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the U.N declares war on mras

Colombian-mra

July 4, 2020
11 upvotes
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates

https://www.unwomen.org/-/media/headquarters/attachments/sections/library/publications/2020/discussion-paper-democratic-backsliding-and-the-backlash-against-womens-rights-en.pdf?la=en&vs=3604

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Title the U.N declares war on mras
Author

Colombian-mra

Upvotes 11
Comments 24
Date July 4, 2020 7:47 PM UTC
(6 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/hl9ffs/the_un_declares_war_on_mras/
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Comments

[–]Egalitarian2020 13 points14 points15 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Can you provide us with the anti-men's rights passages?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

https://www.unwomen.org/-/media/headquarters/attachments/sections/library/publications/2020/discussion-paper-democratic-backsliding-and-the-backlash-against-womens-rights-en.pdf?la=en&vs=3604

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page 11

[–]a-man-from-earthleft-wing male advocate 12 points13 points14 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I would say the title is misleading, because the "war" is targeted at organizations and movements that undermine women's rights. Men's rights groups are mentioned in passing, but simply grouped together with others. MRAs are not singled out. If anything it's more a war on tradcon lobbyists and politicians.

[–]PrincessofPatriarchy 11 points12 points13 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I don't see anything. Most of page 11 refers to the state vs women's groups:

During the last decades, research on the role of women’s movements in the advancement of women’s rights has devoted a central role to movement-state relations...In the current context of governments with an openly anti-gender equality position, which makes partnership between the state and women’s movement organizations difficult, this assumption of the benevolent state needs to be amended or at least reviewed

The only other group they mention is a vague reference to "anti-gender groups"

It pays no systematic attention to anti-gender movements and their claim for representation within policy processes concerning gender equality issues, and what such claims do to the relationship between the state and women’s movements.

Anti-gender groups are not men's rights groups. And they certainly don't do anything near declaring war on them. Meanwhile if you look at the specific examples they include, none of them refer to men's rights movements:

In Hungary, the gender equality machinery was dismantled soon after the governmental change. Prior to 2010, a small and relatively marginal yet operational Department for Gender Equality existed within the Ministry of Social and Labour Affairs. The new Government downsized the department and its portfolio to ‘policies affecting women’ and transferred it under the Deputy State Secretary of Family and Population Policy in the Ministry of Human Resources. Currently, the body concentrates primarily on the role of women as mothers within the family and their motherly responsibilities.

Since MRA's don't typically focus on undoing women's rights legislation and replacing it with traditional gender roles, they are not criticizing MRA's.

[–]LokisDawn 9 points10 points11 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

A variety of actors has emerged and strengthened, including religious groups and conserva- tive actors, right-wing populist and nationalist groups, men’s rights groups and anti-gender ideology movements

It's bundled in there (page 11), pretty clearly to discredit them.

[–]PrincessofPatriarchy 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I found it on page 4

[–]a-man-from-earthleft-wing male advocate 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

page 4

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago* (14 children) | Copy Link

so supposedly, there is a growing backlash against women's rights, is the same nonsense, pro life activists are demonized as wanting to oppress women for wanting baby murder to be illegal people who oppose gender biased female-centric domestic violence laws and just want equality for male victims are being portraited as ''evil monsters who want to legalize violence against women'' they are demonizing father's organizations for ''committing the crime'' of wanting fathers to be treated fairly instead of being alienated from their children and exploited as bank accounts nationalist and religious groups are concerned about low birth rates as we all should, the west will collapse without a sustainable population growth, we have an aging population due to low birth rates and increasing life expectancy, this is unsustainable, the growing eldery population is welcomed but the deteriorating child population is scary, is really sad seeing mra allies siding with terfs.

​

text of U.N '' While gender equality has always been contested, opposition to gender equality and to women’s rights activism has become more vocal, global and better organized in recent years. A variety of actors has emerged and strengthened, including religious groups and conservative actors, right-wing populist and nationalist groups, men’s rights groups and anti-gender ideology movements''

​

war is war and is bad.

[–]a-man-from-earthleft-wing male advocate[M] 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago* (13 children) | Copy Link

pro life activists are demonized as wanting to oppress women for wanting baby murder to be illegal

You may be lost. As Left Wing Male Advocates we are pro-choice. You should adjust your language here, since this sounds like right wing propaganda.

text of U.N '' While gender equality has always been contested, opposition to gender equality and to women’s rights activism has become more vocal, global and better organized in recent years. A variety of actors has emerged and strengthened, including religious groups and conservative actors, right-wing populist and nationalist groups, men’s rights groups and anti-gender ideology movements''

I can't find this passage in the document. Can you pinpoint it for us?

Edit: I've found it now. It's actually on page 4 of the document (as the document itself numbers the pages).

