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Janice Fiamengo Gets Silenced by Feminists

JohnNashoba

April 20, 2014

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Title	Janice Fiamengo Gets Silenced by Feminists
Author	JohnNashoba
Upvotes	119
Comments	50
Date	April 20, 2014 5:51 PM UTC (12 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/23ivv2/janice_fiamengo_gets_silenced_by_feminists/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/janice-fiamengo-gets-silenced-by-feminists.1001503 https://theredarchive.com/post/1001503

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Welcome! It's always good to have new members :)

We do indeed level many criticisms against Feminism for their actions (they always seem to bang tables and pull alarms "in the name of safety", but safety for whom?), and their detrimental effects on boys and men, but it is good to note that such criticism is not our sole focus! It's just an unfortunate reality that these things should happen so frequently, and be so widely reported upon.

To that end, the sidebar has an excellent overview of the subreddit's positions, but you're more than encouraged to engage individuals on their beliefs. Especially if you don't like those opinions! The only way for someone to truly know what they believe in is to have their beliefs criticized and scrutinized by an outside observer. So we have a group of mods who are pretty hands-off, who only step in to delete spammers and consistent, obvious trolls.

Well, hope you enjoy posting and commenting! Have an excellent Easter Weekend :)

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[–]memetherapy 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

The existence of extremism does not mandate all ideologies being defined by their extremes.

Definitely. But when the revered leaders are the extremists and the so-called moderates have no say, well, it looks like an ideology will be defined by its extremists. Most feminists who take facts that go against the mainstream feminist agenda of women as victims of a male dominated world become ex/anti-feminists... the only self-proclaimed feminist who acknowledges there is no "wage gap", "patriarchy" or "rape culture" is Christina Hoff Sommers... and I'm pretty sure she just calls herself a feminist to spite feminists.

Janice Fiamengo does, and I don't support her views on feminism any more than her views on minorities.

Well... I clarified why I agreed feminism should be defined by its mainstream, which happens to be extremist in nature. But, out of curiosity, what are her views on minorities that you disagree with? I'm asking because I've only seen one of her lectures and I really can't recall much about minority issues being tackled.

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[–]memetherapy 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

I tend to also edit my comments right after I post them. I know the feels of an unfortunately hasty reply.

So... I'll go back.

I don't think feminism should be demolished just because some feminists don't support men's rights, and I don't think muslims shouldn't have heritage festivals just because islamic terrorism exists.

Agreed... but if no feminist is allowed promoting men's rights without fear of being disowned by the members of the movement, what good is there left associated with that label aside from its historic significance which I don't think should ever be forgotten?

Not sure about the analogy with Islam though... as I made clear, I'm unaware of Janice's views and, to me, it seems like religions and political movements have much in common, but also too many important differences to really use as analogies... (depends on context though)

(And regarding wage gaps, patriarchy, and rape culture, all of those things can be considered to exist or not exist depending on how you're defining them.)

Well the wage gap doesn't exist in terms of systematic underpaying of women. It only exists when ignoring differences in hours worked, leaves of absence and actual jobs titles! So, basically, in terms of fairness or equal opportunity!

The Patriarchy is just as useless of a power construct as a Tallarchy or wtv... no Patriarchy exists where most homeless are men, men have longer prison sentences for the same crime, women have the vast majority of the spending power, men die younger, men go to war and women beat men in higher education in almost every field... and this list can go on... money correlates with power... anything else is a dubious construct.

Rape culture exists if by rape culture you mean a culture in which rape exists. Not sure how this would be a feminist issue, since men and women rape and get raped. Not sure why we'd call our culture a rape culture if almost everyone believes rape is the worst possible thing aside from straight up murder. If it's based on the existence of the crime... well, I guess we're a murder culture... a terrorist culture... a animal mutilating culture... a tying your shoe laces culture... FEEL FREE TO ADD TO MY INVENTORY!

Regarding her views on minorities, she's primarily opposed to muslims, but she has roughly the same opinion on all group rights or privileges designed to compensate for perceived inequality. She very frequently writes in right wing blogs, you can find her stances fairly easily if you search for them and exclude feminism as a term.

So, against affirmative action I take it?

[–]DoesNotTalkMuch -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago* (11 children) | Copy Link

I'm not going to defend feminism here, because this is a men's rights forum and defending feminism is not what it's for, but I WILL say that you're misunderstanding the concepts of rape culture and patriarchy from pretty much anywhere I've seen the terms used.

If you're genuinely interested in that discussion, you should hit up r/askfeminists, but rather than asking questions look at the ones that were already asked about it. There are also comments on what self-declared feminists think of this event, which are significantly milder than what this subreddit considers "feminism" to be. (although they are certainly not kind to the men's rights movement, despite having tolerance for men's support groups)

So, against affirmative action I take it?

Affirmative action and hate crime legislation and welfare and abortion and Obama, (because he's a communist)

She works in Canadian academia, so she generally focuses on that (which, due to the political climate, is limited to "including the controversy in discussion")

Where that discussion is allowed, she pushes her views further to the right, towing the line very well with the tea party crowd.Generally she advocates including those views in discussion, but her articles in American right-wing blogs are a bit more extreme.

Which is why, despite the cartoonish level of hostility she's receiving, I'm not especially scornful of the behavior of the students. I do feel sorry for her though.

edit: You can see some of her articles here. Like I said she's got no ideas for supporting men except for dismantling feminism and liberalism. I think she's a terrible advocate for men's rights. However, I have a friend in Ottawa who, just a few minutes ago, had enough praise for her passion for canadian literature that I've put aside some time to attend one of her seminars when I take a trip there in a few weeks. That's not relevant to the discussion, but I'm glad that I'll actually have something to do there now.

http://pjmedia.com/blog/author/janicefiamengo/

http://www.americanthinker.com/janice_fiamengo/

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I see what you mean:

One colleague suggested — when I complained that not a single student had read the assigned novel on the day we were to begin discussing it — that I should show a film on a related subject for a change of pace. At a professional teaching workshop designed to re-ignite one’s teaching passion, I was told that group discussion need not be stymied by the fact that students came to class unprepared; a student who had done the assigned reading could explain the reading to the others in the group so that all could participate and benefit. The message was clear enough: being hip and cheerful and expecting little and demanding nothing were the keys to happy classroom encounters. And student happiness — not commitment to the subject — was unquestionably the goal.

Shameful Conservative!

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