: Guaranteed unpopular opinions expressed herein. Dear college-going men, I finished college before you were born, and the one thing about the current crop of college-goers that I know is that you will become the new "general population", over time, and the values you have will influence what is considered normal. I believe this culture of zero-tolerance, which really means zero justice, zero rationality, and zero common sense, is becoming more and more "normal". And honestly, if you want to…
/r/TheRedPill31/07/15 01:41 AM
1

Beware of the simple "get a damn prenup" advice. Judges are free to throw out any and all provisions of such agreements if, in their own opinion solely, the provisions are "unfair" (to her, typically). You need an expert with a lot of experience in writing a prenup, as they are very tuned to your specific life, property, and wealth.
/r/TheRedPill30/07/15 04:30 PM
5

I have been to Zzyzx. Or rather, I have been to that non-place that has been given that name. Your town must actually be a rain-damaged shoebox floating down a sewer if it's anyplace less hip than Zzyzx. Yeah, that type. They can make good plates for a little while, but there's always drama.
/r/TheRedPill30/07/15 04:21 PM
3

So much feminist rhetoric denies women any agency, that if it were all believed, then all women would have to be kept in well-padded rooms with dim lights, soft music, and straws to suck on predigested foods.
/r/TheRedPill29/07/15 09:10 PM
2

Have you ever seen a whisk? Say no more...
/r/TheRedPill27/07/15 07:20 PM
1

It hasn't been "debunked" - you need to look that up. It has been argued with, and counter-theories provided. And none of them - including this one - has anything going for it but "preponderance of evidence". Evolutionary biology is mostly, by its nature, unprovable, by which I mean all it is is speculation as to the evolutionary rationale for what ever phenomena of behavior can be observed now. It is reverse-engineering guesswork. All of it. So, on that basis, there is no evolutionary biology. …
/r/TheRedPill27/07/15 07:17 PM
4

Which is about as stupid as it gets, but hey... look whom we're talking about.
/r/TheRedPill25/07/15 01:46 AM
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They hate it when we game their secret game. The whole attack on TRP is about exactly that.
/r/TheRedPill25/07/15 01:44 AM
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Whether it’s dating younger women, multiple women or only a certain type of women, men and women will attempt to shame you. I can speak to this one. I'm an openly non-monogamous man. My plates all know this - there will be no exclusivity. I also often date women much younger - close to half my age (my current main plate is 24 years younger than me - and yes, legal). I also like, but don't exclusively date, Asian women. And I've taken shit for all these things, but mostly for dating without exclu…
/r/TheRedPill25/07/15 01:39 AM
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No, some women are terrifically attracted to men and only men. But in my experience, most have a pretty wide bisexual streak, whether they act on it or not.
/r/TheRedPill25/07/15 01:16 AM
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If anything, it gives credence to "men are unnecessary". If women generally realize they can victimize other WOMEN (whom generally they despise anyway), there could be a massive, sudden rise in female "bisexual" or "lesbian" populations.
/r/TheRedPill25/07/15 01:15 AM
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The whole "women aren't built for promiscuity" is such utter crap. Read the book "Sperm Wars", written by an actual evolutionary biologist. Evolutionary biology is oft cited as a core rationale for RP canon. Women are just as, if not more, made for non-monogamy than men are. In fact, both men's penises and women's vagina have some very interesting adaptations that are functionally explained as competition amongst different men's sperm in the same vaginal canal. Here's one: only about 10% of sper…
/r/TheRedPill25/07/15 01:13 AM
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I dated a pansexual chick who had identified as, and lived as, a lesbian for 7 years, within the lesbian community of a major city. When she discovered she was also attracted to men, and fucked one, she told a lesbian friend. She was ostracized. Her sexual preference is apparently considered awful among serious lesbians, and they treated her like a homosexual man would be in the 50's. Interesting, considering the rhetoric from that camp, eh? They are bullshitters and assholes like most people.
/r/TheRedPill25/07/15 12:54 AM
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That is perhaps the best point that could be made about it.
/r/TheRedPill25/07/15 12:51 AM
1

Lol! Point granted. Stuff that hits you in the head randomly would be a bad thing without a helmet, but that was NEVER the safety factor being considered.
/r/TheRedPill23/07/15 11:52 PM
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Motorcycleaccident.com estimates helmets reduce the likelihood of a crash by 37%. I hope they didn't actually say exactly that, because helmets have no effect on the likelihood of a crash. The outcome of the crash, yes.
/r/TheRedPill22/07/15 10:57 PM
1

Simple: true abundance mentality. Spin plates, and acquire news ones regularly.
/r/TheRedPill22/07/15 06:36 PM
2

Honestly, I've seen it taken as "somebody who might commit", since I did in the past. It's also a sure sign some other woman though you were that interesting (preselection). Now, imagine going to a party with a beautiful girl, and chatting up the other girls, bringing up the divorced thing. Not only were you preselected by the earlier marriage, they have somebody to compete with RIGHT THERE! That was basically Saturday.
/r/TheRedPill21/07/15 03:10 PM
1

Mmm... no, I wouldn't say there's anything about marriage or divorce that says "abundance", unless you had an actively open marriage and actually had some abundance then. And besides, don't "portray" abundance mentality. Spin a bunch of plates and actually have it. There is no substitute. The subtle cues that really communicate it are not fakeable entirely.
/r/TheRedPill20/07/15 08:53 PM
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I don't see the point of trying not to say "things that may give me away." Frankly, in my opinion, such dishonesty is very... womanly. Women lie about their count, what they've done (sexually), how often and with whom, etc. Tell them when the situation comes up. I'm divorced, and generally consider myself "single" - because like you, I have no drama, baggage, children, etc. resulting from it. It's not a factor in my life. But if I'm asked or it comes up in context, I have no problem telling abou…
/r/TheRedPill20/07/15 08:49 PM
3

Amazing. I've been doing almost all of this (and very successfully) for a couple years. Was online and doing okay even before that, but it was pre-RP, so I started everything over when I started over. I will make one huge exception, to what OP has written, knowing full well it is very anti-RP-canon: I have no fear of the divorced mother. I've dated and plated them a number of times. I give those relationships 6 months at most, but particularly the early stages are very hot. Perhaps the reason I …
/r/TheRedPill15/07/15 12:59 AM
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I'm not sure why you think anybody wouldn't realize that there is a genetic record earlier than the brief one humans have. But whatever, you're still stating your opinion as fact. Equating hormonal states with a specific and complex mental/emotional state is brinksmanship, scientifically. I'll just call bullshit on this as anything but your considered opinion.
/r/TheRedPill14/07/15 05:01 PM
0

The point was that oneitis exists to aid child-rearing and assure DNA passed on succeeds. I think communal raising is an even better strategy for that, but there's zero evidence oneitis is genetic. Pair-bonding is not oneitis. There are even tribes where the mother rarely knows who the father is, as sex is more casual, and in some very primitive cases, it's been observed the tribe isn't aware of the causal relationship between sex and pregnancy. It's an opinion, therefore (both yours and mine) a…
/r/TheRedPill14/07/15 04:39 PM
1

The mods do that all the time.
/r/TheRedPill14/07/15 04:31 PM
1

Aaaannnnd that's democracy, folks. :-/
/r/TheRedPill14/07/15 04:27 PM
0

Interesting opinions, but there are plenty of examples of alternate lifestyles, particularly amongst primitive peoples, that show oneities is hardly genetic. Even many North American aborigines were of a somewhat communal nature regarding relationships and child-rearing, belying the "need" for oneities. Not that people then didn't have monogamy, it just wasn't the standard that it is in our society. I believe oneitis to be entirely programmed in by conditioning.
/r/TheRedPill14/07/15 04:23 PM
3

And Harlan is (or mostly was) not a man to go into a battle of wits with. Few are as well armed or armored.
/r/TheRedPill13/07/15 11:52 PM
4

A lot of subs have the new poster problem, where people didn't bother to do a single search of the topic they want to write about. The non-monogamy sub is the worst I know of for this. Almost everyday there is one or more posts on exactly the same thing: "my <bf/gf> wants to open our relationship. I has bad feels. What I do?" It takes a lot longer than a few months to have anything valuable to add to the discussion on RP. Better to lurk, comment, and really CHANGE yourself, not just report a flu…
/r/TheRedPill13/07/15 11:50 PM
3

I had a French wife for some years. She claimed the French also find Dutch men boring and "plain". Equated them with overly careful, slow drivers.
/r/TheRedPill12/07/15 01:59 AM
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At a typical bar, women don't pay for drinks anyway. So, they'll come for the savings, but nobody will get them, AND they'll have a larger female population, drawing more guys - who will pay for their drinks. Smart marketing.
/r/TheRedPill08/07/15 08:43 PM
3

The wage gap thing is "real" for some. I've known several "underpaid" women in good professions, and in every case, they were phoning in their work, doing the very least necessary to remain employed. This was not implied - I dated them, and saw it first hand. I've also dated women who did their jobs well, and never heard anything about a wage gap from them. In particular, women I know who are in technical fields AND interested in/excited by their jobs, and obviously put in the effort, get promot…
/r/TheRedPill08/07/15 08:40 PM
3

Most people show no symptoms, and a huge percentage don't know they carry it. I had a plate who had had it for 30 years, and had only passed it to the one person, before she found out she had it. She's very sexually active, but learned how to manage the risk (including refusing sex when she knew the risk was higher for her partner). I did not get herpes from her. The stigma is entirely created by pharma companies to sell VERY expensive, often lifetime/daily, drugs that don't do much more than yo…
/r/TheRedPill08/07/15 07:55 PM
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The interesting thing about a vaccine is, excluding anti-vaxxers, if this becomes prevalent, then people with Herpes cease to have the social stigma, since if you're inoculated, you generally don't need to care if the partner got it before the vaccine existed. The news on the vaccine is a bit shaky - but related viruses are being figured out (including a whole family that includes the common cold and many others). They are finding even that some specifically sequenced combinations of antivirals …
/r/TheRedPill08/07/15 07:53 PM
0

You have a partial understanding of the disease itself. Look at the difference between HSV-1 and HSV-2.
/r/TheRedPill08/07/15 07:50 PM
1

This is easily researched, and absolutely true. HSV is almost always a big nothing - a slight inconvenience, minus the social stigma. Health risks are very low to negligible if you are otherwise healthy.
/r/TheRedPill08/07/15 07:49 PM
0

A doctor I know who is, among other things, an STI specialist, said HSV-1 (the OTHER herpes) is at about 90% based on his testing. He said it wasn't worth being tested for HSV-1, since almost everyone has it.
/r/TheRedPill08/07/15 07:47 PM
2

And, because she was a "mother hen" (and I presume unattractive), so: "I definitely could lose myself in your wrinkles"
/r/TheRedPill07/07/15 03:28 PM
1

"That's not what you said last night."
/r/TheRedPill07/07/15 03:27 PM
2

"Well, I've got a shit to lose right now, and if you're in the way, it's yours".
/r/TheRedPill07/07/15 03:27 PM
2

There is a way to show some of this and remain alpha. But never pedestalize - that's never alpha, unless done ironically.
/r/TheRedPill03/07/15 04:11 PM
2

This is true. And it is perhaps the hardest thing to internalize in the RP canon. BP men believe women will put the creative effort into their love affair that men do, but the only time this happens is when you are really exceeding her expectations by retaining frame despite her attempts to shit test you. Women are conquered and want to be, and they are occupied territory when you do. If your "boots on the ground" grows weak or gets thin, they look for another master. That's the simplicity, and …
/r/TheRedPill03/07/15 04:10 PM
1

No maybe about it. If they are interested in men at all, that would be a super common thing. Really, it's neither more nor less than a shit-test - if your frame stands up to their feminism AND you manage to not just be an asshole about it (although sometimes even then), you will be one of the rare ones "worthy" of her super specialness. Frankly, every one of them I've bedded has been deep into bondage (theirs), impact play (performed on them), and pretty much all the typical submissive kink stuf…
/r/TheRedPill03/07/15 01:14 AM
3