[–]ParanoidAgnostic 10 points11 points12 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

You may be lost. As Left Wing Male Advocates we are pro-choice. You should adjust your language here, since this sounds like right wing propaganda.

Ideological conformity was once considered a hallmark of the right.

The left wing is characterised by certain general values, not specific dogmas.

It is very possible, just not popular, to be against abortion based on left wing principles. If you reject the idea that those not yet born don't count as people then protecting them, as incredibly vulnerable people, becomes perfectly left-wing.

Of course it is impossible to recognise this when the dogma is that the only reason one might be against abortion is a desire to control women.

[–]Aaod 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Of course it is impossible to recognise this when the dogma is that the only reason one might be against abortion is a desire to control women.

It is like Trump and the Title changes sure he likely did it for the wrong reason and I hate him, but hey take the victories where you can get them.

[–]a-man-from-earthleft-wing male advocate 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It is very possible, just not popular, to be against abortion based on left wing principles.

That is possible, but the parent commenter wasn't making such a case. Just throwing out "baby murder" is a typical right-wing tactic and an appeal to emotions. It may not be right-wing propaganda, but it certainly sounds like it.

If anyone would like to try to make a case against abortion based on left-wing values, they need to try much harder and avoid such cliches.

[–]yoshi_win 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I personally would rather you challenge ppl to defend their right wing views (I see "baby murder" as simply the expression of a view, not propaganda, and I'm pro choice) instead of putting on the fancy green mod hat and telling them to watch their language.

[+]Aaod1 points 6 years ago* [recovered] (8 children) | Copy Link

As Left Wing Male Advocates we are pro-choice. You should adjust your language here, since this sounds like right wing propaganda.

I am pro choice, but if it hurts feminists and causes them fits of anger who am I to look a gift horse in the mouth. Not gonna question an enemy also hurting someone who is just as much of an enemy.

[–]a-man-from-earthleft-wing male advocate 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That is not a helpful attitude, especially since we want to change perceptions and not have men's rights be seen as an exclusively right-wing movement.

[–]Aaod8 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Appealing to moderates doesn't work when they have zero empathy for men. We spent decades playing along and being nice what did that get us? Feminists fucking us over and moderates siding with them because people actually give a shit about women unlike men. We will not win by using the strategies feminists could use it will not work for us and has repeatedly failed to work for us so we need a better strategy and that is fighting feminists every step of the way no matter what it is because once feminism is dead and powerless it will no longer have a boot on our throat. They had their chances to help us and spit in our face while stabbing us in the back fuck them.

[–]StaysAwakeAllWeek 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

This is exactly the kind of rhetoric that produces bullshit like the OP. Please desist.

[+]Aaod1 points 6 years ago* [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

Sorry but if my enemy wants me culled to 10% of the population or makes it so I can't be legally raped I don't see why I should play nice. Tell them to stop that sort of nonsense first and I might go back to playing along until then? Fuck em war mentality it is.

[–]CraptainToad 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Most feminists don't support being men being culled to 10% of the population and men not being able to be raped is something held up by society as a whole.

[–]Aaod 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The 10% person was the person who started early college feminist programs in America and the rape thing was feminists influencing the F B fucking I to where men could not be legally raped. Lets see the NOW fought against dual custody. I have pointed our leaders and organizations now lets tackle individual feminists who post shit about man tears when the male suicide rate is multiple times womens or talk about nonsense like believe all women despite that idiot level of thinking got people lynched in the past. Feminism is a hate movement and its individual soldiers are just as guilty as the leaders and organizations. I could keep ranting and pointing out examples but spending my time arguing a NAFALT argument (not all feminists are like that) no true scotsman argument is a waste of time.

[–]VertuseAlet 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

IMO, the whole point of this subreddit is to avoid war mentality.

Gender rights is just one subset of human rights. Anti-male oppression in the western world is very small compared to the growing threat fascism.

This whole gender war mentality is just going to race us straight to fascism and with fascism, we're all fucked. Men will be dead and women will be sex slaves. There is no victory there.

[–]Aaod 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Tell that to the feminists not us they are the ones with the power who let themselves be coopted into the corporate machine and used that power to FUCK over men. They were literally able to influence the FBI to attack male sex victims for crying out loud. We were not the ones who started the war and are not the ones who keep continuing it we are merely defending ourselves from feminists who not only refuse to stop fighting us but refuse to apologize for the war crimes level of bad behavior. Attacking sex crime victims? disgusting.

As far as the point of this subreddit the point is it is left leaning that doesn't mean pro feminist in the slightest.

[–]IntactBroadSword 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

UN women strikes again. But there is no agenda tho

[–]ReagansRottingCorpse -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good on the UN.

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