"Men —with their eyes, mouths, hands, and more—apparently can’t help but get their “sexual energy slime” all over us." Another nonsensical rant from a feminist.

rogerwatersbitch · 2014-01-16T03:22:06+00:00

"sexual energy slime"

Yep, this girl has issues.

YetAnotherCommenter · 2014-01-16T02:31:22+00:00

"Men —with their eyes, mouths, hands, and more—apparently can’t help but get their “sexual energy slime” all over us."

This reminds me of Andrea Dworkin's Intercourse where she goes on constantly and unceasingly about how terrible it is to have anatomy contoured for violation... it really makes you think she's got a HUGE amount of repressed sexual urges she's being neurotic over.

As it is with that radical feminist book "Fraternity Gang Rape," in which it is argued girls only get gang raped at frats because the guys want to fuck each other. It sounds like the authors sexual fantasies really.

Such is the case with this little sentence. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if the author feels guilty over having Bukkake fantasies.

Snark aside, let's look at her actual argument.

She starts with a reasonable premise - the traditional gender system casts men in the role of actors and agents, and women in the role of objects. Men are thus seen as the subjects of desire (the desirers), women are seen as objects of desire (the desirees).

This, I agree with.

Her mistake, however, is automatically imputing a power differential into this - she assumes that the subject inherently has power over the object, that to 'desire' something is to disempower the object of desire or revoke its agency.

This is ridiculous. Being the object of desire is a position which grants women huge power - the power to enlist male agency by proxy (via "do X for me and I'll give you sexual access!" etc).

That said, for a male, things aren't the same because males do not experience the power of agency-enlistment. Men, even gay ones, are expected to develop and employ their own agency. Maybe in a more "spiritually heteronormative" gay context there may be some aspect of this, but in general I don't think its nearly as prominent.

So perhaps, perhaps there is an element of truth here. A male being the object of desire is treated as a woman but without the benefits thereof. In theory.

However if male homophobia is really an aversion to being the object of desire, how do you explain that many men have fantasies of women being the initiators/pursuers? Look at the "Cat Fight" trope, where two girls fight over a man - that's an extremely gender-transgressive fantasy since it places men in the position of object-of-desire and women as agents fighting each other for him. Plus, didn't a recent study show that about 52% of men had fantasies where women pursued them rather than the other way around? Also, look at the whole "metrosexual" phenomenon... as Mark Simpson (who coined the term) argued, metrosexuality is really about desiring to be desired. Men WANT to be the object of desire and will groom themselves accordingly these days.

The homophobic man doesn't fear being desired... by women.

Ergo, her theory simply doesn't match reality. Homophobia isn't just about maintaining the subject/object dichotomy. Yet again, we have a feminist arguing that homophobia is really just about hating women... throwing queer men under the bus in the service of feminism.

Wawoowoo · 2014-01-16T01:58:40+00:00

Metaphorically, this is a predator/prey type relationship.

Failed biology, did she?

Rikevo · 2014-01-16T04:20:00+00:00

Why do feminist have such explicit sexual interpretations....it's almost as bad as that radical feminist blog that constantly talked about rape and how all PIV sex is rape....seriously what's with the obsession about sex.

lillojohn · 2014-01-16T09:06:14+00:00

And she knows that it is shocking to a man. Because she has experience it. So this is true. /s

2014-01-16T14:57:34+00:00

Men want, women want to be wanted.

I think you'll find most men would dearly love to be wanted too.

SporkTornado · 2014-01-16T02:51:58+00:00

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niggelprease · 2014-01-16T11:55:46+00:00

Shaming male sexuality? I'm shocked!

BeerBouncer · 2014-01-16T13:52:15+00:00

come to expect trash articles like this on Slate

2014-01-16T07:19:15+00:00

Feminists really are demented people.

5th_Law_of_Robotics · 2014-01-16T14:55:31+00:00

But there's no such thing as an anti-sex feminist. Remember that, they said so.

unexpecteditem · 2014-01-16T11:08:34+00:00

Fifty shades of fempocrisy.

Nomenimion · 2014-01-16T14:36:56+00:00

Heterosexuality in the U.S. is gendered: women are expected to attract, men are supposed to be attracted. Men want, women want to be wanted. Metaphorically, this is a predator/prey type relationship.

Does this imbecile even know what 'metaphorically' means? Continuing to read...

Nomenimion · 2014-01-16T14:42:11+00:00

Done. What childish idiocy.

Let's address two of the lies contained in this piece. The first lie is that normal women feel victimized when men feel attracted to them. Nonsense; attractive women enjoy being attractive. Studies show that good-looking people are happier. It's simply a fact. The author is PRETENDING that she knows what it's like to have men be attracted to her, and that she doesn't like it.

The other is the claim that homophobia is when men feel the eyes of other men roaming over them. This is also nonsense, and an insult to those who have been the targets of homophobes. Homophobia is primarily the fear of being attracted to other men, not the reverse.

PIBagent · 2014-01-17T02:37:09+00:00

"Lisa Wade is a professor of sociology at Occidental College. You can follow her on Twitter, Facebook, or at her blog, Sociological Images."

"professor of sociology at Occidental College"

"Occidental College"

Isn't that the college that attempted to make that anonymous online rape reporting tool? If so we may have found the person responsible for pushing for this in the first place.

Azrael-sama · 2014-01-16T16:03:34+00:00

So what’s homophobia? Sometimes I think it’s the moment that men feel what it’s like to be prey. See, women are used to it... But when it happens to men for the first time, I bet it’s shocking as all hell. It’s like they’ve been treated like a human being their whole life and then, POW, they’re a piece of ass and nothing more.

I don't even know where to begin to explain what is wrong with this statement. Apparently, the only form of objectification that exists in this world is sexual objectification...

Title	"Men —with their eyes, mouths, hands, and more—apparently can’t help but get their “sexual energy slime” all over us." Another nonsensical rant from a feminist.
Author	Modron
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Date	January 16, 2014 1:43 AM UTC (12 years ago)
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