You are correct. I am a "solo poly" guy, and I date women who are themselves poly (responsibly) or in some cases, women who are very interested in trying that. Some manage, some don't. Women who get the idea they should lock me down get hard nexted, without looking back. Those who show disrespect and don't repent when I point it out to them: hard nexted. And I mean really. There is a right way to do this, and it isn't by being a doormat for pussy (now I have THAT image stuck in my head...) It wo…
/r/TheRedPill30/06/15 03:11 PM
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Not the way they do it. One absolutely can have the equivalent of polygamy without actually multiple marriages in the legal sense. Imagine if 3 families decided to live together in a compound. The adults of the family are polyamorous, and they have sex with one another in various configurations, while doing child raising, provisioning, and other tasks collectively. This actually exists, and is somewhat more common in various ways than you might think (I know more than one person involved in such…
/r/TheRedPill30/06/15 03:00 PM
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SJWs are often stupid. There, I said it. It's like the anti-vaxxer or anti-climate-change crowd (may as well be anti-gravity, heh). They have a selective ignorance, and it's extremely binary - things are VERY TRUE (good), or VERY EVIL! (bad). Remember the university prof (or maybe he was some other university post) who correctly used the word "nigardly" in a speech? The word sounds ever so vaguely like the word "nigger", and SJWs went up in arms against him. He explained through the media what t…
/r/TheRedPill30/06/15 02:51 PM
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Can't say how many times in my RP history I've heard this "I found NAWALT!" from somebody. Check back in a year.
/r/TheRedPill29/06/15 07:43 PM
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Oh, most definitely. I've found the more "radical" they are as a feminist, the more they love submitting. I think being an asshole is inconsistent with amused mastery. Being self-assured, using agree and amplify cleverly, allows you to increase your standing (shit tests passed) while remaining (seemingly) friendly and in good humor.
/r/TheRedPill29/06/15 07:34 PM
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Yeah, it's a whole other game when you become Chad Thundercock.
/r/TheRedPill29/06/15 07:30 PM
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Polygamy doesn't need to be legally sanctioned. There are, in the polyamory community, three, four and more "way" marriages. The topologies even have names. They may not be "official", but they often involve a contract, shared resources and child rearing, etc.
/r/TheRedPill29/06/15 04:27 PM
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Yeah, anybody over about 16, finding RP, probably feels that way. But meh. Spilled milk. All the fun stuff is what you create for your future, anyway.
/r/TheRedPill29/06/15 04:14 PM
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I don't really think anybody confuses "feminine" with "feminism" at all. It's famously a trope that severe feminists are most un-feminine. (But that's not always true). The larger picture however is spot on - many feminists are desperate to be owned and dominated by a man. Period. Too much experience with them has shown me it is this way. I'll just brag by way of examples. Right now, my longest term plate (of about 9 months) started out super touchy about feminism, shit testing me with the stuff…
/r/TheRedPill29/06/15 04:13 PM
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It is reality. I've had more than one plate literally lay out the whole dualistic sexual strategy, brag about the betas they took advantage of, as well as hey they overtly use sexuality to snag the Chad Thundercocks. Rollo write a lot now about "open hypergamy", and how it is now more and more completely overt.
/r/TheRedPill29/06/15 02:57 PM
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Rollo (The Rational Male) has been writing for some time now about the increase in "open hypergamy" that society now encourages in women. Take a look at the last year of his blog, and you'll be gratified to see this analyzed from many angles.
/r/TheRedPill29/06/15 02:55 PM
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OP, you're very new with RP. All those behaviors will take time to truly change, to actually internalize as part of who you are, the characteristics of the confident, more alpha male. People commonly start pretty much where you are, or near enough. My own experience: it takes a couple years of continuous study, practice and application, to even work out what it is that you feel is that better version of you - which optimizes your abilities and talents in the direction of leading a more self-actu…
/r/TheRedPill29/06/15 02:48 PM
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My experience online with Asians is about as opposite of what you say as possible. Undesirable? Many are incredibly attractive. You see this as some kind of alternative, but nowadays, it is just an adjunct to whatever else one does to meet people.
/r/TheRedPill29/06/15 02:27 PM
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Not for any woman above about a 3.5/10, no it is not. Do YOU disagree?
/r/TheRedPill27/06/15 01:10 AM
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This is for all human interactions. Evaluate people on what they do or don't do.
/r/TheRedPill27/06/15 12:03 AM
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More than once I've had a date or plate completely layout the dualistic sexual strategy (AF/BB), and brag about their "accomplishments" using it. I've run into people on TRP who think it is "subconscious" and "instinct". It may also be that, but it is definitely also very conscious, intentional, well understood, and something they feel absolutely entitled to. Never think women are innocent because "they are just following instincts". And never think you are amoral for using what you learn here. …
/r/TheRedPill27/06/15 12:01 AM
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So what? I don't know anybody's birthday but my immediate family. Who cares? Mods: please, this is absolute noise.
/r/TheRedPill26/06/15 03:01 PM
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Yeah, I've seen some posts here about exactly that.
/r/TheRedPill26/06/15 01:12 AM
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At least two of those women became stalkers when I nexted them. One had to be removed from my place, where she'd never lived, twice by police. So, I guess you could say they were trying harder. But most don't get very far - maybe 1 or 2 dates - before I can sense it. The one I mention above was about 5 months in when I realized she was insanely jealous of other plates, which in my world, is unacceptable. I always warn twice, and then I hard next if they don't change. But as for that "committed h…
/r/TheRedPill26/06/15 12:10 AM
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There's a sub for it: r/redpillwomen I've known a few. The ones I know see RP as a chance to NOT play the game - the women I know who identify as this try to understand the psychology of women as described in RP, and want to mitigate their bad behaviors. My experience also shows there isn't a one capable of doing that, but they like to think this makes them more enlightened for modern times.
/r/TheRedPill25/06/15 11:52 PM
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Women have vast social safety nets for their bad behavior. They are cushioned by the prevalence of propaganda-addled beta men. All kinds of women's support organizations and activities exist. Men? We are just thrown under the bus. That is one of the harshest lessons one can internalize with TRP, but when you understand the unwavering truth of it, you are actually that much freer to not GAF.
/r/TheRedPill25/06/15 11:49 PM
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Excellent report. Yes, women absolutely do know about the dualistic AF/BB strategy - it is not some subconscious drive, but a well articulated strategy. I've had more than one woman lay it all out that way as well.
/r/TheRedPill25/06/15 11:47 PM
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An on-again, off-again plate, yes.
/r/TheRedPill25/06/15 11:44 PM
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See, you think I surprise them with that -- I don't. It's very much disclosed before there is any date, so the preselection is 100%. All women who date me have had it made clear they will not be exclusive. Those dead-set on monogamy? I never date them. I've actually had some women who initiated interest practically beg and whine something like, "really? are you sure?" One straight up said, "one date with me and you won't want the others". Seriously. I wish I knew whether predisposition to non-mo…
/r/TheRedPill25/06/15 11:42 PM
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You guys are smart enough to figure out what happened next Pop tarts? A sudden Game-of-Thrones style mass killing? Really, an excellent post. I've found especially that DGAF concerning whether she fucks you or not, or what is often called outcome-independence, results in everybody having a much better time. And as you point out, REALLY not caring if she fucks you, but being the guy should really wants to fuck, will often get them over the LMR.
/r/TheRedPill25/06/15 04:53 PM
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Well, apparently I at least understand what that means, because...yikes, it certainly is.
/r/TheRedPill25/06/15 04:30 PM
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Yeah, but look at things like the 48 Laws of Power, which has entered the RP canon. It's all entirely manipulation. Manipulation alone is not evil, or even amoral. Can it be? Yes, but it also appears to be one of the most common denominators of what our society considers success to be. (Example: 99.99% of politicians, to make up a statistic).
/r/TheRedPill25/06/15 04:27 PM
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While personally I agree that one doesn't need to lie to women to have plates and live the life, I also think you must have missed the rather large chunk of RP, which is essentially, "act like a Dark Triad". Which means far more than a "mild" disorder. It's just that women love that type. Abusive? I think so, and it's not for me, but I can't really say that manipulation itself is wrong. I find it unnecessary, and I believe lying particularly to plates about relationships, is actually a frame los…
/r/TheRedPill25/06/15 04:20 PM
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I know a guy like John. He has no job (I think he might deal drugs), and seems to have infinite time to just go to parties, festivals, etc. Women flock to him. He has the time.
/r/TheRedPill25/06/15 04:16 PM
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This is true. And women are VERY conscious of their dualistic strategy, and their use of it. I've had more than one, in just normal conversation, straight-up describe the AF/BB strategy, rather proudly, and how they use it to manipulate guys. I kind of thought morality shaming was now forbidden in this sub? I swear, we still have people here who think the only valid strategy is finding The One, marrying her, having babies, etc. And most likely, being miserable, getting divorce raped, cheated on,…
/r/TheRedPill25/06/15 04:15 PM
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Thanks for writing this. I've expressed the same thing in several responses in this thread. I consider it the height of "female" logic to lie about relationships. They have no frame, we do (or we don't). Each lie to maintain a fictitious frame to a woman is actually a loss of frame. It's the type of weakness I expect from a woman. For all the lip service about what a man is, when this subject of being upfront with one's personal dating strategy comes up, you get fear and fear-driven hatred direc…
/r/TheRedPill25/06/15 04:10 PM
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If you really want to keep it secure; provide access on a separate box would do the trick Yup. I keep an old laptop with a guest account for ... well, guests (typically plates). They can see what each other has been doing, which I don't care about, since they already know I see others.
/r/TheRedPill25/06/15 04:05 PM
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I wrote about exactly that elsewhere in this thread. Your experience matches mine, and I'm still openly non-exclusive. I'd forgotten about the gifts, but yeah, that too. Definitely household chores, sex of all kinds (rough and kinky? no problem). I haven't really gotten the "not working" since I went solo poly (i.e. I have no primary partner, and don't make a hierarchy of my relationships, which drives some of them nuts). Because they know the score with me before even the first date, I don't ge…
/r/TheRedPill25/06/15 04:02 PM
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Nah, if you can't be absolutely upfront about the fact you fuck and date others, you're playing the "female" game - it's what they do (lie about their other relationships). Don't do that. You want frame? When they ask "how many people do you see", be truthful and absolutely unapologetic. I was asked this by a potential plate just a couple weeks ago, and I told her (3). That was a first date, and it ended rather intimately.
/r/TheRedPill25/06/15 03:56 PM
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Good point. I don't think lying to women is something that promotes comfortably looking at oneself in the mirror. It's like lying to a child to get it to do what you want. If you can't command, as a man, that much authority, then you have to work on yourself. Have the game to get the plates even when they know they are just plates. FFS, many of them LOVE to fuck the guy who is the exact opposite of what they pretend to want - that much should be obvious to anybody lurking here for a week. The fo…
/r/TheRedPill25/06/15 03:54 PM
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Being up front is much harder initially, and much easier after. This. I always ensure even before a first date, that a potential plate knows that I date (and fuck) others, and that this is my lifestyle, not a strategy to find "the one". It does weed out some, but I've been surprised at the outwardly "vanilla" girls who will go for this. I don't need all that work of maintaining lies, and honestly, I find it un-manly to have to lie to women. They probably have to lie to me, but why on earth shoul…
/r/TheRedPill25/06/15 03:49 PM
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Just to play devil's advocate, you can get women more into you when they think it's exclusive and they'll do more stuff for you and work harder to please you because they're more excited about "the relationship". May I weigh in? I'm an ethically non-monogamous guy, what they call "solo poly" now. I feel most people in this sub don't understand this as a lifestyle, and I'm afraid what you wrote as devil's advocate just isn't true. Not even close. I do make sure everybody I date knows that I both …
/r/TheRedPill25/06/15 03:44 PM
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This is practically the standard among pre-wall Asian girls. They go same-race when they hit the wall, most often.
/r/TheRedPill25/06/15 03:17 PM
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Classic Asian (in the US) - date only white guys (or sometimes only black guys) while riding the CC, grab a same-race guy when they hit the wall for those BB. It's so easy to see on online dating sites - younger Asians often say they "DON'T DATE ASIANS!" Older ones? "ONLY DATE ASIANS!". And remember, we're not talking every single person, just propensity, and clear majority. So if you have that exception (as I do), good on you.
/r/TheRedPill25/06/15 03:14 PM
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And you're shaming me? Go post in two-xx or whatever, where that's not recognized as beta bullshit.
/r/TheRedPill24/06/15 05:47 PM
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Ah, shaming. And I thought that was officially forbidden here. Let's not get into your lack of understanding. There's no end to that discussion.
/r/TheRedPill24/06/15 05:11 PM
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Good point. The high-upvote posts generally are at best entertainment. They rarely aren't just more noise.
/r/TheRedPill24/06/15 05:07 PM
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I totally get this. That kind of disrespect is a full stop, and a complete next. I've taken some serious shit on this sub for expressing the same idea, but now, mods are on top of the "my way is the only way" shaming. No questions here about that final fuck - makes perfect sense. I've done exactly the same to a few plates who just couldn't figure out how to show respect. I'm non-monogamous, and date mostly women who profess the same. One plate (similarly multi-orgasmic to your ex) has another, l…
/r/TheRedPill24/06/15 03:12 PM
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Then the entire post is pointless, and here's why: if you haven't got abundance mentality, based on actual abundance, then you will have, to some degree, oneitis, and your post is absolutely loaded with it. Bottom line: deal with it or don't, but get more plates. Have options, and absolutely and always, be willing to walk without further ado.
/r/TheRedPill21/06/15 09:43 PM
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People have different strategies. I prefer the truth. If I'm dating someone, they know I take non-monogamy as a lifestyle, not a dating strategy until "The One" comes along. That said, each such relationship seeks its own level and status, and that is true at any given moment. The past means nothing in a relationship (as it does with the female dualistic sexual strategy). Look, it's a shit test anyway, and to be honest, the fact you "fear" to confront it means you have already lost frame. She be…
/r/TheRedPill21/06/15 09:41 PM
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Strangely, we don't seem to get a lot of posts here about actual sex. We hear about being "Chad Thundercock", but it's more than, as you say, just displaying alpha characteristics. You have to be able to deliver the goods. Technique is good, but feedback rules it all - you have to know when its working, and not wait for her to tell you it's not. Vanilla sex is going to affirm one as a beta, or, as she'll put it, a "mistake" she's made.
/r/TheRedPill21/06/15 09:19 PM
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Most likely, they were the biggest BP proponents when you were growing up. They're seeing all that hard work vanish. Carry On. Hold that frame.
/r/TheRedPill21/06/15 09:00 PM
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Thanks very much. We have people here who are straight and vanilla, to serious kinksters of all stripes. I've been the target of such morality trolling even within the week, since I post from the polyamorous/non-monogamous perspective, and these almost always get such morality trolls, or other shaming (thinking that multiple partners means being a cuckold is a typical one). Of all the subs here, this one has the least reason to even have a "moral high ground" - we're just trying to get a handle …
/r/TheRedPill21/06/15 08:08 PM
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I knew she was fucked in the head when she said, "Well, MY feminism . . . ". Fucked in the head? No, not at all. Or rather, not more than the standard issue solipsism makes women. Of course it's "her" feminism, because it's really "me-ism", and whether they ascribe to feminism or not, they most definitely do to "me-ism".
/r/TheRedPill21/06/15 03:57 PM
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See, I handle this as a hybrid of what you did. First off, I hide nothing. Anybody I date/plate knows I actively date and fuck other people, and that will not change, regardless of whether we become close or not. I am ethically non-monogamous, non-exclusive, and won't live with anybody. It is not uncommon for one relationship to stand out or be the most compatible, at any given time, but I even eschew the notion of a primary partner, preferring all relationships to seek their own level without o…
/r/TheRedPill19/06/15 04:08 PM
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Honestly, once things heat up, thereafter I just almost never hear it from them. But hilariously, I've handled it in the past, more than once, with some variation of getting their attention, moving in close, whispering "shut up", and kissing them. Smiles and sex ensue.
/r/TheRedPill18/06/15 07:49 PM
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The problem with this is an apparent lack of abundance mentality, resulting in "oneitis". If SHE has to be "The One", then you have to worry about longevity. NEVER go into a relationship seeking LTR. LTRs are a huge gift YOU give to a woman. Be outcome-independent, and let her earn that. Be willing to walk, and I do mean walk HARD, at any time. If you can't adopt that frame of mind, you aren't ready for this.
/r/TheRedPill18/06/15 06:44 PM
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No, I haven't read that. But it's a pretty well-known phenomenon, frequently brought up in this sub, how feminists are more and more bemoaning how there are no "good" men, how much they despise (romantically) the beta traits they demand and the men who act that way. But I take heart in that most "feminists" are just echoing stuff they don't really understand and haven't internalized. It's peer pressure, and they are herded like sheep into compliance. A dominating male presence is absolutely irre…
/r/TheRedPill18/06/15 06:30 PM
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Men are more and more deciding not to play the game anymore. Not "men", generally, but the men they actually want, in complete contradiction to their rhetoric on what men "should be". The men who know they are the prize have very little to choose from if they want anything like a valuable partner. Thus, "where are all the good men?" Answer: watching this train wreck from the sidelines.
/r/TheRedPill18/06/15 05:41 PM
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Sounds like a current plate. Feminist/SJW rhetoric for days. Her words, at various times? "Don't tell my friends I call you Daddy." Rope play? "Yes, please" Floggers? "YES PLEASE!" Restraints of various kinds? drools and can no longer speak to say "YES! PLEASE!", possibly due to the gag in her mouth.
/r/TheRedPill18/06/15 05:37 PM
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This is about the most common, predictable thing there is. Feminist/liberal correlates in many experiences of mine, to kink. The more of one, the more of the other.
/r/TheRedPill18/06/15 05:32 PM
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Oh, definitely. The MOST militant feminist I dated had a PhD in a scientific field in which she taught at university level, and of course had her own research. She was the classic recently divorced, two kids, totally cowed ex "co-parenting" her incredibly bratty teenagers, the ex being a top-notch provider, a highly placed exec in the entertainment industry. I met him a number of times, and from what I can tell, he was possibly a bit more alpha before, but she'd shit-tested him into oblivion lon…
/r/TheRedPill18/06/15 05:31 PM
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These days, they are prescribed for anything from a broken nail to ... well, just anything a human might do. I've gotten used to plates being on these. I've gotten some to switch medications (of course with their doctor's approval), and there are some that are prescribed when low libido is the effect of SSRIs. One plate is on all that, and before she got on the alternate meds, was about as pissed off as anybody can be about her sex drive being killed. After the meds change, things definitely pic…
/r/TheRedPill18/06/15 05:18 PM
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I'd say that is the strategy of all orbiters. Just looking for that glimpse of an opportunity to "sell their souls".
/r/TheRedPill18/06/15 05:15 PM
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It's excellent operant conditioning. Take men at one of their highest points of sexual potential, and make them sit up, beg, and whine for it. Idiot feminists somehow think it's what they want, until they get it.
/r/TheRedPill18/06/15 05:14 PM
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And that is the big lie of the whole feminist-positive message. In the effort to build up their well-deserved tarnished image, they tore down men. You know, the people whom all this was supposed to impress, so those men would want relationships with them. And the result: more men in TRP, more men swearing off relationships and certainly marriage, and a general "lack of good men." Fools who still don't see they've eaten all the corn, and Winter Is Coming.
/r/TheRedPill18/06/15 03:32 PM
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This is exactly right, and until you actually do become one, and not just delusionaly think so, the real rewards of RP aren't going to come to you. I think it's Partrice (Black Phillip Show) who made the point many times that you (the man) are the prize. They want to win a relationship from us, and the only thing they have to trade for all that a man offers, is sex. And when you are the prize, THAT isn't difficult to acquire.
/r/TheRedPill18/06/15 03:29 PM
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If so, then it's because you finally agreed with my statement. But then again, this shows the lack of contact with reality of your previous messages. Now that I know I'm talking with a deluded person, I can just let this be the last message I'm contributing. I will not be reading your responses, as there's enough fantasy in the world. Enjoy being whatever it is you think you are.
/r/TheRedPill17/06/15 08:39 PM
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Doesn't matter one bit that you don't believe it. But it's a female trait (solipsism) to think YOUR experience defines everybody else's. You have no idea, and that sorta makes me happy.
/r/TheRedPill17/06/15 03:42 PM
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Drunk driving includes proof at the scene of the crime - a breath test, or alternately, the refusal to take one - both will result in being taken off to jail. Drug possession - again, proof at the scene of the crime (barring it being planted, etc.) Rape: No proof possible at the scene of the crime, unless they are caught in the act. No amount of dishabille, bodily fluids, etc., are proof (of course they can be evidence). And yes, all the above "proofs" are evidence, but evidence isn't necessaril…
/r/TheRedPill16/06/15 07:53 PM
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That 99% thing - please show me where this was properly studied and reported, because it sounds like absolute bullshit. If what you're saying is true, then you're saying that all "innocent" verdicts, with the exception of a tiny percent, are incorrect. Again, calling bullshit. I didn't bother reading past the ridiculous statement.
/r/TheRedPill16/06/15 07:35 PM
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Well... thinking it is a "lie detector" definitely is. It does factually measure things like skin galvanization, rate of respiration, heart rate, and I think several other things. And those readings are reasonable. They are then related, in time, to the things asked and answered. I think it is the interpretation alone that is not acceptable, as the readings are just what they are.
/r/TheRedPill16/06/15 07:33 PM
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She'd lost the weight around the time she was 26, and she did not have stretch marks or anything like loose skin. But she wasn't morbidly obese, just maybe 50% overweight.
/r/TheRedPill16/06/15 07:29 PM
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Thus the "until proven guilty", "speedy trial" and so forth. The assumption however is that it did, and one is jailed and THEN has to prove innocence. At least that's the typical scenario. It's an obvious perversion of the Constitution, but it's also easy to see why they do it - because of the flight risk. But with other crimes, there is usually actual evidence. With fake rape accusation, it is strictly taken as true because somebody said it - a standard that would never work for anything else.
/r/TheRedPill16/06/15 05:32 PM
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I'm just the messenger - as I said, it is often recommended. I think when you are starting out and you don't even know this works, you have to have a target that won't destroy your fragile self-esteem if she rejects you. If you "win", you don't have to follow through - just watch how using RP principles works, and tally it up mentally. I think it's valid, but I didn't need to do it - was pulling attractive girls as a beta, just having shit relationships with them.
/r/TheRedPill16/06/15 05:14 PM
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Low and behold she cheated on him after several years of dating. Go figure. Ah, figuring that one is easy. Open hypergamy. Rollo's been writing a lot about the fact that hypergamy is now more and more, totally out in the open, acknowledged, and everybody is cool with it. Feminists, and those banking on feminism, are the most likely to practice open hypergamy. The social structures to prevent slut shaming and support their efforts to "improve their lives" are very much in place, and as they disco…
/r/TheRedPill16/06/15 04:20 PM
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Get with it, man. This is an extremely common occurrence, but it doesn't require conviction. In many places, the mere accusation subverts the entire legal process. It becomes "guilty, even if proven innocent", or very nearly so. One WILL be thrown in jail. One often is denied bail, or given an extremely high bail. The rules of evidence seem to devolve into being looser than for civil cases, despite this being a serious criminal case. And none of that is legal in any constitutional sense (U.S.), …
/r/TheRedPill16/06/15 04:15 PM
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I honestly believe that there should be a legal theory allowing her to stand for the consequences of the crime she made up. I.e., proving that she knowingly fabricated would mean guilt, and the sentence would be identical to the crime she made up.
/r/TheRedPill16/06/15 04:11 PM
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Which is why such tests are not allowed in criminal proceedings.
/r/TheRedPill16/06/15 04:07 PM
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The rational? Female solipsism and hypergamy fueling actions that traditionally have had no serious downside for them. Lately, a few women who've knowingly falsely accused a man have actually been sentenced to jail time, but it remains exceedingly rare. It's also rare for a man to sue in civil court, although obviously they could, but after years of this kind of attention, a man rarely wants more. It needs to be viewed as a crime in same sense that knowingly accusing a person falsely of any seri…
/r/TheRedPill16/06/15 04:07 PM
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The absolutely hottest woman I've fucked - a serious 9+, and easily so, was 49. Her body was fabulous, and I'd dated a 23 year old not that long before, and regularly date in the late 20's/early 30's (I'm much older than that). Her body blew away every other I'd seen. It was porn-goddess quality, but entirely natural. Almost nobody would believe it, but an 18 year old would be very pleased with this body. Perfectly smooth skin, etc. Yeah, a total anomaly, but women have a lot of options for fitn…
/r/TheRedPill16/06/15 03:29 PM
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There's a reason they're often more interesting people. They didn't have men laughing at every un-funny utterance, gazing at them with fascination as they utter complete banalities, etc. In other words, they had to develop a personality because their looks alone didn't cut it. I dated a gorgeous redhead who used to be one of those fatties. Now, she was absolutely svelte, a gym rat and looked it. She has smart, hilarious, liked a lot of "guy" things, and was very appreciative, despite her current…
/r/TheRedPill16/06/15 03:25 PM
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It's often a strategy recommended for practicing game - start out with an advantage by selecting a target a couple points below one's own league.
/r/TheRedPill16/06/15 03:23 PM
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I tried to find the corollary - change in height of women, and finding that stat seems very difficult. Weight stats are easy, but weight should be correlated against height. Are there credible stats anybody knows of that shows average height of adult women in the US, over time?
/r/TheRedPill16/06/15 03:22 PM
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I understand. You have to eventually realize that your relationship with a woman will never be, consistently, the type that returns and recognizes your sacrifices and love. Women are raised to accept these sacrifices as a given. There is no score keeping. If, as a man, you want the association of a woman, a family, etc., then you have to, for the sanity of yourself and the relationship, know how to maintain frame in a sort of "ongoing", "non-game" sort of way. Another way to put it, perhaps too …
/r/TheRedPill16/06/15 03:02 PM
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No. There is no exception to the principles. Which, I hope, is what you mean by "rules", since I've yet to encounter a "rule" in TRP. Not to say somebody hasn't claimed "rules", but there factually are none. There are principles that form the basis of behavior, and AWALT applies absolutely. So, if there IS a rule, it's that the exact degree of behavior that follows the principles of hypergamy, and all that follows it, varies depending on internal and external factors. But the drive is there.
/r/TheRedPill16/06/15 02:53 PM
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Your grasp of TRP is rather like Ted Cruz's grasp of climate science. Which means your self-professed expertise is a joke that you don't get. :D
/r/TheRedPill16/06/15 02:50 PM
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These women are like bad drivers who cause accidents but aren't in them. They just blithely go on, wondering about that train wreck behind them. This is because society has built all kinds of support mechanisms for the feminine imperative. the TwoXChromosomes subreddit is a classic example - a woman doing what she did to OP would be applauded, lauded, and praised. She did the "smart" thing, the "right" thing, put "logic" ahead of "feels" (lol), "he" was obviously not worth her, etc. We are subje…
/r/TheRedPill16/06/15 02:37 PM
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After a while, it's more like, "yeah, yeah, AWALT, I know". It ceases to cause anger or anything, because you know it viscerally. Unplugging isn't comfortable, that's for sure.
/r/TheRedPill16/06/15 02:25 PM
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Hate to say it, but this is also pretty much the quintessential teen/parent experience. I too knew everything and my parents were the most "wrong" people I knew, at that point. This may involve a bit of a different dynamic than RP.
/r/TheRedPill16/06/15 12:36 AM
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No, I understood that. My point was that logic has nothing to do with why it should or should not be respected. And it does have logic. If you don't like the logic, it still has logic. That was more my point. And I never said it made women happy. There's a lot of ancillary stuff here you bring in that really isn't on point.
/r/TheRedPill16/06/15 12:30 AM
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All of which is to say: know your frame, maintain your frame.
/r/TheRedPill16/06/15 12:19 AM
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I see your point, but honestly, I think very, very few people are here with the larger perspective. Most are just happy to have an FR that isn't a disaster. I personally believe that exploration is a fundamental part of the male psyche in particular. That wanderlust "gene" is responsible in part for man's continued survival during the Ice Age. We are currently, and I think since at least the early 20th century have been in a sort of "consolidation" phase. There isn't much real exploring to be do…
/r/TheRedPill16/06/15 12:17 AM
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Man has to build and grow. This current era of consolidation, with very little actual expansion, is wreaking havoc on humanity across the globe. I often still think space exploration is our way back to that kind of balance. Look at the response to the proposed (most likely 1-way) colonization trip to Mars, which went around last year as a serious proposal? The response, with volunteers, was pretty staggering. People know they need metaphorical elbow room - as a society and as a culture.
/r/TheRedPill16/06/15 12:03 AM
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Then you don't understand that they are trying to optimize the requirements of both. If you want, read The Rational Male, as this is explained from many angles, as well as its consequences. Why do you think they shit-test? They want to find out if you ARE alpha, and if not, just where the line is. They already know they aren't going to truly snag a straight-up alpha for provisioning (the ones that thought they'd gotten one are later referred to as alpha widows). If they see enough alpha traits, …
/r/TheRedPill15/06/15 09:55 PM
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The simple answer: projection. If you believe in "The One™", then you have a preconceived idea of what that person is like. They have traits that will make them the one. If you believe your goal is to find and have an escalating relationship (monogamy, living together, marriage, children, leftovers...) then everybody you date has to be, potentially, the one. The One™ has a bunch of characteristics. She loves you; she wants to have lots of great sex with only you; she has no interest in other rom…
/r/TheRedPill15/06/15 09:30 PM
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You have a very poor understanding of this. RP would do NOTHING with that girl. She'd be gone, nexted, and you don't even think about her. Men don't do what this person did. Little boys do.
/r/TheRedPill15/06/15 09:21 PM
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That was already my understanding - if you read what I wrote with that in mind, then the irrelevance of that respect makes perfect sense. It isn't less "respectful" in this sense, just because OP sees it as "ineffective". I just think that as a behavior, it matters not at all what one thinks of it. In fact, BPers think none of RP "is effective". Does that lack of respect affect what it is at all? No.
/r/TheRedPill15/06/15 09:19 PM
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I agree with many points in this, but toward the end, I have to wonder: just WHERE did OP ever hear that RP had any pretense of "saving society"? RP has never been other than a disclosing of "this is how the game is now being played - these are the REAL rules." Nobody pretends it is a "solution" to mankind's ills, but it may well relieve many individual men of some of those ills.
/r/TheRedPill15/06/15 09:15 PM
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Or, for the alternative, read Rollo's blog. I don't think many men, even here, bother to understand RP deeply enough to know how to manage a LTR, and one of the most typical posts I think I see here is the "I thought I'd made it, but then got oneitis, started an LTR and... well... AWALT". Because they dropped all their RP stuff. Rollo will tell you how to use even abundance mentality and dread game in an LTR. And as Patrice said, "always be willing to take the L" (loss - i.e. walk away). This ha…
/r/TheRedPill15/06/15 08:44 PM
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Read Rollo's blog, The Rational Male. He has been married for quite some time, and is a major writer in the manosphere. He writes regularly about the LTR aspects of RP. The simple answer is YES, you can.
/r/TheRedPill15/06/15 08:41 PM
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Lol, no, they are not "more feminine". Perhaps they pretend it, but they are not. Source: A friend went through no less than two "Russian brides". Setting aside for a moment his idiocy, I met them both, and had opportunities to hang with them. Both were drunken, slovenly, disinterested in anything going on in the world, and basically just wanted to drink and hang out with their other Russian (or whatever) friends (in the US). One straight-up refused to ever learn English. At home, she'd sit in a…
/r/TheRedPill15/06/15 08:39 PM
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"Almost a virgin"? Okay, that's just crazy talk. 2 or 3 LTRs mean (hopefully) hundreds if not thousands of fucks. You mean her count, as she was unlikely "almost a virgin".
/r/TheRedPill15/06/15 08:32 PM
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Yeah, but they can't count on that after about 23 years old, as they are then on the decline in terms of desirability by men. Ages 20-23 are the most desired by men of ALL ages. This is why they seem to go a bit crazy around the time they realize they just can't pull the same quality of men they once could. If they haven't locked down their provisioning with the most alpha male they can, they can get a little desparate. Rollo calls this the epiphany phase. Those richer men now have a clear SMV a…
/r/TheRedPill15/06/15 08:31 PM
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It's not even slightly baffling. She found a guy with higher SMV than your friend, and managed to convince him to take her. Sounds like he really was higher SMV, too, since he dumped her.
/r/TheRedPill15/06/15 08:25 PM
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I'm not sure what it would mean to "respect" hypergamy. And it absolutely does make sense. At risk of repeating what MANY manosphere writers have tried to make clear, hypergamy is an attempt to optimize the survival-positive genes of the alpha, with the provisioning and family-raising of the beta. That's all. So, what they want is an alpha who will also provide. Hypergamy is much more out in the open these days, as Rollo often points out ("open hypergamy"). If you're a beta man attached to such …
/r/TheRedPill15/06/15 08:22 PM
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It's said so many times, but bears repeating: Women do not fall in love with YOU. They love whatever their idea of you is. Their projections and solipsism mean that their "love" for you is not greater than the feels and tingles you give them now. I know - it sounds awful, and the truth is indeed awful, if you maintain BP beliefs about romance, love, and women. Men often love altruistically, and we've been "trained" in a BP society to do so. Women love opportunistically. (These generalizations va…
/r/TheRedPill15/06/15 08:14 PM
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First off, a healthy contingency here (perhaps a majority, I don't know) are not interested in marriage, or having children, and won't. So the entire assumption is based first on that one will have grandchildren. This is a perfectly solid, red-pill choice. There are many types of legacies one can have. As OP pointed out, progeny is one. But really, I think the better question than "what will you tell your grandchildren" is this: What reason will people have to talk about you when you are gone? T…
/r/TheRedPill15/06/15 07:11 PM
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Honestly: who cares? It affects and changes nothing. The warning at the end is ridiculous. "Don't be TOO male, or people will think you have a developmental problem." Seriously - this may not be a straight troll, but it may as well be.
/r/TheRedPill13/06/15 11:03 PM
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And there was a new crop later, like McQueen, Mitchum, Bogart - men who lived fast and hard in many aspects of their lives.
/r/TheRedPill13/06/15 04:54 PM
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The more you find out about Lee, the more impressed you'll be. There were quite a few Renaissance-type RP men in the industry from the 40's to maybe the mid-50's.
/r/TheRedPill13/06/15 12:42 AM
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I believe depression is an incompatible condition with getting through the necessary steps of RP. If you are actually depressed, you should make THAT part of the work you do on yourself, and frankly, you should not take that into the dating pool. It will play sometimes, but the failures will probably be a lot more sticky if one is depressed. Also, come on: holding frame, amused mastery - these don't work for depressed people. Some people are raised without such support, and don't know how to acq…
/r/TheRedPill13/06/15 12:40 AM
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Breaking frame in front a plate (or GF) is always a loss of "points". And it can permanently change how she views you. Are you maintaining any kind of abundance mentality? Dread Game? You went exclusive, so hopefully you are reading up on The Rational Male (Rollo's stuff), as he writes quite a lot about keeping your frame and other things, in a LTR.
/r/TheRedPill13/06/15 12:36 AM
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On LTPs (long term plates), showing any weakness has always reduced our connection. Especially any illness, even light ones. Excuse yourself and stay stoic and mostly uncommunicative. Do not let them "take care of you", as they may do so, but your SMV will plummet with them.
/r/TheRedPill12/06/15 11:06 PM
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I do hope that he wasn't saying that one's plates (or other partners) were that support system. Definitely: that is not the place.
/r/TheRedPill12/06/15 11:04 PM
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I think this is one of the most spot on posts in a while, but I would say that the "needs support system" is sold perhaps too hard for some, too little for others. I made my transition - by which I mean, I went from a very "trained" feminist beta (who still knew some of these RP facts), to a person who has internalized many RP lessons, and has actually become different. For some time now, I've heard "dominant" used to describe me, by several people. This isn't a success story write-up, and I wil…
/r/TheRedPill12/06/15 11:04 PM
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Not just a pissing contest, but you also don't say you verified either claim with management. You should know. Possible other ways to handle it - on the first confrontation: "Thanks for the info, I'll check with management and act accordingly." Nothing beta about that - you both recognize management as the determining agency.
/r/TheRedPill12/06/15 09:13 PM
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I disagree, but perhaps with a clarification. It would better be read as" "proving you will commit as part of failing a shit test is unattractive" Of course, they want to get commitment from a guy 1-2 SMV points above them, but you will lose attraction to those not yet in the "looking for BB" stage if you so. It just isn't "bad boy" enough for them. And yeah, obviously a guy like that isn't really all that alpha, even if he seems so, so an actual alpha would be a unicorn, in this case.
/r/TheRedPill12/06/15 08:25 PM
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I don't think those manginas are doing us any disservice. Women are only attracted to "commitment" when they reach that phase where they realize they are no longer getting the pussy pass they did when they were younger. It's the old AF/BB, CC, thing. Of course, they'll try to shit-test you to find out if you are really alpha, or just somebody who can be molded (beta, no frame, etc.), but if they are still in the full on CC phase, proving you will commit is unattractive. Later, when that is what …
/r/TheRedPill12/06/15 05:35 PM
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I believe this is the exactly correct attitude. Love is something a man recognizes in himself, nods once about, maybe with a quiet grunt, and then goes on with what he was doing. Showing affectionage love too routinely ends her tingles. There is never an exception to this rule, in a romantic relationship. But the effect of losing those tingles does vary, woman to woman, depending on her own relationship style and other attachment factors.
/r/TheRedPill12/06/15 04:59 PM
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Leaving them "better" is only possible when they can accept self-improvement. Many are so stuck in their "empowered" roles, and so living in the echo chamber about that, that at best, you are going to shake their certainty. And that is improvement, even if it is only realized down the line (if at all).
/r/TheRedPill12/06/15 04:57 PM
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In my LTPs (Long Term Plates), I tend to break up patterns of entitlement they may form because I've been nice. If I notice anything but pure appreciation for those things, I immediately throttle it back hard. I enjoy cooking, so I may make dinner a few times. Woe befalls she who asks "what's for dinner", because it has and will be met with, "whatever you're making". And this works, but you have to be sensitive to whether they are thankful or starting to feel a routine. Bottom line is this: don'…
/r/TheRedPill12/06/15 04:55 PM
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Pasta. Check. Pizza. Check. Puss... oh, you forgot one.
/r/TheRedPill12/06/15 04:23 PM
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Feminists really don't seriously think we will swallow any of it and hate the foolish Beta who actually does swallow it. The truth of this shows up in some postings of the last week or two, in which other subs basically had women utterly bashing the "nice guy" beta. Thing is, usually they know that the beta strategy is to just circle and wait for a (rare to never) opportunity to escalate. They understand the creepiness of this.
/r/TheRedPill11/06/15 06:57 PM
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I'm always amazed about how groups that complain of racism, sexism, or any other discrimination label, are full of members who miss no opportunity to show how such discrimination makes them "better" than others. I once dated a girl who, for seven years, lived as a lesbian, and believed she was. She eventually got attracted to a man, had sex and liked it, and told her friends she was apparently bi-sexual. They utterly ostracized her, to the point she had to move from that city. I've tried explain…
/r/TheRedPill11/06/15 06:55 PM
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With this exception: you should ALWAYS be skeptical of your own system of beliefs. By skeptical, I mean "have the willingness to allow improvement and change to happen." There is no glory in being the stoic guy who also can't relate to anything from the last 30 years, because you "made your mind up" back then. When it comes to oneself, only the attitude that literally everything about you could be better, and the mindset to seek such improvements, is about the only belief that should stand every…
/r/TheRedPill11/06/15 04:24 PM
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Going off on a rampage because of a post, is about the most female/beta behavior there is. Irrationality and poor grammar ensue. Be stoic. If somebody is trolling here, before you go rage-brigading, sit back and gather yourself, because you just lost frame. These attacks are shit tests, plain and simple. We will lose this only if we don't take our own advice, and use what we know, not only in the SMP, but as men, in life.
/r/TheRedPill11/06/15 04:03 PM
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I've walked away at these early stages (see my other post here) a number of times, and in a few, they just about go crazy, when I simply don't respond to their irresistible charms, deny my frame, and do the panting-beta dance. I've had them insist on "giving them another chance". Actual text response to that: "It was a date. Get over it." That typically ends the discussion.
/r/TheRedPill11/06/15 03:56 PM
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I agree with those "Rules of two" as to the principle, but I generally don't repeat those errors. There are times when a "rule of one" is appropriate. For example, say you've set up an online date. You arrive on time. Date arrives a half hour late (presuming you wait this long - I give it 20 minutes). Girl obviously knew when she left, or when she got delayed, she would be late, but gave you no clue. Entitlement to and disrespect of your time. First off: I won't text and ask where she is. At all…
/r/TheRedPill11/06/15 03:54 PM
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When you self-define "sexually assaulted" to include many now politically "correct" (on campus) "assault" types, and then tune a program to that, it's almost a certainty they could report "reduced risk". Just define risk as whatever they are doing now.
/r/TheRedPill11/06/15 03:16 PM
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I think you absolutely should put that in your online profiles. It's hilarious, and the women who respond will be a whole lot closer to a close.
/r/TheRedPill09/06/15 12:06 AM
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But don't rule out the socially-correct "feminist". These types really want an RP man, but their lip-service is entirely the feminist doctrine. A plate of mine right now thinks of herself as a serious feminist. Last night, she called me "daddy", and wore some very non-feminist porn-sexy panties. But she still has the rhetoric. And she's not the first "serious" feminist I've dated who clearly wanted Chad Thundercock. I basically ignore feminism if I'm interested in a potential plate.
/r/TheRedPill09/06/15 12:03 AM
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OTOH, and especially in the beach communities, they are often divorced and with kids. Can be good material for a plate, but not for anything serious. You would not BELIEVE the 49 year old I dated. I swear she was a 9/10 at least. A perfect runner's body that an 18 year old would be jealous of. That first time her dress literally slipped to the ground, and she had nothing on underneath...
/r/TheRedPill08/06/15 11:55 PM
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I date in that same pool, and indeed, there are incredibly hot women even in their advanced 40s. I doubt many people from other areas will believe this, which is actually just fine.
/r/TheRedPill08/06/15 08:52 PM
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Ha! Obviously none of those customers were cats.
/r/TheRedPill08/06/15 07:07 PM
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They really can't face how their SMV declines. Ever read dating profiles of women in their 40s, who've long since hit the wall? They believe they deserve the most handsome, wealthy, loving, honest, generous, and supportive man in existence. It's absolutely laughable what they expect.
/r/TheRedPill08/06/15 07:05 PM
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How about starting a thread for that? Your reply has literally nothing to do with my comment, other than spotting ONE word in it, which I said it is NOT about. People are downvoting you because: You are not saying anything relevant to the conversation. Your comments, while true for you, are both poorly stated, and your "rationale" for marriage has literally nothing to do with marriage. In short: get a clue.
/r/TheRedPill06/06/15 12:45 AM
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I've never had one actually blow up, but there are some who are that occasional. I am totally up-front about being non-monogamous/non-exclusive. Online, I'm on several sites, and all my profiles state very close to the top, and usually one other place, that I am non-monogamous, non-exclusive, open, poly, etc. Surprisingly, I've had a lot of women whose profile states they want LTRs, monogamy, marriage, etc., contact me. I always ask if they noticed my non-monogamy, and the answer is uniformly th…
/r/TheRedPill05/06/15 09:08 PM
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You are so overthinking this. You will naturally prioritize, based on how much you like them and are attracted to each other, how often you can see each other, and the natural changes in your relationships with them. By all means, devise a system that works for you, but in the end, opportunity and compatibility win.
/r/TheRedPill05/06/15 08:41 PM
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Polygamy is about marriage. What OP is talking about is a form of polyamory. And I agree - my fave at any time is the one who is most available (assuming other factors like sex and having fun together are all lined up).
/r/TheRedPill05/06/15 08:40 PM
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I think you're doing it right. I have taken flak here in TRP when I've said I ensure my plates all know I see others, and usually they know whom, because I tell them about my others. A lot of guys feel "they will NEVER go for that". Let me amend that: A lot of guys who've never been bold enough to try it feel "they will never go for that." A lot of PUA game involves lies. Unless all you care about is that ONS (and if you do, go for it), then there's no reason to be untruthful about your relation…
/r/TheRedPill05/06/15 08:38 PM
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I was deeply embedded in my profession, which I still love, at a young age. It was the primary focus of much of my life, so in effect, things revolved around it, rather than around "me", as such. I don't think many other people really have that, so I suppose it makes sense that others would work on themselves primarily, and then extend that to wider and wider circles.
/r/TheRedPill04/06/15 05:11 PM
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In my case, it progressed from professional to personal agency. Or, let's say my personal agency was just fine, but I was using it (very successfully) to buy into the feminine-primary social structures I was in. RP helped me to redirect it in a much more positive and fulfilling way. I totally agree about success = freedom.
/r/TheRedPill03/06/15 05:45 PM
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Fantastic, and really the core advice of RP, I think. Stop being a victim. Stop being victimized by the Feminine Imperative and the social conventions built up around it. Right now there's another post on TRP, in which OP whines about how there's only 5 "hot women" wherever he lives, and thus it is impossible not to have oneitis. He's so sure he's right, he states that even a real alpha will get oneitis for the "most beautiful" woman. In other words, this guy believes there is no way to NOT be a…
/r/TheRedPill03/06/15 03:51 PM
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This guy consistently latches on the LEAST important details, blows them up into "that's the way it is and nobody can change it so you're all wrong". He may not know it, but he's trolling. He's got it all wrong, and refuses to hear anything that contradicts his conclusions. Frankly, he's not ready for RP. He's a dedicated beta looking for excuses to remain so. Period. OP - seriously - your responses here are just doubling down on what's WRONG with you. We all see it. Think a bit more before resp…
/r/TheRedPill03/06/15 03:37 PM
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Okay, so I read this whole post as whining, as follows: "WAH! There are only 5 eligible plates in my town, so I can't have abundance mentality. You're all wrong and I'm RIGHT!!!" No, you're still doing it wrong. A woman bitches about the limited, lousy options she has. A man does something about it, and creates more options. And there are a jillion examples in history to show that creativity and the ability to carry through changes EVERYTHING in whatever game you're playing. Your final comment a…
/r/TheRedPill03/06/15 03:35 PM
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No, it wouldn't. It's a fantasy to think you can explain ANY RP principles to women. Even RP women (women who appear to "agree with" RP and want to be more what an RP man really wants) will give this lip service up to and until that RP alpha guy nexts them hard. I've been exactly there, and can tell you, their "acceptance and understanding" of RP, which was an act, evaporates instantly. Believing otherwise is equivalent to believing NAWALT. The percentage of "postive results" would be close to z…
/r/TheRedPill03/06/15 03:22 PM
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I wrote in a comment yesterday about this cognitive dissonance. I believe the acceptance of cognitive dissonance (which less scientifically can be considered "hypocrisy") is wired into women, not only from social convention, but from evolutionary biology. Take the whole dualistic sexual strategy. Women have their social belief systems (however poorly examined by themselves) which expect a certain behavior from them (i.e. some degree of virtuousness, non-sluttiness, etc.), but they find themselve…
/r/TheRedPill03/06/15 03:17 PM
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Because AWALT. Yes, even mom.
/r/TheRedPill03/06/15 03:10 PM
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And the strategy for gender equality is to get men to act like women. The "equality" they want would require that you respond like they do. They want leadership to be that mealy, watered-down form of socializing they have with one another, thinly veiled as really they are ruthless competitors in the SMP.
/r/TheRedPill03/06/15 03:01 PM
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This is the kind of thing you never answer. In fact, you actively don't answer, using amused mastery, agree and amplify.
/r/TheRedPill03/06/15 02:36 PM
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Well, it was only the technical part I was commenting on. I've no comment at all on the virgin thing, as it's not on my radar, and since I'm non-monogamous and not looking for a live-in LTR, virgins have no relevance to my dating pool. I may, however, steal "Schoedinger's virginity", thank you.
/r/TheRedPill03/06/15 02:30 PM
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Actually, you've made the same error OP did, albeit to a smaller extent. It isn't "women you meet", it's "for any 18 year old woman." You have to remove the "meet" part because... well, that meeting process may include screening of some kind, eh? Let's say "if you meet a woman at a virgin's pep rally..." - you see? The conditions under which meeting occurs could affect the probability. So it's just, "if there's an 18 year old woman, there's a 70% chance she's not a virgin." And I'm sure that sta…
/r/TheRedPill03/06/15 02:05 PM
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Glad to hear you're exiting or have exited the anger phase. It really does just get more and more positive after that.
/r/TheRedPill03/06/15 01:58 PM
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Keep on with RP. If your worldview doesn't shatter, you were already alpha, or you have more road to travel.
/r/TheRedPill02/06/15 10:12 PM
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The first time one of these women laid it all out for me, I was already TRP-aware, and I was utterly speechless. To hear it just spewed like "yeah, of course", is absolutely shocking. Yet, don't EVER mention hypergamy or dualistic sexual strategy to a woman, even one who has literally told you she does that (as these two had). You'll get the full feminist treatment if YOU (a heterosexual male) say it. As for implications for your worldview, that kind of adjustment is exactly what RP should do.
/r/TheRedPill02/06/15 10:10 PM
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Yeah, it's one of the other stunning hypocrisies of modern feminism - that they want to be "empowered", but without the responsibility. They want their own agency recognized only when it is 100% beneficial to them, but they immediately assign that agency to men whenever owning their own agency would shame them, shine a light on their actual motives and activities, or cause any sort of loss of reputation, or result in anything they just don't like. It's as trivial a thing as the old story about t…
/r/TheRedPill02/06/15 05:09 PM
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Also, tourists often take liberties abroad that they never would at home.
/r/TheRedPill02/06/15 03:39 PM
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I disagree. They are totally aware of it. If they weren't at all aware, and just acted as automatons, they'd never need their hamster. The hamster is how they reconcile what they find themselves doing, with what they want to believe (about self and others). They experience cognitive dissonance about the dualistic sexual strategy, but hamstering gives them a mental trick for accepting it. I've had more than one plate literally flat out express to me, in very clear words, that they have the classi…
/r/TheRedPill02/06/15 03:38 PM
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They absolutely know the hypocrisy. Look, their actions are entirely centered around the feminine dualistic sexual strategy - perhaps the most hypocritical but common activity of human kind. Much evolutionary biology theory states that women are wired for this strategy. And thus, even the most rational and self-aware of them, find themselves doing things that their "rational self" would never do. And thus the hamster, which has the purpose of justifying to the woman, her own actions that are at …
/r/TheRedPill02/06/15 03:32 PM
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What isn't conjecture, and is the actual point, is that anybody seriously is considering this. There should be a massive ethics pushback, but there isn't. "Safety" isn't even a thing here. It's not the point. Anyway, if you don't get that, that's fine. Carry on.
/r/TheRedPill01/06/15 08:46 PM
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Well, it would never make an alpha more attractive, as it would beta-fy him. Women would lose their attraction. It's all about the feminine imperative, not about babies, alphas, etc. As men get more and more beta, the fewer alphas will have a total field day. I was just recently at a week-long music festival, and observed a lot of the 20-something couples. So many women were dragging around feminized boyz (I just can't call them men) - thin, drooping shoulders, zero muscle mass, mournful looks. …
/r/TheRedPill01/06/15 08:17 PM
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I suspect it would simply require the realignment of the meanings of a few words. Governments do this all the time to justify and "make legal" stuff they want to do that they know isn't really allowed.
/r/TheRedPill01/06/15 08:13 PM
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I'm sure there will never be a socio-political change there. I mean, it's not like there was rampant live-human experimentation and massacre there only 65 years ago... Or how about Bosnia and Herzegovina (both now involved in becoming full EU members, and already involved in a number of EU policy/bureaucracy activities)? Just 20 years ago, they murdered 8000 Bosniaks (and yes, that is the correct name for Bosnian Muslims). It is considered an attempted genocide. But generally, since WWII, such a…
/r/TheRedPill01/06/15 07:38 PM
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Because we know how much women like a womanly man.
/r/TheRedPill01/06/15 07:36 PM
4

