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Number of Jewish Intactivist Organizations are rising

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August 20, 2011

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http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/08/19/circumcision-mutilation-or-an-act-of-love/

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Title	Number of Jewish Intactivist Organizations are rising
Author	[deleted]
Upvotes	40
Comments	45
Date	August 20, 2011 12:38 AM UTC (14 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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Read: "Circumcision: The Hidden Trauma" to gain some insight into the procedure and its effects on psychological development. For example, cortisol levels in babies that underwent the procedure spiked and NEVER RETURNED TO NORMAL LEVELS... NEVER. In one study, the doctors decided to end the research in order to prevent "inflicting such severe pain" to any more children. Who cares if you can't remember it... WHY HURT A BABY AT ALL if you can help it!!!!

After actually understanding and accepting what was done to me, I have suffered severe mental trauma myself: depression, demotivation, frightening night terrors, and much more. The subconcious doesn't forget these things... whether you believe so or not.

It makes me sick... if simply TOUCHING a boy's genitals is considered sexual assault, why is cutting part off ok?

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Do you dream about having your dick in an apple peeler, immense pain, and blood spraying everywhere? Do you wake up and then realize that, at one point in your life... this ACTUALY happened to you?!? Do you feel that part of your body was stolen from you and you had no say? Do you feel sexually violated? Why is it ok to downplay the psychological effects of male genital mutilation, but not rape?

It's DEFINITELY true that it's less sensitive. The glans of the circumcised penis is dry and cracked, almost calloused. The penis and inner mucosa is meant to be wet and supple, like your inner lip. The frenulum (which I have barely any of) is the most sensitive part of the male body. I only have a sliver of it, as the rest was sliced off, and this small area (about 10 percent of what it should be) is the most sensitive part of my body. The area where the frenulum should be is numb and desensitized.

Don't downplay circumcision. Look at your uncut dick and think: which part of this would I be WILLING to lose? Then ask yourself how those of us who had no say in the choice might feel when we look down and see up to 50 percent of the skin and erogeneous tissue--as many as 20 thousand nerve endings--missing from our bodies. Guys who say they don't care are fucking kidding themselves... who would honestly subject themselves to this--cutting off part of his penis? It's a tragedy that society does this to children.

I've started foreskin restoration to restore the protective coverage of the foreskin and some of its functionality, and can say that sensitivity improves massively if you keep the glans covered for extended periods of time. I can't wait to have full coverage (like I did for a day 25 years ago...).

[–]abk0100 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Um, sorry, I wasn't trying to downplay anything, just making an irrelevant observation. It's good to know that the next time someone tries that "Me and my friends don't care. show me a person that got circumcised and has a problem with it," thing I can just point them your way.

Don't downplay circumcision. Look at your uncut dick and think: which part of this would I be WILLING to lose?

It's interesting that you say that. When I had sex-ed in public school, they covered circumcision. They kept talking about this "little piece of skin" that gets cut off, and kept saying that it's "no big deal," and that it's just a little quick procedure they do, to the point where I thought to myself "that must mean I'm circumcised, because there's nothing like what they're describing that exists on my body. There's nothing they could have removed that wouldn't have been a serious surgical operation, with noticeable effects." I didn't even realize that I was(n't) circumcised for a while, all because the teachers and parents needed to make such an effort to delude themselves into thinking they're perfect as they are. In the short term, I guess you could say that they're saving people some grief, but it isn't even close to worth the cost.

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seriously, its a tiny flap of skin that doesn't have any purpose, it doesn't matter.

As an intact guy, I can assure you that Foreskin is not a "flap of skin". It is a thin piece of meat and skin, Foretissue may have been a more appropriate name. During sexual arousal, it's not just the penis glans that responds but the foreskin as well.

Also to note:

“The complex innervation of the foreskin and frenulum has been well documented, and the genitally intact male has thousands of fine touch receptors and other highly erogenous nerve endings—many of which are lost to circumcision.” http://www.cirp.org/library/psych/boyle6/

“Ridged bands. The inner foreskin contains bands of densely innervated, sexually responsive tissue. They constitute a primary erogenous zone of the human penis and are important for realizing the fullness and intensity of sexual response......In addition to the "ridged bands" mentioned above, thousands of coiled fine-touch receptors (Meissner’s corpuscles) constitute the most important sensory component of the penis. The foreskin contains branches of the dorsal nerve and between 10,000 and 20,000 specialized erotogenic nerve endings of several types, which are capable of sensing slight motion and stretch, subtle changes in temperature, and fine gradations in texture.” http://www.noharmm.org/advantage.htm

“The foreskin contains 20,000–70,000 erogenous nerve endings, the majority of which are concentrated in the ridged band, which encircles the inner opening of the foreskin. When the penis is flaccid, the nerve endings are protected but, when erect, they are exposed. Circumcision removes about three-fourths of the nerve endings in the penis, leaving the circumcised penis severely disabled by comparison......Without the foreskin’s protection, the glans becomes keratinized (calloused). The free nerve endings in the glans become buried in layers of callused skin.” http://www.opposingviews.com/arguments/the-foreskin-has-crucial-functions

it doesn't really matter as long as there is a womens lips around it

In my experience, the foreskin is superior in feeling the touch and warmth of a woman's tongue and lips than the penis glans.

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female genital mutilation is a much more physically intrusive matter than circumcision

This is just not true. The most extreme forms of female genital mutilation are more severe than most male circumcisions, yes, but those aren't the most common forms of FGM.

Removing the prepuce (clitoral hood) would be considered FGM by any standard. This is analogous to removing the foreskin.

but its wrong for any government to ban the religious practice of a culture.

Really? So you're fine with honor killing and corrective rape?

Even if you are (and I find it hard to believe that you are), the rest of the civilized world disagrees-- FGM is condemned in all developed countries and by the UN, among others. It is illegal in the US to electively cut female genitals for any reason. MGM is a "parental choice." What gives you the right to choose that for your baby?

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