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Boy scouts let Girls in, but not vice versa. "Girls are mixed area every day"

Norgelover5

October 18, 2021
116 upvotes
/r/MensRights

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Title Boy scouts let Girls in, but not vice versa. "Girls are mixed area every day"
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Norgelover5

Upvotes 116
Comments 17
Date October 18, 2021 8:49 PM UTC
(4 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/qavpmr/boy_scouts_let_girls_in_but_not_vice_versa_girls/
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Comments

[–]WeaknessTechnical654 19 points20 points21 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Tbh i don't care if boy scouts lets in girls. They are low on members first of all. Also, there are some activities that boy scouts does that girl scouts doesn't. The girls get put into a different patrol or troop than the boys, so it doesn't affect the boys at all. Who cares if they join. The problem is girl scouts doesn't let in boys. I think the best decision here is to get rid of boy and girl scouts and merge them into one.

[–]cheapshotfrenzy 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

And to be fair, they are separate entities. That's like getting mad at Target if Walmart started having unisex bathrooms. The best way to protest the Girl Scouts not letting in boys is to send your girls to the boy scouts.

I'm more annoyed at the people who got girls into the boy scouts, only to then form girl only troops.

[–]MadameDufarge 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They also have co-ed and boy-only troops.

[–]cuteymeow 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Former female boy scout here. The scoutmasters said the reason for separating the troops was for 'safety.' But I get what you're saying. It felt weird that we joined this troop, only to be separated?

[–]StudentOfTheTruth0 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No, merging them is not a good idea. They are very different programs. The boy scouts are focused on camping, tents, setting a fire, being in nature. The girls scouts are much more about business and home economics. They are also two separate private companies.

What is outrageous here is that while boys scouts allow girls in (in my opinion not because they want to but because they were forced to), the girls scouts don't allow boys in. Nobody forces them, of course.

Total discrimination based on gender. It is criminal by the laws (in the US, anyway), yet they get away it. No surprise, though, essentially everything feminists do is criminal after a while. What else is new. Just my view.

[–]karmaman12345 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Exactly, from what I’ve heard from girls I know who were in Girl Scouts, it’s just arts and crafts and preparation for cookie sales. Boy Scouts actually teaches life skills and outdoors skills. Not to mention Eagle Scout projects can benefit the community, so more potential Eagle Scouts means community service projects. And Eagle Scout looks great on a resume, so why deny people the ability to earn it.

[–]WeaknessTechnical654 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Very true.

[–]echo5oscar 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I am a a bit dusty on the history but I think this happens because even though the share similar names girl scouts and boy scouts of America are different company's with the girl scouts being a form of the girl guides and the boy scouts being a form of the scout association. There are links between the two company's with connections over a hundred years old, but they are still different company's.

[–]Bowlnk 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Isn't the girl scouts just a front to sell those overpriced cookies? uninformed european talking

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[–]Bowlnk 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So just like you make fun of the cookies,

I was more pointing out a for profit company essenstially using child labor to sell cookies

[–]TheRealJackulas 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah this is one that doesn't really bother me. I think the way it's headed is that the Boy Scouts of America (BSA) will eventually morph into simply Scouts of America and have both male and female troops. As a BSA scout dad who recently attended a jamboree with both male and female troops, I though thought it was perfect. Give all kids the same opportunities but don't mix the boys and girls when they're teenagers, because its just ... when it comes to camping and working together on team activities, it just seems to go so much more smoothly when you don't have all the complication of mixing the genders. It's why single-sex schools are becoming a big thing now.

We actually spoke to a lot of the girls who joined a BSA troop, and they indicated that the girl scouts was too much about baking cupcakes when they really wanted the types of experiences the Boy Scouts offers, and now that they can take advantage, they're loving it. So, who really cares if the Girl Scouts doesn't allow boys in? It feels like it's a dying institution anyway, because it represents a bygone era and doesn't really offer what the kids want.

[–]xx_DEADND_xx -5 points-4 points-3 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

“Girls are in a mixed gender space all of their lives,” Bartkowski said. “There are very few opportunities for girls to be in a single-gender space where they can rely on one another, build relationships with one another, be themselves, not have to compete for space, not have to show off in any kind of different way.”

Bartkowski said research shows that in schools, girls are less likely to raise their hands to answer questions in class if they don’t feel like they have the “perfect” answer. On the other hand, boys often just raise their hand and figure it out as they go. She said part of the Girl Scouts’ mission is to give girls that confidence to speak up.

“We want our girls to make mistakes and learn how to pick themselves up and go forward. We want them to find their voice and be able to speak their mind and speak their own truth. So those are all things that are done better in a girl only space,” Bartowski said.

i agree with many points raised here except the speak their own truth like truth differs from person to person or something

[–]Bojack35 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

While I can see and support the logic behind giving girls girl only spaces what I find daft is that the same benefits will apply (maybe to a different extent) to boy only spaces. When they say girls wont 'have to show off' does anyone think boys never 'show off' around girls?! Do boys spend less time in a 'mixed gender space'? Why then should boys spaces be 'opened up' to everyone while girls spaces need preserving?

There is a current media campaign in the UK about getting teen girls more into sports as a lot 'drop out' around that age. If they can get more girls into sport that's great. But again they take universal issues and present them as female only issues - they talk about body confidence issues like these only effect teen girls as if teen boys dont have the same issues.

As to your 'speak their truth' comment. This phrase has been used for a while now to turn personal anecdote into 'truth.' While I can see the idea - there are many scenarios where two different perspectives will have to different perceptions or 'truths' of the same event- it does strike me as part of the overall deconstruction of objective truth that is inflicting society.

[–]falante788 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

How can you agree with this. It’s complete lies and propaganda. The education system already greatly favors girls

[–]Bojack35 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

All I said was I agree that there are benefits to girl or boy only spaces - not at all times but alongside mixed groups. That wasn't a comment on gender bias overall within education.

[–]InterestingWave0 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Men and women are both in mixed gender spaces their entire lives. why is it important for women to have single-gender spaces but men are not allowed to anymore??? I am all for men and women both being allowed to have their own single-gender spaces and I do think it is important. But it seems like men are constantly being forced to compromise here and being forced to allow women while women's groups never face the same social pressure to allow men.

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