Perfect. In a world where more and more, the birth rate of developed countries is plummeting, give us another reason to not have any kids, ever. Seriously, if they just wanted to extinguish mankind, there are quicker ways.
/r/TheRedPill01/06/15 07:31 PM
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Yes, it isn't that first one that drives you here. It's the last one.
/r/TheRedPill01/06/15 03:42 PM
2

Schadenfreude is a bittersweet thing, eh? I think the thing can be summarized into something often echoed in the manosphere: BE THE PRIZE. And that has to be somewhat objective. Just telling oneself one is "the prize", while continuing to eat pizzas in the basement and playing video games with your free time is not going to work, obviously. You did this right. Fully enjoy the success you clearly do appreciate.
/r/TheRedPill01/06/15 03:42 PM
1

And the death rate is less than that for all years for which there are official stats.
/r/TheRedPill01/06/15 02:56 PM
1

How about be a somewhat better student NOW? I gave you stats and sources, and you're "reliable source" is what you remember from some class (unnamed) by an unnamed professor at an unnamed college. These are real stats, my friend. But hey, go on misinforming people. Honestly, I'm done trying to inform somebody who clearly is more about what THEY know, than the actual truth. Join the anti-vaxxers.
/r/TheRedPill01/06/15 02:38 PM
1

No, I'm not. I'm looking at full death and birth rates per annum. These stats are very available, issued, among other things, by the Census Bureau, CDC, etc. Sorry, but we do have more than enough for replacement. Do you have a credible source of data otherwise?
/r/TheRedPill01/06/15 02:16 PM
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Right now, "Islam" is battling mostly itself, which I think proves the original point. So they aren't "gone"? Just about none of those institutions are "gone", they are just reduced to a joke, compared to former power. Your other example, the Catholic Church, is a perfect example of this loss of power, again working against your statements. That doesn't mean your rationale for feminism's failure isn't good. I agree that those factors are very real - marriage or not, married people are having bir…
/r/TheRedPill31/05/15 03:41 PM
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Yeah, in the US, the birthrate was pretty stable until 2009, when it took a small downturn (from 14.18 million to 13.82). It then rose slightly in 2010-2011, and declined slightly in 2012 (the last year of demographic data). Also, data on deathrate shows you are incorrect about replacement level. Death rates 2009-2012 have been just about flat, about 8.38 million/year. As I said above, birthrates are in the high 13s of millions per year.
/r/TheRedPill31/05/15 03:20 PM
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Well... hang on. What about Japan? Not at all a feminist country (the Japanese Businessman is very alive and well), but they're having a staggering reduction in birth rates. I think there are other factors than just feminism involved. You mention the Netherlands - their birth rate has been in a declining trend since at least 2000, but saw a significant up-tick (about 10%) in just 2012 - the last year for which there are demographics. Let's look at the other countries you've named: United Kingdom…
/r/TheRedPill31/05/15 03:17 PM
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I almost always date feminists. Why? Because what they crave is a domineering man. They HATE it when that is said so baldly, but once they've gotten "sexually empowered", they hate the idea of any kind of sexual relationship with the sort of beta men that their feminism demands men be. I can say the most misogynistic things to them, but because of amused mastery, the result is typically an immediate and evident increase in attraction (such as literally jumping me for sex, or simply planting a pr…
/r/TheRedPill31/05/15 03:05 PM
1

Ah, a barter-whore. Got it.
/r/TheRedPill31/05/15 02:41 PM
2

How about not pretending that is your observation, and instead, showing the source which I (and, I'm sure you) know.
/r/AlreadyRed31/05/15 02:36 PM
1

Where do you get the stats to back all this "usually" stuff? I see a few others claiming stats that are not verified. I can't find ANYTHING, for example, on studies that might show who initiates these. In fact, you claim it's usually the man who wants to. Another person posted that it's "70% the woman who wants this". So people have opinions, but are representing them as facts. So... source, please.
/r/TheRedPill29/05/15 04:47 PM
1

And you source that stat from...?
/r/TheRedPill29/05/15 03:39 PM
1

I think that's practically self-evident, as it takes real confidence for a man to open a relationship. Insecurities of that kind are incompatible with open relationships.
/r/TheRedPill29/05/15 03:39 PM
1

Guys, men open relationships too. Actually, very often.
/r/TheRedPill29/05/15 02:03 AM
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Yeah, you did, but that's cool. Not terribly important, tbh.
/r/TheRedPill28/05/15 05:26 PM
1

Women are also shamed for NOT getting married. Their friends get married. Everybody asks when THEY will. It's made to sound like this is something you do, or you are... odd. Japan is especially noted for this.
/r/TheRedPill28/05/15 04:19 PM
2

True, it is a status. Not a higher one than "single", as far as I can tell, just a different one. Perhaps if you in a marriage-centric society, but I see less and less of that.
/r/TheRedPill28/05/15 04:16 PM
1

This is true - also, if you just run and there is a judgement against you, coming back to the US probably means trouble at Customs.
/r/TheRedPill28/05/15 04:13 PM
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That is an exceedingly rare thing, and frankly, I think it's pretty weird, non-RP thinking as well. We aren't here to spend our riches of personal abilities, finance, knowledge and experience, for even a partial lifetime of "making a woman successful". We're here, hopefully at the pinnacle of Maslow's Hierarchy, to self-actualize. Corny as it is, RP is about unplugging from ALL the things that prevent a man from reaching his full potential.
/r/TheRedPill28/05/15 04:11 PM
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That's exactly WHY no-fault was enacted. It was supposed to both be "fairer", and also meant that people's personal dirt didn't really need to be dragged around in court and made public record. For a while, in California, all you needed was to claim "irreconcilable differences", and then it was just a matter of figuring out the division of things (which could be horrible or easy). Now, I believe you need to claim no reason at all, but just begin divorce proceedings.
/r/TheRedPill28/05/15 04:08 PM
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If you think so. I was married for a long time (left it on my own decision). We saved a fucking fortune in taxes for a variety of reasons. We actually saved up a significant amount of hard cash. The benefits are there, but most people aren't aware of them, or care enough, to take advantage. There are also credit benefits (presuming neither party fucks that up). This is not "arguing a point over and over", it is experience - a couple decades of it - vs your opinion.
/r/TheRedPill28/05/15 04:06 PM
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It's more telling about you than RP, or the subject of marriage, that you think one should instantly next because of dad's alcoholism. Your whole premise seems to be predicated on the assumption that we WANT to have kids, and/or get married, and that the process of selecting women to date (or whatever you do with them) is guided by selection of a good wife candidate. Men who don't want to be married can have all the plates of the varying-crazy sort that they want. Some want to avoid crazy. Some …
/r/TheRedPill28/05/15 04:00 PM
1

You left out that she needs to have had a stable, very male, father (not father "figure") growing up.
/r/TheRedPill28/05/15 03:56 PM
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I just never understand why anybody things marriage=sex. It's been a trope for decades, if not longer, that marriage = end of sex. It's joked about incessantly. I suppose it's the lotto principle - despite the fact that it's less likely than being hit by lightning, people think they will be the exception. Was married twice: ended both when sex dried up. Of course, now I understand why (my previous feminine-imperative view of relationships, i.e. BB).
/r/TheRedPill28/05/15 03:55 PM
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So, this would acknowledge that women seek wealth as a sexual strategy. I suggest that padded bras, all forms of cosmetic surgery, all forms of hair augmentation, including coloring, extensions, etc., makeup, telling an age younger than her actual one, any form of "tummy" control, and pretty much anything a woman does that presents herself as better looking than without these accessories, would all be forms of rape.
/r/TheRedPill27/05/15 01:04 PM
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The irony is they are envisioning exactly what they'd HATE in a relationship, but their social programming tells them that THIS is what they want.
/r/TheRedPill27/05/15 12:45 AM
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The feminine-centric western culture attempts to disallow anything which would counter the dualistic feminine sexual strategy - AF/BB. And, of course, it validates every effort any woman makes in expressing that strategy. Riding the CC? How else is she supposed to learn about men? Men fucking lots of chicks? Commitment-phobe. Same exact thing, often by the same people. The interpretation is entirely fem-centric. If you were one of the CC guys, she was "learning", you were "afraid of commitment".
/r/TheRedPill27/05/15 12:41 AM
1

Yeah, the "selectively unaccepted" is where we often go wrong, thinking "NAWALT, this time". Thanks for a wise comment.
/r/TheRedPill19/05/15 06:17 PM
1

Yeah, that's a rough one, I'd think. About the only saving grace would be money, power, and fame.
/r/TheRedPill19/05/15 06:16 PM
1

Sigh. That last paragraph is again, telling me a lot more about you than about polyamory. It actually says nothing that is valid about actual polyamory. You were practicing polyfuckery - something very, very different. But as I say, it doesn't matter. The vast majority are "experts" in the same sense that anti-vaxxers and climate-change deniers are "experts". Zero experience in the sciences of those fields, but absolutely certain their opinion is fact. I accept such things just as any RP guy acc…
/r/TheRedPill19/05/15 04:56 PM
2

That's right. No philosophical system "equals" the result that system predicts. People understand it, apply it, and find out what the result actually is. Or, they just buy it, and become armchair "experts". I think I see what you mean in that last sentence. A guy could understand and agree with RP, but be unable to muster what it takes to actually unplug. I can only imagine how miserable that life would be. And yeah - any alpha has got to be mostly unplugged, and so wouldn't exhibit much beta be…
/r/TheRedPill19/05/15 04:47 PM
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Yeah, we're saying the same thing from different angles. As I said, "once you figure it out... sex is the easiest thing to get." You're right - after that, confidence, discrimination, quality. It's kind of "quantity first, then up the quality".
/r/TheRedPill19/05/15 04:35 PM
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Then your lack of experience shows, as your beliefs, which of course you are welcome to, are incorrect. I rail against willful ignorance. You can interpret that as defensiveness, I honestly don't care.
/r/TheRedPill19/05/15 04:15 PM
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I don't know how to quantify it, but yeah, in principle, it's a sign you don't get how it's about constant personal improvement. But there are signs of success. Hmmm... I feel a post coming on.
/r/TheRedPill19/05/15 03:49 PM
3

Yeah, I suspect r/AlreadyRed is for those who are more accomplished here, but honestly, the best content is still here, despite the increasing noise-to-signal.
/r/TheRedPill19/05/15 03:09 PM
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I've noticed it's somewhat of a beta characteristic to think that a woman is loyal to whomever is sexing her best. I'm openly non-monogamous, and one plate has a main relationship with a guy who absolutely believes this, strives to have 6 hour sex sessions (she's very done after 4 and tolerates it), and is constantly worried she'll dump him if somebody gives her "better orgasms". Seriously, she's told me tons about this. But she "loves" him, and he fulfills a very necessary role in her life (he'…
/r/TheRedPill19/05/15 02:22 PM
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I agree - alpha will mean attraction from women. But the obverse might not be true - desire from women doesn't make one alpha. I know a phenomenally handsome man - has literally every physical attribute of male beauty one could want. He's also very beta in mannerisms. But women definitely desire him - the things a few have told me are pretty explicit. It helps that he's successful in his career, I'm sure. Upshot: Looks matter quite a lot.
/r/TheRedPill19/05/15 01:55 PM
2

Exactly - the amount of oneitis and scarcity mindset that still crops up it surprising. I figure there are a ton of fairly new RPers here, and they are in the early stages. Objectively evaluating oneself is absolutely necessary, and you have to be able to sort of reprogram oneself. For most, RP is a complete reinvention, and its easy to think "mission accomplished" (heh, a little Bush reference). Reality takes a lot longer, and if one is a raised-beta type, I'd expect it to take a couple years o…
/r/TheRedPill19/05/15 01:48 PM
1

Solo poly, or non-hierarchical, as it's called. Basically, all relationships are equally open. Did you not notice I said "openly" non-monogamous? Why are you wagging a virtual finger at me about how poly can be done wrong, when you have zero evidence of anything? And what exactly is your personal experience with polyamory, that you even have an opinion about it? Polyamory is not popular here because it's not popular generally. RP is just another excuse for having a reason to not have experience,…
/r/TheRedPill19/05/15 01:38 PM
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Yup. That's my point. I only can hope they get over themselves, because that dog won't hunt, and they'll be plugged in until they get a better DGAF mindset.
/r/TheRedPill18/05/15 09:10 PM
1

And the ability to ignore it and go another route. Not all resistance should be engaged. In fact, most, probably not.
/r/TheRedPill18/05/15 08:14 PM
2

As an openly non-monogamous guy here, I can affirm that there is a fundamental contingency of armchair RP-ists who actually attempt to slut-shame me. As if that is anything but a 100% "beta" thing to do, yet they couch their statements as if they are a lifetime alpha. It's actually very obvious, and a bit pathetic.
/r/TheRedPill18/05/15 08:13 PM
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Yeah. The sub has exploded in popularity, which means a majority of newcomers. Sounding knowledgeable is an attempt to gain status in this community. Which isn't what RP is about, but hey, everybody has their understandings of things, however not based in reality those understandings may be.
/r/TheRedPill18/05/15 08:11 PM
1

It's amazing how people who are obviously failing will double down on what is making them fail, when a successful person gives them advice (much less criticism). I guess we all think we know how everybody else's life must work, because we imagine we know how our own one does. And that's solipsism, a trait RP associates with AWALT.
/r/TheRedPill18/05/15 08:10 PM
1

The quote I was responding to, and included, was very clear about it being "manospherians". I'd hope we know that implies at least people working to be more alpha.
/r/TheRedPill18/05/15 02:01 PM
1

Well... maybe a con was a bit too guy-centric to really compare, but after all, I did say to "imagine" it, not that that was an example irl. I think being bi would be even better, and I've turned down some pretty interesting offers because I'm not. Actually, the whole misunderstanding of what cuckolding is seems confined to this sub. But I get it all the time, so perhaps having to tell those who are both ignorant and certain that they are not, that there is another actual thing there, gets to be…
/r/TheRedPill17/05/15 12:54 AM
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And that's your opinion about the definition of a plate. Yours and yours alone, which you are welcome to. But how about less whining about "how it isn't the same here as it used to be", and maybe add something constructive, other than trying to play a dominance game of "I am more RP than you". Ugh, the wannabes here...
/r/TheRedPill16/05/15 03:28 PM
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Not the unattractive ones. And they seem to be the main ones to develop a personality, for the same reasons you wrote about. They don't get the "help" and constant support (well, not nearly as much). Men don't laugh at their unfunny jokes, or excuse their mistakes. I've been in software development for a long times a field SJW-types like to point at as obviously sexist. In that time, I think I've met 3 professional, female developers. The reasons for so few females in the field is beyond the sco…
/r/TheRedPill16/05/15 03:26 PM
2

Which is why it doesn't become a prevalent trait. Because the men aren't attracted to THAT.
/r/TheRedPill16/05/15 03:14 PM
2

the one who has been through the ringer, the one who has seen every schizophrenic personality side a woman can offer That would be me. Schizophrenic? I had to take one plate to psych lock-down. Twice. I've had ones I broke up with stalk me, camp on my doorstep, come over and refuse to leave (one I had police remove. Also twice. Different one.) Trust me though, they all had worthy positive qualities, but that didn't stop anybody from also being batshit.
/r/TheRedPill16/05/15 02:49 PM
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Oh, there is definitely a corollary regarding "the idea of knowing that that attractive girl over there is mine" - I just find that I don't need or want to own her life, or make a bunch of rules that get broken. My girls feel very owned. It's why I don't worry about them. I own the relationship, not the person, if that makes any sense. The simplification about ownership in NM is not exactly right, but reasonably close. NM doesn't necessarily mean eschewing ownership, as there are many couples wh…
/r/TheRedPill15/05/15 09:50 PM
1

I honestly don't see the problem. It's up to me to maintain tingles and SMV, and if I don't, that's my error. And there are ALWAYS bigger, badder, handsomer, richer prospects in the world. However, once again, you've made presumptions about "love" and my relationship that are in direct opposition to what I've told you it IS. I don't see the point of continuing if you must be so solipsistic.
/r/TheRedPill14/05/15 11:20 PM
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I do get your point, but I also get OPs. If it was an understood part of your own responsibility within the relationship, and you slacked off, then you put yourself in the awkward position of having damaged your own frame. Simply put, a man must be judicious in the agreements he makes about what he will do, and be scrupulous about doing it. It's hopefully a wake up call when anybody else points out something you already knew you were supposed to deal with. Hardly fatal unless habitual.
/r/TheRedPill14/05/15 11:16 PM
0

I believe that until one really has integrated this into their being, they haven't actually unplugged.
/r/TheRedPill14/05/15 11:14 PM
1

Honestly, the term "sharing" to describe this is not well-accepted in large swathes of the non-monogamy(NM) community, as it implies ownership (and has some other connotations that aren't true for it). But many poly couples do have this perspective, and many of those are really not polyamorists anyway, and don't understand the difference between polyamory as it is practiced mindfully, and the sort of polyfuckery they actually practice. Non-monogamy is a lifestyle, not a dating strategy. I found …
/r/TheRedPill14/05/15 11:12 PM
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About the easiest thing to get a girl to admit is that she expects random men to pay for all her drinking. They brag about it, as it shows all the attention their getting. Even those who seem demure will, if you get them to open up, tell you this. Perhaps those that don't drink at all are the exception.
/r/TheRedPill14/05/15 07:01 PM
1

Willful ignorance is the most egregious behavior there is, and everybody has such blindspots. I've stopped wondering how people can dispute obvious facts.
/r/TheRedPill14/05/15 06:59 PM
3

Very cool. I've found that there MUST be awareness in a partner that I would walk away from the relationship, whenever I see fit. This is both abundance mentality, internalized and expressed naturally through one's actions, and dread game. There's never any point in complaining about the sex one is not getting from a particular plate/partner. I think as RP men, we are responsible for whether they are feeling tingles and want to compete for us, or not. I suspect everyone who feels they've mostly …
/r/TheRedPill14/05/15 06:40 PM
1

