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Abortion not just a women's issue. GF wants to terminate the pregnancy. " I really want to be a dad." "Do I have a vote here?"

TerriChris

June 5, 2012

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Title	Abortion not just a women's issue. GF wants to terminate the pregnancy. " I really want to be a dad." "Do I have a vote here?"
Author	TerriChris
Upvotes	4
Comments	29
Date	June 5, 2012 12:52 PM UTC (14 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/ulzrm/abortion_not_just_a_womens_issue_gf_wants_to/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/abortion-not-just-a-womens-issue-gf-wants-to.1020416 https://theredarchive.com/post/1020416

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[–]TheSacredParsnip 4 points5 points6 points 14 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

[–]hardwarequestions 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

[–]TheSacredParsnip 3 points4 points5 points 14 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

It's not fair because it can be dangerous to the woman's health carrying the fetus. It's unfair to tell a man that she's getting an abortion against his will. But, the danger to the woman outweighs the hurt feelings of the man in my opinion.

Since we can avoid or undo the natural result of sex I really don't like using that argument. I keep hearing it from pro-lifers when it comes to abortion and feminists when it comes to financial abortion. I just don't think it has a place in these discussions anymore.

The man theoretically has the same options that a woman has in a financial abortion scenario, to adopt or to wait for someone who's ready to have a child with him. I would be shocked if single men were really able to adopt though. So, that's the area that I think we should focus on in these situations.

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[–]hardwarequestions 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Says who?

medical science...

cancer occurs when an otherwise healthy cell undergoes mutation due to external forces corrupting the DNA. that cell begins to replicate, along with the damaged DNA chains. the resulting mass of cells form tumors and impede other healthy functions of the body.

There is no such thing as "meant to happen" in nature. Nature simply happens.

your heart is not meant to beat unimpeded? your liver is not meant to filter out toxins?

Cancer is a result of mutation, that drives all of evolution, including the creation of our species. If there was no gene mutation, none of us would be here. True, the vast majority of mutations are harmful and some do result in cancer, but this entire process of mutation is what got us here in the first place.

a mutation born of alterations of a species through natural selection is evolution. a mutation born of some external corrupting force, such as raditiation, is not that, and results in destructive ends.

I don't care what label you slap on it, personally. Can we agree on an "unwanted biological process that has a known cure"?

fair enough. i don't mean to nitpick and argue semantics, honestly. i'm a bit mixed on the issue myself to be frank.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

cancer occurs when an otherwise healthy cell undergoes mutation due to external forces corrupting the DNA

That's way too simplistic. There have been plenty of genes already identified that are strongly correlated with cancer like BRCA1, BRCA2, RAD51D and many others (that I'm too lazy to look up now). And as we continue research, more are sure to be found in the near future.

your heart is not meant to beat unimpeded? your liver is not meant to filter out toxins?

My heart and my liver evolved through natural selection and either are far from perfect. They were not "meant" to do anything in a sense of being designed. My heart and my liver are a result of the same evolution that also brought us BRCA1.

a mutation born of alterations of a species through natural selection is evolution. a mutation born of some external corrupting force, such as raditiation, is not that, and results in destructive ends

Natural selection is external forces. Whether "corrupting" or not, is not up to me or you to decide. Most of random mutation results in harmful (to the organism) effect, too.

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