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"In 1940, 86 percent of black children were born inside marriage... Today, only 35 percent of black children are born inside marriage. It began in the 1960s with the War on Poverty and the harebrained ideas of the welfare state." -Black economist Walter Williams

neilmcc

August 19, 2012

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http://econfaculty.gmu.edu/wew/articles/09/PoliticsAndBlacks.htm

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Title	"In 1940, 86 percent of black children were born inside marriage... Today, only 35 percent of black children are born inside marriage. It began in the 1960s with the War on Poverty and the harebrained ideas of the welfare state." -Black economist Walter Williams
Author	neilmcc
Upvotes	24
Comments	60
Date	August 19, 2012 8:59 PM UTC (13 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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The economic pseudo-theory is that it provides an "incentive" toward [insert whatever social ill the conservative is having a hissy fit about at the time]. Divorce, illegitimate children, unemployment, immigration, having "too many" children, crime. The economic orthodoxy hired by the wealthy in order to propagandize on the their behalf has been invoking this same talking point for centuries; they make it sound very good with all the practice they've got with it.

This ignores the irrationality (in the economic sense) of human reasoning. Real psychology is not so easily quantifiable. Some women are victims of domestic abuse, some are just crazy, some get bored with their husbands/fiancees, some desire alpha males and simply have extramarital sex, some women are abandoned by their significant other, and, yes, some actually do believe they will get tons of money from a combination of welfare and child support.

EDIT: A commenter on r/politics mentioned a key complicating factor in Uncle Williams' analysis: incarceration rates for black men (and Americans in general) are through the roof. Kinda hard to marry or stay married to a man in prison.

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You're right in that children from fatherless (or, if you want to be intellectually honest, single-parent) homes are disadvantaged in all the ways you list. But those statistics are not controlled for complicating social issues issues: lack of family and neighborhood cohesion, racism, household income, and the "code of the streets" that attracts many young black boys toward gangs and criminal activity. It is obvious to me you've got causality backwards: the "destruction of the family unit" is not causing crime, poverty, suicide, etc., but out-of control incarceration due to the private prison industry's lobbying, the failed drug war, lack of economic opportunity for blacks, the lingering effects of past racism (slavery, wages & hiring, redlining, etc) & racism today are causing poor families (disproportionately black) to fall apart.

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And if the article had not separated "Negro" families from white families in its analysis, I may have allowed the submission to stand. It didn't, because that's not the focus of the article. Its focus is on comparisons between white and black cultures insofar as welfare is concerned.

I'd also like to add a warning, and this isn't up for discussion. I've had to remove several race-based submissions in the last few days. This marks a spike for us. Additionally, despite the submissions being removed, a steady flow of new commentors are appearing. This means that a) someone is pushing an agenda in this subreddit, and b) they're linking those submissions elsewhere. If I find out who's doing that, I'll be banning them immediately, with no possibility of reversal. I'm in discussion with the other mods to update the moderation guidelines so we're crystal clear on what's permitted.

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