Heh, or listen to heartbreak songs written by men. It's all "please come back, I'll do anything you want". What woman even wants that?
/r/TheRedPill14/05/15 05:00 PM
1

Just as people who can't fathom it need to justify how their incorrect take on it should also be yours. Just recognize you don't know, and don't actually understand it, and there can be conversation.
/r/TheRedPill14/05/15 04:59 PM
1

There is a significant difference, but people who've NEVER experienced this presume they are absolutely right about what swinging and compersion is - they think it is cuckolding. They've experienced neither swinging NOR cuckholding, but they just "know" their opinion is fact. But I find you've missed the mark. Compersion is not limited in the way you say, but again, people answer from "this is how I am, and so you should be too", rather than "huh, I didn't actually know that". And your definitio…
/r/TheRedPill14/05/15 04:58 PM
2

So, men present = condoms and jizz left around? Wow, that's... kind of amazingly misandry-ish. I'd be concerned about all those bloody tampons the women leave EVERYWHERE.
/r/TheRedPill14/05/15 04:44 PM
1

Sorry, but there is such a thing as willful ignorance, which is the same as closed-mindedness. If you don't think so... heh, well, thanks for making my point.
/r/TheRedPill14/05/15 12:49 AM
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Another men's rights issue. There is nothing paedo-ish about it, but that's SJWs for you. Try being a single guy, with no kids, and just sit on a bench facing a playground, reading. You will get stinkeye from the moms, and very possibly, a stern request to leave.
/r/TheRedPill14/05/15 12:05 AM
2

Oh wow, had a first date like 2 or so years ago with a gorgeous girl literally less than half my age (but quite legal). We walked around the neighborhood, at night, and into a park's playground. She wanted to fuck, up in one of the climby things. Role playing is fun.
/r/TheRedPill14/05/15 12:04 AM
1

Meh. SJWs have thinking deficiencies that prevent them from understanding even basic human principles. She should live in Japan, to experience how non-white men can be racists.
/r/TheRedPill14/05/15 12:01 AM
2

Cool. Good early progress. I think a good sign is when you can objectively analyze your mistakes, against good RP principles.
/r/TheRedPill13/05/15 11:34 PM
3

the phrase is sexist it sexually objectifies women saying it to a reporter constitutes harassment/is abusive ... and it's also fucking hilarious.
/r/TheRedPill13/05/15 11:33 PM
1

Much insight. "If you cut out a man's tongue you haven't proven him wrong, you've only proven that you fear what he has to say." - Tyrion Lannister, Game of Thrones
/r/TheRedPill13/05/15 11:22 PM
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The beta is so much worse in love songs written by men.
/r/TheRedPill13/05/15 11:14 PM
1

Especially when you understand it as poorly as you do :D
/r/TheRedPill13/05/15 10:50 PM
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I used to have a problem with rants like this, but not anymore. When you've been raised beta, and then find and realize the value of TRP, it's such a mindbending, lifefucking, matrix-glitching deprogramming that it takes real TIME to level back out. It's going to upset the apple cart, and if it doesn't, you didn't get it (or were doing everything right already). The whole dead bedroom thing isn't because one gets "sore" or "tired" from activities that they lustily engaged in before - it's becaus…
/r/TheRedPill13/05/15 10:05 PM
2

I know very well the nerve I hit - it is exactly the same one all my beta friends freak out over. Non-monogamy is seen by insecure monogamists as a direct threat to their lifestyle. This subreddit has a preponderance of a particular moral position, which I just don't share. Considering how marginalized RP is, I'm a bit surprised (but not much) to find closed-minded assholes here. The whole thing about NM is that it isn't for everybody. Neither is ANY form of sexuality. People need to grow up and…
/r/TheRedPill13/05/15 09:51 PM
1

A good place to see that is many of the groups on Fetlife.
/r/TheRedPill13/05/15 09:36 PM
1

Well then, you know the deal ;-)
/r/TheRedPill13/05/15 09:35 PM
0

Well, if you're going to completely alter what I said, literally changing its wording and meaning while "quoting it", and then argue against what YOU wrote, then I think any response other than pointing that out is worthless.
/r/TheRedPill13/05/15 06:22 PM
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And that's a complete logic fallacy. Done here. This is not a conversation.
/r/TheRedPill13/05/15 06:20 PM
1

Well... not really. It really is a choice. Some cucks crave that - they'd rather masturbate, watching a partner get thoroughly used. It's a very particular fetish, and swinging as such is not at all necessarily for the same purpose. I don't particularly crave that, I'm just confident that anybody can fuck my partner, and she's going to come back to me. Also, there is a cool dynamic (master/slave) in which one can lend or "sell" a partner to another man. It's sort of punishment/pleasure that the …
/r/TheRedPill13/05/15 05:47 PM
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Lol, and if you think your understanding of this is correct, you are as closed-minded as those that can't tolerate RP. Also, you apparently have your ideology interpreting my statements, rather than reading them without projecting onto it. So... go ahead, remain willfully ignorant. I can't help that, and don't really care.
/r/TheRedPill13/05/15 05:36 PM
1

Well, you had a hierarchical relationship. I am avowedly non-hierarchical, although if I go to an event or party with a partner, we usually have the agreement to keep an eye on each other, and leave together. And yeah, some immature people who have no business pretending to be non-monogamous fuck it up for those that really get it. Anybody who lies about relationships, and thinks they are open and non-mono, is full of actual shit. Same here - in fact, two plates, just by coincidence, also see an…
/r/TheRedPill13/05/15 05:33 PM
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Frankly, some RPers here fall under #3. I feel there are some who are in the "I must believe everything I read about RP", and will deny and excuse reality in favor of maintaining their closed ideas. There are many, many people writing into the manosphere, and as Theodore Sturgeon said (sort of): 90% of anything is crap.
/r/TheRedPill13/05/15 04:57 PM
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And that's a case of "it doesn't fit my belief system, so it can't be true." Sorry, but you are entirely incorrect. You can decide to learn something, or be willfully ignorant, as you choose. I personally won't participate further in the latter.
/r/TheRedPill13/05/15 04:54 PM
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As another poster said the same thing, I'll basically repeat what I said: Such things exist, but they are not the same thing at all. Just because you can't conceive of how that would be, doesn't mean it is as you think. At all. Think about how RP is generally viewed, and how absolutely wrong those people are, because their programming doesn't allow them to hold such thoughts. YOU are doing that.
/r/TheRedPill13/05/15 04:40 PM
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And you'd be entirely wrong. Just because you can't wrap your wits around it, doesn't mean others are like that. Think about how RP itself is generally viewed, and how absolutely wrong those people are. You're doing THAT.
/r/TheRedPill13/05/15 04:39 PM
3

Exactly. It'd become a "free sex" zone for losers. Except since that isn't what swingers want, they'd be mostly with one another.
/r/TheRedPill13/05/15 04:38 PM
2

Exactly. Every serious NM-er knows how much it is not for everybody, and that there is a social stigma. I believe NM is the natural state of men, and might well be for women as well, but our social programming has taken us very, very far from what should be a natural and, frankly, life-affirming relationship style.
/r/TheRedPill13/05/15 04:37 PM
1

Folks, do not validate them by visiting them - at all. Next and move on.
/r/TheRedPill13/05/15 04:35 PM
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None of those other things violate the Feminist Imperative, so feminists of this stripe (because I believe there is a rational, RP-compatible form of "feminism"), including the bulk of beta males and similar SJWs, are all too happy to live in their echo chamber.
/r/TheRedPill13/05/15 04:34 PM
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Excellent point. And one can extend that to any subject being censored.
/r/TheRedPill13/05/15 04:31 PM
2

Brilliant and true. And yes, it comes crashing down, but often after those who set it up are gone.
/r/TheRedPill13/05/15 04:30 PM
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You are dealing with the entitled and intentionally ignorant. Willful ignorance is pretty much THE trait of the type of internet troll who doesn't believe they are a troll. There is NO rational argument that will sway the willfully ignorant. They have made a decision to eschew logic or reason in favor of a belief system, and it is like dealing with a religious zealot/fanatic. Your best course of action is to treat them like a bad plate: next and move on.
/r/TheRedPill13/05/15 04:29 PM
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Bitch WILL be all over you if you do it right - and so will other bitches at a swinger gathering. Mate guarding is not compatible with swinging at all.
/r/TheRedPill13/05/15 03:33 PM
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Yeah, a lot of the swinger stuff is heavily weighted against solo men (perhaps understandably, as their gatherings would just become total sausage fests).
/r/TheRedPill13/05/15 03:33 PM
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I am a completely "out", non-monogamous guy, and date and bang other women, and the women I date, date and bang others (whether male or female or trans or whatever). Group sex is a part of this scene, although not necessarily "swinging" as such. If you are really a student of such things, read the book "Opening Up", and possibly "More Than Two". It will open your eyes to a very wide world that you just have a pinhole view of at the moment. The "gets off knowing she is happy" has an actual name: …
/r/TheRedPill13/05/15 03:32 PM
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I am exactly the same way, and have been cultivating NOT automatically just speaking my thoughts. I have noticed a direct correlation between telling a lot about yourself or experiences, and the interest from even established partners. The less I talk, the more they reach, the more affection they show, and the better and longer the relationships generally are. It's a work in progress.
/r/TheRedPill13/05/15 03:20 PM
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You are doing fabulously. You obviously "get it". This phase is absolutely normal, and may not be the last bout of anger before all this is fully integrated, but you'll get there, and comparatively quickly, if this level of interest is maintained. It changes into pure understanding. It's nearly impossible to be mad about it at that point. So now you know: your mission is paramount, whatever that is. Keep moving.
/r/TheRedPill13/05/15 02:35 PM
1

We have similar online strategies, particularly about nexting those who are playing the wrong kinds of games. I ensure, right in my profile, and with plenty of fanfare, that any prospect knows I actively "date" others, and that exclusivity is not an option. This has not really slowed down anything, but it has weeded out the soulmate-hunters. (Well, mostly - I get messages from this type maybe once a month, who somehow think it would be different with them. One recently said, "one date with me an…
/r/TheRedPill11/05/15 07:30 PM
1

A lot of people bemoan hearing about somebody having a terrible parent, and some types of terrible are worse than others, but I've seen men use this in much better ways than women. Much like you say, those experiences can actually add insight and strength to one's life, if you are not of the victim (i.e. no agency) mentality. And we know who has no agency.
/r/TheRedPill11/05/15 07:13 PM
1

If it's a frat-vibe, then definitely not the right place, but a more open venue is fine. It helps to know the type of crowd. Hey, get/stay in great shape, work on your personal success. You'll be one of those oldsters.
/r/TheRedPill06/05/15 05:04 PM
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Think post-RP person for the younger and older, and it might make sense, although obviously an older person who becomes RP can do all the same things - fitness, education, blah blah. But the more of it you already had before, the more you can leverage it. I don't really do the bar/club scene. I find parties, online, and the random encounter, to work for me.
/r/TheRedPill06/05/15 12:44 AM
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I am totally in your Dad's camp. I can only presume that people who rail against this, even in this sub (and I get it regularly) are either having their tenuous alpha-ness threatened by such things (oh no! more competition?), or actually assume they themselves will never be that able when older, and are simply and only jealous. And you can probably think of other motivations, none of them particularly helpful to the conversation. I am well into 50+, and my SMV has literally never been higher. Th…
/r/TheRedPill05/05/15 04:12 PM
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I can see that point. But clearly wasn't my point. I said posts about "why hookers are better", not "why sometimes a hooker is a good idea". It was selling hookers over normal plates or relationships altogether, and thus was unequivocally the former case, not the more reasonable latter one.
/r/TheRedPill05/05/15 04:01 PM
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If you think anybody said "immortal", then you imagined it. This is a straw-man argument - a non-sequitur distraction that you put up only to knock down, pretending it was my argument. It never was, and I suggest first you actually read what I said, and then actually do just a little research into formal life-extension science. I really can't engage the ignorance.
/r/TheRedPill05/05/15 03:59 PM
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I'm sure there are individual who think so, but it hasn't been hotly debated. I think anybody would know that as one ages, some things are going to go. How healthily and gracefully one ages is to a large extent under one's control.
/r/TheRedPill05/05/15 04:24 AM
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Start here That will provide much food for thought and other things to investigate.
/r/TheRedPill05/05/15 04:20 AM
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Well then, you obviously don't know what's actually possible. Hamstering? That's your very incorrect opinion. Denial? Not at all, complete reality. Sorry but you actually don't know a thing about this. Not that that will prevent you from continuing to think you do, which you are welcome to do.
/r/TheRedPill05/05/15 04:19 AM
1

I have never seen anybody refute the possibility of a male wall, the few times it has come up. Why do you think "TRP is assuming the wall will not hit them"?
/r/TheRedPill05/05/15 02:39 AM
0

Simply put, one never has their well being guaranteed. You could impregnate your wife, and die 30 seconds later. There's absolutely zero reason (of that type) that two people who want to start a family should not. While certainly, an older father is more likely to have less energy, especially if a typical person that doesn't do much to improve themselves. The rate of physical entropy can, to a large extend, be managed. Also, there are truly amazing developments in aging science, and in several a…
/r/TheRedPill05/05/15 02:38 AM
2

Good stuff. I thought the "cold socks" thing was pretty funny to include. Some people just don't get what depression is, and think it's just "being down a bit", and all you need is cheering up. There's more awareness now about the fact that this is not the case, and that it is actually a disability for a clinically depressed person to feel better, akin to telling a paraplegic that they can "walk if they really wanted to." It is cruel and false. But I still found some of the advice would require …
/r/TheRedPill04/05/15 08:41 PM
0

It's extremely typical, and there are occasional posts about the frustration of talking to a beta about RP. Very likely, your existing, pre-unplugged male friends will have a very different relationship with you, if any at all, when you've fully actualized unplugging.
/r/TheRedPill04/05/15 08:17 PM
3

You will find perhaps the most common unplugging experience is, after having studied RP, having a disastrous, final beta relationship. It is truly a catalyst, once you have knowledge.
/r/TheRedPill04/05/15 08:14 PM
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Largest recent age gap: 33 years younger than me. Men can be virile their entire lives.
/r/TheRedPill04/05/15 08:12 PM
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Meh, lessons learned. Everybody trying to unplug makes that mistake. Carry on.
/r/TheRedPill04/05/15 08:10 PM
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I totally understand. I've had connections in the last few years where we both admitted we'd have children with each other. Happily, we never did. I would want several years past the New Relationship phase, before truly going down that route if we both still felt that way.
/r/TheRedPill04/05/15 08:08 PM
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I don't need to, as obviously anybody knows people change. You proved you know exactly what anybody knows. Also, there is now easily reversible vasectomy (developed in India and amazingly cheap, non-invasive, and effective). See? I do pay attention to such things.
/r/TheRedPill04/05/15 08:06 PM
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That wasn't really the case here, but yes, because they haven't typically got a career, they easily run off to other places and things. Mine left because her boyfriend, with whom she lived, wanted to move back to the midwest, and she decided to go. Did I mention I'm openly non-monogamous, and that he knew all about our relationship?
/r/TheRedPill04/05/15 08:03 PM
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I have to fight the urge to say "you should know better", every day on this sub. I just see this sort of lapse as simply not having really unplugged. It shows one hasn't fully transitioned, but that's not something to harangue somebody over. It's a recognizable phase, and a difficult one, as some of the most cherished fantasies still have to be purged and replaced with truth. Encourage them to keep studying and applying RP, and especially to try the things they are most uncomfortable about.
/r/TheRedPill04/05/15 07:47 PM
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Good to hear. I'm one of those "foxes", and also open (and I presume you mean openly/ethically non-monogamous, as you've used the term "primary" as a noun). Definitely, have your own space, but not just when you are old. Get that as early as you can, and try to keep it that way.
/r/TheRedPill04/05/15 07:45 PM
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I'm glad you started that with "I guess..", because your guess is wrong. Almost 60, girlfriends and plates in 20's - 50s, the main one right now being a very young looking lower 30's (most people guess her age as 25, from what I've seen). But I've had a recent plate in her low 20s, until she moved out of state. So, as I know mostly about myself, but assume I'm far from atypical (at least for older men who've unplugged), I'll just give you examples where I agree and disagree, specifically. Two ve…
/r/TheRedPill04/05/15 07:43 PM
1

Retirement communities are well known in the health industry as cesspools of STIs. There is a LOT of sex going on between the residents, typically, and little worry about the effects of most STIs.
/r/TheRedPill04/05/15 07:30 PM
1

What you describe is exactly why most men refuse to even look at RP seriously. It is obvious to them that it attacks their most cherished fantasies.
/r/TheRedPill04/05/15 07:26 PM
2

Not always that willingly. I know women with "age appropriate" partners, who lament the loss of, and think wistfully about their prior relationship with an older man.
/r/TheRedPill04/05/15 07:25 PM
1

One thing few RPers seem to know about on a visceral level is that there are lifestyles that reinforce "stable sexual friendship". Polyamory (despite it having a somewhat deserved reputation, due to many non polyamorists declaring themselves poly), non-monogamy in its many other forms, can open doors that make doing all this much easier, but it most certainly is not for most. That said, I don't think humans are even remotely "naturally" monogamist, and those that adhere to that lifestyle seem to…
/r/TheRedPill04/05/15 07:23 PM
1

I agree. I did it, twice, and consider some of it the hugest waste of life and time. Absolutely never again, and my single life has been adventurous and terrific since.
/r/TheRedPill04/05/15 07:18 PM
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Most people age terribly, for that reason. But both men and women can remain extremely fit. Women in particular who are very active in yoga and pilates truly can have the body of a 20'something, well into their 40's and even some 50's, from my experience. It's all about giving a damn about yourself. If you don't, it's your loss.
/r/TheRedPill04/05/15 07:16 PM
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And don't rule out the 18 year olds. You have the right formula: fitness, confidence. Add to that appropriate style, and a little game, and you will get the attention. After that, it's in your hands.
/r/TheRedPill04/05/15 07:13 PM
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I'm one of those 50+ guys. Here's the thing about purpose: you either have purpose, or you're a leaf in the winds. Purpose is the thing that provides energy, new experiences, and growth. You have to have all these things to truly enjoy life, and older people often believe they've exited that period in their life. But there's no reason at all they have to. We all can think of examples of truly vibrant, obviously attractive, older men. It's entirely "in their head".
/r/TheRedPill04/05/15 07:11 PM
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There is no life-killer as effective as thinking one is "done". There is only decline and death after that. I can understand why anybody, truly convinced they are "done", would commit suicide, as a way to end the misery. It's a horrible way to live. Edit: I don't really approve of suicide, as I don't like the idea of "quitting", but I really can understand why somebody would see death as better than continued life. I may not agree, but I can understand how one can come to feel that way.
/r/TheRedPill04/05/15 07:08 PM
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I do find it a little sad when there's the occasional post about "why hookers are better". I see it as an internal failure of those men that they can't get what they want without spending the money, and the explanations sound exactly like hamstering. If you have to justify it, then you aren't actually all that comfortable with it. I'm sure there are some here who will not like that, and they don't have to.
/r/TheRedPill04/05/15 07:05 PM
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And with RP and a lot of sweat, those regretful men can start a new life, that is exactly what they really want.
/r/TheRedPill04/05/15 07:03 PM
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Exactly! A fit, attractive, well-groomed and dressed older man, who is confident and alpha, is a stand-out among the younger crowd. There is a sense of calmness and power that, if one has cultivated it, is very attractive to women. Game comes very naturally, and there is a "wink wink" attitude about the "wrongness" of high age-gap relationships that excite a lot of younger women. But yeah, the old rules definitely apply: Be attractive Don't be unattractive. Exceptional fitness is very achievable…
/r/TheRedPill04/05/15 07:02 PM
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Exactly. This is beta ideal - a woman who "loves me for ME", unconditionally. I honestly do not believe there is a woman in existence who stays happy in such a relationship. You have to provide tingles, and find new ways to keep doing so. But do them as a challenge, not a requirement. And keep those activities to the things that you'd be interested in even without "her".
/r/TheRedPill04/05/15 06:59 PM
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You have the right formula. I'm about 20 years older than you, and still pull the 20s-to-50s, regularly. Retaining a light, fun-loving, open attitude (which translates roughly as DGAF) is a rare and attractive thing for a man, at any age. Expanding interests, having many activities, and working to remain fit will put one way ahead of the pack as one gets older. Be an outlier.
/r/TheRedPill04/05/15 06:56 PM
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It's not entirely a circle jerk, as we also have those older men here, who are very successful with the younger ones. But "geriatric" actually has a meaning, and it isn't "what YOU think is old". The World Health Organization defines it as 65 and older. The circlejerk is real if those expecting that aren't staying very fit, increasing the circle of activities and friends, and being interested enough in life to have many interests. And that is a tiny minority of older men. So, while the odds are …
/r/TheRedPill04/05/15 06:52 PM
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The simple answer to "do you think..." is yes. Think about it. If you become the type of older man who is sour and bitter, as it seems so many are, then sure, you're going to lose on the dating front.But if you are alpha, fit (more fit than most your age, which isn't hard when you get older and have a fitness tradition), then you are WAY beyond the pack. There are younger women who prefer this type. And your premise of " lifting and holding frame is not going to put you in the same league as a g…
/r/TheRedPill04/05/15 06:48 PM
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A solid guy in his 50s or 60s can always find a woman (often a lot younger) for companionship. The thing you can't do as easily at that age is start a family. Part of that is absolutely nonsense. There are so many instances of older men and younger women starting a family, that it's surprising to think anybody says "you can't do that easily". My own brother is marrying a girl 24 years his junior. They plan a family. The shaming crowd will disapprove because "he won't be around for the kids", and…
/r/TheRedPill04/05/15 06:43 PM
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Broaden your viewpoint. There are men (and women) who truly do not want children ever.
/r/TheRedPill04/05/15 06:39 PM
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You don't have to be a famous old guy to have a high SMV. Guys like Kissinger have literally nothing going for them, physically (unless he has a huge cock, who knows?) But they have power. Even more than wealth, power is a huge aphrodisiac. Eastwood of course has fame, power, wealth, artistic status. It's a loaded deck, with guys like that, as any woman of any age is going to be incredibly excited about romantic interest from such a man. I'm an older guy, and I have much younger plates who "actu…
/r/TheRedPill04/05/15 06:37 PM
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I love to hear this. I'm in your friend's age range, and also have several much younger plates, as well as a couple older ones. The youngest, recently, was 23, and we had our relationship until she moved out of the state. I have a gift of gab, however, and also many interests and activities, so there is often a good foothold for conversation to get deeper. And have developed a very firm alpha framework, which has skyrocketed my success ratio. Being older is less a barrier than being beta. An in …
/r/TheRedPill04/05/15 06:33 PM
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Take heart, my friend. I am close to 60, and have multiple plates ranging from their 20's to 50's, all hot and very sexual. In fact, the youngest is the person I see the most of. And they all know about my other plates. RP doesn't preclude happy LTRs at all (see The Rational Male book and blog - Rollo is married, and has been for a while, and writes about the use of RP to have a successful marriage). And of course, one's SMV declines eventually (potentially much, much later for men). And the fac…
/r/TheRedPill04/05/15 06:29 PM
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I used to have that same aversion, but it's really just gone now. I lost "friends" along the way, and acquired many new ones, who appreciate a genuine person. One of the most common things I hear from a prospective plate is how refreshingly "open" I am. Of course, there's beta "open", and alpha "open", and trust me, they mean the latter, as usually this is about sex or relationship talk. I don't seek confrontation (except when I was pushing these RP tenants to the breaking point), but I am very …
/r/TheRedPill04/05/15 06:12 PM
2

No worries. Almost everyone here is going through, or has gone through, their transition period from beta to alpha, and we all have made egregious, beta errors. It takes these kinds of things to finally give one the proof of conviction about RP tenants, and fully incorporate them into one's self.
/r/TheRedPill04/05/15 06:07 PM
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Sucks, but it's all part of unplugging. Very true about saving things from her. But also, you have to decide if the effort is truly worth it, and the best way to be objective about that is to acquire a real abundance mentality. Might make a good "Tales of my beta woes" type of post, though :)
/r/TheRedPill04/05/15 06:05 PM
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Well, there ya go. How are things now? Did you achieve an abundance mentality?
/r/TheRedPill04/05/15 06:03 PM
1

I've met exactly one woman who was actually nurturing in that way that men are taught to believe, and she was an elder relative. Very likely a virgin when she got married in 1919, raised on a farm in Canada, with 10 siblings. She had a grammar school education, because that was enough, and was well-schooled in household care matters. It was a different world, and in general, a more RP world, as regards men. But as far as anybody I would consider dating, I've never met one that was truly nurturin…
/r/TheRedPill04/05/15 04:19 PM
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Okay, you have fallacious assumptions. There are none who won't display some aspect of these behaviors, to the exact degree you allow it. Doesn't matter where they were raised. Yes, some women may not have the fully modern take on sexuality, and really have low partner counts. But you will NEVER meet one who is a valid candidate for a relationship, who won't shit test, try to get you to enter her frame instead of her entering yours, etc. They aren't all sluts who enthusiastically ride the CC, fo…
/r/TheRedPill04/05/15 04:12 PM
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No, what you describe is exactly what a beta man experiences from women. Because they (and you) don't hold frame, you immediately go into the "no respect" dumpster. They then feel free to express every kind of bad behavior, because you won't put them into line. This is not HER problem, it's yours. They all will behave badly if you let them.
/r/TheRedPill04/05/15 04:05 PM
1

Meh, not really adequate payment, unless you were non-monogamous and seeing others.
/r/TheRedPill04/05/15 04:03 PM
2

Then you missed the entire point of his post. Yes, he WAS describing a terrible person, but remember, they take as much leeway, especially against one's frame, as you let them, and he failed the handling of these behavioral shit tests completely, and apparently didn't even see them as shit tests at the time. Of course, next her, but that's not somebody with this mentality (which looks entirely beta) would ever have. But there are super valuable lessons here that makes it a valuable post.
/r/TheRedPill04/05/15 04:02 PM
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Okay, women are just as bad as you let them be, and no more. But don't sweat it - one has to experiment with RP, and not all experiments succeed. In fact, one should learn more from the failures. When I was learning this, I'd take a premise, such as "don't give them a pussy pass", and push it hard, on some potential plate, to see where the breaking point was. That is, I went into it recognizing I will have to waste a lot of encounters, and not worry about driving away a potential plate. So, for …
/r/TheRedPill04/05/15 04:00 PM
2

And of course, suspenders and a cane, and perhaps a string tie.
/r/TheRedPill03/05/15 02:47 AM
1

Yeah, been there with the personality, thin, etc. and also crazy as starving weasel in a chicken coop. Which I'm only imagining would be crazy, because I've never seen it, but it seems likely. Actually, I see a (medicated) bipolar chick, and have dated such several times. This one definitely manages the crazy much better, and she's been a plate for over 6 months, and still going strong.
/r/TheRedPill03/05/15 02:45 AM
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You know, there's was another thread yesterday asking about people who'd put their dick in crazy, I definitely don't dwell in the deep part of the curve. Amusing stories I posted there, if you want to take a look.
/r/TheRedPill02/05/15 02:11 PM
1

