I feel threatened by this action. My comments are usually hugely unpopular in /equality and I feel outnumbered by feminists (not equalists.) I didn't agree with every comment bsc made, but at least I felt a little less outnumbered. Do MRAs want to enter a subreddit with called hits?

svonnah · 2009-04-30T00:19:48+00:00

I subscribed to both MensRights and Equality. I'm female. In my opinion, lately MensRights became about bashing women, not the rights of men. I love my fiance dearly; he's my best friend and the most important person in the world to me, and so I joined both subreddits from a logical and emotional perspective. I don't want any of the men I love in my life to be damaged by radical feminism, which is why I tried to expand my understanding of men's issues. Since then I've been enlightened to the unfairness of some pro-women or anti-man agendas, and I think it has improved the relationship between my fiance and I.

This has also taught me about my own programming about men that originated from my mother, who has issues with her father, who was not very kind to her when she was a child.

I just wanted to say that I appreciate the efforts made on both sides to create equality for both genders. Please don't get discouraged or fall into the habit of condemning one gender or the other. Your discussions have really helped at least this one female.

kanuk876 · 2009-04-29T20:32:57+00:00

Hey y'all.

I gave up on /men and /equality a while ago. I'll tell you why:

Western culture suppresses, nay it depends on suppression of men's perspective.

Our de-programming efforts are fragile. It's hard enough without the drum-beat of female superiority picking away at every faltering step we make.

We men have not articulated our position enough to participate as equals in /equality. Furthermore, virtually everyone coming from a contemporary-western or feminist perspective is already trained to deny the very existence of men's issues. How can you argue your position with people who categorically deny that it is possible for you to even have a position, let alone the validity of any position you may or may not have. EG: Men cannot be discriminated against because, as members of the privileged oppressor class, it is simply impossible to suffer in anywhere near the terms of the oppressed class.

So... while I am happy you guys are making attempts at finding common ground with people in /equality, I won't be helping because I think it's a waste of time. I believe our energy is better spent learning what it means to be men, and focusing on ourselves for a change.

I mean, a big part of our problem is our over-emphasis on women. I think it's constructive for us to turn our attention to men for a while. Once we have a better idea of ourselves, then we can enter into intelligent debate with women, equalists, feminsts, and so forth.

lynn · 2009-04-30T03:56:46+00:00

Am I the only person on reddit who passes over stuff she doesn't want to see in favor of stuff she does?

catlebrity · 2009-04-29T20:38:22+00:00

So says the guy who once banned me here, and who took down the whole Equality subreddit after getting into an argument with Saydrah.

BestServedCold · 2009-04-29T19:35:09+00:00

I can't even defend myself in "Equality" because I can't post there.

I plead guilty to most of the accusations made against me. I abandoned civility, lost my composure and used insults rather than debating. I was crass, rude, and insulting.

I have been accused of being a troll. Perhaps other people have other definitions of what a troll is but mine basically comes down to "A troll is there to cause trouble". That was never my intention and I take objection to being called that. I ACTED like a troll. That does not make me a troll. And it would have taken about 90 seconds to ascertain that I wasn't always acting like a troll. I also wasn't the first person to throw an insult although I admit I overreacted to one or two with a hundred.

Equality supposedly has three male and three female moderators. This is to create an illusion of fairness. However, I do not even know which of the three are male and which are female. The male moderators certainly seldom post to Equality and NEVER post to MensRights. After I got banned (temporarily) by Saydrah, I went and looked at who the moderators were exactly. I only recognized Saydrah. In fairness, I was fairly new there so maybe the male contributors are there more than I personally noticed. Personally, if the moderators were pn6, kanuk876, cresur, PierceHarlan or AnnArchist, I'd feel a lot more comfortable. I do not even know who is truly male and female. A few weeks ago, when I was a lot more naive, I wouldn't have even cared as much.

I WAS banned because one user, gingerroot, demanded it. She said "he goes or I go". I was almost INSTANTLY (10 minutes or so I'd guess) temporarily banned which prevented me from even being able to see what was going on or defend myself in the court of public opinion. It also looked to me like Saydrah or someone tried to hide the fact that it was gingerroot who had made the request. I could easily be wrong here but that is what it looked like to me. Gingerroot linked to a comment I made that was NOT in Equality to get me banned FROM Equality. That comment had to do with what I would for revenge if a woman ever Bobbitized me. Emmster has since LIED and said that I threatened a user with the same fate and said I wouldn't let that comment go. I can assure you that it was the outraged feminists who would not let it go. I quickly regretted saying it, although I will unapologetically say AGAIN... a woman who cut off my penis would have her own genitals removed. And that was a SHOCKING AND UNACCEPTABLE thing to say. Too bad. It's the truth.

Somehow, these women think the word "cunt" has some special evil power. I think it would be interesting to psychologically analyze why exactly women think that word is so derogatory and why they somehow have the right to be shielded from it.

It IS true that Saydrah and I had an interaction where she essentially told me that I could be unbanned if I towed the line. She was polite and taken by itself and of its own merit, her request was reasonable.

But for what? To go back to the hostile climate of /Equality? Where anything that could be construed in any way to being opposed to the feminist agenda is quickly downvoted to -5 or worse, no matter how politely or civilly it's phrased.

I refuse to apologize for anything I said. I am my own worst enemy when it comes to calmly and rationally debating. I can be really good at times but I'm not taking on a feminist army and that is all Equality is. They know it. I know it. Any man who frequents there for a day or two will know it.

I am completely opposed to censorship of any kind and this thought policing literally turns my stomach. What this ban says to me is that one user's (Gingerroot) self-perceived right to not be offended is more important than an open discourse. Even before they banned me, they tried to silence me. On many issues, most of these women have no argument at all. They just feel the way they do, that's that, and that's the end of the debate.

I admit that I was a total asshole and completely out of line. So what? I also posed a hundred questions that never got answered. I went seeking debate and found thought police and a kangaroo court

I wont play ball.

Edit - Added some <3 for kanuk876

AnnArchist · 2009-04-29T18:44:03+00:00

Makes two of us. I've been trying to be as vocal as I can about this. Its impossible. There are no MRA mods. All feminists who claim to be for equality.

They ask for feedback but they also don't have any interest in listening to it.

tomek77 · 2009-04-29T21:11:22+00:00

We have so much work to do, to advance even the most basic of men's rights! Let's focus our efforts on what's most productive!

Forget the /equality subreddit, not because we don't support equality, but because it is a waste of our energy.

On a related note: any of you guys are still in college? How about preparing a small leaflet with basic facts about family law (I'd think this is our biggest issue?), distribute it on college campuses, and have a link to a small sebsite that summarizes everything we care about, and also provides a pdf version of the leaflet that people can print and pass on. Anyone has time for this?

xzxzzx · 2009-04-29T23:24:16+00:00

I hate these posts. Can you tag them like you do the wbb posts? Or wait, I know, just submit them to /equality.

xzxzzx · 2009-04-29T21:50:06+00:00

Between this and the askreddit mod, it seems that reddit's moderator's are getting out of control. The best thing about reddit (in my opinion) has been that it is community driven. Mods should cut out Ads and trolls (real ones) and have no bias. I've seen it on many other sites and it will be a shame if it happens here.

BestServedCold · 2009-04-29T22:47:27+00:00

Blah blah blah. I laugh at feminists and chauvinists alike.

2009-04-29T20:17:38+00:00

I've been there since the first week, and as I (in?)famously protested, it is feminisms2 by another name.

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