Who is responsible for the subjugation of women? Or, what caused the subjugation of women? Discuss.

vaelin23 · 2014-05-29T17:37:11+00:00

Why does gender even exist in the first place? Because biology crafted us roles because that was better at ensuring our survival as a species. Life isn't so tough anymore so we can move away from those roles and give everybody equal opportunity. But there was no conspiracy against women, men simply handled affairs in the outside world because that's what they were good at. Women were good at raising children, organizing social relationships and bonding the group together. Cave women didn't want equal rights to fight and defend the tribe. When times were tough and survival paramount, that's where gender roles functioned well. That doesn't mean it should be that way today though.

BlindPelican · 2014-05-29T17:09:24+00:00

"Subjugation" is a rather inflammatory term. Can you cite specific examples?

I'll try to fill in some blanks here in the meantime...

Anti-abortion legislation - this is clearly a conservative based opposition.

Objectification, slut-shaming, and over-sexualization - society at large. Both men and women propagate this (and, I will dare to say, it's mostly women competing with other women driving this).

Street harassment - assholes. And, not a small amount of hysteria as well that overblows mildly inappropriate behavior, or even completely innocent behavior, into full-fledged rape threats.

Third world women's issues - backwards societies that never had an Enlightenment period to drive social norms.

2014-05-29T18:30:11+00:00

Biology is the most oppressive force. It oppresses both Genders. Then again with out this oppression our race would have gone extinct a millenia ago.

ZimbaZumba · 2014-05-29T16:54:15+00:00

Disputable and ill defined premise for a discussion.

dejour · 2014-05-29T17:04:43+00:00

I will assume that you are saying "What caused women to be treated as somewhat child-like?"

I would say both men and women caused that through mating choices. Women tended to choose older, stronger, more dominant men. Men tended to choose younger, kinder women. As well as some biological realities (eg. men tending to be larger and stronger, women tending to be pregnant or nursing)

Hungerwolf · 2014-05-29T17:05:57+00:00

It is doubtful that there has been subjugation of women- Since the dawn of time, it has been a trade between males and females. Males did the dangerous shit and often died, and females did the less dangerous shit and were less likely to die. This was important because females are the limiting factor in reproduction. There is some evidence that had we started egalitarian, we may have died out due to a lesser ability to procreate and increase our numbers and therefore odds of survival.

That said, with the exception of some middle-eastern societies which are more oppressive of women than men, that trade has always been an option for women. Women could choose to take on the "masculine" role of dangerous work. Men, however, were rarely able to take the "feminine" role of housework.

Nomenimion · 2014-05-29T17:06:50+00:00

Substitute 'men' for 'women.' Then we'll be talking about something.

SarcastiCock · 2014-05-29T18:37:28+00:00

Babies subjugate women, they are the Patriarchy.

MRSPArchiver · 2014-05-29T16:48:57+00:00

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thonkerl · 2014-05-29T19:31:00+00:00

I'm not interested in talking about the past.

ChrisECole · 2014-05-29T16:56:05+00:00

Indecisive women and too good-natured men. It traces back to when it was dangerous to go outside. Women stood slack-jawed in confrontation with beasts and men had to either kill the beasts or throw the women over the shoulders and haul them away. It's still like that today, but with different things like politics. They get some kind of fear paralysis. If men had thought, from the beginning, I'm sure she'll do something then we'd all be dead.

Title	Who is responsible for the subjugation of women? Or, what caused the subjugation of women? Discuss.
Author	Josefio
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Comments	27
Date	May 29, 2014 4:48 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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