Sorry, not buying it. Women may be AWALT, but that doesn't mean identical. The ones that do that kind of activity are outliers. AWALT and just about all other tenets are workable as a "preponderance", bell-curve sort of things. There are many, many variations, and how much any of the tenets get expressed as actual behavior varies widely not only from woman to woman, but also in any one woman, at different times. But I don't buy the excuse. And, of course, I don't have to, and you don't have to c…
/r/TheRedPill02/05/15 02:34 AM
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I think that's an extreme situation, and if it is the norm for you, either you aren't confronting just walking (taking the "L", as Patrice puts it), which, as a very good post points out today, is something you must ALWAYS be ready to do, or you are ignoring serious red flags much earlier on. Honestly, I find your approach based on unreasonable fears, but if they're your fears, then so be it.
/r/TheRedPill02/05/15 01:39 AM
1

Great post. Walking away is probably the least understood, most "feared" thing that the not-really-unplugged contemplate, because it seems they haven't really cured their oneitis, or best-I-will-ever-do-itis. It's almost universal, even in this sub, when I mention I summarily next a girl for bad behavior, for a few "pump and dump" fans to get all over me because of their perceived notion of a "missed opportunity". I personally demand and require respect from plates, first and foremost. I will pu…
/r/TheRedPill02/05/15 01:12 AM
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In fact, feminists have hijacked the very word, misogyny. It's actual definition: "dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women." While there are definitely people here who post misogynistic things, particularly when in the anger phase of unplugging, the RP man who's gotten through the gauntlet doesn't seem very misogynistic at all. Understanding the female, and feminist (not the same thing) sexual agenda and strategy is not misogynistic in the least, any more than knowing that…
/r/TheRedPill02/05/15 01:05 AM
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I wouldn't argue with that. I also live in social mutant central, Los Angeles.
/r/TheRedPill02/05/15 12:44 AM
1

That's driven by their need to not look like sluts. If you're a terrible person, cheating on you is "okay". I don't however understand your beta strategy. I wouldn't want to waste that time.
/r/TheRedPill02/05/15 12:44 AM
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Yeah, saw that hours later! When I posted, it was not on TRP's front page.
/r/TheRedPill02/05/15 12:43 AM
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As others have said, you tolerated this for far too long. Actually just letting her rant on is a total loss of frame. I've been there, though. The instant I realize a rendevous is not going to have any future, I end it. I have nothing to lose by doing so, and an evening to gain back that might still be salvageable. But while I like your point, and have certainly dated in that range, with children, etc., I wouldn't say there's no fun, life, etc. Innocence? Nah, and I don't care about that, person…
/r/TheRedPill01/05/15 09:51 PM
2

I've had 4 serious stalkers. Had to have one forcibly removed by police twice. She didn't and had never lived with me, but insisted on coming to my place when I explicitly had told her not to. Another literally camped on my doorstep for the entire day (I was out, so heard about it later), and left the most immature, middle-school-mentality love note. Continuing the immaturity, she had all her BFFs texting me, telling me what a great person she is, that she wanted me back, blah blah blah. Can you…
/r/TheRedPill01/05/15 08:45 PM
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On the bright side, pizza delivery porn! And meh, almost nobody who uses the term "hacking" in any form, has so much as a clue what it means. Thanks for the story, though. Sad, but all too typical. Edit: You know, the whole female imperative is basically the gaslighting of men.
/r/TheRedPill01/05/15 08:38 PM
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But most of the "teachers" in this group are men. Or perhaps just male ;-)
/r/TheRedPill01/05/15 08:36 PM
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Heh, maybe. I find it is very rare that they require the phone call, and not doing so has had no impact. I find many also want to chat just enough to know I'm not an idiot, then meet.
/r/TheRedPill01/05/15 08:35 PM
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But I get contacted regularly by first-time messages from girls. I also do initiate conversation often, so you have a point, but that's part of living with the facts, not just "bending" to somebody else's frame. For example, OKCupid has been very active in data-mining their massive database of online interactions, and they published a book about it, and an ongoing blog. I read that only about 3% of women even respond at all to any other form of contact than a message. That is, "meet me" features…
/r/TheRedPill01/05/15 06:32 PM
1

Ah, yeah. I just tell them I'm not interested and move on. Because I'm really not, and I actually have an abundance mentality.
/r/TheRedPill01/05/15 05:38 PM
1

Aaaand that comment was entirely non-sequitur to mine. I think we're talking past each other.
/r/TheRedPill01/05/15 05:10 PM
1

See, I don't care if they find me. That's their problem, if we're not together and they're obsessing about what I'm up do. Typically, they want to see if I'm writing about THEM. One time an ex tried to call me out - I was absolutely writing about her, but of course, gave no identifying information. She objected. I told her, essentially and clearly, "Too bad. I write. These are MY experiences. I didn't do anything to identify you. Get over yourself." Granted, one ex who was still FB "friends", st…
/r/TheRedPill01/05/15 05:09 PM
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I never do that for "some time" any more. Some exchanges are more verbose, and more exciting, than others, but I expect to actually meet, rapidly, if there is mutual interest. I never chat because they "demand it". I'm not even sure how somebody would do that, but to me, it would be an interest-killer. I know the type you're talking about - I've "accidentally" gone on dates where I didn't expect that, and those are one-and-only date situations, ended very early once it is obvious they want to be…
/r/TheRedPill01/05/15 05:04 PM
1

You are a fine example of the kilt-wearing brotherhood. Carry on.
/r/TheRedPill01/05/15 03:13 PM
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No, online dating is hugely different, for several very important reasons. Mainly: (1) it's a fucking gigantic super market of hotties. It gives, particularly women and very sad beta men, the idea that they have choices and options that they really don't; (2) They have your and their profiles, which have created a sometimes extensive picture, whether true or not, of the other person. The best I can make of "playing into their games", seems to mean things like "losing frame", not controlling the …
/r/TheRedPill01/05/15 03:09 PM
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Well, within their little echo chamber of entitled sluts, and "friends" who are secretly happy about their "friend's" loss of face, yes, they have a social structure. The larger society obviously still gloats and shames on such things, however. Any politician's little scandals shows that secret schadenfreude.
/r/TheRedPill01/05/15 02:45 PM
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Did somebody here actually say that? It's not my anticipation that I'm fostering, but hers. It also is often part of the whole D/s dynamic, and even the most vanilla girls seem to really like a moderate amount of this (D/s generally, that is, not just building anticipation).
/r/TheRedPill01/05/15 02:41 PM
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Wow, the economically-framed argument totally busts this wide open. Well done.
/r/TheRedPill01/05/15 01:21 AM
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Not weird. The definition of cheating in any relationship (of any kind, not just romantic) is acting contrary to the rules of the relationship, particularly when intending to hide those acts. She cheated on you, just as in a monogamous relationship. Your feels were appropriate.
/r/TheRedPill01/05/15 12:53 AM
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Frankly, I feel that "unplugging" means exactly losing your delusions about society, especially the ideals imprinted on us by vested interests like Disney. If you still feel that way - that things "should be" some other way - then you haven't unplugged.
/r/TheRedPill01/05/15 12:34 AM
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I'm not sure if it's the somewhat tortured language and non-punctuation of your post, but from what I gather, just about none of it adds up to even being relevant in this post. Care to maybe rephrase much more carefully?
/r/TheRedPill01/05/15 12:32 AM
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I've got you beat by a wide margin, age-wise, and I also am easily the best looking, in the best shape, and the most confident I've been. No comparison to any other earlier time of my life. It takes commitment to oneself, and work, but any RP man knows that.
/r/TheRedPill01/05/15 12:30 AM
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Absolutely. The confidence such a man actually has, attracts younger women, often sick of the stupid gamesmanship of their male cohorts. And please, remember, we are talking about preponderance of occurrence, not any kind of absolute "every time" bullshit. There is literally nothing that works "every" time.
/r/TheRedPill01/05/15 12:28 AM
2

As one of the elder statesmen here, I'm going to chime in. Being RP (and not just faking it, or just copping an attitude, but actually fully establishing yourself, your frame, and your lifestyle), an interesting point is that I can pull plates from their early 20's to their mid-50's, and when I mention it here, know-nothing under-30's spew some drivel at me about the older ones with, "ewww... they're the bottom of the barrel". You can hear the pussy in their tone of voice. A man, well establishe…
/r/TheRedPill01/05/15 12:24 AM
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You have self-respect, my fellow redditor.
/r/TheRedPill01/05/15 12:06 AM
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Yeah, it's not like I haven't had ONSs. I just find them kind of a waste of my time, as these are people who I never want to see again, and they always want a repeat. I want someone I can explore ;-)
/r/TheRedPill01/05/15 12:05 AM
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And I've been attacked multiple times on RP merely for stating my preference in this, without giving it a value judgement. It's always "fuck em and chuck em". Fine, if that's your strategy. I feel it must be some doubt or insecurity in what they find themselves doing, that makes them have to criticize any other strategy. I want my girl to be dripping from anticipation, and even then, I'm controlling the pace. Trust me, she was.
/r/TheRedPill01/05/15 12:04 AM
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Varies. I wear it out to a number of types of things - some parties, anything kinda sexy (like Burlesque), etc. It really depends on the company I think will be there. Also, recently went to my mom's re-wedding, and wore a kilt, so... Edit: btw, it was fun to see the dancer's reactions when they realized I had a kilt. Lots of winks and knowing looks :D
/r/TheRedPill01/05/15 12:01 AM
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Guess: he lives with her. Sounds like a young guy.
/r/TheRedPill30/04/15 11:17 PM
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Rather than tearing him down for the chinks in the armor, how about acknowledging that he's learned something about shit tests? And, depending on one's mom, ignoring her may be EXACTLY "RP".
/r/TheRedPill30/04/15 11:16 PM
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It is a shit test, even by your definition. Obviously they already had history with this, and he maintained frame when she attacked it.
/r/TheRedPill30/04/15 11:15 PM
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So yeah destroying shit-tests ... gives you peace of mind, and control of your own frame. Yes. Shit tests are directly aimed at getting you into her frame. They have other purposes, but all them attack frame. Peace of mind comes from knowing who you really are, and then, without a shred of apology, being that person.
/r/TheRedPill30/04/15 11:14 PM
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This works a charm, even if you don't "do the math". The sudden cessation after a couple of "givings" on your part, will result in her suddenly being loving, showing more sexual hunger and wildness, etc. That's if you have already established an alpha presence with her.
/r/TheRedPill30/04/15 11:06 PM
1

mmmm... more like she will have plenty of alpha cock.
/r/TheRedPill30/04/15 11:04 PM
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There is actually a subject called "brutal truth", and there are books about it. It's not generally considered very effective, although it might make the practitioner feel somehow superior. I don't believe in sugar coating, but I also believe in paying attention to responses.
/r/TheRedPill30/04/15 07:46 PM
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OMG, I dated a woman who liked to call herself a "logic-based organism". The delusion of it became so very apparent.
/r/TheRedPill30/04/15 07:44 PM
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men tend to solve problems, while women talk about problems This is so true, that it's pretty much a social trope that when a woman tells you her problems, you should NOT try to solve them. Men always try to solve them, and the women just want to heighten their feels.
/r/TheRedPill30/04/15 07:44 PM
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Wasn't Reagan who said something like, "Tax what you want less of"?
/r/TheRedPill30/04/15 07:35 PM
4

We need a "slightly sarcastic" indicator. Maybe /S is "really sarcastic", and /s is not so much?
/r/TheRedPill30/04/15 07:33 PM
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Ahahaha! Okay, yes, then. I plan to collect some hellacious rent, and she seems ready and able to pay it.
/r/TheRedPill30/04/15 07:32 PM
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Mmmm, meh. I don't think that's the whole truth, or even, as you seem to have been attempting, the underlying truth. I think it comes down to the gender-wide trait of solipsism. The shock and surprise that anybody would ever view something differently than they, themselves, do.
/r/TheRedPill30/04/15 07:29 PM
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Absolutely in that camp. Took a date to a strip club last night. I think she and several of the dancers were rather attracted to one another (and the dancers definitely did stuff to at least make it seem that way).
/r/TheRedPill30/04/15 07:27 PM
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This is not only true, but when they get caught, they will blame YOU for the resulting disaster, because you shouldn't have tried to find out. This is one of the most common things you'll see in, for example, XX, as part of the distressed, "validate me!" postings there about being caught cheating.
/r/TheRedPill30/04/15 07:25 PM
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Sorry, bruh, believe it. Take that doubt you have and shred it to fuck, because it is based on the feminist and betaman lies you were indoctrinated into. Also, there's the massive, and utterly worthless, "relationship counseling" industry, so... yeah.
/r/TheRedPill30/04/15 07:24 PM
1

Even in the poly/non-monogamy lifestyles, cheating is a hanging offense.
/r/TheRedPill30/04/15 07:23 PM
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Frankly, I'd rather be talked about as the guy who fucked several of those housewives into unconsciousness. Then, let 'em talk.
/r/TheRedPill30/04/15 07:21 PM
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Frame gone? No shit, after 6 months of "therapy", consisting of bashing everything about you. LTRs are such dangerous frame destroyers. Read up on Rollo's postings (The Rational Male) about it - he's in a similar LTR, but has gotten a handle on how to navigate that as an RP man.
/r/TheRedPill30/04/15 07:20 PM
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This is exactly how I treat several capital relationship offenses. There's at least one ex here who creeps my posts, and she knows this very well.
/r/TheRedPill30/04/15 07:18 PM
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Yeah, the "wish I'd never told you" is usually followed up with "but it's your fault I did it." Everything else has more agency in their own lives than themselves, for such women.
/r/TheRedPill30/04/15 07:12 PM
1

Get into a competitive martial art, and stick with it.
/r/TheRedPill30/04/15 07:08 PM
3

The apex of Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs.
/r/TheRedPill30/04/15 07:06 PM
2

Fan-fucking-tastic! And I agree, and would amplify that the most important thing in the manosphere is what you say here: I'm not done because I'm addicted to the journey. I'm addicted to analyzing myself without any bullshit or justifications. Literally everything else flows from that.
/r/TheRedPill30/04/15 07:04 PM
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Short term on the hold, expecting stock value to... rise... considerably, very soon.
/r/TheRedPill30/04/15 06:48 PM
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It's easier to file her crap away than to deal with ongoing litigation and reputation issues. Very true. Here in Los Angeles, the school district has had a number of very damaging news stories about how they handle abusive or extremely incompetent teachers. Here, they get tenure after just two years, and once they have it... firing them is nearly impossible. The district claims it costs about $500,000 dollars to successfully dismiss somebody - legal costs and settlements. So, instead, they have …
/r/TheRedPill30/04/15 06:44 PM
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So, now we're (collectively, tax payers) funding the pension of this cock holster?
/r/TheRedPill30/04/15 06:39 PM
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Meh. Online dating is different. Women online seem to have, when interested, 3 basic pre-date communication styles: Fast. They don't wanna chat, they wanna meet. They know chat is a waste of time, and that chemistry is determined in person. Slow. They want to textually chat for some time to "get to know you". Every now and then, this is worth it, but expect all kinds of shit tests. Phone. This is less common, but some have a policy of requiring at least one phone call before a date. The reason, …
/r/TheRedPill30/04/15 06:38 PM
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Personally, I prefer to push that point, very hard, almost immediately. I believe the conversation had better become sexual within a half hour, on the first date, or it's pointless. I will look a date in the eye and tell her I'm going to take her home (did that this week, and yes, I did). Last night (see my FR today) with my date, I told her flat out, when driving her home, that I was going to take her to my place, but I had an early morning. This had a very positive effect. It's just as importa…
/r/TheRedPill30/04/15 06:35 PM
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The phone thing doesn't necessarily mean much. I'm guessing you're both rather young (say, not more than earliest 20s)? It's just kind of cultural. Often, on a date, something we're talking about results in, "oh! oh! I have to show you this!" Out comes the phone, and it's just part of the conversation. But also, perhaps she just ran a bit out of steam (since it seems you're letting her carry much of the responsibility for the interaction). My recommendation is to allow these "down" moments, but …
/r/TheRedPill30/04/15 06:30 PM
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Why would one not just immediately end the date when you can tell it's not happening? It'd be a relief for both parties.
/r/TheRedPill30/04/15 06:28 PM
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Anticipating the inevitable "you shoulda fukd her on the first date", or "you shoulda just stayed up and boned her good!" sort of comments, a few facts: My own strategy is not to just fuck them. It's to create terrific FWBs. She and I are both non-monogamous, quite openly, and, oddly, we actually have a connection in that one of her partners is also the partner of one of my partners. And, in fact, that common connection (a man) -- I fucked his wife like 18 months ago. So don't presume your strat…
/r/TheRedPill30/04/15 06:24 PM
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I do reply, and I tell them why it's off, as I said in the FR. My feeling about that is that I'm hopefully educating them to be better for the next poor slob who's going to attempt dating them. If not, then it sure at least feels good to be absolutely honest, provide zero pussy-pass, shame their bad behavior, and maintain frame, all at the same time. Edit: I can't stress enough how one absolutely must know one is, oneself, The Prize. If you don't, you'll find it is nearly impossible to maintain …
/r/TheRedPill30/04/15 04:00 PM
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Oh yeah, another guy commented on that a bit more explicitly, heh. Don't think it didn't cross my mind.
/r/TheRedPill30/04/15 03:57 PM
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I'm assuming you don't mean "LTR". "poly" - polyamorous. Literally, "many loves". A lifestyle in which one has more than one simultaneous, and often romantic as well as sexual, relationships. All relationships are consensual, including the fact of other relationships. Often in a poly situation, the various partners will know or meet one another. Most typically, "polyamorous" means at least a main couple, and then their various other partners, either together or apart. "Solo poly" - a relatively …
/r/TheRedPill30/04/15 03:55 PM
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Once you know you can, sometimes you get choosey. It's not that I couldn't have, obviously.
/r/TheRedPill30/04/15 03:46 PM
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I think any thinking person recognizes the distinction. I didn't, however, say that being a thinking person is that common ;-)
/r/TheRedPill30/04/15 03:45 PM
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Posture tip that worked for me: Imagine you are wearing a cape (like Superman). Immediate good posture, measurably taller.
/r/TheRedPill30/04/15 12:16 AM
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You are thinking like a man, in that first paragraph. Doesn't apply. I like your strategy about the early notice.
/r/TheRedPill30/04/15 12:07 AM
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Meh, maybe for you. I am solo poly, non-hierarchical, and have relationship-anarchy leanings. A lot of the "traditional LTR" types are not even interesting to me.
/r/TheRedPill29/04/15 11:58 PM
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I gave up wanting to know "why" after a year of studying RP and manosphere stuff. I know why. But they don't -- or they can't articulate it. I've met one woman who absolutely knew about all her RP traits, and would brag about them (leading on BBs while fucking AFs, using sexuality to get special favors of all types, etc.) - and she had no exposure to the actual subject - she was just one of the few who were self-aware enough and uninhibited enough to own it. Also, every bit as terrible a person …
/r/TheRedPill29/04/15 11:48 PM
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Interesting. I'm sure it happens, but I don't think one just meets somebody and falls into bed with them/and their daughter(s). Maybe once in an amazing long while, a guy stumbles into that. That said, I'd be extra surprised if they were all at least good looking. That's just about too porn-y to be real.
/r/TheRedPill29/04/15 11:45 PM
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Thanks for the recommendation. Just bought it on Amazon. And, damn, the Kindle edition is more expensive than the new paperback? WTF!!!
/r/TheRedPill29/04/15 11:43 PM
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Yup. They're adults, though.
/r/TheRedPill29/04/15 10:09 PM
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As I said, these women generally go to great pains to eliminate that fun-sucking. Most ensure their kids are with Dad, playdates, sleepovers, etc. I rarely interact. But it can cut out on availability, which isn't even vaguely a problem, as there are other plates more available.
/r/TheRedPill29/04/15 07:41 PM
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BTW, there was a terrific sci fi story about heavily enforced equality, I think from the late 50's or early 60's. Ah, found it, and it's by one of the most generally terrific authors of the 20th century. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrison_Bergeron
/r/TheRedPill29/04/15 07:40 PM
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Very true, especially the "rare brevity" part, heh. No two things of any kind, in the macro universe, are "equal". You have to ignore a whole lot of unequal traits or properties in order to achieve "equality".
/r/TheRedPill29/04/15 07:37 PM
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I totally know that "best sex" strategy. They don't get that in a non-mono lifestyle, variety is the whole point! They can suck my dick for hours, but that won't ever result in exclusivity at all. I never talk about or display my wealth. When they come to my place, they can tell things are financially very good (and well done on the $50K). I don't care to attract them that way, to be honest, so I don't. I want to hook them on ME, first. Then, when they find out the other perks, it sets the hook.…
/r/TheRedPill29/04/15 07:32 PM
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In this area, there are a ton of in-shape, pilates-and-yoga women in that age range. Also, I'm more than a decade older than her. I date women from early 20s to early 50s, regularly. A 20-something is driving from 3 hours away in a couple weeks, to spend a weekend with me. Another plate is 49, another 51, another 33. I'll tell you, the most multi-orgasmic women I've met are in the mid-to-late 40's. This is just to give you some perspective on how and whom I actually "date" (ha! not really, but t…
/r/TheRedPill29/04/15 07:20 PM
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Archer has gotta be one of the most RP characters in entertainment who is actually likable. Although the recent season had that annoying lovey-dovey period, the annoyance of which was, I'm sure, the point.
/r/TheRedPill29/04/15 07:13 PM
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Ha! Next indeed. Had another plate come over instead, new one online tonight.
/r/TheRedPill29/04/15 07:12 PM
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Oh, believe me, the idea floated in my head. But it was pretty clear she wanted to somehow "protect" the daughters - which is fine, and wasn't at all the point of what I was saying, which is more about respect than pussy. She was sending me flirty picture several times throughout that day, so there's just no excuse other than very poor shit-testing.
/r/TheRedPill29/04/15 07:12 PM
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You need a reality adjustment about just how crazy some women are. Edit: Heh, may I introduce you to an ex or two?
/r/TheRedPill29/04/15 07:09 PM
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100% agreement. Women need control, and the few that balk at it are the "strong feminist" types, who can't understand why "good" men don't want to date them (and who typically do everything they can to destroy the type of man they "want"). My own style is to ensure anybody I might date or even pick up, knows I'm non-monogamous, and that that is a lifestyle choice. If they don't like it, it's fine. There is actual abundance of lovely women in my life, and new ones all the time (one is very likely…
/r/TheRedPill29/04/15 07:09 PM
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Oh man, that "golden vagina", post-wall thing is so true. Perusing dating sites, women in their mid-30's to mid-40's are almost always divorced, have kids, and have no idea that what they want is now unattainable to them. They don't think they have to reduce their "standards" (because there are in a much lower league now). So, they date losers whom they dislike, and complain loudly about "no good men". And there aren't any good men... interested in them.
/r/TheRedPill29/04/15 07:03 PM
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I think it isn't really well believed just how insecure women are about relationships. Even that total hottie is a mess of insecurities and jealousies. Especially, actually. Remember: Men always hold the keys to the relationship. And women know it. Without your cooperation, there is no relationship. If you are into traditional relationship styles, then you bring to the relationship stewardship, finance and provisioning, guidance, control (which they need), and many other things. At least initial…
/r/TheRedPill29/04/15 07:01 PM
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That is precisely what I believe, and how I act.
/r/TheRedPill29/04/15 06:14 PM
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Her early-20's daughters. She actually said "daughters", but I was being lazy. Nothing blown here (PHRASING!)
/r/TheRedPill29/04/15 06:14 PM
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I don't mind it, once we've established OUR relationship. Most of the responsible, dating parents that I know absolutely will NOT introduce a partner to their kids early on. One I dated had a "one year" policy (but breaks it regularly after a few months, heh). I never push it - I'm not a kid guy. Since her kids were supposed to be out on their own (early 20s), I don't think getting along with them is a big deal, nor was it particularly something she mentioned in her profile (i.e. that she was lo…
/r/TheRedPill29/04/15 06:11 PM
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Strongly agree. I'd put it simply: Be the prize. Be willing to take the "L", at any time, as Patrice often says. (Black Phillip Show). And, a corollary to #2, that makes walking easier, is cultivating not just an "abundance mentality", but actual abundance. Whatever work you have to do to be the prize, you just have to do it. Period. Get your plates, refine your ability to select and acquire them, and you will almost never have any trouble walking when it suits you. (Yeah, that's for the non-mar…
/r/TheRedPill29/04/15 05:27 PM
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Courage, brother. Stay on the path and it absolutely will get better. For you.
/r/TheRedPill27/04/15 05:24 PM
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By trend, do you mean the preponderance of newer redditors here? I don't know that we'd get many people supplying the information, but mostly would be those who are pleased with their appearance.
/r/TheRedPill27/04/15 05:19 PM
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Generally yes. You'd be surprised at my very pot-bellied older brother with a GF 24 years his junior, and hot by anybody's standards. Also, taller than him. Yeah, I can't figure it. Oh wait, she does wear glasses...
/r/TheRedPill27/04/15 05:17 PM
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I hear you. Totally not his style - very beta about relationships.
/r/TheRedPill27/04/15 04:58 PM
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Re-read. Nobody said he's throwing her out. No, she didn't learn anything. His oneitis got the best of him. He's a weird BP guy who lifts, is a fantastic musician, and a fun guy, but he's got a fatal case of oneitis for whomever he is currently dating.
/r/TheRedPill27/04/15 08:24 AM
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Another quick fix: imagine you are wearing a cape. This puts your back into excellent alignment, but you have to be sure you find the position that is relaxed as well. Don't raise your shoulders when doing this.
/r/TheRedPill26/04/15 05:54 PM
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Because if you accept disrespect, you've lost frame. And that's pretty much absolute, no matter what the situation.
/r/TheRedPill26/04/15 05:51 PM
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Yeah. I have a couple of plates now cleaning my place and doing gardening. They are very happy.
/r/TheRedPill24/04/15 08:50 PM
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A friend who's got serious oneitis with a recent flame, had his grandmother die, and he posted constantly about how incredibly shitty she was to him during the process. Then, after a few days, he apologized, and "everything is okay with my SO". In other words, he had no RP knowledge to explain why he should just next her, despite literally all his friends telling him he should. Anybody who's been or known betas in such situations, you know their projections onto their SO will excuse almost any b…
/r/TheRedPill24/04/15 08:49 PM
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I see this as simple projection, and is exacerbated by oneitis (whether in a woman or a man). The problem with seeking "the one", is that when one meets a candidate, one will tend to aggressively interpret their behaviors as compliant with what one expects from "the one". And yes, in my experience, it takes about 6 months to discover (or, really, accept) the variances from that ideal.
/r/TheRedPill24/04/15 08:46 PM
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Oh, way longer. This really started hitting in the late 60's, and became a huge theme in the 70's. Not with the cocaine and disco crowd, so much as the counter-culture.
/r/TheRedPill24/04/15 08:33 PM
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There is no surer way to end a properly sexual relationship than to show such weaknesses. Whether physical, mental, emotional, women will show "sympathy", and next you, sexually, pretty much immediately. Even the most self-aware, RPW type will do this (I've experience with that one). Sorry, RPWs - but while the effort is appreciated, you still have those genetically embedded sexual needs and strategy.
/r/TheRedPill24/04/15 08:31 PM
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What incredible, in-depth knowledge and insight. Except wrong, but incredible. No need to continue - your opinions are obviously "fact". But thanks for being a fan. Since I don't post for karma, I'm not a karma bitch who cares, or even looked at the points. That games for girls and betas.
/r/TheRedPill24/04/15 03:47 PM
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That's exactly why I mentioned it - to be sure he'd considered it. His answer, as usual, is mature and in-frame.
/r/TheRedPill24/04/15 03:46 PM
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Well, I didn't actually say you should DO anything - just was wondering if your are aware that that is about her only avenue, and with her parents pushing her, she'll be working over your son. And definitely - you actually have to do nothing, as you've already established a perfectly valid framework that you simply don't have to change (nor would you, obviously).
/r/TheRedPill24/04/15 02:58 AM
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And your opinion is just as n=1. Also, fine. Ignore frame, and everything else you know about RP. Be a troll, or learn something.
/r/TheRedPill24/04/15 02:55 AM
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I will also say: Wrong. I did summarily and completely next a relationship with 2.5 years of solid investment, when I discovered a type of disrespect that she was unable to understand she was doing. Since she couldn't understand, it would never change, and I ended it at the very instant that was clear to me.
/r/TheRedPill23/04/15 09:17 PM
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So, you're okay with her working over your son constantly, to get him to get to you? I believe you won't cave in at all, but this woman is undermining YOUR relationship with your son. I'd take that personally, and perhaps is one of the "failure lessons" he needs to learn.
/r/TheRedPill23/04/15 09:15 PM
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Good point. It's an extreme shit-test. If she wins, then just know the marriage will be over rapidly.
/r/TheRedPill23/04/15 09:12 PM
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If she is indeed that spoiled, you are not only right in bringing that to light, but also in holding your position.
/r/TheRedPill23/04/15 09:12 PM
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Stand absolutely firm. Her true intentions are quite obvious, and in the end, you will be doing your son a truly enormous favor.
/r/TheRedPill23/04/15 09:08 PM
1

