Can we talk about men's issues without turning it into a debate about who has it worse? Jane Powell blogs. (Runs a suicide prevention site).

SporkTornado · 2014-03-06T18:50:29+00:00

feminism tells me we live in a patriarchy society that was built and run exclusively by men for the exclusive purpose of benefiting and empowering all men at the expense of all women. But when I look at men's issues like the fact the most suicide victims are men. I notice society does not have any fucks to give. and it's jot just suicide. When we are dealing with any problem men face, society typically ignores the problem. The only time society starts to give a damn about men's problems is when those problems spill over and start to affect women.

2014-03-06T19:01:44+00:00

It's hard to do so when we have people constantly reminding us that women have it worse anyway. For example, rape and domestic violence discussions.

seenloitering · 2014-03-06T21:29:44+00:00

"Not I would suggest because they're braver - but rather I believe because they feel they can't legitimately get help and still be a proper man."

I appreciate the interest, but I'm willing to bet that plenty of those men do not have traditional definitions of manhood holding them back from seeking help. The problem is more that there is no help to be sought after, however willing you may be to receive it.

EvilPundit · 2014-03-06T21:21:11+00:00

To me, the most interesting part is the comments section. All the first half dozen or so are supportive. I've never seen this on the HuffPo before!

petrichorrr · 2014-03-06T20:40:12+00:00

No. If we try, feminists will come in and derail.

We've seen this time and again. Start talking about circumcision, and the FGM crowd shows up to scream and shout. Start talking about family court, and feminists show up and start screaming about shit that has happened for decades.

It's just not possible. Even if we were willing, they wouldn't be.

HappyGerbil88 · 2014-03-06T23:53:37+00:00

MRAs aren't trying to turn it into a debate about who has it worse, MRAs are simply trying to assert that men have it bad enough that their issues need to be taken seriously and addressed, and that dismissing every single men's issue as insignificant or a side effect of "male privilege" is wrong. And feminists are disagreeing with that, hence the debate.

PierceHarlan · 2014-03-07T13:07:07+00:00

"After over 10 years of working to prevent male suicide it has become crystal clear to me that there is immense discomfort around discussing the needs of men as a gender."

TheWheatOne · 2014-03-06T23:56:25+00:00

Great blog. Its nice to see something like that in Huffington.

tallwheel · 2014-03-07T01:21:48+00:00

This is the way forward for the mainstream (people who are neither MRA's or feminists). If we could just get over this hurdle so many important conversations would finally begin. Seeing this article on Huffpo gives me reserved hope.

Throwcrastinator · 2014-03-07T03:09:46+00:00

This is an amazing article

jdtroughton · 2014-03-06T22:06:03+00:00

That's a reaction by MRAs/etc. to the disqualification of their issues by "women have it worse!", which I agree we need a better response to than anything in the vein of "nuh uh!".

under_score16 · 2014-03-07T05:08:26+00:00

This is the thing about Feminism that irks me. The movement itself only deals with female issues. I think some of what they do has been commendable in some respect, but they just simply don't seem to care when its men who are disadvantaged.

As most here already know, men are disadvantaged in the education system, the legal system, and are disproportionately victims of suicide and violent crime. Where's the outrage? Society views men in pretty messed up ways, the example I always come back to is Sharon Osbourne on "The Talk". How in the actual f*** is that acceptable, when the reverse would never ever happen? Where was the outrage there? You could hear crickets chirping.

So fine, they don't want to deal with men's issues. Then why do they insist on DOMINATING the discourse about gender issues? Why is nobody allowed to talk about male issues without being labeled as hateful or as a creep? It's a bizarre dynamic, I wonder if it will ever change.

Title	Can we talk about men's issues without turning it into a debate about who has it worse? Jane Powell blogs. (Runs a suicide prevention site).
Author	josnton
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Date	March 6, 2014 6:16 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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