Yeah, but apparently not with you.
/r/TheRedPill23/04/15 07:12 PM
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That last bit is golden. When a plate has a suggestion I like, I immediately make it my own, "improve it" (or just change it because frame), and tell her the version of it that we'll do. Frankly, they LOVE it. Women don't want to take charge. You fail every time they do, if you are involved in it. Even something as simple as "what should we order for delivery"? You should never ask that. Know what you want, and let her know "I'm ordering pizza/thai/etc. for dinner. What do you want?" (if you are…
/r/TheRedPill22/04/15 11:40 PM
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RP matures for the individual only in the crucible of use, whether successful or not. RP is not primarily an intellectual subject. To be fair, it's premises are actually few and simple, and easily tested. It gets complicated with the many PUA and game techniques, but they are all based on one or another of these few principles, and you could synthesize every one of those techniques if you actually understand the principles and TRY them. It's really an action subject. It's a sport, if you will. T…
/r/TheRedPill22/04/15 11:36 PM
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Bad game will destroy even a 10. Women want the tingles that a man can provide. BP behavior turns them off.
/r/TheRedPill22/04/15 11:22 PM
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I think so, but not quite in the either/or binary sense you offer. I think it is more important to not be unfit, and to not be too (and this is perhaps a difficult one to find the right word for) ugly. I mean, yeah, if your have a deformity that shows your are a poor genetic choice, then you have a serious problem insofar as RP tenants are concerned. But being fit - being more fit than most men in the room - is "enough". After that, it's just how much advantage you want, which is going to be var…
/r/TheRedPill22/04/15 11:20 PM
1

As is so often pointed out, you have to be the prize. This isn't attitude (only) - YOU (the man) have to become what IS a prize. Men control access to relationships. Women control access to sex. If you're the prize, they will want a relationship with you. It changes everything when it is on your terms.
/r/TheRedPill22/04/15 09:59 PM
1

Ah, that last sentence gives it some clarity.
/r/TheRedPill22/04/15 03:25 PM
2

Thanks. The definitions I find would include my example, so perhaps there are colloquial variations. I think using vague terminology, and at the same time, either requiring or forbidding it, is just a recipe for confusion and wrong decisions.
/r/TheRedPill22/04/15 02:33 PM
1

So, a post saying, for example, that complains generally about new users being inexperienced, acting stupidly alpha, etc., without naming a particular one, is not tone policing?
/r/TheRedPill21/04/15 08:29 PM
-1

Okay, and while I agree, how is this post not tone policing, itself?
/r/TheRedPill21/04/15 05:35 PM
1

I am not sure why having other's emotions influence you unduly, as OP claims, is "maturity". Seems to me the hallmark of all kinds of maturity is the ability to be more rational about things than when one was younger and more "out of control". I think men are sympathetic and empathetic, but not weepy/emotional or responding like some kind of emotion amplifier. I consider that far more mature than weeping over spilt milk.
/r/TheRedPill21/04/15 02:32 PM
1

And again, you've missed at least half of the actual RP on this. You aren't qualified to say "as RP as it can get". STOP TROLLING. Start EXPERIENCING. Your "theories" are based on zero.
/r/TheRedPill20/04/15 09:30 PM
1

More trolling. You are so wrong in everything here. There is no trust. It's based on trying it and finding it works, something you remain ignorant of. Your trolling is tiresome and is factually bankrupt.
/r/TheRedPill20/04/15 09:29 PM
1

You're repeating the same point that I disagree with. Women don't have that kind of foresight at all. They want tingles, and if they don't get them after ruining your frame, they will find the next source of tingles. I'll reiterate: you've missed RP fundamentals, and you don't actually know what you're talking about. Get out there and USE RP, and, like almost everyone here who has done so, you will find it to be diabolically accurate and workable. More BB whining about what should be isn't relev…
/r/TheRedPill20/04/15 08:28 PM
1

That sucks, but is super typical. I never put relationship status on FB, even when she does. The "never find better" is a real oneitis symptom. I used to have that, and I did have some pretty interesting GFs, but so far, I've found that the old adage about "close one door and two more open" is very true, when it comes to relationships and dating. And I've fully internalized Patrice's "be willing to take the L" - I will immediately and summarily next ANY plate or GF who offers certain types of di…
/r/TheRedPill20/04/15 06:10 PM
1

You can think that. You are playing semantic games, and you seem intelligent enough to know it. I won't engage further as this is a contest of semantics, which isn't the point. Write about the point, if you want a discussion, otherwise, be a troll.
/r/TheRedPill20/04/15 06:01 PM
1

Except that isn't what happens, unless they are familiar with RP, either naturally or through education and experience. Most men end up losing frame in an LTR, and wondering what happened to all the hot times. Some guys do make cheating a lifestyle (I know a few). Some do branch swing. I think a well educated RP man can do both, as you say. Rollo (The Rational Male) writes quite a lot about RP in an LTR, as he is quite experienced with that. My personal choice in all this is ethical non-monogamy…
/r/TheRedPill20/04/15 05:59 PM
0

You really don't get it. You either haven't read, or haven't used, the most basic principles of RP. Hit the sidebar and be quiet until you actually gain something here. Your comments are very BP. Frankly, I've tagged you as BP troll.
/r/TheRedPill20/04/15 05:54 PM
1

Not really wrong, but far too broad. A shit-test is to see if you will alter your frame to fit hers. That's all. If she wins, you lose some part of your alpha standing with her. It's not "strength as a man", but "how real is the alpha qualities of this man"? Sorry, man, but you have missed the boat on one of the most fundamental concepts of RP. Please read up on them. You sound like a BB who's defending the romantic falsehoods of the female sexual strategy. They want you to PROVE yourself consta…
/r/TheRedPill20/04/15 05:53 PM
1

I answered the question. There is no speech. It is straight up told, such as in online profiles. If I meet someone offline, it's almost always something that comes up, as the question "married, gf?" is pretty common. I tell them I date several people non-monogamously, or something very straightforward like that. I've even said "I have several girlfriends". I don't mind if that's a turn off for them, because they wouldn't be able to handle it. But I'd say more than half the time, this elicits a c…
/r/TheRedPill20/04/15 05:48 PM
1

A lot of people here are NOT looking for a traditional relationship, but are here more for sexual strategy and PUA stuff. That said, I've dated a number of interesting and fit, as well as cute/pretty/hot, women who were also still not LTR material, but it was just fine for what it was. There are all types out there (except NAWALT).
/r/TheRedPill20/04/15 05:37 PM
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Practically by definition, women absolutely do not want you to improve once they "capture" you. Shit tests, frame destruction, etc., are designed to reduce YOU, so that you won't be attractive to other women. Of course, you become unattractive to HER as well.
/r/TheRedPill19/04/15 04:39 AM
1

Maybe this is a continuation of miscommunication, but I have never felt it was my job to make them "interesting". They are, or they are not.
/r/TheRedPill19/04/15 04:23 AM
0

Two. One of them is apparently the internet police.
/r/TheRedPill19/04/15 04:21 AM
1

More or less like that. "ethically non-monogamous". I get a lot of "oh, poly" responses, which isn't the same thing in my experience, but people are more familiar with the term. I don't even do a first date with somebody who hasn't been told that.
/r/TheRedPill19/04/15 04:21 AM
4

Abso-fucking-lutely beautiful.
/r/TheRedPill18/04/15 01:33 AM
1

That may be your experience. I'm sure there ARE these low-count, serious-commitment-minded girls who are also witty, fascinating, demure, and skilled in a variety of useful things in and out of the house. The women I tried dating had literally no hobbies, nor did they have any life/household skills, such as cooking, cleaning (their places were beyond atrociously filthy), or even grooming particularly well.The most extreme one literally worked a low-traffic receptionist job, went home... and appa…
/r/TheRedPill18/04/15 01:28 AM
2

You can't imagine the stoned-like giddiness of her FB posts when this is on.
/r/TheRedPill18/04/15 01:13 AM
-6

Sorry, but I don't buy that you meant it honestly. Look at your tone and language. Done here.
/r/TheRedPill18/04/15 01:13 AM
-5

You already are. Don't be a douche about it - this is not the place for you to assert that your morality is superior.
/r/TheRedPill17/04/15 05:36 PM
11

I disagree with the watchers>doers thing. I have dated a lot of women in the last 5 years, all over the age and success spectra, and unless they had a personally strong and persistent belief in the sanctity of their bodies, they had, every one, an extensive history of riding the carousel. For whatever reason, women feel comfortable rapidly around me, and even on first date I often get the most horrendous admissions from them, like the one who said that in her own dating history, she'd "never not…
/r/TheRedPill17/04/15 04:51 PM
15

I know several in their mid to late 20s who are totally in this mindset. One, despite having advanced degrees in technical and in-demand subjects, manages to actually work as, and I shit you not, a Disney princess, at Disneyland.
/r/TheRedPill17/04/15 04:43 PM
3

And just about none of them will find her close to their league.
/r/TheRedPill17/04/15 04:41 PM
2

And never forget that the feminist propaganda is that her "never having had a boyfriend" is YOUR fault (as in all of us men). You're supposed to be and do all that, without any expectation of, literally, anything in return, from finances, to housekeeping, to the bedroom. She is entitled to all your largess, without doing more than having a vagina. Anything more is just a huge favor you should never count on, and expecting it makes you "The Patriarchy™."
/r/TheRedPill17/04/15 04:41 PM
2

90% of life is timing. You blew it, as it appears everyone else sees. You weren't even vaguely "too RP" - don't credit yourself with that. You either strike or you don't. Even if you are lining the plate up for later, you don't do it by ignoring an obvious request. But you do need to immediately flip it back to your frame once she says she wants to see you naked. The important thing here, though, is to get a grip on yourself and an honest look at your development in RP. This is not a "too RP" FR…
/r/TheRedPill17/04/15 02:40 PM
2

Rollo has written quite a bit about that and other ways in which men "buffer" themselves from actual interaction. Check out his blog so far this year.
/r/TheRedPill17/04/15 01:45 PM
2

I think we are basically asserting the same thing, actually.
/r/TheRedPill17/04/15 05:11 AM
3

Excellent, and glad you had the very great fortune to have that upbringing in these times.
/r/TheRedPill17/04/15 02:20 AM
1

No, the person is an example of beta gone wild. He is doing what a lot of women do when jealous. And he's also crazy.
/r/TheRedPill17/04/15 12:18 AM
1

Nice use of Agree & Amplify!
/r/TheRedPill16/04/15 10:55 PM
2

Sigh. No. This is a common belief among betas. Right now I know a girl with a very beta BF who thinks that she'll go from being non-monogamous to monogamous, with him only, through 6-hour fuck sessions. She and I have talked about it quite a bit. She has and likes other partners who are more "normal". He is freaking out because, I suspect, his dick is about to fall off, and she's just moved him from her "primary" to "regular". His beta antics now include CONSTANT texting and calling, accusing he…
/r/TheRedPill16/04/15 10:50 PM
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No, nor do I engage in inferior-grade trolling, since you are clearly the illiterate you wish I were. Carry on. Maybe someday you'll have a clue.
/r/TheRedPill16/04/15 08:09 PM
3

Absolutely. Every single point.
/r/TheRedPill16/04/15 08:08 PM
3

See, that's about their motivation for going MGTOWs. I think more often than not, it's an excuse for failing and not having adopted a solid RP frame and understanding. It's abandonment, not rising above. But some men really have run the gamut, and decided that this is their lifestyle, concentrating on improving themselves and doing their thing. Such men I've known effortlessly pull a plate in when they want to.
/r/TheRedPill16/04/15 07:42 PM
2

Oh man, so much more will click into place!
/r/TheRedPill16/04/15 07:40 PM
2

Interesting. "Vibrant" is the word my current fave plate uses to describe me. She's a quarter-century younger than I. I appreciate the vote of confidence.
/r/TheRedPill16/04/15 07:39 PM
7

Women see nothing like that, due to their bred-in solipsism.
/r/TheRedPill16/04/15 07:34 PM
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Other than the "right now" part, I'm sorry, but this is some of the worst BP drivel/advice I've seen recently in this sub. Your solution to their chaotic thinking is "listen to them"? Carefully analyze and judge their "views and opinions"? What a perfect way to annihilate your frame and totally adopt hers. Men, read and do the opposite. I often just tell them, with amused mastery, to "be quite now", or even "shut up", as I've posted before. When done right, they comply, they smile, and are happy…
/r/TheRedPill16/04/15 07:33 PM
5

seeing my fellow man get gunned down like that is brutal I have a policy of never helping a woman cheat. Don't need that drama.
/r/TheRedPill16/04/15 07:29 PM
3

There's a figurative ton of writings in the manosphere about the difference between how men and women love. The consensus: Men love romantically, women love opportunistically.
/r/TheRedPill16/04/15 07:27 PM
7

And thus, dread game, abundance mentality, and never accepting her frame.
/r/TheRedPill16/04/15 07:24 PM
2

He's been a co-fave in the man-o-sphere, along with Patrice O'Neal.
/r/TheRedPill16/04/15 07:22 PM
4

When they breach your alpha frame, it's essentially over, without rapid and effective damage control. And yeah, I've dated that kind of uber-medicated crazy. It has its fun moments, but...yeah.
/r/TheRedPill16/04/15 07:21 PM
2

Exactly. Once you have established her place, you can do these things. If it's a "serious" plate, the occasional more expensive time out can be fun for both (and be sure you are doing it for yourself, and bringing her along, rather than for her). I let plates do things I need done (no, not that - they're already doing that) if they want special favors. Two of them do housework and/or gardening at my place, just because they're showing me their value as a relationship prospect, I suppose. I don't…
/r/TheRedPill16/04/15 06:30 PM
1

Also, often HSV2 is symptomless. I also am curious if that report broke it down by gender, to back up the 50% claim on women. After looking, doesn't seem so, but this was also stated: "Infection is more easily transmitted from men to women than from women to men." I personally had a plate with HSV-2, and she'd had it for 20 years, without ever passing it on (insofar as she knew - the stats on people having it unknowingly are huge). She had a system that appeared to work, and I didn't catch it fr…
/r/TheRedPill16/04/15 06:27 PM
2

Heh, I tell my plates I want them to flirt and dance with guys, to get them worked up. Then just drop them and come back to me. It's a fun game. I'm an asshole. They love it.
/r/TheRedPill16/04/15 06:22 PM
0

Even for this sub, that's a bit too broad a claim. Source, or bullshit.
/r/TheRedPill16/04/15 06:21 PM
2

I never consciously thought about the "Power of 'NO'" (which should be the title of an RP self-help book). But I use it all the time, quite consciously, as part of holding frame, which may be the RP principle underlying your post. Heh, of course, The Power of No would also sound like a feminist agenda book.
/r/TheRedPill16/04/15 06:20 PM
3

I always recommend Rollo Tomassi/The Rational Male, for such situations. He's a top RP blogger and author, who is married and writes about RP with LTRs quite a lot, as well as fascinating insights in other aspects of his writing. He doesn't often give advice, but offers explanation and depth of understanding so one can figure out one's own course of action.
/r/TheRedPill16/04/15 06:18 PM
4

The recreation/fun thing is HUGE for me. It is common for a plate to tell me "how much fun" it is being around me. I just do the stuff I'm interested in, and I pick the plate who would be most fun on such an occasion. Or I go alone, because I don't often base my entertainments or activities on what somebody else wants. The exceptions are things I'm interested in or curious about anyway. That whole "won't ever find it again" is their form of oneitis. I don't know your age, but let's just say I re…
/r/TheRedPill16/04/15 06:15 PM
2

Yeah. I suggest it, but actually, wouldn't waste the time on it.
/r/TheRedPill16/04/15 06:02 PM
6

I've seen a number of these post-wall, educated and employed, "modern" women (and dated more than a few). They are TERRIBLE mothers, wives (based on their own admissions of their married lives), and frankly, are kinda shitty plates. However, and this is important, every one of them I dated was eager to be subjugated in the bedroom. You're going to find impact play, humiliation, and other BDSM play punishments to be practically endemic in this crowd.
/r/TheRedPill16/04/15 05:30 PM
7

I used to like to be the guy they CAN'T own. I've got the income, career, home, recreational pursuits, fitness and other physical traits, and love for fun times that few men my age seem to have or keep. I suppose, based on what they tell me, I'm the equivalent of a "unicorn". This is not to brag - I basically have never considered it for myself, but I hear it regularly. The point is that this is quite attractive to the post-wall woman who thinks she can still pull an AF. There are a ton of these…
/r/TheRedPill16/04/15 05:26 PM
7

Having been an AF to a high earner, can confirm.
/r/TheRedPill16/04/15 05:17 PM
2

This pretty much matches all my dating experience with divorced, separated, "educated" women. Even when the degree isn't shitty (one was PhD in epidemiology and worked in the field), they fuck off and do the least amount of work they can phone in. As the "strange dick" in a couple of these (both separated, not divorced), can confirm they live off the beta semi-ex.
/r/TheRedPill16/04/15 05:16 PM
5

We seem to have similar ideas about much of this. I actually find MGTOWs a more honorable thing than PUAs, by quite some margin. That said, I think one can develop effective PUA without resorting to the cheesy canned lines and advice, using just the principles of RP and its understanding of the dualistic sexual strategy of women.
/r/TheRedPill16/04/15 04:56 PM
3

You should have helped her. To fail at the math. After that, she won't call you again.
/r/TheRedPill16/04/15 04:53 PM
6

Except when she dresses like she wants it... /s
/r/TheRedPill16/04/15 04:52 PM
9

Plot twist: You stayed and got her pregnant... ;-)
/r/TheRedPill16/04/15 04:51 PM
1

Nah, the regular thing isn't a problem in my experience. This kind of triad is not that uncommon in the non-mono world. I know a woman who is a long-time third in a poly relationship, plays individually and together with both of the married partners, and has for years. Everybody is happy to keep the arrangement simple and on point. It might help that all people involved are long-time, experienced non-monogamists.
/r/TheRedPill16/04/15 01:46 PM
1

Yeah - their sense of entitlement to men is kind of stunning in its obviousness. They truly are shocked anybody might simply refuse their usually highly fabricated charms.
/r/TheRedPill16/04/15 01:43 PM
1

It's not about the "opportunity" to recover - it's about the drive to do so. I can attest it can be done, and that's all that matters to me. The doubtful will, as you say, not make it.
/r/TheRedPill16/04/15 01:41 PM
1

I don't understand how an explanation of what DT really is is "not to be discussed." It is a HUGE topic in the man-o-sphere. Are you actually at all a student of what RP contains? It seems you don't know much about it.
/r/TheRedPill16/04/15 01:39 PM
1

Every self-identifying alpha woman I've dated (3 who easily qualify) all had phenomenally slutty pasts, and terrific mental disorders (clinically - as in actually having been incarcerated in mental institutions at some point). These women had powerful, responsible jobs, high education levels. They were, every one, all about the bad boy AF type until they decided to "settle down", at which point they'd find the beta, and then continue riding the CC anyway. Seriously: every single one.
/r/TheRedPill15/04/15 08:18 PM
0

But it's an interesting way to explore some of the depth, and nooks and crannies, of RP theory.
/r/TheRedPill15/04/15 08:15 PM
2

Lol, if only. Having dated self-avowed RPWs, I can tell you, the majority of their understanding is used as hamster fodder to help them manipulate men. It's just an adjunct to their dualistic sexual strategy. That said, This is based on my experience. I wouldn't doubt there are actually sweet, sincere RPWs who would perfectly match the RP ideal. I just doubt many of them would ever self-identify as RPW.
/r/TheRedPill15/04/15 08:14 PM
1

Some people in denial must downvote the obvious truth. Same mental deficiency as climate-change deniers.
/r/TheRedPill15/04/15 08:12 PM
3

I dislike concern trolling about what "has no business being here". I don't see this thread as out of line, but I'd agree most are so new here they are at best in the early anger phase, or even the preceding denial phase. And I'd agree that a lot of people posting here are just flexing their wanna-be-alpha muscles, rather poorly. Sometimes quite annoyingly so, but sometimes, worthy of instruction.
/r/TheRedPill15/04/15 08:10 PM
3

Can't speak to polygamy, but I absolutely can for polyamory, open-relationships, and general non-monogamy. Every self-styled alpha woman I've dated has been extremely submissive in the bedroom, excited by kinky sex, being flogged, spanked and slapped, and very much interested in adding a second woman to the mix (every one of them has been bisexual). I wouldn't marry one, but they can be fun playmates.
/r/TheRedPill15/04/15 08:08 PM
2

As I mentioned elsewhere here, I've dated a number of these. But I'm avowedly and openly non-monogamous, and so have they been, although that's not the same as "polygamy" at all. But it has some of the same effects. One rather alpha girl (in her profession) that I know well, but haven't dated, always dated tall, willowy, effeminate men (who were actually bi). For a while, she lived with two of them. She's now married to one (not one of the two). He cooks, cleans, sews, etc. She does her art and …
/r/TheRedPill15/04/15 08:05 PM
6

Most alpha women, in my experience, want to be the girl in a relationship, and even moreso to be the girl in the bedroom. This is so true. I've dated a number of self-styled alpha women - activists, PhD in highly technical subjects, body builders, and so forth. But all of them have been extremely submissive in bed, and, if your RP game is good, in other aspects of the relationship as well. Nothing quite like telling an "alpha" girl to "make me a sammich", and have her trot off and do it ;-)
/r/TheRedPill15/04/15 08:02 PM
4

As another recent post made clear, explaining RP to a woman is a total lose - more than a waste of time. Keep your RP understandings to yourself, when it comes to women. That said, there are a few women who identify as RP women, and I believe there's even a sub for it. I dated one of these for quite a while, but honestly, she just used RP as rationale for being slutty. Can't say how other RP women use the information, but they claim it's so they can be better women. I think men and women have a …
/r/TheRedPill15/04/15 08:00 PM
2

Every woman I've met (and dated, in particular) who identifies as "alpha", was just wishful-thinking about it. They spout feminist agenda items and social justice rhetoric, all "proving" their alpha status. Not one of them were capable of handling the day-to-day aspects of life without a man (often an ex-husband, interestingly enough). From routine child handling, to doing their job, or (duh) fixing stuff around the house, they all had their beta buddies on call. I can tell you all this vanishes…
/r/TheRedPill15/04/15 07:57 PM
2

There is actually a so-called "vulnerable dark triad", which has BPD rather than psychopathy. And psychopathy itself varies in intensity. While emotionlessness is not a trait of DT, alexithymia is, which basically means they are unable to identify or describe their own emotions.
/r/TheRedPill15/04/15 07:45 PM
2

You are correct. Narcissism has to be a primary feature of the DT personality. As for sadism, that is NOT a Triad personality trait. When a Triad is also a sadist, it is called Dark Tetrad, and is a fairly new designation.
/r/TheRedPill15/04/15 07:39 PM
1

Wrong about the sadism. Sadism is an additional feature, and Dark Triads who have that are called Dark Tetrads. A typical Triad is not also a sadist.
/r/TheRedPill15/04/15 07:38 PM
1

I think it varies, as the three major contributing personality traits include the utter lack of empathy from Narcissism, but also "enduring antisocial behavior, impulsivity, selfishness, callousness, and remorselessness." One could easily see some of these exposing emotions, but in most cases, these would be calculated, not a natural response (due to the Machiavellianism). By the way, in some recent scholarly articles, Machiavellianism was the trait most correlated with DT diagnosis.
/r/TheRedPill15/04/15 07:37 PM
0

I have seen that one can really rewire from beta to alpha. I think the alpha state is the natural state for a man raised well, and is still the natural, but utterly supressed state, for even the most extreme, but physically normal (for a male) beta. It takes a lot of work, and longer than most would think, but even those subtle beta tuggings become more and more stand-out and obvious in their most nascent stages, and so can simply be quelled without ever affecting your actions or thinking. Event…
/r/TheRedPill15/04/15 07:33 PM
0

Yeah, the "I love you" line used to get to me. A plate said that to me the other day. My response? "Awwwwww." That was after sex. We then slept, and 5 hours later, she woke me up with her hand massaging me in a most erotic manner. Yeah, leave the drama queendom to women, and beta men.
/r/TheRedPill15/04/15 07:29 PM
3

People who think they want to become a Dark Triad (or, latest in Pyschiatric terms, Dark Tetrad, adding sadism), really haven't understood that it is a pathology, not merely a set of behaviors from which you can cherry pick the things that get you laid. Not only that, they actually haven't understood one of the most basic RP principles of becoming the best man that you can. A DT is an extremely damaged person. But for people looking for that "quick fix... what do I DO?" thing, they grab onto thi…
/r/TheRedPill15/04/15 07:27 PM
1

Since most people know nothing about the poly or related lifestyles, there is a "clean" version of this, in which a group of people all get tested for all STDs. This is so they can "fluid bond" (look it up). The idea is you only let in people to the group who can pass this test, and they must only ever have sex with those in the group. For people who want that kind of crazy fuckfest, without the massive risk, this is a real thing. And yes, people are vetted - random "walk ins" don't happen.
/r/TheRedPill15/04/15 07:06 PM
3

They don't. Anybody who's been even in a, say, MFM 3-some, knows how much some women dig this (if they had the right girl, which they really had better).
/r/TheRedPill15/04/15 07:04 PM
7

Yeah, I knew a few. Getting passed around is a bro thing in biker gangs. Other than, as you say, an "official old lady" (which for the non-familiar, means, basically, a significant other of some kind, not just random pussy hangers-on), girls who won't are just kicked out.
/r/TheRedPill15/04/15 07:02 PM
1

Yeah. Most people's experience end at just having one or two partners simultaneously. There are those who do groups, and I mean "do" in every sense of the word. Probably not YOUR gf, of course... but maybe your mom?
/r/TheRedPill15/04/15 07:00 PM
1

Alcohol. Youth. Stupidity. Nobody has ever overestimated the idiocy of this combination.
/r/TheRedPill15/04/15 06:58 PM
10

I'm sure there's a million things that would horrify a beta to tell a woman, that will get you laid (or laid++, for my computer-y friends). They don't get that the tone communicates something altogether different, dangerous, and sexy as hell.
/r/TheRedPill15/04/15 06:48 PM
3

When I've had over-talky girls, one of these three has worked every time - I just lean over and whisper: "you need to be quiet now." "Shhhhh" or even, with the exact right tone, "shut up" This has literally always gotten smiles and affection in return, but it's all in the delivery (amused mastery).
/r/TheRedPill15/04/15 05:48 PM
14

I've dated over-talky women. On a number of occasions, I've simply pulled them over and whispered to them any of these: "You need to be quiet now". "Shhhhh." And even, with the exact right tone: "Shut up". These have all gotten smiles and affection in return, but it's in the delivery (amused mastery).
/r/TheRedPill15/04/15 05:42 PM
0

Nope, just more reading in going on here. Sorry, after your first sentence, it's clear you're hear to grind an axe, not have a conversation. Carry on, if you like.
/r/TheRedPill14/04/15 11:36 PM
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"Mental weakness" is a vague term that apparently has some particular meaning to you. At best, I can surmise that it means any man deficient in any one of intelligence, rationality, determination, and similar traits. All willful ignorance is weak, in my opinion. Your example is one of willful ignorance on the part of the guy whose dad went to that university. Honestly, I have never had a problem with determining this. Most men are weak in some area. I'd offer that ALL are weak in one or more are…
/r/TheRedPill14/04/15 11:19 PM
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As a shiatsu therapist, I can tell you this: video each session. Easy and cheap with modern wi-fi security cams.
/r/TheRedPill14/04/15 11:08 PM
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Even after female sexual strategies drive a man here, it takes, so it seems, one more disastrous attempt before fully swallowing the pill. Your life will change.
/r/TheRedPill14/04/15 09:26 PM
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Welcome to the truthful minority. The most important thing is to move forward. You mention your "own inadequacies". That won't improve overnight, and neither will anger just vanish. But if you actually dedicate yourself to improving yourself first, you can chuck most of this other stuff out the window - worry about the way the world is regarding sexual strategies can be put aside if you are working on yourself. And the anger does reduce, and eventually turn into something rather like amusement a…
/r/TheRedPill14/04/15 09:17 PM
1

Okay, but that's participate as hackers. Are there no women who can do support and IT in their community? Or is this actually their preference?
/r/TheRedPill14/04/15 09:02 PM
1

That's a nice claim, but you offer zero to back it up. I think there are very few fields that women are legitimately as capable as the best men in the field. But I do agree that even when the skill is there, the inclination is not.
/r/TheRedPill14/04/15 07:07 PM
1

So why weren't women doing the support?
/r/TheRedPill14/04/15 07:06 PM
1

Covered in far more breadth, depth, and detail in Rollo's "Rational Male" blog. He has a LOT of information about RP in an LTR.
/r/TheRedPill13/04/15 09:00 PM
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It's like an entrenched religious or political belief system. Argument almost never budges it. And by almost, I mean the chances are vanishingly small. That said, when your BP buddy gets the next nasty surprise, gets betrayed in the usual ways, that is the only time most beta men will be receptive to looking at all, and still, that won't change many of them. As human beings, we seem to have a strong penchant for accepting lies. There was actually a scientific article on how we are wired to accep…
/r/TheRedPill13/04/15 07:39 PM
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Automatically thinking that defending against this position means "slave to sex" is a gross error in thinking. Some of us MAKE the sex fantastic, every time. It takes skill to make that apparently-coquettish girl show you her slut side unashamedly, but unless you want sex to be "not that good", it's worth the rather trivial effort. As the guy, you can do this. Yes, there are those very few truly cold fish who respond to nothing, but in my experience, they are pretty obvious beforehand.
/r/TheRedPill13/04/15 05:30 PM
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Generally good, but there's some subtle, but crucial, RP things I don't think you have right. This is the one that stands out: the female sexual strategy, Alpha Fucks-Beta Bucks (AF/BB) [the foundation of this article], a subconscious process where the female divides men into two categories There is nothing "subconscious" about this. I seem to be a person women tell their secrets to, even on a first date. I've had women tell me "I've never not cheated in any relationship I've been in... oh, I've…
/r/TheRedPill11/04/15 02:41 PM
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Exactly. Useful as an example, utter waste of time otherwise.
/r/TheRedPill11/04/15 02:15 PM
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Awfully defensive there, oh mighty Alpha Male.
/r/TheRedPill11/04/15 02:14 PM
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He just doesn't understand frame. Lots of newbies here trying to act alpha, just making fools of themselves.
/r/TheRedPill11/04/15 02:13 PM
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No, she didn't. The actual language is all challenge-ish. Game 101? Sorry, but I don't buy it at all. Waiting for a woman to "remove herself" is about as beta as it gets. If I don't want her, she's gone.
/r/TheRedPill11/04/15 03:10 AM
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Yeah, one guy truly thinks it is a frame loss to NOT explain it all to her. Moron.
/r/TheRedPill11/04/15 03:09 AM
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It's cute you think so. Carry on.
/r/TheRedPill11/04/15 03:08 AM
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If by MRP, you mean the sub itself, then actually, after almost two years in this sub, it's the first time I've heard of it. But here, we often quote The Rational Male (blog and book). Rollo writes a lot about marriage and LTRs with RP, as he's been married for some time. As you can imagine, if we're talking about marriage itself, within the RP framework, there are a lot of strong opinions to the effect of "never get married". But there are also men here who feel strongly about starting a family…
/r/TheRedPill11/04/15 03:07 AM
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Well, I do like wine, but not people who can't spell. Besides that, it's a FR, not anything else. Shaming people for doing what this forum is for is about the most beta thing anybody can do. Step back and get a clue next time.
/r/TheRedPill10/04/15 10:49 PM
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Quit evaluating me on standard that apply to yourself. I maintained frame. I told her to educate her, but that's as much as I care to do. You have misunderstandings about frame, and I strongly suggest you read Rational Male, and listen to all of the Black Phillip show.
/r/TheRedPill10/04/15 10:48 PM
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That was the point - the person apparently had already bought the tix, but asked her out after she'd agreed to this date. Weirdly, about half the respondents thing I should fuck my own frame and talk to her. Obviously, not anybody who understands frame.
/r/TheRedPill10/04/15 10:46 PM
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Right, which is why she insisted on continuing the conversation. Think before you write.
/r/TheRedPill10/04/15 10:45 PM
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Sorry, as a man, neither you nor anybody else tells me what my "job" is. My job is to be the best I can be. Your notion of what that means I should do can stay where it came from. And no, I trained my girls, they just started from better stock. Everything you wrote is wrong.
/r/TheRedPill10/04/15 10:32 PM
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Or she can pay every other time. I love it when a plate pays for me ;-)
/r/TheRedPill10/04/15 10:09 PM
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Ah, it is one of the mainstay tenents of the alpha personality. Definitely, keep reading. Strongly suggest the Rational Male (blog and book), and everything Patrice ever did on the Black Phillip show.
/r/TheRedPill10/04/15 10:01 PM
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And you would also be a disrespectful person for doing so. Which is fine, but I hope you also got my point about how it would be granting her pussy pass power, and losing frame, to do anything else. The thing is, at this point, I can pick plates that are simply easier to deal with. Her whole attitude says she's a "high amplitude" as-predicted-by-RP woman. Cute, but not worth dealing with. I just don't have to hang with habitual shit-testers, to be honest. I have real abundance mentality, because…
/r/TheRedPill10/04/15 09:33 PM
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Yeah, some girls are all about the drama in their lives. I've actually told a plate to "stop talking" (a la Don Draper), or moved close to their ear and whispered "shhhhhhhhhhhh". If done with amused mastery, it gets smiles, kisses, and whatever else develops from that. Don't be annoyed, however - just be amused.
/r/TheRedPill10/04/15 09:30 PM
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I think you need to review everything you can on stoicism, amused mastery, and related TRP attributes. Use your failure here to analyze what TRP principles you missed on, and look those over again, formulate how you will change that. Experiment with approaching, and keep a DGAF attitude about the outcome.
/r/TheRedPill10/04/15 09:28 PM
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I like how you laid this out. A good checklist.
/r/TheRedPill10/04/15 09:16 PM
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You don't really have to, but your hair has to be somewhat appropriate for your social scene.
/r/TheRedPill10/04/15 09:15 PM
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I woudn't say "still" - rather, TRP is giving them exactly what they need and most likely aren't getting elsewhere. It shows you how to give them the tingles they need. You can give this to them while maintaining frame, and everybody wins.
/r/TheRedPill10/04/15 04:43 PM
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As a fairly new RPer, first off: welcome. There are alternatives. The whole dating game is just that, and it isn't really designed to benefit men. So... don't play it. I almost never "go on a date" with someone until we have a sexual relationship (i.e. she is a plate). I will meet and talk, but I'm not there to impress her, nor am I there to buy her free stuff. I'm there to see if I'm interested in the person. They may have some other agenda, but that's just more of what I want to find out about…
/r/TheRedPill10/04/15 04:40 PM
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It won't. Expecting anything outside of yourself to make you happy in any but the most transient way, is a moral error. As so many have stated, find what you most are interested in personally - i.e. just yourself, not relationship-based. Find one or more, and get into it. Find what you want to master, and make it something not at all easy to do. Then go about doing it. Happiness is what you get while en route to goals, and through mastering skills and overcoming obstacles using those skills. Ach…
/r/TheRedPill10/04/15 04:32 PM
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You sound very oneitis-y. The answer to your anguish is abundance.
/r/TheRedPill10/04/15 04:27 PM
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Sadly, you've found that even the most alpha guy is going be unable to supply those tingles when they get sick, lose their job (although not having a job never stopped a real alpha, as any girl with a "musician" boyfriend can tell you). The fact is, you have to show no weakness, maintain absolute frame, and truly NGAF if you have to next a plate. If you aren't already of this mindset, it usually takes a real case of betrayal to finally convince one that it is the only way. So here's how you have…
/r/TheRedPill10/04/15 04:26 PM
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I have to challenge the very basic premise that girls don't like porn. I've yet to meet one that doesn't. The very "girly" ones will act like they don't. The porn most girls I've known like: gay porn, lesbian porn. And the lesbian porn they watch isn't likely to be the same ones guys like. I had this conversation just yesterday with a plate, about what type of porn we each watch. And I've this conversation a dozen times with girls in the last year. None have said they dislike porn. They usually …
/r/TheRedPill10/04/15 03:33 PM
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I've found that, generally, attractive feminists are pretty easy to knock down with RP stuff. They really eat it up. Don't discuss it with them, however. Just do it.
/r/TheRedPill10/04/15 01:35 AM
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Right - the only self-sufficient higher SMV ladies I've known were "ugly ducklings" - fat or otherwise physically unattractive until adulthood. They developed actual skills, abilities to deal with things, a real sense of humor, etc. Even when they became quite beautiful, they were fun, interesting people in their own right.
/r/TheRedPill10/04/15 12:40 AM
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You can go back to the earliest stone carvings of women, and that hip/waist/bust ratio is very exaggerated. We're talking very pre-history.
/r/TheRedPill09/04/15 11:12 PM
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Wow, as an older guy, I'm constantly giving the "look, don't listen" advice. And that's for all people - I dgaf what I'm told about anybody, especially when the person talks about themselves. I watch what they do, and that is my only method of evaluating them and their intentions.
/r/TheRedPill09/04/15 11:11 PM
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This is very true. A woman knows that to get that alpha, she's gonna have to fuck him, and fuck him well, and even then there's a fine chance he'll next her right afterwards. She's damned if she does, and damned if she doesn't. Like people who will forever waste money on lottery tickets, she's always sure the next AF will be the one she "charms". A real alpha is, as you said, not going to be disrespected. I have told women on a first date that they are disrespectful, ensured they were mortified,…
/r/TheRedPill09/04/15 11:09 PM
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Kudos for "hamspreading". I'm still chuckling.
/r/TheRedPill09/04/15 11:05 PM
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Either she's not so fat, or you have a really big desk...
/r/TheRedPill09/04/15 11:04 PM
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The whole "body image" thing, "fat is beautiful", etc., appeals mainly to fat women, friends of fat women, and those few men who actually have a fat fetish. Another hypocrisy point: any attention from a low SMV guy is creepy. Any attention from a high SMV guy is flirty and attractive. So, feminauts, that neckbeard with the greasy hair and floor-length overcoat? You must grant him the same pleasure at his attention you'd give to, say, Hugh Jackman. Otherwise, you are an awful, terrible person who…
/r/TheRedPill09/04/15 11:02 PM
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It just gets easier. Frankly, it's frame, and that's something we all strive to maintain better and better.
/r/TheRedPill09/04/15 10:42 PM
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I think the fit-for-life crowd doesn't have this liability. It's a much healthier method. Could not find "cyckung" anywhere. Did you mean "cycling"?
/r/TheRedPill09/04/15 10:39 PM
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I'm guessing your observations are different precisely because you are female. The kind of crazy these lifting girls have is seen more in their personal lives, as relates to men. They are not going to show you the same crazy they show us. It isn't just a location thing - my point is not that Ozzies are crazy to Americans, but that women I know, regardless of origin, who are seriously into lifting are all incredibly damaged. This doesn't mean they don't function in society, but they certainly don…
/r/TheRedPill09/04/15 03:35 PM
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And yet, they always believe they are loyal, and have integrity. And with the sort of thinking that passes for "logic" and "truth" that they use, they actually do. The ability to accept their own cognitive dissonance is extreme, and if looked at coldly and impartially, just as a psychological evaluation on its own merits, would be considered pathological if not actually psychotic.
/r/TheRedPill09/04/15 03:19 PM
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Lol, fine. It's the internet - so you can troll and not pay any attention to the actual discussion. You made your point, poorly expressed and unconvincing as it is. Because you can be a 300lb fat fuck who lifts, and you and I both know we've seen it. Doesn't make you desirable. So, maybe you can connect some of those brain cells and actually look at the fact your way is absolutely not the only way: Source: 3 -5 plates at any given time. One is here now, still sleeping it off. I know I'm the priz…
/r/TheRedPill09/04/15 03:15 PM
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Yup. In my early days, I used basically a DGAF attitude, negging, and shit-test handling in a "test to destruction" of one plate. I kept upping how much I was an asshole to her, well beyond anything like a comfort zone for me. I was doing and saying things that made me certain I was going to get a horrifically bad response. But I didn't. Interest kept going UP, insistence on seeing me kept getting more intense from her. I was being the exact type of alpha asshole who seemed to get those girls, b…
/r/TheRedPill09/04/15 01:53 AM
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No comment on the contents, but thank you so much for writing this.
/r/TheRedPill09/04/15 01:25 AM
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I think you may be referring to some PUA stuff that is only sort of tangentially RP. And just like any body of knowledge, you can decide the morals of its use for yourself. I have not found any deception to be necessary to have all the plates I want, and I do it even by ensuring they know I actively see/have relationships with/date others. There are many styles of how people express their RP understandings, and it probably says much more about the person wielding the knowledge than about RP itse…
/r/TheRedPill09/04/15 01:13 AM
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These are consistent with my own experiences. That first kiss is often something like, "you need to kiss me now" (I say that to them). Huge smiles and soft lips ensue. But hey, timing is everything, and just about anything you can say can be put into a frame (delivery style) where it works.
/r/TheRedPill09/04/15 01:10 AM
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I think you stated one of the HUGEST mistakes even some RP men make with women: Expecting them to have values or behavior similar to men, resulting in outcome expectations that aren't realistic. They are their own thing, and RP has more truth about their actual behavior than any other behavioral models I've heard of. Understanding it and setting expectations to exactly those truths will result in automatic amused mastery at their antics.
/r/TheRedPill09/04/15 01:08 AM
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To paraphrase Ted Sturgeon, 90% of anything is crap.
/r/TheRedPill09/04/15 01:00 AM
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I think there's more to this. I think women in our society are told they should be self-sufficient, but that's lip service. In reality, most are incredibly incompetent to carry out day-to-day tasks, like doing necessary paperwork, fixing something barely broken, etc. The overreaction is possibly contributed to by the fact they really CAN'T handle the situation - even a trivial one - and this is how anybody will "help" them.
/r/TheRedPill09/04/15 12:59 AM
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I feel you are completely spot on here. Not only do they obviously use extreme emotion to control people or get something, that gets mixed with the general pussy-pass lack of responsibility allowed them by the so-called "patriarchy". Oh yeah, and don't forget the complete mental inability to see the hypocrisy of their own "arguments" against these points.
/r/TheRedPill09/04/15 12:55 AM
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You can trust women, but what you can trust from them is this: Hypergamy Lack of accountability It's corollory: Blaming almost anything and anyone than themselves when they are even obviously and clearly in the wrong about any kind of behavior. Inability to use logic when resolving a dispute. And the wider phenomenon: Hamstering to justify any of the above. I've chosen my words carefully. When I wrote "Inability", I mean you can count on it as much as you can count on a rock not having the abili…
/r/TheRedPill09/04/15 12:52 AM
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You don't have to listen to anything you don't want to. So, you think 15 solid years (and running) of active martial arts leaves one "an empty husk"? Lifting is just one thing, one way. Expand your mind and options, or don't. That's your choice.
/r/TheRedPill08/04/15 04:16 PM
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You don't sound "idiotic", but you do sound like you may not have a grasp on some the TRP fundamentals about women, and as this is that sub... I respect your observations. Mine are quite different. This could also be a difference in culture by area. I'm in Southern California, where people are much more obsessed with fitness and looks than many other areas, and with weather that allows one to show it off all year 'round, it just might be that we simply get more "crazies" due to the generally hig…
/r/TheRedPill08/04/15 04:13 PM
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Yup. He's a known quantity, and again, like I said, they might have that arrangement.
/r/TheRedPill07/04/15 06:02 PM
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Don't fret, it's a circle-jerk that reappears here regularly.
/r/TheRedPill07/04/15 06:01 PM
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Spoken like somebody who doesn't know a damned thing. Apparently others agree. Take the shaming elsewhere. It has no place here.
/r/TheRedPill07/04/15 06:00 PM
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There ya go. It's the principle. People get hung up on pre-canned "solutions".
/r/TheRedPill07/04/15 05:57 PM
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Apparently he did know, since he deleted it.
/r/TheRedPill07/04/15 05:56 PM
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Mmmm no. I know a few young women very serious about lifting. They happen to be batshit crazy (and I mean nearly clinically so), heavily medicated for it, and in depression/elation mood swings constantly - as in day to day. I don't think lifting does anything positive for a woman's personality or "daftness". Frankly, saying so seems to imply you don't really have the understandings of how and why women are, because lifting has zero to do with those things.
/r/TheRedPill07/04/15 05:56 PM
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After a breakup, sounds like you were depressed. Exercise might help, but depression is complex, and any "just do this" solution is bullshit.
/r/TheRedPill07/04/15 05:52 PM
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Yeah, OP's one-size-fits-all version of RP shows poor understanding.
/r/TheRedPill07/04/15 05:51 PM
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Yup. RP is now apparently the property of OP. Well, he's got the dickwad part of it right.
/r/TheRedPill07/04/15 05:51 PM
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Obviously they already had this kind of arrangement. For all you know, it's how she pays for the drugs, but whether that's true or not, you walked into an existing, easy scene (for her). Might be more convenience than hypergamy.
/r/TheRedPill07/04/15 05:38 PM
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I've found slutty chicks can't tolerate rejection.
/r/TheRedPill07/04/15 05:36 PM
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If, as you say, she "fucked guys who were lower than me but turned me down", then you are looking at her self-esteem. If you had higher SMV, and she was otherwise slutty, then she knew she didn't "deserve" you. FFS, that's why she'd fuck the retarded guy - safe, no chance he'd reject HER for her ways. A higher quality guy might, and she clearly couldn't tolerate the rejection. It was a preemptive strike, brother.
/r/TheRedPill07/04/15 05:26 PM
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Look, tell her you know she's trying to steal the notes, that she's a terrible person (she is), and that you don't want her contacting you or talking with you again. And mean it. This is getting a bit perverse, if you keep stringing her along. Seems like you have a sense of ethical behavior. Leverage that.
/r/TheRedPill07/04/15 04:49 PM
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Sorry, but almost all of that was just saying "fuck them and they'll listen", which was my point. Report AFTER you have success with ones you aren't in a relationship. I think we have plenty of reports of "fucking the feminism out of her" by now.
/r/TheRedPill04/04/15 10:37 PM
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Honestly, I think the advice is misplaced, because you have a different situation to most TRP men running into militant feminists. Namely, you are in a romantic relationship with her, and thus she is going to provide you a more sympathetic ear. I'd strongly suggest you pick a classmate of hers who is "on board" with all the stuff in that class, and try this, then report again.
/r/TheRedPill04/04/15 12:02 AM
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So, basically, you are wondering at the lack of logic and consistency in a woman? Strongly suggest listening to Black Phillip, reading Rollo (The Rational Male), and then telling US what you conclude.
/r/TheRedPill02/04/15 11:09 PM
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I run into the don't-ask/don't-tell attitude, which I find immature, or at best disingenuous, in somebody who professes a poly lifestyle. Fully confronting the lifestyle is important, otherwise you simply put up a wall that impedes the honesty necessary to such relationships. It's a built-in failure mechanism. The very best relationships have been with those totally open about it. As for info, there's one book that I think provides the best overview, case studies, and factual information, called…
/r/TheRedPill02/04/15 07:42 PM
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Interesting that this is seen as negative. I think the newbies do need more posts that let them know the lay of the land, since with so many, fewer are obviously reading the sidebar, or understand the culture here.
/r/TheRedPill02/04/15 07:37 PM
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Thanks. I've decided to report all incidents of RP shaming I find here. If anybody thinks that's contribution, they are in the wrong sub. Thanks again.
/r/TheRedPill02/04/15 05:10 PM
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Ah, I didn't say how it actually occurred. I only okayed one of them to do it. They both also have plans to change the landscaping, and I doubt they'd get along on that. Besides, one has been with me for 5 months (the one I okayed) and the other is fairly new. Hasn't earned it yet ;-) The newbie also knows I specifically gave the yard to the other partner. I have often introduced my partners to one another, because I think that's healthier than whatever they might imagine. But honestly, I've not…
/r/TheRedPill02/04/15 05:09 PM
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It's really a whole spectrum of things. Body language, facial expressions, abundance mindset, honestly seeing self as the prize. And then there's the more sexual/romantic part.
/r/TheRedPill02/04/15 04:56 PM
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“Watch your thoughts, they become words; Give credit where it is due. The earliest publication of that is from 1977, in a Texas newspaper (and yeah, the guy's name is dumb, but he was a Texan and successful biz guy): “Watch your thoughts, they become words; watch your words, they become actions; watch your actions, they become habits; watch your habits, they become character; watch your character, for it becomes your destiny.” FRANK OUTLAW Late President of the Bi-Lo Stores There may be even ear…
/r/TheRedPill01/04/15 09:06 PM
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Great story, total win-win (but not for B, but he's never gonna really win like that). The hot wingman thing is cool. Yesterday, a new plate and I sealed the deal. Afterwards, she mentioned how cool it would be if she could be my wingman to pick up girls. Possibilities abound...
/r/TheRedPill01/04/15 09:02 PM
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Nice stuff, and great insights. I have my own examples of her wisdom in practice: Re (1): I recently started up a new plate, and she looooooves to talk. About almost any inane thing. I've already stopped it a few times, whispering in her ear, "shhhhh", and then kissing her. This gets a very good reaction. In fact, the next day after doing it the first time, she texted and said she'd try to talk less and listen more ;-) On (2): I now have two plates who want to do chores around here. Both are int…
/r/TheRedPill01/04/15 08:33 PM
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It should have been obvious, but since feminists are directly opposed to almost EVERYTHING said truthfully about TRP, and fear the truths it exposes, giving an example of how to "tip the cow" on their argument is, in fact, instructive.
/r/TheRedPill01/04/15 08:17 PM
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Meh. It's a troll. Downvoting your clear and reasonable explanation shows that.
/r/TheRedPill01/04/15 08:16 PM
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See other posts in here - he clarified that and explained how she HAD already admitted that.
/r/TheRedPill01/04/15 08:15 PM
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Patrice really handed out some wisdom. But I'll add that you sometimes can "drag them back to the original point" over and over, only to have them immediately run off into more non-sequitur flailings. Eventually, you might just get tired of it and silence the whole thing, which can come off or frame loss or maintained, depending on how you do it.
/r/TheRedPill01/04/15 08:09 PM
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But he didn't really win an argument - he just got her to edge into the hypocrisy that she had been spouting. Just the tiniest bit of it shut her down. Normally, I'd agree about the "feelings" thing, and in fact, made a similar point in another post in this thread. But he nailed her. Sure, given another few seconds, she'd have punted with a pejorative statement about OP, but let him savor this nice win.
/r/TheRedPill01/04/15 08:07 PM
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Logic isn't any more their strong point than it is for a Tea Party representative. They run on loudness, emotion, and shame. Logic and rationality are rarely effective, so extra kudos for actually getting her to even partially engage with the hypocrisy of her viewpoint.
/r/TheRedPill01/04/15 08:04 PM
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Seriously man - take the shaming elsewhere. Comments like this are not appreciated here. Read recent mod statements about it, and get in line.
/r/TheRedPill01/04/15 07:18 PM
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Really? Because the history you reference has, as the first mention regarding number of wives, non-monogamy. The Covenant Code orders men who have two wives (polygynously) to not deprive the first wife of food, of clothing, nor of sexual activity and then this: As a polygynous society, the Israelites did not have any laws which imposed marital fidelity on men. This is presented as earliest concrete examples of marriage principles regarding number of partners. China apparently didn't enforce mono…
/r/TheRedPill01/04/15 12:12 AM
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I'm also non-monogamous, and my plates know it. Constant dread game. Happened similarly last night - she's over, not so interested in sex then. Mentioned I had a date tomorrow (which is now tonight). She woke me up at just before 6am, in what could only amount to a full-charge (but consensual) sexual assault by her. I think she was marking territory...
/r/TheRedPill31/03/15 08:05 PM
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Take the L - one of the best pieces of advice from Patrice. You actually have to be willing and ready to next, and that has to be sufficiently obvious.
/r/TheRedPill31/03/15 08:03 PM
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I don't know about the "marriage laws occurred simultaneously across the planet". There are elaborately carved obelisks 10,000 years old, so people have been organized beyond the call of mere survival since at least somewhat earlier than that. I don't think we have the record keeping to know when such laws originated, only when they were recorded. Do you have any information to back that up? Also, the "seven year itch" was not originally coined as a female phenomenon - it was a male thing. In fa…
/r/TheRedPill31/03/15 05:55 PM
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Interesting observation, and one that seems to track with my own experience. "Not showing weakness" in my world means absolute frame integrity, and not allowing yourself to conform to her frame at all. This doesn't negate handling comfort tests, but you still have to make it about her fitting into your frame.
/r/TheRedPill31/03/15 04:08 AM
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I think the observation is good, but the theory is backwards. Men were more alpha, as they didn't have the pervasive feminist agenda messages being shoved at them since pre-birth. Men were expected to be the head of household. It wasn't true, however, that men were all leaders, and especially as the industrial revolution created the "worker" caste, this kind of routine subjugation became more and more common. But the man ruled the home, unless he was somewhat pathologically weak. I think the "ma…
/r/TheRedPill31/03/15 01:13 AM
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Strongly suggest you get a couple plates spinning, as this sounds like a bit of scarcity mentality.
/r/TheRedPill30/03/15 09:36 PM
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It does seem to work. Text today with a plate, regarding getting Indian food: Her: So you think you're going to kiss me after eating Indian food? Me: No. I'm going to kiss you before, during, and after. Her: <several highly positive emoticons>
/r/TheRedPill30/03/15 09:35 PM
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Also, sometimes you "better" them so they are worthy to be with you. Remember: YOU are the prize.
/r/TheRedPill30/03/15 09:27 PM
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The worst alpha-shamers are always here in TRP. Grow up, read more, and try experiencing things so you won't have resentment.
/r/TheRedPill30/03/15 05:57 PM
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Okay, now you're intent on continuing what is essentially an unrelated topic to what I was talking about. Expound as you wish. Done here.
/r/TheRedPill29/03/15 04:23 AM
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Couldn't agree more. Whoever downvoted you needs to unplug.
/r/TheRedPill29/03/15 01:02 AM
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TRP is far from amoral. I've seen the very best marriages, and sane kids, come from families where the father was a natural alpha. Read Rollo (Rational Male) for another example of the long game on this. In the end, the amorality is the lies that lead men to become failures as men.
/r/TheRedPill29/03/15 01:01 AM
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Yes. And no. About 6 months into RP, I did an experiment with a girl I met online. I was utterly mean and uncaring - far beyond my comfort level. I just kept insulting her (but with just enough "sparkle in my eyes" that it could be plausibly deniable as just kidding. But I just knocked down anything she said, missed dates, talk about other people I'd been seeing, etc. She ate it up. So much beyond anything I'd expected. I was getting to the point where I didn't think I could actually keep this g…
/r/TheRedPill29/03/15 12:58 AM
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Please, we aren't talking about that situation. You pulled in skyscrapers to explain dollhouses. We're talking about so-called "harem" situations, not situations in which whole populations of one sex have been reduced or decimated. Seriously, let's challenge this. Give me specifics - what wars, and what was the specific sexual imbalance in that society at that time? Define "surplus of men". Also, your definition of "war" is mostly inaccurate in anything close to modern times. Yes, there are grou…
/r/TheRedPill29/03/15 12:12 AM
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Just about no woman actually wants the full feminist agenda. They cherry-pick what they want, give it lip service, and do what they really have always done, just now, there is less "social" shame. I suspect, as with the example "feminist", there is actual shame, but they hamster it away.
/r/TheRedPill28/03/15 11:13 PM
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So, it is a use, or it is similar. It can't really be both - a valid use means it is negging. Semantics, yes. Which is another way of just saying "that's what the language actually means".
/r/TheRedPill28/03/15 11:10 PM
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A problem? I think that's nonsense. Those people wouldn't get those girls in any case. Also, who's to say those girls see only the one guy?
/r/TheRedPill28/03/15 11:09 PM
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I disagree that "no one says it's a bad thing". Look at the original comment by u/down_with_whomever, where he says: Women's attraction to high value men naturally creates a tendency towards harem behaviors without any rules in check to prevent this. And, as I siad, it being bad "seems implied" - that is, I also didn't say it was bad, but the language implies that having rules to check the behavior is a good thing. It's a slight implication due to the wording used. You see what I mean, there? I'…
/r/TheRedPill28/03/15 05:28 PM
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Right, but it rarely is the straight up insulting of the target. It is best played with confidence, mastery, and insouciance.
/r/TheRedPill28/03/15 05:18 PM
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That graphical idea is hilarious! Eventually, you take a picture of the room. It analyzes men and women for physical SMV. Shows which men (or women) one's date would be interested in. Of course, one could point it at oneself and be very disappointed by the SMV it gives one...
/r/TheRedPill28/03/15 05:17 PM
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Yeah, I do have the chops for that (I work with mathematical models and simulations). Hmmm.
/r/TheRedPill28/03/15 05:16 PM
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That's a fascinating idea, particularly the first order logic. But then, many attempts have been made to quantify behavior for prediction, and nobody can claim any formula as incontrovertible as, for example, the law of gravity, have ever come from such quantification. At best, you get a statistical distribution of possibilities resulting from the inputs. But still...
/r/TheRedPill28/03/15 01:01 AM
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No, it does not. Not at all. Read up on the many subtleties of it. In fact, there have been articles about it that have examples almost identical to the ones written here.
/r/TheRedPill28/03/15 12:03 AM
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You'll find that when serving their hypergamy, lies are told with great facility, and unflinchingly right to your face, eye to eye. Glad you fixed the oneitis, and the best remedy is abundance. Oh, and the hamstering if you dare to call them out on it...
/r/TheRedPill27/03/15 11:59 PM
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Isn't this the same as "negging" - an established PUA technique?
/r/TheRedPill27/03/15 11:29 PM
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Exactly. There's a few I basically see like once or twice a year, as a catch up, because they actually have interesting lives. But we don't share that much between such times. We aren't really "friends", so much as just interested a bit in what each other does.
/r/TheRedPill27/03/15 08:43 PM
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Yeah, this struck me as well. It's weird she thinks he can't or won't. BFFs break up, too.
/r/TheRedPill27/03/15 08:41 PM
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Yeah. Another common use for orbiters is as an emotions tampon. If you find a woman is starting to dump her emotional problems on you, you are being considered more of an orbiter/BB than AF. No (reasonably normal) woman will dump on the guy she sees as an AF. I did once have a true crazy as a plate. She was all about her emotional needs. Three dates, three great sex nights, but with a ton of all her "problems" (for which I'd mostly just "uh huh"), but nexted her hard after that as she was alread…
/r/TheRedPill27/03/15 08:40 PM
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It's more complex. You can have m>f, but somebody with a higher "m" value is still a candidate, and it effectively skews the set of three equations, so that m>f can become, with no change on either part other than the introduction of a possible higher-value male, m=f or even m<f, in the hamstery computer of her mind. So really it's: (m-X) <operator> f where "X" is her current assessment of the higher value of alternatives. I think that works out mathematically - if possible alternatives, X, are …
/r/TheRedPill27/03/15 08:09 PM
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Why are "harem behaviors" inherently a bad thing (as seems implied)? There are peaceful societies in which this is allowed. In fact, saying "religious expectations enforced the rules of monogamy" is grossly incorrect. Judeo-Christian religion has typically done so, but others have allowed such behavior, including some things arguably in the J-C spectrum, such as classical Mormonism (and even present-day, particularly in Mexico). Obviously some forms of the Muslim religion allow this. Be careful …
/r/TheRedPill27/03/15 08:03 PM
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A fine post. I think the crux is the actual words "All Women Are Like That". "Like" indicates a recognizable similarity, not equality or identification. It inherently allows for spectra in any category included in being "like THAT". It just serves the uneducated masses to use something like a soundbite in place of actually reading about it. They can seem knowledgeable that way, to others who are equally ignorant.
/r/TheRedPill27/03/15 07:58 PM
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It'll be slightly glorious to testify about her college history - to get HER to HAVE TO admit it, in public, in a courtroom.
/r/TheRedPill23/03/15 08:47 PM
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I've actually almost said that, and luckily managed not to.
/r/TheRedPill23/03/15 08:35 PM
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I actually say, "good girl". You wouldn't believe the beaming smiles it gets.
/r/TheRedPill18/03/15 07:17 PM
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It's a bit different when in an LTR. For some really good observations from a guy who knows, check out Rollo's "Rational Male" blog (and books). He's married, and writes quite a bit about the RP game in a more serious relationship, as this sounds more like that than "pickup" game.
/r/TheRedPill18/03/15 07:15 PM
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We are in a feminist, SJW "bubble", which will burst from the weight of its own impracticality. Just keep watching.
/r/TheRedPill18/03/15 05:10 PM
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Have you read much of Rollo's work (the Rational Male blog and book(s))? He's in a LTR, married, and has a lot of practical advice about making that work.
/r/TheRedPill16/03/15 04:08 PM
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Yes, this. It is the only way, and it can seem cruel to yourself and to her, but it really is the way to the fastest recovery.
/r/TheRedPill16/03/15 04:07 PM
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It's very true. Showing weakness kills tingles, and tingles (and hypergamy) are just about all that is driving her in the relationship. She'll hamster pathologically about how the loss is your fault, and to some degree, she's right. But not in the way she thinks. I'm not sure it's possible to keep the level of tingles on high for many years, but I've seen what appear to be such relationships. But the change from "she's totally in love", to "she thinks your disgusting" can be as simple as an illn…
/r/TheRedPill16/03/15 04:05 PM
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Here's the psychological translation: "I can't stand being around him because he reminds me I'm a much worse person than I want to think I am." Women KNOW about their hypergamous nature, their dual sexual strategy (AF/BB), but their solipsism prevents them from understanding this in terms other than their own personal desires. Basically, they figure you will either "get them" and understand how what they are doing is absolutely right (i.e. what they are fed by their beta orbiters, SJWs, and misg…
/r/TheRedPill16/03/15 03:32 PM
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No, my friend. Do not undo your good growth with that "until proven otherwise" sentence. There is no "until proven otherwise". Wipe that completely and totally from your mind. The first "A" in "AWALT" is all-inclusive. The degree to which any particular woman will actually act out her RP impulses varies with a lot of hard-to-define factors from upbringing to evolutionary biology, but they all have these RP traits, and each of them will at least act these out in the one "safe" place - their mind.…
/r/TheRedPill16/03/15 03:25 PM
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They come from an age of severe sexual repression.
/r/TheRedPill16/03/15 02:37 PM
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If you mean "logic as people normally practice it", then yes, but "logic", especially when used by the scientifically trained, is a mathematical process that is anything BUT subjective. It is as objective as the commutative law of addition. But of course, the data and premises one uses in the objective process of logic may not be so objective. Using the best available facts, and logic as a mathematics, there is nothing objective.
/r/AlreadyRed13/03/15 01:04 AM
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I agree, and pretty much came to the same conclusions, although anger is not so much my issue. I've found displays of emotion reduce frame.
/r/AlreadyRed13/03/15 01:01 AM
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They can't actually control it, but they can control and guide expressing it. That totally monogamous church-goer IS going to flirt with the cute bag boy at the super market. She may never go further, but it's hypergamy driving it. Your comment about not being rare exceptions made no sense. I mean literally, "they" could equally mean women, or exceptions to this rule, or exceptions generally. And "difficult" has enough overloaded meanings to not help disambiguate. Care to rephrase?
/r/TheRedPill12/03/15 11:54 PM
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Yup - beta behavior breeds TRP women. Although not always literally...
/r/TheRedPill12/03/15 11:51 PM
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Your value judgement is pointless, as it comes from today's perspective. Women were also raised to believe that was their finest calling. Many desperately wanted children. They also wanted a good provider. Hardly a sacrifice. And as you offer nothing in rebuttal but your feels about it, I'll accept the point as made.
/r/TheRedPill12/03/15 07:35 PM
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I respect artistry of all kinds, and a number of other traits, irrespective of gender, because gender has nothing to do with those areas. But also, this is your straw man, as I said nothing about respect. So if you want to join the conversation in an on-topic way... Or perhaps this is really something you could start a different conversation on, in its own post?
/r/TheRedPill12/03/15 07:19 PM
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And I was married for over two decades, monogamously and faithfully on both parts, so I have seen apparently hypergamy control. OTOH, she was subservient, raised in the countryside in Europe, and despite a short round of partying as a young adult (college age), not promiscuous or a slut. I would guess anybody married to your unicorn would experience a dead bedroom pretty quickly after marriage. Also, we talk here about the preponderances on the bell curve. We all know there are rare exceptions, …
/r/TheRedPill12/03/15 07:15 PM
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Let me show you the error of your ways, using only your "perfect example", since if it's perfect, disproving it disproves your premise. Before medicine, a woman who would not have children was not marriageable. To remain in the status of marriage, she needed children. She had them because she had to. She never wanted to sacrifice anything. By definition, sacrifice is knowing and willing, otherwise it is theft or something else by which the person is diminished. This is not willing - it is requir…
/r/TheRedPill12/03/15 07:12 PM
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It's odd. I love my brothers, but I don't like them. I would and have gone way out of my way for them. And I've never in my life received anything helpful from them. So they've never been part of that "need" equation. But I've even gone so far as to have one brother and his two kids live with me when they hit financial hardship. For 4 full years (ended some time ago). I don't think need and love are the same at all. They sometimes need my help, and my own feelings about family are the only reaso…
/r/TheRedPill12/03/15 07:05 PM
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http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divorce_in_the_United_States#Initiation There's a claim of a CDC study that says 80% of women initiate. It is different, state to state, and this is a US statistic. And others claim the number one reason: they've met somebody else (branch-swinging, hypergamy).
/r/TheRedPill12/03/15 07:02 PM
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Okay, so there's a few things fundamental to RP you either don't know, or aren't thinking with. We talk about the preponderance of behavior in people, not about extreme outliers. Generalizations are necessary and good. No one woman is going to exactly display the same actions as another woman when she acts out her solipsism, hypergamy, etc. Your idea of a "better" alternative may not be theirs. I know women who fight to stay in relationships in which the guy is absolutely abusive toward her. In …
/r/TheRedPill12/03/15 06:57 PM
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Exactly. Those few exceptions are generally very traditional in structure on all sides.
/r/TheRedPill12/03/15 06:51 PM
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If a woman could materially benefit a man, she'd BE the man. It's a failure of frame, if she can do that (and remember, I said "materially"). It means he needs her after all.
/r/TheRedPill12/03/15 06:51 PM
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But still, true. As a BP man, I was utterly unaware that I even had any SMV. I assumed ALL such value was woman's. It wasn't until I got divorced, starting dating, became ethically non-monogamous, and then discovered TRP, that I started to realize my own SMV. And frankly, it was probably higher now than then for many reasons. But still, I was fit, funny, made great money in a career, etc. I have come to realize that, while they (the "I love you" girls) were good looking, they were far below my l…
/r/TheRedPill12/03/15 06:49 PM
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Perhaps it is the area in which I live, since I have often dated single parents. In southern California, the areas of Santa Monica and Culver City have, by survey, the largest number of women who cheat on their husbands. And, by extension, there are a huge number of separated/divorced women parenting or co-parenting children in those cities. I've dated a few. In no case have I seen anything that I could call wanting to take care of their children. And I mean that literally - I've never seen or h…
/r/TheRedPill12/03/15 06:44 PM
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I did this the other day. Plate says, "I have feelings for you". I answered exactly as you do.
/r/TheRedPill12/03/15 06:38 PM
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And many of those tales were immortalized by the Grimm brothers. But the romantic aspect of those fairy tales is a recent addition. Go find an unabridged copy of any original Grimm's, and prepare to be a bit horrified. Many tales end up in the death or maiming of the person or people on the wrong end of those morality tales (often children and women, or stupid men, which tells you something about how stupid men were viewed). You won't find a single original tale of this sort, in which women are …
/r/TheRedPill12/03/15 06:38 PM
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I've had women on more than one occasion tell me they love me after just one or two dates. You are correct - they basically mean "so far, you have entertained me."
/r/TheRedPill12/03/15 06:34 PM
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Honestly, the one thing I've found that women respect a man for is a really good fucking. I wish I were at all being facetious about this, but I'm being as starkly literal as I can.
/r/TheRedPill12/03/15 06:33 PM
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Just remember: That poor, poor man, who marries her. You know what he's going to get.
/r/TheRedPill12/03/15 06:31 PM
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This is typical. Many LTRs die at the point the man gets an injury and is forced to display anything less than robust, healthy action. The tingles are utterly killed, and it's not at all easy to fully get them back. The much vaunted nursing/caring reputation women have cultivated is about 90% fantasy.
/r/TheRedPill12/03/15 06:30 PM
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Definitely. I can't count the number of times a woman has told me about something personal/relationship-ish she intends to be/do in the near future. None have ever followed through. Now, when a woman tells me anything about even the near future, I always have a backup for when she flakes. The old "I'm a woman, I can change my mind." My answer: you can, but I'll be going out, as planned.
/r/TheRedPill12/03/15 06:27 PM
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Yeah - she has to fit into YOUR frame, not the other way around.
/r/TheRedPill12/03/15 06:24 PM
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Spot on. In my pre-RP days, it was all about being the protector. I would go out of my way to find methods to "help" that really were just enablings. I showed off my provider prowess. I still do the latter, but those prowess are never actually offered for their sole benefit. And now, as an openly non-monogamistic male, I no longer put effort into "helping" them beyond what is convenient and interesting for me. And I am mindful that this never get so far as to give the impression I would be their…
/r/TheRedPill12/03/15 06:23 PM
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Two famous RP contributors to look into on this one: Rollo /The Rational Male - he's in a LTR, married, and writes about how RP fits into and works in a monogamous LTR. Patrice / Black Phillip Show. He talks a lot about how to maintain a relationship. Also, crude and funny as hell.
/r/TheRedPill12/03/15 06:19 PM
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You're exactly right, and I adopted a non-monogamistic lifestyle a bit before discovering TRP. Everybody I date knows that up front. My adult life as a BP-er taught me the sacrifice has exactly no remuneration that I can't get without the sacrifice. That doesn't mean there aren't internal struggles with oneitis and other BP behaviors, but these no longer externalize at all. I recognize them when they are nascent, and have a little discussion with myself to put them back into their place.
/r/TheRedPill12/03/15 06:18 PM
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Yeah, you haven't read or understood most RP stuff. Men die protecting their women. Women never reciprocate. Not sure how much more sacrificial you want a guy to be.
/r/TheRedPill12/03/15 06:14 PM
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That's exactly what they need you for. I think that's what is meant.
/r/TheRedPill12/03/15 06:13 PM
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And this is exactly the attitude you must adopt when nexting. They cease to have any meaning. They WILL try almost everything to get you to give them meaning. Don't fail that final shit-test.
/r/TheRedPill12/03/15 06:13 PM
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Believe it if you want, but most of the posts about this don't support that viewpoint. I think it's safe to say most of us experienced solipsism, varying and unpredictable degrees of "care", or other aspects of the same RP traits we oft discuss.
/r/TheRedPill12/03/15 06:12 PM
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She's an outlier, and you are fortunate indeed!
/r/TheRedPill12/03/15 06:09 PM
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As an adult, I made peace with my mom, and now we're actually friends. A plate was over (still) in the morning a couple days ago, and my mom called. I chatted animatedly for 10 minutes. She had some good jokes, and generally positive stuff. But as a kid, she was not much of a parent - not bad, but not good either. Just sort of coasting, doing her own solipsistic thing, parenting in a minimal way. She's still utterly solipsistic, but as an independent male, I understand that. And, she's getting r…
/r/TheRedPill12/03/15 06:08 PM
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The single dad's I know are very, very concerned about their children's education, well-being, and success. The women I know (and sometimes have dated) with kids are visibly concerned with how others will think of how they raise their kids, a completely different and far more solipsistic rationale. But perhaps this, too, is more evolutionary programming, and perhaps why we get the false idea that women are necessarily better single parents than men - they "compete" with other women on the kid th…
/r/TheRedPill12/03/15 06:03 PM
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Lol, no. Women do not feel or experience love like a man does. I strongly suggest you search Rollo's blog (The Rational Male) about this, as he does an excellent job of making this very real.
/r/TheRedPill12/03/15 06:00 PM
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That made me smile. I dated one who called herself a "logic-based organism". PhD in a medical field, actively worked as professor and researcher at a prestigious med school. She had exactly zero ability in life to think her way out of an open paper bag. Stress shut her mind down, and she'd look at whatever man was nearby to think her out of whatever mess she'd created.
/r/TheRedPill12/03/15 05:57 PM
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Sorry, but I've dated more than a few of those "smart women". They have exactly zero control over it. They are as hypergamous as any other woman. What they are is smart about hiding it from YOU. These behaviors can't be resisted any more than, say, eating or sleeping. They can be moderated to some extent as behaviors, but not as drives.
/r/TheRedPill12/03/15 05:55 PM
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I didn't see anything in the post about blaming women for this. But yes, for the newbies - one of the things that will get you over the anger phase, is really internalizing how both evolutionary and cultural factors drive women into these behaviors. They can even be fully aware of and in agreement with US about TRP, but even the most self-aware, mindful, self-actualizing woman can't prevent those behaviors from manifesting. So, when she acts up, handle it as TRP recommends (and there's a lot to …
/r/TheRedPill12/03/15 05:54 PM
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I'm not perfect, but I'm decent-to-good looking, have a significant career, education, plenty of money in the bank, a home, ride motorcycles, write, perform, and produce music, and am a long-time martial artist. None of that is humble bragging -- I'm not even vaguely humble. But it is just true, the point being: In my BP days, I did get "locked down" a few times, but have since found non-monogamy to be the key. I enter any relationship with my non-monogamous lifestyle very well disclosed. When t…
/r/TheRedPill12/03/15 05:50 PM
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Well... but, at least in the day, how many men married their secretary? In the day, being a secretary was an excuse to meet one's future husband.
/r/TheRedPill12/03/15 05:41 PM
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Is this sidebar material? If not, it really should be. It is the rock at the center of a great many observable behaviors, like hypergamy, solipsism, etc.
/r/TheRedPill12/03/15 05:40 PM
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"Well, you see, dear, words can have more than one meaning. "Love" is a word, and it too has more than one meaning. You are not using the same meaning as I am. Let's talk about that other type of love later, okay, sweetie?" Talk to her like a child. She certainly thinks like one.
/r/TheRedPill12/03/15 05:38 PM
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It could, at least for the well-off woman (i.e. big alimony).
/r/TheRedPill12/03/15 05:36 PM
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And not one of those outliers isn't AWALT. Please remember that. Throw that outlier into any one of a number of situations in which RP would predict a particular outcome, and I suspect you're going to find her much more at the top of the bell curve. Outliers tend to hide their RP tendencies better.
/r/TheRedPill12/03/15 05:36 PM
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Yes, I recently experienced just how utterly AWALT even a so-called "RP woman" is - one who is aware of RP, has read a bit, and claims to agree, and is trying to moderate her behaviors accordingly. They can read. They can "understand" in their own solipsistic way, but never the same way you or I can understand it. And I use the word "can" very literally, as in "has the ability to". It's their disability, and it is the lens through which they see you and the world. When they think they have overc…
/r/TheRedPill12/03/15 05:34 PM
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Solid RP basis for all of that. Rollo writes a lot about the difference in male and female love.
/r/TheRedPill12/03/15 05:28 PM
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The last thing I want is to be "needed" by a woman. If I can't stir her to want me, that's the end of it. But very definitely different on what it means to love someone. Their hypergamy makes that a very different statement than when men say it.
/r/TheRedPill12/03/15 05:27 PM
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Except all of them need "mental health problems" added in. I swear, these days I can't meet a woman not on meds. Literally none in the last two years. Whether prescribed or self-medicating, it's been endemic.
/r/TheRedPill12/03/15 05:25 PM
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The 48 laws pretty much say that.
/r/TheRedPill12/03/15 05:23 PM
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Nice economics example. The grammar Nazi in me needs to point out that "disbenefit" is a noun, not a verb. There is no recognized verb form, but you could use "disenbenefit" as a verb, as it would be easily understandable (and English is very used to that, and also using nouns as verbs, but still...)
/r/TheRedPill12/03/15 05:21 PM
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If they grew up attractive, they've been told all their life they're funny, smart, beautiful, etc. Men laugh at their unfunny jokes, pick up their messes (yes, I pick up way more after a plate has been here than she does when I'm there, because I don't leave a mess every time), fix everything they break, show them how to use anything technological, and generally, keep them from developing anything like an actual personality. Collectively, we (men) and the social programming steer them very much …
/r/TheRedPill12/03/15 05:18 PM
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I've nexted my share, by I've never been nexted (i.e. dismissed utterly). Men definitely can be content without, and can act on that fact.
/r/TheRedPill12/03/15 05:10 PM
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The bubble analogy is brilliant.
/r/TheRedPill12/03/15 05:07 PM
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The main fault here is the claim that there are "strong" women. She apparently means morally or socially. I've dated these self-professed "strong" women. They are mostly divorced and with kids, convinced of their superiority, yet unemployed or in a job they hate, and their "strength" is the fragile calmness of their psych meds. I've never even met a self-styled "strong" woman who wasn't on multiple meds for anxiety and other disorders. And the moment any actual strength is required? They freeze …
/r/TheRedPill12/03/15 05:02 PM
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Flawless interpretation. The whole "we're not good enough for you thing" is so disingenuous, it'd take some extreme naivete to even consider it true. In every case, gentlemen. In every case. AWALT.
/r/TheRedPill12/03/15 04:54 PM
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Yeah, I believe in "fuck yes" consent as the only kind I go with.
/r/TheRedPill11/03/15 09:11 PM
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The moment one chases much, one is betraying abundance mentality. I recently "met" a very gorgeous (7.5) girl online. She was immediately interested in meeting, and we exchanged phone numbers and some text messages. But she said a few things that made it clear she expected to be "chased", and I dropped her like burrito full of spiders. She's still checking my profile every day, trying passively to remind me she's there. I'm just not playing that anymore.
/r/TheRedPill11/03/15 09:10 PM
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Sorry, no further interest in back-peddling comments. Own what you said, because the apologies aren't lining up with it. But, that's as much as I care to appease you. Really, don't care.
/r/TheRedPill11/03/15 08:54 PM
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Making money is about motivation, opportunity, and skills, basically. Yes, there are great jobs that just pay a lot, but you generally have to be really, really good at something and have sufficient social skills to be hired. Frankly, I find job-getting skills somewhat similar, but not identical, to many things recommended as personality traits for the RP man. Amused mastery, a degree of DGIF (NEEDING the job only works, when it does at all, for the lowest pay grade). Abundance mentality is a hu…
/r/TheRedPill11/03/15 08:51 PM
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A light-hearted example from this morning. Threw a plate on the bed before she left, and she complained about my morning beard roughness. I just said (pleasantly/wryly) "you'll just have to deal with it, 'cuz that's the way I am." She laughed and play ensued.
/r/TheRedPill11/03/15 08:27 PM
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And further: You don't need to be friends. In fact, this comes up occasionally in conversation: wanting to be friends before sex. I always point out how that doesn't actually work. I ask them - when they've had great sex with a new partner, wasn't it somebody you barely knew? Only the most delusional think not (and you can tell they are the starry-eyed husband-hunting types). I've been pleasantly surprised by the number of times this has gotten agreement in conversation on a first date.
/r/TheRedPill11/03/15 08:23 PM
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Yeah, I dated a 43 year old radical feminist. Also major BDSM lover as a sub. To men. Gotta blow off the tension of being so far from her nature.
/r/TheRedPill11/03/15 08:03 PM
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The problem is, it isn't a "tendency". That is euphemistically soft-pedaling it. It is a biological imperative, and because you have "sapiens" in your species name, you can be aware of it. I think the variance is in how easily and willingly any particular woman acts it out. For some, its a mainstay of their way of living, but most try to moderate it. I don't think any one person is always going to be fully satisfying for most of one's (normal length) life. You're going to make compromises, and t…
/r/TheRedPill10/03/15 02:38 AM
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Really? I've always found that a bit easier, but we must approach this differently.
/r/TheRedPill09/03/15 08:24 PM
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